6th Man of St. John's Basketball
St. John's Red Storm => In The Jungle... => Topic started by: sjulaw1991 on December 08, 2014, 02:27:21 PM
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SJU # 24 in AP poll.
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SJU # 24 in AP poll.
Wake me in February.
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Been a long time. Glad to have a number in front of our name. Nice step forward.
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@GaryParrishCBS: Working on the Poll Attacks now. By the time I’m done, you’ll understand why the coaches are silly to not include St. John’s this week.
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This season has a potential to be fun and for us to grab some headlines with the pro teams sucking.
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Come on Fun. Lavin is still a mimbo and since WE ARE ST JOHN'S I am sure something bad will happen, but you have to be enjoying this start. First time since some point during Hardy year I am really looking forward to games again.
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Come on Fun. Lavin is still a mimbo and since WE ARE ST JOHN'S I am sure something bad will happen, but you have to be enjoying this start. First time since some point during Hardy year I am really looking forward to games again.
Trying to talk in third person? Marillac knew you'd come around.
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Would someone be kind enough to tell Marillac if the # he sees before St. John's is real or not. Marillac has seen a ranked team for weeks watching St. John's but has been berated post after post for being wrong. Apparently these rose-colored lenses have not allowed Marillac to see what the rest of you are seeing.
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Come on Fun. Lavin is still a mimbo and since WE ARE ST JOHN'S I am sure something bad will happen, but you have to be enjoying this start. First time since some point during Hardy year I am really looking forward to games again.
Sorry, but it's too early for me to worry about whatever catastrophe is looming on the college BB horizon. The Lions haven't even blown their playoff chances yet.
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Would someone be kind enough to tell Marillac if the # he sees before St. John's is real or not. Marillac has seen a ranked team for weeks watching St. John's but has been berated post after post for being wrong. Apparently these rose-colored lenses have not allowed Marillac to see what the rest of you are seeing.
Moose wants to know what happened to Marillac's self imposed exile?
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Would someone be kind enough to tell Marillac if the # he sees before St. John's is real or not. Marillac has seen a ranked team for weeks watching St. John's but has been berated post after post for being wrong. Apparently these rose-colored lenses have not allowed Marillac to see what the rest of you are seeing.
Moose wants to know what happened to Marillac's self imposed exile?
Fun predicted that Marillac's flounce was merely a cry for attention and would not last.
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Would someone be kind enough to tell Marillac if the # he sees before St. John's is real or not. Marillac has seen a ranked team for weeks watching St. John's but has been berated post after post for being wrong. Apparently these rose-colored lenses have not allowed Marillac to see what the rest of you are seeing.
Moose wants to know what happened to Marillac's self imposed exile?
It will be reinstated after a few more hidden jabs at #1 Otis.
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Would someone be kind enough to tell Marillac if the # he sees before St. John's is real or not. Marillac has seen a ranked team for weeks watching St. John's but has been berated post after post for being wrong. Apparently these rose-colored lenses have not allowed Marillac to see what the rest of you are seeing.
Moose wants to know what happened to Marillac's self imposed exile?
At least you know how to take a sabbatical Moose. :)
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Damn it feels good to be ranked again, its been a while.
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@GaryParrishCBS: Butler fans will love me after this week’s Poll Attacks. And St. John’s fans will love me even more. Let’s get it! http://t.co/0Cq8LuROVB
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@GaryParrishCBS: Butler fans will love me after this week’s Poll Attacks. And St. John’s fans will love me even more. Let’s get it! http://t.co/0Cq8LuROVB
from the article:
St. John's is 6-1 with a home win over Minnesota, a road win over Syracuse and a lone loss on a neutral court to Gonzaga by a 73-66 margin. Gonzaga is ranked 10th at KenPom. Syracuse is 28th. Minnesota is 30th. So, according to KenPom, St. John's is 6-1 with two top-30 wins and zero losses outside of the top 10, and do you want to see the full list of teams that currently have at least two top-30 wins and zero losses outside of the top 10?
"Yes, Mr. Parrish, I do!" you just said to yourself.
Cool.
Because I have that list right here:
- Kentucky
- Duke
- Louisville
- Wisconsin
- Arizona
- Kansas
- St. John's
That's the entire list.
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@GaryParrishCBS: Butler fans will love me after this week’s Poll Attacks. And St. John’s fans will love me even more. Let’s get it! http://t.co/0Cq8LuROVB
from the article: St. John's is 6-1 with a home win over Minnesota, a road win over Syracuse and a lone loss on a neutral court to Gonzaga by a 73-66 margin. Gonzaga is ranked 10th at KenPom. Syracuse is 28th. Minnesota is 30th. So, according to KenPom, St. John's is 6-1 with two top-30 wins and zero losses outside of the top 10, and do you want to see the full list of teams that currently have at least two top-30 wins and zero losses outside of the top 10? "Yes, Mr. Parrish, I do!" you just said to yourself. Cool. Because I have that list right here:
- Kentucky
- Duke
- Louisville
- Wisconsin
- Arizona
- Kansas
- St. John's
That's the entire list.
It's weird how MSG is both the reason recruits should come to Saint John's and a neutral court.
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@GaryParrishCBS: Butler fans will love me after this week’s Poll Attacks. And St. John’s fans will love me even more. Let’s get it! http://t.co/0Cq8LuROVB
from the article:
St. John's is 6-1 with a home win over Minnesota, a road win over Syracuse and a lone loss on a neutral court to Gonzaga by a 73-66 margin. Gonzaga is ranked 10th at KenPom. Syracuse is 28th. Minnesota is 30th. So, according to KenPom, St. John's is 6-1 with two top-30 wins and zero losses outside of the top 10, and do you want to see the full list of teams that currently have at least two top-30 wins and zero losses outside of the top 10?
"Yes, Mr. Parrish, I do!" you just said to yourself.
Cool.
Because I have that list right here:
- Kentucky
- Duke
- Louisville
- Wisconsin
- Arizona
- Kansas
- St. John's
That's the entire list.
Minnesota was a home win?
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First of all those facts are incredible and I might have cried reading them.
Secondly the official SJU website had Minn/Gonzaga as neutral court until recently when they switched them to home court games. So who knows what they are categorized as.
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@GaryParrishCBS: Butler fans will love me after this week’s Poll Attacks. And St. John’s fans will love me even more. Let’s get it! http://t.co/0Cq8LuROVB
from the article: St. John's is 6-1 with a home win over Minnesota, a road win over Syracuse and a lone loss on a neutral court to Gonzaga by a 73-66 margin. Gonzaga is ranked 10th at KenPom. Syracuse is 28th. Minnesota is 30th. So, according to KenPom, St. John's is 6-1 with two top-30 wins and zero losses outside of the top 10, and do you want to see the full list of teams that currently have at least two top-30 wins and zero losses outside of the top 10? "Yes, Mr. Parrish, I do!" you just said to yourself. Cool. Because I have that list right here:
- Kentucky
- Duke
- Louisville
- Wisconsin
- Arizona
- Kansas
- St. John's
That's the entire list.
