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St. John's Red Storm => In The Jungle... => Topic started by: paultzman on May 28, 2015, 09:28:29 AM

Title: Monasch Out
Post by: paultzman on May 28, 2015, 09:28:29 AM
SJU will remove Chris Monasch as Athletic Director, sources told @CBSSports. An official announcement is expected soon. #sjubb
Title: Re: Monasch Out
Post by: Gumby on May 28, 2015, 09:30:36 AM
We should be able to do better.
Title: Re: Monasch Out
Post by: nudginator59 on May 28, 2015, 09:52:31 AM
Cleaning house...He can get credit for bringing Mullin, a lot of good vibes for SJU and now he can leave for "bigger and better things" without the appearance of being fired.
Title: Re: Monasch Out
Post by: newsman13 on May 28, 2015, 10:07:45 AM
He did a decent job with what he had.  Some would like to have seen Carnesecca Arena made bigger.  Lavin was a good hire...actually a great hire at the time.  The Norm years were brutal, but they were in FH's hands. The other programs are doing relatively well.

He has nothing to be ashamed of.
Title: Re: Monasch Out
Post by: kingofk1ngs on May 28, 2015, 10:19:39 AM
@WojYahooNBA
Sources: Sacramento Kings GM Pete D'Alessandro - who lost authority to Vlade Divac - will be a significant candidate for St. John's AD job.

St. John's Alum and worked with Mullin in Sacramento and Golden State.
Title: Re: Monasch Out
Post by: desco80 on May 28, 2015, 10:26:37 AM
@WojYahooNBA
Sources: Sacramento Kings GM Pete D'Alessandro - who lost authority to Vlade Divac - will be a significant candidate for St. John's AD job.

St. John's Alum and worked with Mullin in Sacramento and Golden State.

Sounds good.  And could be something Mullin asked for in negotiations.

But, NBA gm and athletic director are very different jobs.   
Title: Re: Monasch Out
Post by: newsman13 on May 28, 2015, 10:30:30 AM
@WojYahooNBA
Sources: Sacramento Kings GM Pete D'Alessandro - who lost authority to Vlade Divac - will be a significant candidate for St. John's AD job.

St. John's Alum and worked with Mullin in Sacramento and Golden State.

Sounds good.  And could be something Mullin asked for I'm negotiations.

But, NBA gm and athletic director are very different jobs.   

True...but we're a basketball school...
Title: Re: Monasch Out
Post by: desco80 on May 28, 2015, 10:34:46 AM
@WojYahooNBA
Sources: Sacramento Kings GM Pete D'Alessandro - who lost authority to Vlade Divac - will be a significant candidate for St. John's AD job.

St. John's Alum and worked with Mullin in Sacramento and Golden State.

Sounds good.  And could be something Mullin asked for I'm negotiations.

But, NBA gm and athletic director are very different jobs.   

True...but we're a basketball school...

Right, but how much of that work he did as gm translates?   He evaluated draft picks and free agents... but as AD he has no role in choosing the players.

I won't complain if an alum Chris and Lou are comfortable with becomes AD.
I just think the job mostly involves fundraising, getting sponsors, and scheduling.   For two dozen different teams.
That's not what a gm in the NBA does. 

But I'll keep an open mind.
Title: Re: Monasch Out
Post by: paultzman on May 28, 2015, 10:39:44 AM
Hmm,

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA 7m7 minutes ago
Sources: Sacramento Kings GM Pete D'Alessandro - who lost authority to Vlade Divac - will be a significant candidate for St. John's AD job.
Title: Re: Monasch Out
Post by: P1NSTR1PEZ on May 28, 2015, 10:52:07 AM
Long Over Due. Glad someone is making the right decisions around here
Title: Re: Monasch Out
Post by: shaun1345 on May 28, 2015, 11:08:39 AM
If this plays out the way people are insinuating and Pete is the guy then this basketball program  will be given every opportunity and resource to succeed. Also proves who's running the show.  Hand picking your own boss/AD as a basketball coach is a sign of nearly autonomous power.  Monasch had to be out, d Alessandro is exciting because, although I agree with Desco, this guy is a professional and obviously hoops centric. I'd imagine we wouldn't be so "mom and pop" anymore.  Also wonder if it would be a big boost in recruiting, I mean he is an NBA gm.  Downside is, God forbid, there would have to be a change made with the coach it would be an absolute mess with the ad tied to him.  As the loquacious jalen rose said in regards to the fab five "s**t better work" lol
Title: Re: Monasch Out
Post by: Gray Chudney on May 28, 2015, 11:16:15 AM
Power hire.  No idea how he'd be as an AD, but it would be an incredible marketing tool for hoops recruiting.

Desco - I would agree if we didn't already have Mullin on board, who is definitely the university's figurehead for donations.
Title: Re: Monasch Out
Post by: Amaseinyourface2 on May 28, 2015, 11:18:28 AM
D'Alessandro would be great for hoops but think he would need a very capable assistant ad to aid him. But the same probably goes for any hire.
Title: Re: Monasch Out
Post by: wpc77 on May 28, 2015, 11:40:41 AM
Power hire.  No idea how he'd be as an AD, but it would be an incredible marketing tool for hoops recruiting.

Desco - I would agree if we didn't already have Mullin on board, who is definitely the university's figurehead for donations.

School and Gempesaw would be going all-in on hoops.  LONG OVERDUE.  Really hope this works out.
Title: Re: Monasch Out
Post by: redmen4life on May 28, 2015, 11:56:01 AM
Power hire.  No idea how he'd be as an AD, but it would be an incredible marketing tool for hoops recruiting.

Desco - I would agree if we didn't already have Mullin on board, who is definitely the university's figurehead for donations.

absolutely a great move for basketball.

you can tell any highschool kid, "we are running a nba organization at st. john's." HOF Coach, NBA GM, and hopefully  NBA assistants. 
Title: Re: Monasch Out
Post by: bball purist on May 28, 2015, 12:31:11 PM
@WojYahooNBA
Sources: Sacramento Kings GM Pete D'Alessandro - who lost authority to Vlade Divac - will be a significant candidate for St. John's AD job.

St. John's Alum and worked with Mullin in Sacramento and Golden State.

Sounds good.  And could be something Mullin asked for I'm negotiations.

But, NBA gm and athletic director are very different jobs.   

True...but we're a basketball school...
Yep.


3 Questions - Can the AD manage money well, can he/she raise more money for the athletic programs, and can they make good internal hires whether coaches/their  staff?
Title: Re: Monasch Out
Post by: Section 9 on May 28, 2015, 01:05:04 PM
@WojYahooNBA
Sources: Sacramento Kings GM Pete D'Alessandro - who lost authority to Vlade Divac - will be a significant candidate for St. John's AD job.

St. John's Alum and worked with Mullin in Sacramento and Golden State.

Sounds good.  And could be something Mullin asked for I'm negotiations.

But, NBA gm and athletic director are very different jobs.   

True...but we're a basketball school...
Yep.


3 Questions - Can the AD manage money well, can he/she raise more money for the athletic programs, and can they make good internal hires whether coaches/their  staff?

Think Mullin's gonna be able to raise more money for athletics?
Title: Re: Monasch Out
Post by: JohnnyJungle on May 28, 2015, 02:32:56 PM
Long Over Due. Glad someone is making the right decisions around here

Just curious why is it long overdue? I'm not sure why some folks have such strong animosity towards Monasch.
Title: Re: Monasch Out
Post by: JohnnyJungle on May 28, 2015, 02:38:09 PM
If I had to take issue with the athletic department then middle management would be my focus. There are a lot of glorified titles & paper pushers who have been collecting checks for a long time.

I am pretty indifferent on Monasch. I didn't think he was great but I definitely didn't think he was bad. I think there are plenty of positives over the past few years that can be directly attributed to him and hopefully this is another case of moving from good to great.
Title: Re: Monasch Out
Post by: kingofk1ngs on May 28, 2015, 03:23:46 PM
@GaryParrishCBS 3m3 minutes ago
St. John’s has formally announced that AD Chris Monasch is resigning effective June 30.
Title: Re: Monasch Out
Post by: Marco Baldi on May 28, 2015, 03:43:30 PM
I heard Mullin wasn't coming had Monasch been retained
Title: Re: Monasch Out
Post by: paultzman on May 28, 2015, 04:17:16 PM
@TimBontemps: Have heard that Pete D'Alessandro will be next AD at St. John's for some time, as @WojYahooNBA and others have said  https://t.co/oMr94vCVls
Title: Re: Monasch Out
Post by: paultzman on May 28, 2015, 04:20:21 PM
@RogRubin: St. John's to replace AD Chris Monasch. Alienating PGA star Keegan Bradley was among his missteps. NYDN: http://t.co/YuWtpz95Nf.
Title: Re: Monasch Out
Post by: redmen4life on May 28, 2015, 04:23:29 PM
Would be even greater accomplishment now for the Warriors to win the title.  HOF Coach and NBA Champion AD.
Title: Re: Monasch Out
Post by: kingofk1ngs on May 28, 2015, 04:30:25 PM
Would be even greater accomplishment now for the Warriors to win the title.  HOF Coach and NBA Champion AD.