I don't think it's fair to consider the Garden to ever be a neutral court for us. Especially when the other team is traveling across the country to play us on our home court.
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@GaryParrishCBS: Butler fans will love me after this week’s Poll Attacks. And St. John’s fans will love me even more. Let’s get it! http://t.co/0Cq8LuROVB
from the article: St. John's is 6-1 with a home win over Minnesota, a road win over Syracuse and a lone loss on a neutral court to Gonzaga by a 73-66 margin. Gonzaga is ranked 10th at KenPom. Syracuse is 28th. Minnesota is 30th. So, according to KenPom, St. John's is 6-1 with two top-30 wins and zero losses outside of the top 10, and do you want to see the full list of teams that currently have at least two top-30 wins and zero losses outside of the top 10? "Yes, Mr. Parrish, I do!" you just said to yourself. Cool. Because I have that list right here:
- Kentucky
- Duke
- Louisville
- Wisconsin
- Arizona
- Kansas
- St. John's
That's the entire list.
It's weird how MSG is both the reason recruits should come to Saint John's and a neutral court.
Ha! I thought that MSG being described as a"neutral court" needed at least an asterisks next to it. Unfortunately, MSG has resembled more of a neutral court for us at times.
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Here is a breakdown of who did and didn't vote for us and where they voted. Surprising that Kieran Darcy left us off his ballot.
http://collegepolltracker.com/basketball/team/sju/2014
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Does Darcy even cover college basketball anymore?
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Kieran Darcy posts here under the name Linda Mirabella. ;)
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Does Darcy even cover college basketball anymore?
The espn NYC SJU website still only has Thomas being ineligable, and I have not seen any rapid reactions posts this year.
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What is going on with CBS sports? Check out their latest rankings. http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/bracketology/nitty-gritty-report
Greenbay 1 (is this hockey?)
Kentucky 2
Nova 15
Seton Hall 19
St. Johns 56
U Mass - Lowell 58 (Not the main campus which is in Amherst)
Long Beach State 65
Georgetown 70
Wow! Why would you put this on your web site, if you are attempting to be a reputable new reporting organization? 60 Minutes should look into this, before they are viewed as another Rolling Stone.
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What is going on with CBS sports? Check out their latest rankings. http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/bracketology/nitty-gritty-report Greenbay 1 (is this hockey?) Kentucky 2 Nova 15 Seton Hall 19 St. Johns 56 U Mass - Lowell 58 (Not the main campus which is in Amherst) Long Beach State 65 Georgetown 70 Wow! Why would you put this on your web site, if you are attempting to be a reputable new reporting organization? 60 Minutes should look into this, before they are viewed as another Rolling Stone.
RPI
http://realtimerpi.com/rpi_Men.html
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What is going on with CBS sports? Check out their latest rankings. http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/bracketology/nitty-gritty-report Greenbay 1 (is this hockey?) Kentucky 2 Nova 15 Seton Hall 19 St. Johns 56 U Mass - Lowell 58 (Not the main campus which is in Amherst) Long Beach State 65 Georgetown 70 Wow! Why would you put this on your web site, if you are attempting to be a reputable new reporting organization? 60 Minutes should look into this, before they are viewed as another Rolling Stone.
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/rpi/_/sort/RPI
You realize CBS doesn't "create" the rpi rankings right? It's a computer formula.
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The RPI rankings vary wildly this year by website. We are most commonly #43 which is a little disappointing considering the neutral court win over Minnesota and the road win against Syracuse. The good news is that there are some mid-majors that will fall past us as the level of competition drops dramatically for them. We will also shoot up with the three neutral court games remaining (and Duke). The schedule is a thing of beauty this year. Props to those who assembled it.
If this team goes to 11-1, they will be in the top 10 in the RPI and probably top 15 in both polls.
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The RPI rankings vary wildly this year by website. We are most commonly #43 which is a little disappointing considering the neutral court win over Minnesota and the road win against Syracuse. The good news is that there are some mid-majors that will fall past us as the level of competition drops dramatically for them. We will also shoot up with the three neutral court games remaining (and Duke). The schedule is a thing of beauty this year. Props to those who assembled it. If this team goes to 11-1, they will be in the top 10 in the RPI and probably top 15 in both polls.
What three neutral court games do we have? Tulane and who else
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The RPI rankings vary wildly this year by website. We are most commonly #43 which is a little disappointing considering the neutral court win over Minnesota and the road win against Syracuse. The good news is that there are some mid-majors that will fall past us as the level of competition drops dramatically for them. We will also shoot up with the three neutral court games remaining (and Duke). The schedule is a thing of beauty this year. Props to those who assembled it. If this team goes to 11-1, they will be in the top 10 in the RPI and probably top 15 in both polls.
What three neutral court games do we have? Tulane and who else
Think he made a mistake. 2 we already played, Minnesota and Gonzaga.
I know msg is our home, but the nit games are considered neutral right.
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The RPI rankings vary wildly this year by website. We are most commonly #43 which is a little disappointing considering the neutral court win over Minnesota and the road win against Syracuse. The good news is that there are some mid-majors that will fall past us as the level of competition drops dramatically for them. We will also shoot up with the three neutral court games remaining (and Duke). The schedule is a thing of beauty this year. Props to those who assembled it. If this team goes to 11-1, they will be in the top 10 in the RPI and probably top 15 in both polls.
What three neutral court games do we have? Tulane and who else
Sorry read the schedule wrong. We have two left: Holiday Festival v. Fordham and Tulane at Barclays. Redstormsports.com makes it look like the St. Mary's game is part of the Holiday Festival at first glance.
In any event, we have two neutral court games left and Duke when 90% of the teams ahead of us are home against patsies until conference play. There is a lot of ground that can be made up. Just can't lose to Depaul or Marquette this year to cough it up. Marquette and Depaul must be sweeps.
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The RPI rankings vary wildly this year by website. We are most commonly #43 which is a little disappointing considering the neutral court win over Minnesota and the road win against Syracuse. The good news is that there are some mid-majors that will fall past us as the level of competition drops dramatically for them. We will also shoot up with the three neutral court games remaining (and Duke). The schedule is a thing of beauty this year. Props to those who assembled it. If this team goes to 11-1, they will be in the top 10 in the RPI and probably top 15 in both polls.
What three neutral court games do we have? Tulane and who else
Sorry read the schedule wrong. We have two left: Holiday Festival v. Fordham and Tulane at Barclays. Redstormsports.com makes it look like the St. Mary's game is part of the Holiday Festival at first glance.
In any event, we have two neutral court games left and Duke when 90% of the teams ahead of us are home against patsies until conference play. There is a lot of ground that can be made up. Just can't lose to Depaul or Marquette this year to cough it up. Marquette and Depaul must be sweeps.