Pete D'Alessandro works for the Kings right now. He used to work for the Warriors.

Title: Re: Monasch Out
Post by: newsman13 on May 28, 2015, 04:48:56 PM
@RogRubin: St. John's to replace AD Chris Monasch. Alienating PGA star Keegan Bradley was among his missteps. NYDN: http://t.co/YuWtpz95Nf.

Why?  Is Keegan Bradley a million dollar donor like Jayson Williams?  Methinks the PGA star may be too full of himself...if the NYDN story is true.

Back to the AD.  The first thing he/she should do is clean out the compliance department.  Enough with the failures.
Title: Re: Monasch Out
Post by: Marillac on May 28, 2015, 07:12:16 PM
I heard Mullin wasn't coming had Monasch been retained

Why would Mullin care?  He would have bypassed Monasch completely and reported directly to Bobby.
Title: Re: Monasch Out
Post by: Poison on May 28, 2015, 07:14:51 PM
Long Over Due. Glad someone is making the right decisions around here

Just curious why is it long overdue? I'm not sure why some folks have such strong animosity towards Monasch.

Just my take: it seemed like he didn't care.
Title: Re: Monasch Out
Post by: Marillac on May 28, 2015, 07:16:41 PM
@RogRubin: St. John's to replace AD Chris Monasch. Alienating PGA star Keegan Bradley was among his missteps. NYDN: http://t.co/YuWtpz95Nf.

Why?  Is Keegan Bradley a million dollar donor like Jayson Williams?  Methinks the PGA star may be too full of himself...if the NYDN story is true.

Back to the AD.  The first thing he/she should do is clean out the compliance department.  Enough with the failures.

He's probably the most visible alum we have and he's a great representative of the university. Golf is such a low key program to begin with...it's just silly that Monasch wouldn't have approached Keegan for his recommendation on the new coach.  It's seems Keegan was just as pissed off that his former teammate wasn't selected as he was with Darby being canned. 
Title: Re: Monasch Out
Post by: Marco Baldi on May 28, 2015, 07:19:55 PM
I heard Mullin wasn't coming had Monasch been retained

Why would Mullin care?  He would have bypassed Monasch completely and reported directly to Bobby.


Monasch had no say in the MULLIN hire. Zero. This has been in the works fro awhile
Title: Re: Monasch Out
Post by: bball purist on May 28, 2015, 08:10:09 PM
@WojYahooNBA
Sources: Sacramento Kings GM Pete D'Alessandro - who lost authority to Vlade Divac - will be a significant candidate for St. John's AD job.

St. John's Alum and worked with Mullin in Sacramento and Golden State.

Sounds good.  And could be something Mullin asked for I'm negotiations.

But, NBA gm and athletic director are very different jobs.   

True...but we're a basketball school...
Yep.


3 Questions - Can the AD manage money well, can he/she raise more money for the athletic programs, and can they make good internal hires whether coaches/their  staff?

Think Mullin's gonna be able to raise more money for athletics?
No doubt - the bball coaches work hand in hand with the AD. That says it all about this move. We're going to the next level.
Title: Re: Monasch Out
Post by: stjohnnie75 on May 29, 2015, 12:40:24 AM
I heard Mullin wasn't coming had Monasch been retained

Why would Mullin care?  He would have bypassed Monasch completely and reported directly to Bobby.


Monasch had no say in the MULLIN hire. Zero. This has been in the works fro awhile

Which is why I'm surprised anyone would want the AD job. AD has little say with the basketball team.  I'm pretty sure if Manetta had his choice he would have hired Cal when he had the chance.
Title: Re: Monasch Out
Post by: Dan on May 31, 2015, 11:46:46 AM
I read Monasch wanted to extend lavin and the new president overruled him. It's so refreshing to have a president who makes the right decisions instead of a criminal who let's tanman monasch run a mickey mouse operation. Good riddance.
Title: Re: Monasch Out
Post by: Dan on May 31, 2015, 11:48:38 AM
I heard Mullin wasn't coming had Monasch been retained

Why would Mullin care?  He would have bypassed Monasch completely and reported directly to Bobby.


Monasch had no say in the MULLIN hire. Zero. This has been in the works fro awhile

Which is why I'm surprised anyone would want the AD job. AD has little say with the basketball team.  I'm pretty sure if Manetta had his choice he would have hired Cal when he had the chance.