Lets just deal with winning the next 5 before conf play.
Gotta get these 5, yeah it will be tough but win them anyway, anyhow.
Going 11-1 before conf would be step 1 in getting to the ncaa.
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Just can't lose to Depaul or Marquette this year to cough it up. Marquette and Depaul must be sweeps.
Marquette has fallen so far so fast that they're lumped in with Depaul? I'll have to see it to believe it.
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Where do we end up tomorrow? Couple teams ahead of us lost so I am thinking maybe between 20-22. Keep winning, slowly moving up the poll. Keep it going boys.
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Seth Davis has us at #20 this week.
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#19
We were ranked 12-16 on nine ballots last week, but were left off 35 entirely. Two convincing wins will retain those high votes and should convince about 20 of the NR voters to rank SJU 23-25.
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#20 in the AP Poll
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/rankings
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# 20 in new AP poll. Congrats & keep moving on up.
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# 20 in new AP poll. Congrats & keep moving on up.
#19 would have had such a better ring to it, but this is still awesome. Beat a tough St. Mary's team and we will be inside 15 me thinks. Big game, bad matchup. Get it done.
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That Jan. 3rd showdown with Butler is looking nice! #20 vs. #23. When is the last time two ranked teams squared off at Alumni?
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Rooting for Butler to be ranked. They lost to an OK Tennessee team yesterday. They play Indiana Saturday. Would be great if both are ranked. I remember playing Boston College with Troy Bell when both were ranked. Place gets loud when full.
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one spot better then bi was thinking, continue the good work men.
UNFINISHED BUSINESS
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That Jan. 3rd showdown with Butler is looking nice! #20 vs. #23. When is the last time two ranked teams squared off at Alumni?
Butler has to get through Indiana and starts their Big East schedule at Nova. Would love for them to be ranked but I'm not sure that they will be.
Also, not sure if this Parrish article from last week was already posted:
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/eye-on-college-basketball/24874919/poll-attacks-have-the-coaches-looked-at-st-johns-resume
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#23 in Coaches Poll
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Good to be relevant again. Butler does not scare me
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Since Louie retired, Lavin is only the 2nd SJU coach to have the team ranked at some point is two different seasons. How insane is that?
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Since Louie retired, Lavin is only the 2nd SJU coach to have the team ranked at some point is two different seasons. How insane is that?
I was wondering the other day and wasnt able to look it up, but when was the last time st johns won an pre-conference game as a ranked team? Was Hatten ever on a team that was ranked in the preseason?
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Since Louie retired, Lavin is only the 2nd SJU coach to have the team ranked at some point is two different seasons. How insane is that?
I was wondering the other day and wasnt able to look it up, but when was the last time st johns won an pre-conference game as a ranked team? Was Hatten ever on a team that was ranked in the preseason?
http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/st-johns-ny/
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Since Louie retired, Lavin is only the 2nd SJU coach to have the team ranked at some point is two different seasons. How insane is that?
Jarvis had at least 2 also. Elite 8 team plus the next year we were a 2 seed in tournament. That team won at Duke
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Yes Jarvis and Lavin are the 2 coaches since Louie. I try not to mention our 2nd greatest coach of the modern era by name as so many still hate him.
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Yes Jarvis and Lavin are the 2 coaches since Louie. I try not to mention our 2nd greatest coach of the modern era by name as so many still hate him.
Mahoney was allegedly ranked 25th twice.
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Since Louie retired, Lavin is only the 2nd SJU coach to have the team ranked at some point is two different seasons. How insane is that?
I was wondering the other day and wasnt able to look it up, but when was the last time st johns won an pre-conference game as a ranked team? Was Hatten ever on a team that was ranked in the preseason?
http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/st-johns-ny/
Thanks, Omar's lone year. We finished 14-15
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Yes Jarvis and Lavin are the 2 coaches since Louie. I try not to mention our 2nd greatest coach of the modern era by name as so many still hate him.
Yeah Jarvis did it with Frans kids, what happened to his recruits?
Oh that's right they were juco transfers, I credit jarvis/Frachilla 50/50 with getting to the elite 8.
Atleast Lav is getting it done with his own recruits this year.
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You know what I sort of remember that. early in Lopez Frosh year.Ok three coaches. Maybe Mahoney got a raw deal ;)
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So in the 23 years since Louie retired team has been ranked for some part of the season only 7 times
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For some reason I thought we had been ranked for a hot second in Hatten's first year.
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Yes Jarvis and Lavin are the 2 coaches since Louie. I try not to mention our 2nd greatest coach of the modern era by name as so many still hate him.
Yeah Jarvis did it with Frans kids, what happened to his recruits? Oh that's right they were juco transfers, I credit jarvis/Frachilla 50/50 with getting to the elite 8. Atleast Lav is getting it done with his own recruits this year.
Fran was a better recruiter, but let's remember, he's not perfect either. With his juniors, he was far worse than Lavin was last year with his. Fran had a strong season w Lopez, Grant, Artest, Hamilton and Postell in 97-98. That much is undeniable.
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That is all nonsense anyway. So Mahoney could only do well with Louie's leftovers. Fran with Mahoney's, Jarvis with Fran's and Lavin with Norm's. That is not how it works! Guy who coached the players that particular season gets the credit. gets the credit.
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Guy who coached the players that particular season gets the credit. gets the credit.
I'm gonna go get the papers. Get the papers.
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http://mweb.cbssports.com/ncaab/bracketology (http://mweb.cbssports.com/ncaab/bracketology)
Early bracketology has us and Seton Hall as 6 seeds. I would take that gladly.
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Bad editing job by me. Most underated GF scene is the below. Cracks me up every time for some reason.
Tommy DeVito: We hit the deer and his paw... What do you call it? The paw.
Jimmy Conway: [Speaking through a mouth full of pasta] The hoof.
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http://mweb.cbssports.com/ncaab/bracketology (http://mweb.cbssports.com/ncaab/bracketology) Early bracketology has us and Seton Hall as 6 seeds. I would take that gladly.
Seton Hall hasn't done enough yet to earn an nit bid.
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What a year it would be if the Big East got 6 NCAA bids.. :)
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So basically every coach we have had since Lou except Norm has been ranked during 2 seasons. :)
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http://mweb.cbssports.com/ncaab/bracketology (http://mweb.cbssports.com/ncaab/bracketology) Early bracketology has us and Seton Hall as 6 seeds. I would take that gladly.
Jerry Palm is a dope and his brackets are never close. Pay no mind to him. SHU's best win is against Illinois State, how in the world are they a 6?
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http://mweb.cbssports.com/ncaab/bracketology (http://mweb.cbssports.com/ncaab/bracketology) Early bracketology has us and Seton Hall as 6 seeds. I would take that gladly.
Jerry Palm is a dope and his brackets are never close. Pay no mind to him. SHU's best win is against Illinois State, how in the world are they a 6?
Neither Seton Hall or St Johns have beaten a ranked team.