If the AD is the kings gm he's an alum with ties to carnesecca and mullin...he'll have a say, I'm sure.
Title: Re: Monasch Out
Post by: Marco Baldi on May 31, 2015, 11:51:31 AM
I read Monasch wanted to extend lavin and the new president overruled him. It's so refreshing to have a president who makes the right decisions instead of a criminal who let's tanman monasch run a mickey mouse operation. Good riddance.

This all would have happened a year ago, only the president was in transition
Title: Re: Monasch Out
Post by: JohnnyJungle on June 01, 2015, 11:01:13 AM
I read Monasch wanted to extend lavin and the new president overruled him. It's so refreshing to have a president who makes the right decisions instead of a criminal who let's tanman monasch run a mickey mouse operation. Good riddance.

What was Mickey Mouse about the athletic department over past 5 years?
Title: Re: Monasch Out
Post by: newsman13 on June 01, 2015, 01:47:40 PM
The ineptitude of the compliance department with no consequences stands out...otherwise, Monasch did a pretty decent job.
Title: Re: Monasch Out
Post by: stjohnnie75 on June 01, 2015, 01:59:15 PM
The ineptitude of the compliance department with no consequences stands out...otherwise, Monasch did a pretty decent job.

Are you just basing their ineptitude on 2 basketball players not qualifying or the other 100-150 student athletes that did qualify? Also, not sure what the compliance dept. could have done when both kids were cleared by the NCAA clearinghouse.
Title: Re: Monasch Out
Post by: JohnnyJungle on June 01, 2015, 02:02:37 PM
The ineptitude of the compliance department with no consequences stands out...otherwise, Monasch did a pretty decent job.

What was the ineptitude?
Title: Re: Monasch Out
Post by: erickthered on June 01, 2015, 02:06:09 PM
Dave, the one thing that comes to mind is losing the SJU trademark to st joes. And explain to me how channels like SNY promote uconn  mens and women's Bball.....and that was before fox sports. If you think this athletic dept was run as good as it could be that's sad.
Title: Re: Monasch Out
Post by: HowCouldUBeSoHarkless on June 01, 2015, 02:14:30 PM
I think people can't get past his really gross fake tan.
Title: Re: Monasch Out
Post by: newsman13 on June 01, 2015, 04:48:34 PM
The ineptitude of the compliance department with no consequences stands out...otherwise, Monasch did a pretty decent job.

Are you just basing their ineptitude on 2 basketball players not qualifying or the other 100-150 student athletes that did qualify? Also, not sure what the compliance dept. could have done when both kids were cleared by the NCAA clearinghouse.

Players not qualifying on more than the two occasions.  No need to go back.  As far as Thomas, though, it seems anyone who looked could have seen his transcript was a work of fiction.  No one apparently looked. 
Title: Re: Monasch Out
Post by: Moose on June 01, 2015, 08:16:36 PM
Dave, the one thing that comes to mind is losing the SJU trademark to st joes. And explain to me how channels like SNY promote uconn  mens and women's Bball.....and that was before fox sports. If you think this athletic dept was run as good as it could be that's sad.

Trademark is University not athletics
Title: Re: Monasch Out
Post by: sju89tr on June 01, 2015, 08:38:46 PM
Monasch did a decent job. No reason to take hits at him. It was time to start anew though in my opinion. 
Title: Re: Monasch Out
Post by: fordham96 on June 01, 2015, 08:40:50 PM
The ineptitude of the compliance department with no consequences stands out...otherwise, Monasch did a pretty decent job.

Are you just basing their ineptitude on 2 basketball players not qualifying or the other 100-150 student athletes that did qualify? Also, not sure what the compliance dept. could have done when both kids were cleared by the NCAA clearinghouse.

Players not qualifying on more than the two occasions.  No need to go back.  As far as Thomas, though, it seems anyone who looked could have seen his transcript was a work of fiction.  No one apparently looked. 

Well apparently the NCAA didn't look because they initially cleared him as well.  The same NCAA that cleared Derrick Rose as did Memphis despite months later it became clear he did not ever sit for his SAT's.
Title: Re: Monasch Out
Post by: WillieG on June 01, 2015, 08:42:33 PM
Dave, the one thing that comes to mind is losing the SJU trademark to st joes. And explain to me how channels like SNY promote uconn  mens and women's Bball.....and that was before fox sports. If you think this athletic dept was run as good as it could be that's sad.
You can't blame UConn getting a big deal with SNY on Monasch.  The state of Connecticut has more people then STJ has Alumni.  Add to that the fact that CT has no pro sports teams, so they are rabid UCONN fans.  A Catholic school can't compete with the University of Connecticut and it's entire commonwealth, unless you are Notre Dame.
Title: Re: Monasch Out
Post by: fordham96 on June 01, 2015, 09:09:12 PM
Yeah some of these complaints are complete nonsense.  If it happened he was responsible no matter what the facts say.
Title: Re: Monasch Out
Post by: nudginator59 on June 01, 2015, 09:22:31 PM
New President, time for a regime change...This is just a small part over a bigger university overhaul.