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http://mweb.cbssports.com/ncaab/bracketology (http://mweb.cbssports.com/ncaab/bracketology) Early bracketology has us and Seton Hall as 6 seeds. I would take that gladly.
Jerry Palm is a dope and his brackets are never close. Pay no mind to him. SHU's best win is against Illinois State, how in the world are they a 6?
Neither Seton Hall or St Johns have beaten a ranked team.
Always have to get jabs in on the Johnnies even when doing well. Try to enjoy your second favorite team's success for once!
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http://mweb.cbssports.com/ncaab/bracketology (http://mweb.cbssports.com/ncaab/bracketology) Early bracketology has us and Seton Hall as 6 seeds. I would take that gladly.
Jerry Palm is a dope and his brackets are never close. Pay no mind to him. SHU's best win is against Illinois State, how in the world are they a 6?
Neither Seton Hall or St Johns have beaten a ranked team.
That's true, but beating SU in the Dome in December is worth more than beating a typical top 25 team because it rarely happens. So rarely that they've won 55 straight. I'd say it's equivalent to a win over a top 10 team.
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http://mweb.cbssports.com/ncaab/bracketology (http://mweb.cbssports.com/ncaab/bracketology) Early bracketology has us and Seton Hall as 6 seeds. I would take that gladly.
Jerry Palm is a dope and his brackets are never close. Pay no mind to him. SHU's best win is against Illinois State, how in the world are they a 6?
Neither Seton Hall or St Johns have beaten a ranked team.
Always have to get jabs in on the Johnnies even when doing well. Try to enjoy your second favorite team's success for once!
Not a jab at all
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http://mweb.cbssports.com/ncaab/bracketology (http://mweb.cbssports.com/ncaab/bracketology) Early bracketology has us and Seton Hall as 6 seeds. I would take that gladly.
Jerry Palm is a dope and his brackets are never close. Pay no mind to him. SHU's best win is against Illinois State, how in the world are they a 6?
Neither Seton Hall or St Johns have beaten a ranked team.
That's true, but beating SU in the Dome in December is worth more than beating a typical top 25 team because it rarely happens. So rarely that they've won 55 straight. I'd say it's equivalent to a win over a top 10 team.
ESPN is calling it a signature win, but I hate to say it, but I hope Cuse doesn't suck this year because otherwise it could just be called a veteran team beating a rebuilding year team.
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http://mweb.cbssports.com/ncaab/bracketology (http://mweb.cbssports.com/ncaab/bracketology) Early bracketology has us and Seton Hall as 6 seeds. I would take that gladly.
Jerry Palm is a dope and his brackets are never close. Pay no mind to him. SHU's best win is against Illinois State, how in the world are they a 6?
Neither Seton Hall or St Johns have beaten a ranked team.
That's true, but beating SU in the Dome in December is worth more than beating a typical top 25 team because it rarely happens. So rarely that they've won 55 straight. I'd say it's equivalent to a win over a top 10 team.
ESPN is calling it a signature win, but I hate to say it, but I hope Cuse doesn't suck this year because otherwise it could just be called a veteran team beating a rebuilding year team.
Espn will protect the ACC
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http://mweb.cbssports.com/ncaab/bracketology (http://mweb.cbssports.com/ncaab/bracketology) Early bracketology has us and Seton Hall as 6 seeds. I would take that gladly.
Jerry Palm is a dope and his brackets are never close. Pay no mind to him. SHU's best win is against Illinois State, how in the world are they a 6?
Neither Seton Hall or St Johns have beaten a ranked team.
That's true, but beating SU in the Dome in December is worth more than beating a typical top 25 team because it rarely happens. So rarely that they've won 55 straight. I'd say it's equivalent to a win over a top 10 team.
ESPN is calling it a signature win, but I hate to say it, but I hope Cuse doesn't suck this year because otherwise it could just be called a veteran team beating a rebuilding year team.
Espn will protect the ACC
In this case it helps us.
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The NCAA home site for rankings has SJU ranked #20 but with an 8 - 2 record. Does St. Marys' have a grad in the NCAA stats dept. or is the NCAA just sloppy when it comes to details in Indianapolis? We "lost" a game and moved up 4 places. .
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After pooping the bed at the end of regulation, Cincy beats #19 San Diego St in OT. Win and move up
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The NCAA home site for rankings has SJU ranked #20 but with an 8 - 2 record. Does St. Marys' have a grad in the NCAA stats dept. or is the NCAA just sloppy when it comes to details in Indianapolis? We "lost" a game and moved up 4 places. .
Also saw that gonzaga as neutral loss, but minnesota was a home win. Think I read that espn .
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For what it's worth...Seth Davis voted St Johns #17 this week in his AP Poll.
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This guy ranks us at #19, he had us at 23 last week.
http://borgesblognhr.blogspot.com/2014/12/my-ap-top-25-this-week_21.html
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Bozich has us at #12, had us at #14 last week.
http://www.wdrb.com/story/27682701/bozich-my-weekly-ap-college-basketball-top-25-ballot
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Didn't we get ranked for a week or two in Lavin's first year with Norm's team? The week after we beat Pitt?
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Didn't we get ranked for a week or two in Lavin's first year with Norm's team? The week after we beat Pitt?
I think it was longer than that. I think we were up to #15 at one point.
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Didn't we get ranked for a week or two in Lavin's first year with Norm's team? The week after we beat Pitt?
I think it was longer than that. I think we were up to #15 at one point.
We were ranked for 3 weeks in 2011. Jumped in at 23 after the Pitt game, moved up to 15 the next week after we beat Nova on the road, then down to 17 after we lost to Seton Hall the last week of the season.
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#17 in new AP Poll
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#17 in new AP Poll
Wow! Getting close to top 15!
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Very exciting, Looking forward to see them play tonight!
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" Well we're movin on up, to the east side.
To a deluxe apartment in the sky."
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A few teams ranked higher have lost the last few days. Top 10 next?
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A few teams ranked higher have lost the last few days. Top 10 next?
No, they don't have enough signature wins to move all the way into the Top 10 at this point. However if they beat Tulane, the Hall, Butler and Nova, then yes, top 10 is in their future. But they need to take care of business first.
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A few teams ranked higher have lost the last few days. Top 10 next?
No, they don't have enough signature wins to move all the way into the Top 10 at this point. However if they beat Tulane, the Hall, Butler and Nova, then yes, top 10 is in their future. But they need to take care of business first.
But St Johns is ranked 17 now without a signature win? Best win is at Syracuse, who is having a down year.
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A few teams ranked higher have lost the last few days. Top 10 next?
No, they don't have enough signature wins to move all the way into the Top 10 at this point. However if they beat Tulane, the Hall, Butler and Nova, then yes, top 10 is in their future. But they need to take care of business first.
Per KenPom, there is a 13.3% chance of winning all 4 of those games. Though this does not factor in Whitehead's potential absence in the SH game next week.
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Agree with Baldi - team isn't moving up that much absent a win against a highly ranked foe. If they run the table through Nova, then yes, because the latter would be a signature win. But right now with this group i'm very content taking it one game at a time. Tulane is a trap game so need to lock that up and then start the Big East on a high note with a win against what will be a very amped up Seton Hall team. That game looks easier without Whitehead, but we have not played well against far less talented Seton Hall teams the past few years, so that won't be easy by any stretch.
By the way, I think the Cuse win will keep looking better as the season rolls on. While Cuse is down, they have plenty of top young talent and those guys will get better each game.
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A few teams ranked higher have lost the last few days. Top 10 next?
No, they don't have enough signature wins to move all the way into the Top 10 at this point. However if they beat Tulane, the Hall, Butler and Nova, then yes, top 10 is in their future. But they need to take care of business first.
But St Johns is ranked 17 now without a signature win? Best win is at Syracuse, who is having a down year.
I think we have 3 signature wins. Minnesota, Syracuse and St.Mary's. Those programs may not be as strong as they usually are, but that's their problem. Not ours. Lavin can only coach us.
We have an aggressive pre-season schedule, and we should get credit for that. I expect we will. Only this year, should year, should a player tear his knee up in the BE Tournament, it would be smart to do as Jim Boehwim would do, and make that announcement after the MFers announce the seeding.
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A few teams ranked higher have lost the last few days. Top 10 next?
No, they don't have enough signature wins to move all the way into the Top 10 at this point. However if they beat Tulane, the Hall, Butler and Nova, then yes, top 10 is in their future. But they need to take care of business first.
If they are 14-1, they'll probably be in the top 5-10.
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Tired of hearing about ken Poma percentages not close to being correct. We are going to be playing nova if not 10 very close to it. Out out of conference schedule has been good . Still have to play Duke. We should win all of the games before nova. Butler has been ranked, seton hall almost was, and Tulane has a good record .
Nova is going to be a big game !
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Cuse and Minnesota will probably be RPI top 50 teams at year end. Winning at Cuse is a signature win, all things considered.
Is there really a difference between being ranked 9th or 12th? "Top 10" has a nice ring to it but that's really about it imo
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Cuse is most likely still getting in the tournament. And even if they don't, winning in the Carrier Dome is a signature win.
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Cuse and Minnesota will probably be RPI top 50 teams at year end. Winning at Cuse is a signature win, all things considered. Is there really a difference between being ranked 9th or 12th? "Top 10" has a nice ring to it but that's really about it imo
Agree. Still want to be 9!
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Moved up 3 spots to #17 with a home win against St. Mary's only.
If we move up 3 spots for beating two teams, LBI and the Green Wave, that'll bring us to #14.
Then wins against the Butler and the Hall would have us at least at #10 entering the big Nova showdown.
Don't read this players. One at a time!
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Moved up 3 spots to #17 with a home win against St. Mary's only.
If we move up 3 spots for beating two teams, LBI and the Green Wave, that'll bring us to #14.
Then wins against the Butler and the Hall would have us at least at #10 entering the big Nova showdown.
Don't read this players. One at a time!
Unless the teams immediately ahead of us lose this weekend then I would be surprised if we moved up much. I don't see the teams that lost ahead of us dropping behind us. Just win baby!
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Moved up 3 spots to #17 with a home win against St. Mary's only. If we move up 3 spots for beating two teams, LBI and the Green Wave, that'll bring us to #14. Then wins against the Butler and the Hall would have us at least at #10 entering the big Nova showdown. Don't read this players. One at a time!
Unless the teams immediately ahead of us lose this weekend then I would be surprised if we moved up much. I don't see the teams that lost ahead of us dropping behind us. Just win baby! [/quote Moved up 3 spots to #17 with a home win against St. Mary's only. If we move up 3 spots for beating two teams, LBI and the Green Wave, that'll bring us to #14. Then wins against the Butler and the Hall would have us at least at #10 entering the big Nova showdown. Don't read this players. One at a time!
Unless the teams immediately ahead of us lose this weekend then I would be surprised if we moved up much. I don't see the teams that lost ahead of us dropping behind us. Just win baby!
Without specifics on who won or lost ahead of us, I can't see how we could go 2 - 0 in a week and not move up at least a spot or two.
Beat the Green Wave and we'll be top 15 in the nation. It's gotta be.
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Moved up 3 spots to #17 with a home win against St. Mary's only. If we move up 3 spots for beating two teams, LBI and the Green Wave, that'll bring us to #14. Then wins against the Butler and the Hall would have us at least at #10 entering the big Nova showdown. Don't read this players. One at a time!
Unless the teams immediately ahead of us lose this weekend then I would be surprised if we moved up much. I don't see the teams that lost ahead of us dropping behind us. Just win baby! [/quote Moved up 3 spots to #17 with a home win against St. Mary's only. If we move up 3 spots for beating two teams, LBI and the Green Wave, that'll bring us to #14. Then wins against the Butler and the Hall would have us at least at #10 entering the big Nova showdown. Don't read this players. One at a time!
Unless the teams immediately ahead of us lose this weekend then I would be surprised if we moved up much. I don't see the teams that lost ahead of us dropping behind us. Just win baby!
Without specifics on who won or lost ahead of us, I can't see how we could go 2 - 0 in a week and not move up at least a spot or two.
Beat the Green Wave and we'll be top 15 in the nation. It's gotta be.
The # 9, 10 and 11 teams recently lost, so they will drop in the rankings but I don't think we will jump high enough to pass them.
#16 ND - vs. Hartford
#15 Maryland - vs. Oakland
#14 Utah - no games until after Monday
#13 Wash - vs. Stony Brook
#12 Iowa St - no games until after Monday
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so what's everyone thinking for tomorrow? Top 15?
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so what's everyone thinking for tomorrow? Top 15?
i think 15
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I'm guessing anywhere from 13-16
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so what's everyone thinking for tomorrow? Top 15?
I'm thinking 14.
We should pass Wichita St. I could also see Kansas dropping below us based on how they lost. Also could see us moving ahead of Notre Dame since they were only 19 points ahead of us last week and we had 2 very convincing wins this week.
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Nova has more scoring options than we do.
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Washington lost to Stony Brook. We will most likely jump them in the rankings.
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Georgetown should be ranked. That's 3 Big East schools ranked going into league play.
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Washington lost to Stony Brook. We will most likely jump them in the rankings.
That's amazing. Might be the biggest upset of the year.
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the brook was down 16 at one point
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Four ballots I've seen thus far:
http://borgesblognhr.blogspot.com/ Has us 19th, same as last week.
http://www.fayobserver.com/blogs/sports/acc_basketball/acc-basketball-bret-strelow-s-ap-top-ballot-for-dec/article_497c8188-8f0b-11e4-a49f-3bf5da7fb300.html Has us 14th, had us 18th last week.
http://www.wdrb.com/story/27719242/bozich-my-weekly-ap-college-basketball-top-25-ballot Has us 10th, had us 12th last week.
https://twitter.com/SethDavisHoops/status/549419444251140096 Has us 15th, had us 17th last week.