-One issue was that he didn't seem to have a plan after Roberts left and Lavin stepped in and saved he bacon...
-The Marquee program struggled underneath him as well. When the rubber meets the road your best program has to shine. Not saying it was all his fault  but he was responsible for it.
-Overall, did he help expand the SJU sports brand?

I heard that SJU was not a trademark issue it was Farther Harrington leaving his mark on the school. SJU started to use SJU again on everything else but sports...

Title: Re: Monasch Out
Post by: JohnnyJungle on June 01, 2015, 09:45:20 PM
Dave, the one thing that comes to mind is losing the SJU trademark to st joes. And explain to me how channels like SNY promote uconn  mens and women's Bball.....and that was before fox sports. If you think this athletic dept was run as good as it could be that's sad.

So the St. John's AD is responsible for the commercials of TV Networks? Super stretch.

I can understand if you thought SJU should have been on there instead but maybe it wasn't financially responsible? What if it didn't net good returns? There are a lot of unknown factors to public.
Title: Re: Monasch Out
Post by: redslope on June 01, 2015, 11:13:06 PM
Dave, the one thing that comes to mind is losing the SJU trademark to st joes. And explain to me how channels like SNY promote uconn  mens and women's Bball.....and that was before fox sports. If you think this athletic dept was run as good as it could be that's sad.

So the St. John's AD is responsible for the commercials of TV Networks? Super stretch.

I can understand if you thought SJU should have been on there instead but maybe it wasn't financially responsible? What if it didn't net good returns? There are a lot of unknown factors to public.

SNY signed U-con because of Comcast which dominates the Conn cable market.  By doing that signing they were able to get on Comcast and get good rates.  Had they signed us they might not have gotten into the Conn market.  There was no problem getting on TWC and Cablevision in the NYC?LI market neither of which needed SNY with U-con but wanted the Mets programing.  The SNYhows with U-con on TWC and Cablevision are probably very low rated.
Title: Re: Monasch Out
Post by: erickthered on June 02, 2015, 01:01:47 AM
Well i guess we'll see in a few years if Bobby G, Mullin and new AD take the university in a direction where it hasn't been in years and then we'll know if monasch realized the maximum potential of the sports program. I have a feeling the University will be far and away better off in the new direction in all areas.
Title: Re: Monasch Out
Post by: bball purist on June 02, 2015, 01:23:59 AM
Well i guess we'll see in a few years if Bobby G, Mullin and new AD take the university in a direction where it hasn't been in years and then we'll know if monasch realized the maximum potential of the sports program. I have a feeling the University will be far and away better off in the new direction in all areas.
You do realize you are altering your original point and bypassing what Dave pointed out.  The school was spending substantially more money for MBB when Lavin came in.
Title: Re: Monasch Out
Post by: newyorker2586 on June 02, 2015, 07:40:49 AM
Dave, the one thing that comes to mind is losing the SJU trademark to st joes. And explain to me how channels like SNY promote uconn  mens and women's Bball.....and that was before fox sports. If you think this athletic dept was run as good as it could be that's sad.

So the St. John's AD is responsible for the commercials of TV Networks? Super stretch.

I can understand if you thought SJU should have been on there instead but maybe it wasn't financially responsible? What if it didn't net good returns? There are a lot of unknown factors to public.

SNY signed U-con because of Comcast which dominates the Conn cable market.  By doing that signing they were able to get on Comcast and get good rates.  Had they signed us they might not have gotten into the Conn market.  There was no problem getting on TWC and Cablevision in the NYC?LI market neither of which needed SNY with U-con but wanted the Mets programing.  The SNYhows with U-con on TWC and Cablevision are probably very low rated.
Cablevision own Southern CT
Title: Re: Monasch Out
Post by: erickthered on June 02, 2015, 12:43:19 PM
Well if spending money on an army of asst coaches who obviously slowed down after the first year or two of recruiting is spending money wisely then i was wrong. And i was a lavin supporter but realize after the first couple of years he tailed off. I see what Chris and two of the best recruiters have accomplished in a couple of months and if some people in the know are correct that Mullin would not of come without a change of AD then there was a problem. I think we all agree that he and or the University kept Norm around to long. If i was wrong on the responsibility of the AD in helping brand and market the basketball program sorry, that person and or persons should be let go as well.
Title: Re: Monasch Out
Post by: JohnnyJungle on June 02, 2015, 02:13:06 PM
Well if spending money on an army of asst coaches who obviously slowed down after the first year or two of recruiting is spending money wisely then i was wrong. And i was a lavin supporter but realize after the first couple of years he tailed off. I see what Chris and two of the best recruiters have accomplished in a couple of months and if some people in the know are correct that Mullin would not of come without a change of AD then there was a problem. I think we all agree that he and or the University kept Norm around to long. If i was wrong on the responsibility of the AD in helping brand and market the basketball program sorry, that person and or persons should be let go as well.

So if 5 years ago I said you'd have....

-Upgraded facilities
- 2 mbb ncaa appearances
- 2 nba players
- new apparel deal

I'm sure majority of fans would sign up. I think where the problem exists is that people thought more goals were attainable and were not met due to negligence. I get that. I understand it and to a degree I agree with it too.

My point it wasn't BAD. It could simply be better.
Title: Re: Monasch Out
Post by: pmg911 on June 02, 2015, 03:42:37 PM
The ineptitude of the compliance department with no consequences stands out...otherwise, Monasch did a pretty decent job.

Are you just basing their ineptitude on 2 basketball players not qualifying or the other 100-150 student athletes that did qualify? Also, not sure what the compliance dept. could have done when both kids were cleared by the NCAA clearinghouse.

Players not qualifying on more than the two occasions.  No need to go back.  As far as Thomas, though, it seems anyone who looked could have seen his transcript was a work of fiction.  No one apparently looked. 

Well apparently the NCAA didn't look because they initially cleared him as well.  The same NCAA that cleared Derrick Rose as did Memphis despite months later it became clear he did not ever sit for his SAT's.

The same NCAA that cleared Keith Thomas last year too
Title: Re: Monasch Out
Post by: stjohnnie75 on June 02, 2015, 04:01:08 PM
The ineptitude of the compliance department with no consequences stands out...otherwise, Monasch did a pretty decent job.

Are you just basing their ineptitude on 2 basketball players not qualifying or the other 100-150 student athletes that did qualify? Also, not sure what the compliance dept. could have done when both kids were cleared by the NCAA clearinghouse.

Players not qualifying on more than the two occasions.  No need to go back.  As far as Thomas, though, it seems anyone who looked could have seen his transcript was a work of fiction.  No one apparently looked. 

Well apparently the NCAA didn't look because they initially cleared him as well.  The same NCAA that cleared Derrick Rose as did Memphis despite months later it became clear he did not ever sit for his SAT's.

The same NCAA that cleared Keith Thomas last year too

Correct. So if the player is cleared by the NCAA, I can't see why some feel our compliance dept. was at fault.
Title: Re: Monasch Out
Post by: newsman13 on June 02, 2015, 04:57:34 PM
Our compliance department has fewer transcripts to look through than the NCAA.  If you don't see this as a failure, we'll agree to disagree.
Title: Re: Monasch Out
Post by: nudginator59 on June 02, 2015, 09:27:02 PM
Well if spending money on an army of asst coaches who obviously slowed down after the first year or two of recruiting is spending money wisely then i was wrong. And i was a lavin supporter but realize after the first couple of years he tailed off. I see what Chris and two of the best recruiters have accomplished in a couple of months and if some people in the know are correct that Mullin would not of come without a change of AD then there was a problem. I think we all agree that he and or the University kept Norm around to long. If i was wrong on the responsibility of the AD in helping brand and market the basketball program sorry, that person and or persons should be let go as well.

So if 5 years ago I said you'd have....

-Upgraded facilities
- 2 mbb ncaa appearances
- 2 nba players
- new apparel deal

I'm sure majority of fans would sign up. I think where the problem exists is that people thought more goals were attainable and were not met due to negligence. I get that. I understand it and to a degree I agree with it too.

My point it wasn't BAD. It could simply better.
Monarch and Lavin were meant for each other, because this pretty much describes Lavin's tenure... Good but could do better.
The one major difference is that Monasch was an SJU grad and I would like to see more passion and bigger expectations for the program.
It's something to be said when the new President has more pride and passion then the Vincentians and alumni at the school. I'm glad he is bringing back (sparing no expense) for people to think of SJU in a brighter light and bigger picture.
Title: Re: Monasch Out
Post by: MCNPA on June 02, 2015, 10:57:20 PM
I was pretty ambivalent about Monasch because I don't know. Ugh about his role or lack thereof but I've heard stories.  I'm still extremely thankful for Conrado Gempesaw for ushering away the mediocrity that Harrington and Co. fostered here.  Gempesaw came in, axed a mediocre coach and AD, recognizing right away the need to reclaim our identity. 