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the brook was down 16 at one point
Only a matter of time before someone grabs their coach.
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the brook was down 16 at one point
Only a matter of time before someone grabs their coach.
We might
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#15 latest AP poll. GTown enters @ #25.
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ehh anyone remember what happened last time we were ranked 15th in the AP? :o
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ehh anyone remember what happened last time we were ranked 15th in the AP? :o
Are you a knee surgeon?
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I'm a bit surprised that Wichita St. dropped so many spots, but I'll take it. Keep up the good play boys!
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ehh anyone remember what happened last time we were ranked 15th in the AP? :o
Loss to Seton Hall?
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ehh anyone remember what happened last time we were ranked 15th in the AP? :o
Are you a knee surgeon?
If thats a reference to DJ thats not what I was getting it.
http://espn.go.com/ncb/recap?gameId=310622550
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#12 in the RPI
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I was at that game against the Hall, behind their bench. Edwin, Hazell & Co. shot the lights out from 3, and Seton Hall's bench acted like they won a Final Four game. Frustrating as hell.
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#12 Maryland plays at Michigan St. @ 5pm today
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#12 Maryland plays at Michigan St. @ 5pm today
I still can't get over Maryland being in the Big 10.
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#12 Maryland plays at Michigan St. @ 5pm today
I still can't get over Maryland being in the Big 10.
Agree. Different thread but IMO making the move to the Big 10 for football makes a lot more sense then moving to the ACC for football. As long as they make a big commitment to their football program that is.
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#12 Maryland plays at Michigan St. @ 5pm today
I still can't get over Maryland being in the Big 10.
Of all the conference realignment, this one makes the least sense to me. Maryland didn't need the extra few bucks that they could get from the Big 10 network.
They have great rivalries with Duke and UNC, and the conference just added Notre Dame and Syracuse, and now Louisville.
And Maryland football sucks. And, even if it didn't, you can still get to a nice bowl game from the ACC. Florida State, Clemson, Miami, and Virginia Tech aren't garbage.
If I were a Maryland fan or alumni I would hate this move.
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#12 Maryland plays at Michigan St. @ 5pm today
I still can't get over Maryland being in the Big 10.
Of all the conference realignment, this one makes the least sense to me. Maryland didn't need the extra few bucks that they could get from the Big 10 network.
They have great rivalries with Duke and UNC, and the conference just added Notre Dame and Syracuse, and now Louisville.
And Maryland football sucks. And, even if it didn't, you can still get to a nice bowl game from the ACC. Florida State, Clemson, Miami, and Virginia Tech aren't garbage.
If I were a Maryland fan or alumni I would hate this move.
If they don't put a ton of money into their football program than the move makes no sense. Travel costs alone probably doubled. Same for Rutgers.
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#12 Maryland plays at Michigan St. @ 5pm today
I still can't get over Maryland being in the Big 10.
Of all the conference realignment, this one makes the least sense to me. Maryland didn't need the extra few bucks that they could get from the Big 10 network. They have great rivalries with Duke and UNC, and the conference just added Notre Dame and Syracuse, and now Louisville. And Maryland football sucks. And, even if it didn't, you can still get to a nice bowl game from the ACC. Florida State, Clemson, Miami, and Virginia Tech aren't garbage. If I were a Maryland fan or alumni I would hate this move.
If they don't put a ton of money into their football program than the move makes no sense. Travel costs alone probably doubled. Same for Rutgers.
That's the big mistake BC made with the ACC move. All of their programs are pretty much irrelevant now, and the non-revenue producing teams are probably having trouble with the budget, when it comes to things like travel, hotel, meal money, etc. I don't know if they are, or if they aren't, but it has to be a struggle, I would imagine.
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#12 Maryland plays at Michigan St. @ 5pm today
Ugly game so far. Maryland up 11-6 with 5 mins left in the first half.
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#12 Maryland plays at Michigan St. @ 5pm today
Ugly game so far. Maryland up 11-6 with 5 mins left in the first half.
State has been struggling mightily this year. I know they had quite a few injuries.
Don't we have a poster who goes to school there?
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Anyway we stay in the top 25 tomm?
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Anyway we stay in the top 25 tomm?
Lost to 2 unranked teams in a week. No
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Anyway we stay in the top 25 tomm?
Lost to 2 unranked teams in a week. No
Highly doubtful. One loss is excused. But now, after losing at home to Butler we look like a team that isn't what it was w out Jordan. I don't expect him back, but stranger things have happened.
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#24 in the new AP poll. Surprised we are still ranked.
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Surprised also
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#24 in the new AP poll. Surprised we are still ranked.
lost to #19 on the road and #28 at home, should have won one of them, but neither is a killer. The real problem is how this team manages to win in the future. at least jordan will have fresh legs for nova
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#24 in the new AP poll. Surprised we are still ranked.
lost to #19 on the road and #28 at home, should have won one of them, but neither is a killer. The real problem is how this team manages to win in the future. at least jordan will have fresh legs for nova
At least Jordan has fresh legs? What about Harrison and Pointer?
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#24 in the new AP poll. Surprised we are still ranked.
lost to #19 on the road and #28 at home, should have won one of them, but neither is a killer. The real problem is how this team manages to win in the future. at least jordan will have fresh legs for nova
the way we win is simple. Our best 6 is better then most teams best 6
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#24 in the new AP poll. Surprised we are still ranked.
lost to #19 on the road and #28 at home, should have won one of them, but neither is a killer. The real problem is how this team manages to win in the future. at least jordan will have fresh legs for nova
the way we win is simple. Our best 6 is better then most teams best 6
Agreed. We just have to hope we still have 6 for every game (fouls, suspensions, injuries, etc.)
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#24 in the new AP poll. Surprised we are still ranked.
lost to #19 on the road and #28 at home, should have won one of them, but neither is a killer. The real problem is how this team manages to win in the future. at least jordan will have fresh legs for nova
Did I miss something? Since when is Jordan playing against Villanova?
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#24 in the new AP poll. Surprised we are still ranked.
lost to #19 on the road and #28 at home, should have won one of them, but neither is a killer. The real problem is how this team manages to win in the future. at least jordan will have fresh legs for nova
the way we win is simple. Our best 6 is better then most teams best 6
Agreed. We just have to hope we still have 6 for every game (fouls, suspensions, injuries, etc.)
They have antibiotics for Carnesecca flu?
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#24 in the new AP poll. Surprised we are still ranked.
lost to #19 on the road and #28 at home, should have won one of them, but neither is a killer. The real problem is how this team manages to win in the future. at least jordan will have fresh legs for nova
Did I miss something? Since when is Jordan playing against Villanova?
According to a couple people including Paultz, Lavin had a big POW WOW with the Jordan posse and apparently everyone sang Kumbaya and hit the reset button or something like that and everything is good in SJU basketball universe once again.
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#24 in the new AP poll. Surprised we are still ranked.
lost to #19 on the road and #28 at home, should have won one of them, but neither is a killer. The real problem is how this team manages to win in the future. at least jordan will have fresh legs for nova
Did I miss something? Since when is Jordan playing against Villanova?
You are a bit behind on the "As SJU Turns" soap opera. On today's episode Jordan is back and expects to play tomorrow.
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#24 in the new AP poll. Surprised we are still ranked.
lost to #19 on the road and #28 at home, should have won one of them, but neither is a killer. The real problem is how this team manages to win in the future. at least jordan will have fresh legs for nova
Did I miss something? Since when is Jordan playing against Villanova?
Appears likely
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#24 in the new AP poll. Surprised we are still ranked.
lost to #19 on the road and #28 at home, should have won one of them, but neither is a killer. The real problem is how this team manages to win in the future. at least jordan will have fresh legs for nova
Did I miss something? Since when is Jordan playing against Villanova?
You are a bit behind on the "As SJU Turns" soap opera. On today's episode Jordan is back and expects to play tomorrow.
Oh wow, good news for a change! Now I'm looking forward to the game tomorrow, again.
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@NYPost_Brazille: Rysheed Jordan has returned from leave of absence, will play tomorrow and practice today. #sjubb
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@NYPost_Brazille: Rysheed Jordan has returned from leave of absence, will play tomorrow and practice today. #sjubb
Practice? Hey he is better than me at New Years resolutions. Mine are all gone already
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#24 in the new AP poll. Surprised we are still ranked.
lost to #19 on the road and #28 at home, should have won one of them, but neither is a killer. The real problem is how this team manages to win in the future. at least jordan will have fresh legs for nova
Did I miss something? Since when is Jordan playing against Villanova?
According to a couple people including Paultz, Lavin had a big POW WOW with the Jordan posse and apparently everyone sang Kumbaya and hit the reset button or something like that and everything is good in SJU basketball universe once again.
Or maybe Temple said no thanks
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#24 in the new AP poll. Surprised we are still ranked.
lost to #19 on the road and #28 at home, should have won one of them, but neither is a killer. The real problem is how this team manages to win in the future. at least jordan will have fresh legs for nova
Did I miss something? Since when is Jordan playing against Villanova?
According to a couple people including Paultz, Lavin had a big POW WOW with the Jordan posse and apparently everyone sang Kumbaya and hit the reset button or something like that and everything is good in SJU basketball universe once again.
Or maybe Temple said no thanks
Works for me
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#24 in the new AP poll. Surprised we are still ranked.
lost to #19 on the road and #28 at home, should have won one of them, but neither is a killer. The real problem is how this team manages to win in the future. at least jordan will have fresh legs for nova
Did I miss something? Since when is Jordan playing against Villanova?
According to a couple people including Paultz, Lavin had a big POW WOW with the Jordan posse and apparently everyone sang Kumbaya and hit the reset button or something like that and everything is good in SJU basketball universe once again.
Or maybe Temple said no thanks
Works for me
Same here. I don't care if they slugged it out, cried, smoked a doobie together... just get the team on the same page and practicing and playing together.
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#24 in the new AP poll. Surprised we are still ranked.
lost to #19 on the road and #28 at home, should have won one of them, but neither is a killer. The real problem is how this team manages to win in the future. at least jordan will have fresh legs for nova
Did I miss something? Since when is Jordan playing against Villanova?
According to a couple people including Paultz, Lavin had a big POW WOW with the Jordan posse and apparently everyone sang Kumbaya and hit the reset button or something like that and everything is good in SJU basketball universe once again.
Or maybe Temple said no thanks
Why so angry
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#24 in the new AP poll. Surprised we are still ranked.
lost to #19 on the road and #28 at home, should have won one of them, but neither is a killer. The real problem is how this team manages to win in the future. at least jordan will have fresh legs for nova
Did I miss something? Since when is Jordan playing against Villanova?
According to a couple people including Paultz, Lavin had a big POW WOW with the Jordan posse and apparently everyone sang Kumbaya and hit the reset button or something like that and everything is good in SJU basketball universe once again.
Or maybe Temple said no thanks
Why so angry
Not angry. Embarassed on how things are handled
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#24 in the new AP poll. Surprised we are still ranked.
lost to #19 on the road and #28 at home, should have won one of them, but neither is a killer. The real problem is how this team manages to win in the future. at least jordan will have fresh legs for nova
Did I miss something? Since when is Jordan playing against Villanova?
According to a couple people including Paultz, Lavin had a big POW WOW with the Jordan posse and apparently everyone sang Kumbaya and hit the reset button or something like that and everything is good in SJU basketball universe once again.
Or maybe Temple said no thanks
Why so angry
Not angry. Embarassed on how things are handled
We're St. John's fans post Louie, haven't we kind of affirmatively signed up to be embarassed on how certain things are handled at this point?
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#24 in the new AP poll. Surprised we are still ranked.
lost to #19 on the road and #28 at home, should have won one of them, but neither is a killer. The real problem is how this team manages to win in the future. at least jordan will have fresh legs for nova
Did I miss something? Since when is Jordan playing against Villanova?
According to a couple people including Paultz, Lavin had a big POW WOW with the Jordan posse and apparently everyone sang Kumbaya and hit the reset button or something like that and everything is good in SJU basketball universe once again.
Or maybe Temple said no thanks
Why so angry
Not angry. Embarassed on how things are handled
We're St. John's fans post Louie, haven't we kind of affirmatively signed up to be embarassed on how certain things are handled at this point?
Hahaha. I guess you're right kid. I'm not sure I've ever seen anything like this
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#24 in the new AP poll. Surprised we are still ranked.
lost to #19 on the road and #28 at home, should have won one of them, but neither is a killer. The real problem is how this team manages to win in the future. at least jordan will have fresh legs for nova
Did I miss something? Since when is Jordan playing against Villanova?
According to a couple people including Paultz, Lavin had a big POW WOW with the Jordan posse and apparently everyone sang Kumbaya and hit the reset button or something like that and everything is good in SJU basketball universe once again.
Or maybe Temple said no thanks
Why so angry
Not angry. Embarassed on how things are handled
if the recruiting wasn't so unbalanced, none of this psycho drama occurs. When a team has depth at his disposal, HC has all the leverage. Poor recruiting took away any leverage Lavs could have had, other than blowing up the good start to the season. But Rysheed needs the squad as much as they need him. He's just too immature to realize it.
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This situation was embarassing . But the season and team aren't . Enjoy it. I understand some frustration and anger but the last few days have been crazy around here .
We have a game tommorow get excited and get some tickets . We have all waited a long time for a game like this.
Unless we get embrassed their should be no complaining . If we win their certainly shouldn't be any complaints.