Whether Gempesaw is right or wrong in the long run, we will find out. He is certainly listening to his alums and has his finger on the pulse of the SJU base.  I give him a lot of credit for that, and acting in a swift and decisive manner. 
Title: Re: Monasch Out
Post by: JohnnyJungle on June 03, 2015, 02:08:04 AM
Well if spending money on an army of asst coaches who obviously slowed down after the first year or two of recruiting is spending money wisely then i was wrong. And i was a lavin supporter but realize after the first couple of years he tailed off. I see what Chris and two of the best recruiters have accomplished in a couple of months and if some people in the know are correct that Mullin would not of come without a change of AD then there was a problem. I think we all agree that he and or the University kept Norm around to long. If i was wrong on the responsibility of the AD in helping brand and market the basketball program sorry, that person and or persons should be let go as well.

So if 5 years ago I said you'd have....

-Upgraded facilities
- 2 mbb ncaa appearances
- 2 nba players
- new apparel deal

I'm sure majority of fans would sign up. I think where the problem exists is that people thought more goals were attainable and were not met due to negligence. I get that. I understand it and to a degree I agree with it too.

My point it wasn't BAD. It could simply better.
Monarch and Lavin were meant for each other, because this pretty much describes Lavin's tenure... Good but could do better.
The one major difference is that Monasch was an SJU grad and I would like to see more passion and bigger expectations for the program.
It's something to be said when the new President has more pride and passion then the Vincentians and alumni at the school. I'm glad he is bringing back (sparing no expense) for people to think of SJU in a brighter light and bigger picture.

I guess I'm missing something. What expectations did you have Monasch where he fell short?

-Negotiated a lucrative apparel deal
-One of two schools who had their own TV network (Texas the other) and did it for fraction of cost
-Upgraded facilities on schedule
-Improved talent across board in all sports
-Increased attendance
-No major scandals (sorry I don't consider guys not qualifying scandals)
-St. John's communication, marketing, video, social, website are all very good

Overall I think he did a really good job and think that St. John's as a whole has elevated during his tenure. He wasn't exactly the most personable or upbeat guy but I'm not going to condemn him for that. He was always at every game and kept the ship steady.

Are the Philadelphia Eagles in any better of a spot with Chip Kelly than they were with Andy Reid?
Title: Re: Monasch Out
Post by: erickthered on June 03, 2015, 03:49:22 AM
Dave, speaking of upgrades can we lose the highlights of our NIT loss to UVA and the Jordan signing? its been 3 years now lol
Title: Re: Monasch Out
Post by: newsman13 on June 03, 2015, 07:47:32 AM
Well if spending money on an army of asst coaches who obviously slowed down after the first year or two of recruiting is spending money wisely then i was wrong. And i was a lavin supporter but realize after the first couple of years he tailed off. I see what Chris and two of the best recruiters have accomplished in a couple of months and if some people in the know are correct that Mullin would not of come without a change of AD then there was a problem. I think we all agree that he and or the University kept Norm around to long. If i was wrong on the responsibility of the AD in helping brand and market the basketball program sorry, that person and or persons should be let go as well.

So if 5 years ago I said you'd have....

-Upgraded facilities
- 2 mbb ncaa appearances
- 2 nba players
- new apparel deal

I'm sure majority of fans would sign up. I think where the problem exists is that people thought more goals were attainable and were not met due to negligence. I get that. I understand it and to a degree I agree with it too.

My point it wasn't BAD. It could simply better.
Monarch and Lavin were meant for each other, because this pretty much describes Lavin's tenure... Good but could do better.
The one major difference is that Monasch was an SJU grad and I would like to see more passion and bigger expectations for the program.
It's something to be said when the new President has more pride and passion then the Vincentians and alumni at the school. I'm glad he is bringing back (sparing no expense) for people to think of SJU in a brighter light and bigger picture.

I guess I'm missing something. What expectations did you have Monasch where he fell short?

-Negotiated a lucrative apparel deal
-One of two schools who had their own TV network (Texas the other) and did it for fraction of cost
-Upgraded facilities on schedule
-Improved talent across board in all sports
-Increased attendance
-No major scandals (sorry I don't consider guys not qualifying scandals)
-St. John's communication, marketing, video, social, website are all very good

Overall I think he did a really good job and think that St. John's as a whole has elevated during his tenure. He wasn't exactly the most personable or upbeat guy but I'm not going to condemn him for that. He was always at every game and kept the ship steady.


I completely agree with what you wrote.  I nit picked about the compliance department...but maybe Monasch preferred not to get rid of people.  I never thought he should be let go. 
Title: Re: Monasch Out
Post by: Celtics11 on June 03, 2015, 08:41:43 AM
Dave, to compare the Texas network (Longhorn Network) which is on 24/7 and carried country wide with SJU's which what, produces a few hoop games per year and little else is pure folly.
Title: Re: Monasch Out
Post by: Tha Kid on June 03, 2015, 10:10:36 AM
Dave, to compare the Texas network (Longhorn Network) which is on 24/7 and carried country wide with SJU's which what, produces a few hoop games per year and little else is pure folly.

Dave made a lot of good points, but yeah, let's not pretend we are in a group of 2 with Texas.  It's a group of 1 - Texas.  Then we happened to do something similar but extremely different and lesser - still great and its an accomplishment, but not like Texas...

Title: Re: Monasch Out
Post by: nudginator59 on June 03, 2015, 01:04:37 PM
I said he was like Lavin, and I don't think Lavin was a failure, either. Texas is a name brand school, SJU is not even dominant in their own city.

Wasn't one if his guys scalping tickets? Does that count as a scandal?

-Overall Bobby is bringing in his own folks and he is trying to make the SJU profile bigger...Bringing somebody from the Kings who is a SJU grad is a pretty big splash.
-SJU Business school is undergoing a complete overhaul as well so it's not just at the Atheltic department.
Title: Re: Monasch Out
Post by: paultzman on June 10, 2015, 01:15:40 PM

@WojYahooNBA: Sacramento Kings GM Pete D'Alessandro has accepted a high-ranking front office job with Josh Kroenke in Denver, league sources tell Yahoo.

@WojYahooNBA: D'Alessandro had chance to become athletic director at alma mater, St. John's, but chose the reunion with Denver organization, sources said.
Title: Re: Monasch Out
Post by: apesNapes on June 10, 2015, 01:58:19 PM

@WojYahooNBA: Sacramento Kings GM Pete D'Alessandro has accepted a high-ranking front office job with Josh Kroenke in Denver, league sources tell Yahoo.

@WojYahooNBA: D'Alessandro had chance to become athletic director at alma mater, St. John's, but chose the reunion with Denver organization, sources said.
Smart move. Wish him the best.

Made there any ADs at smaller local school's that are considered up and comers?
Title: Re: Monasch Out
Post by: newyorker2586 on June 10, 2015, 02:53:04 PM
Bring the old stony brook ad I know he has baggage I think he would be solid here
Title: Re: Monasch Out
Post by: Moose on June 10, 2015, 04:16:18 PM
Bring the old stony brook ad I know he has baggage I think he would be solid here

You just got rid of an AD who was with the softball coach and now you want to bring in an AD who was accused of being with someone under him?
Title: Re: Monasch Out
Post by: Foad on June 10, 2015, 05:10:45 PM
Bring the old stony brook ad I know he has baggage I think he would be solid here

You just got rid of an AD who was with the softball coach and now you want to bring in an AD who was accused of being with someone under him?

Better a top than a bottom.
Title: Re: Monasch Out
Post by: paultzman on June 12, 2015, 07:46:40 PM
@SammyAlbano: What former @nba suit  @nyknicks coach & now conference exec has name in discussions for @StJohnsRedStorm AD job? Just asking!

Stu Jackson
Title: Re: Monasch Out
Post by: bball purist on June 12, 2015, 08:20:51 PM
@SammyAlbano: What former @nba suit  @nyknicks coach & now conference exec has name in discussions for @StJohnsRedStorm AD job? Just asking!

Stu Jackson
What????? Whoa.... that would be a good hire if it ever happens
Title: Re: Monasch Out
Post by: JohnnyJungle on June 12, 2015, 08:44:35 PM
@SammyAlbano: What former @nba suit  @nyknicks coach & now conference exec has name in discussions for @StJohnsRedStorm AD job? Just asking!

Stu Jackson
What????? Whoa.... that would be a good hire if it ever happens

What would make him a great hire?
Title: Re: Monasch Out
Post by: stjohnnie75 on June 12, 2015, 09:30:41 PM
I sat next to Stu and I assume his wife at the Gonzaga game.
Title: Re: Monasch Out
Post by: paultzman on June 30, 2015, 03:28:05 PM
http://www.redstormsports.com/genrel/063015aaa.html
Title: Re: Monasch Out
Post by: newsman13 on July 01, 2015, 10:43:08 AM
I assume they need a legal guy in the meantime to sign on the new AD once he comes on board.