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smoked a doobie together...
That's what I heard. Willie and Marcus mediated the meeting.
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@Hoyas247: Kenpom/Pomeoy Rankings
Big East:
4. Villanova
25. Xavier
26. Butler
34. St. Johns
37. Seton Hall
44. Georgetown #Hoyas
48. Providence
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@Hoyas247: Kenpom/Pomeoy Rankings
Big East:
4. Villanova
25. Xavier
26. Butler
34. St. Johns
37. Seton Hall
44. Georgetown #Hoyas
48. Providence
KenPom has us losing by 2 tonight
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Fxck kenpom we win tonight
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Fxck kenpom we win tonight
Good call.
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#23 in the RPI after last night's win. 6 Big East teams in top 40.
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#23 in the RPI after last night's win(http://cdncache-a.akamaihd.net/items/it/img/arrow-10x10.png). 6 Big East teams in top 40.
Guys played really intense last night. I think their RPI is in line with where they are right now. Next stretch of 5 games they'll break into top half of beast standings if they play hard and execute.
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AP week 17. SJU with 27 votes. Puts us 29th.
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So SJU beats Georgetown and their RPI actually slips a spot but Georgetown loses to a team with a lower RPI and they stay in the same place..?
http://www.ncaa.com/rankings/basketball-men/d1/ncaa-mens-basketball-rpi
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So SJU beats Georgetown and their RPI actually slips a spot but Georgetown loses to a team with a lower RPI and they stay in the same place..?
http://www.ncaa.com/rankings/basketball-men/d1/ncaa-mens-basketball-rpi
Was there ever confirmation that the preseason NIT and the Fordham games were in fact home games, as the NCAA records it on that RPI page? I always thought they technically were neutral site games. Our RPI will get a bump higher if they are reclassified
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So SJU beats Georgetown and their RPI actually slips a spot but Georgetown loses to a team with a lower RPI and they stay in the same place..?
http://www.ncaa.com/rankings/basketball-men/d1/ncaa-mens-basketball-rpi
Was there ever confirmation that the preseason NIT and the Fordham games were in fact home games, as the NCAA records it on that RPI page? I always thought they technically were neutral site games. Our RPI will get a bump higher if they are reclassified
Hard to reclassify games that are played on our home court
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So SJU beats Georgetown and their RPI actually slips a spot but Georgetown loses to a team with a lower RPI and they stay in the same place..?
http://www.ncaa.com/rankings/basketball-men/d1/ncaa-mens-basketball-rpi
Was there ever confirmation that the preseason NIT and the Fordham games were in fact home games, as the NCAA records it on that RPI page? I always thought they technically were neutral site games. Our RPI will get a bump higher if they are reclassified
Hard to reclassify games that are played on our home court
Is that a change to the way those games are treated per RPI methodology? Am I wrong in thinking that those kinds of games were technically neutral site games in years past?
Does this mean that Big East Tournament games are treated as home games for us?
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But how could gets against Minnesota etc. be considered away games at MSG
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MSG is home court...it doesnt matter that it was in a preseason tourney. I think it has always been this way.
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I don't think get that either PMG. But I'll take 5 top 40 RIP wins all day long, two on the road.
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Those games were not home games . They were neutral court games. Almost positive of that.
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Those games were not home games . They were neutral court games. Almost positive of that.
So you think Duke will play an "away" game round 1?
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Those games were not home games . They were neutral court games. Almost positive of that.
So you think Duke will play an "away" game round 1?
dont understand
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Those games were not home games . They were neutral court games. Almost positive of that.
So you think Duke will play an "away" game round 1?
dont understand
I'm not singling you out. Just saying how we (including me) always complain Duke gets to play at home first 2 rounds
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Those games were not home games . They were neutral court games. Almost positive of that.
They were tournament games so they were not part of season ticket package but since they were at MSG the NCAA counts them as home games for us in their RPI formula.
Espn rpi has been incorrect all year. Cbs or one of the others is also wrong. Our current correct RPI is 37.
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So then do BET games count as home games for us?
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So then do BET games count as home games for us?
It's where we had senior night
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The BE tournament is familiar, but it's not a home game because the tickets are distributed evenly to the participating schools, and in our case, participating criminals, who sell the tickets for a premium.
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I don't think they are home games. Not my optinion just what I think the rule is. I am fairly certain. If ucla plays in the rose bowl it's not a home game for them. Think it is same thing.
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I bet we fare better in the coaches poll when that comes out later today.
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So then do BET games count as home games for us?
It's where we had senior night
If you quoted a rule somewhere that explained the methodology, that would help make your point. Clearly we know that we play home games at MSG. The question is are these "other" games counted as neutral site.
I agree with Poison. But is that not the same situation as the preseason NIT?
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Nope chud. 32nd and gtown 26th in coaches
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So then do BET games count as home games for us?
It's where we had senior night
If you quoted a rule somewhere that explained the methodology, that would help make your point. Clearly we know that we play home games at MSG. The question is are these "other" games counted as neutral site.
I agree with Poison. But is that not the same situation as the preseason NIT?
IMO, the pre-season NIT is where it could be legitimately counted as a home game, even if it's not technically the case. How likely are fans of Minnesota to fly to NY and spend their Thanksgiving watching basketball? Some people will, but the pre-season NIT has been empty for as long as I can remember.
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Would we be complaining if the Big East tournament was held in Philly or DC? Yes. We have the tournament at home. Even NIt preseason games.
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Agree w baldi. It's a huge advantage. Other teams would take this advantage and consistently win more than they probably should. Unfortunately we do anything but which is probably we all think the msg games should be neutral...because due to our fan bases usual apathy they basically are.
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Would we be complaining if the Big East tournament was held in Philly or DC? Yes. We have the tournament at home. Even NIt preseason games.
I don't think anyone is complaining. I was simply asking for clarification on the methodology; I recalled a different one in years past. I am also still unclear about what is different about the preseason NIT versus the conference tournament as it relates to classification of "home" vs "neutral" sites. Was the Holiday Tournament always considered SJU home games for RPI purposes?
If this is indeed the case then I question the desire to participate in preseason tournaments at MSG. I'd rather schedule one off non conference games there against guaranteed marquee opponents who will draw a crowd. Build it into the season ticket package. Attendance and resulting SOS would probably be better.
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I'm guessing that the BET games will be deemed home games in the NCAA's RPI calculations. I recall reading a while back that if a team plays a percentage of their games (not sure of the number) in a particular arena, it is counted as home court.
That being said, there really is little advantage to playing in the preseason NIT. That tournament is going the way of the Great Alaska Shootout.
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http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/ForSIDs/Policies.pdf
For those interested, the methodology begins on page 9 in this .pdf. Seems like the kind of situation that could be either home or neutral per the scenarios laid out. Schools can appeal, apparently. SJU should do this for the preseason NIT, as it was not part of the season ticket package, nor did we "host" the tournament or hire the officials.