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Title: Annual Overly Optimistic Stat Prediction:
Post by: Poison on September 11, 2014, 05:32:12 PM
Hope springs eternal in October.

Starters:

Harrison - SG, 17 ppg, 5.3 rebounds (ices the game in Syracuse w free throws)
Jordan - PG, 12.5 ppg, 6.5 assists, 3.1 steals (improves to one of the best guards in the nation)
Jones - SF 7.2 ppg, 4.5 rebounds, 4 assists (52% from the floor)
Thomas - PF 5.2 ppg, 9.5 rebounds (45% from the line, but he mixes it up inside, and fights for the ball)
Obepka - C 5.5 ppg, 5.2 rebounds, 6 blocks (blocks 10 shots at MSG vs Duke)

Key Reserves:

Greene - SG 8 ppg, 1 assist, 3 boards (whether he starts or comes off the bench, I see him playing at the level, which was much improved last year)
Branch - PG 2.5 ppg, 3 assists (Still out of control)
Pointer - SF/PF 2 ppg, 4 rebounds, 1.5 assists (still a poorly behaved small child)
Delarosa C 3.5 ppg, 4.8 rebounds, 40% from the free throw line, 3.5 fouls (shows a good touch, but he has trouble staying out of foul trouble)

Not So Key Reserves:

Balamou SF 1.2 ppg, 1.5 rebounds (needs to impress early to get into a game)
Henderson SG 6 ppg, 45% from 3 (wouldn't surprise me to see Lavin give him a chance to help us beat the zone)
Alibegovic SF 3.1 ppg, 1 rebound, 2 fouls (Goes off on Franklin Pierce for 15 off the bench causing many of us including myself to predict greatness in 15-16)
Stewart SG 2.2 ppg, 1 rebound (no idea about this kid)
Lipscomb PG 0.5 ppg, 1.1 assist
Title: Re: Annual Overly Optimistic Stat Prediction:
Post by: Foad on September 11, 2014, 05:58:09 PM

Hope springs eternal in October.

Starters:

Harrison - SG, 17 ppg, 5.3 rebounds (ices the game in Syracuse w free throws)
Jordan - PG, 12.5 ppg, 6.5 assists, 3.1 steals (improves to one of the best guards in the nation)
Jones - SF 7.2 ppg, 4.5 rebounds, 4 assists (52% from the floor)
Thomas - PF 5.2 ppg, 9.5 rebounds (45% from the line, but he mixes it up inside, and fights for the ball)
Obepka - C 5.5 ppg, 5.2 rebounds, 6 blocks (blocks 10 shots at MSG vs Duke)

Key Reserves:

Greene - SG 8 ppg, 1 assist, 3 boards (whether he starts or comes off the bench, I see him playing at the level, which was much improved last year)
Branch - PG 2.5 ppg, 3 assists (Still out of control)
Pointer - SF/PF 2 ppg, 4 rebounds, 1.5 assists (still a poorly behaved small child)
Delarosa C 3.5 ppg, 4.8 rebounds, 40% from the free throw line, 3.5 fouls (shows a good touch, but he has trouble staying out of foul trouble)

Not So Key Reserves:

Balamou SF 1.2 ppg, 1.5 rebounds (needs to impress early to get into a game)
Henderson SG 6 ppg, 45% from 3 (wouldn't surprise me to see Lavin give him a chance to help us beat the zone)
Alibegovic SF 3.1 ppg, 1 rebound, 2 fouls (Goes off on Franklin Pierce for 15 off the bench causing many of us including myself to predict greatness in 15-16)
Stewart SG 2.2 ppg, 1 rebound (no idea about this kid)
Lipscomb PG 0.5 ppg, 1.1 assist



Over: Thomas, DeLarosa, Jones

Under: Obekpa, Balamou, possibly Jordan

The rest surprisingly reasonable

Title: Re: Annual Overly Optimistic Stat Prediction:
Post by: Poison on September 11, 2014, 06:25:52 PM

Hope springs eternal in October.

Starters:

Harrison - SG, 17 ppg, 5.3 rebounds (ices the game in Syracuse w free throws)
Jordan - PG, 12.5 ppg, 6.5 assists, 3.1 steals (improves to one of the best guards in the nation)
Jones - SF 7.2 ppg, 4.5 rebounds, 4 assists (52% from the floor)
Thomas - PF 5.2 ppg, 9.5 rebounds (45% from the line, but he mixes it up inside, and fights for the ball)
Obepka - C 5.5 ppg, 5.2 rebounds, 6 blocks (blocks 10 shots at MSG vs Duke)

Key Reserves:

Greene - SG 8 ppg, 1 assist, 3 boards (whether he starts or comes off the bench, I see him playing at the level, which was much improved last year)
Branch - PG 2.5 ppg, 3 assists (Still out of control)
Pointer - SF/PF 2 ppg, 4 rebounds, 1.5 assists (still a poorly behaved small child)
Delarosa C 3.5 ppg, 4.8 rebounds, 40% from the free throw line, 3.5 fouls (shows a good touch, but he has trouble staying out of foul trouble)

Not So Key Reserves:

Balamou SF 1.2 ppg, 1.5 rebounds (needs to impress early to get into a game)
Henderson SG 6 ppg, 45% from 3 (wouldn't surprise me to see Lavin give him a chance to help us beat the zone)
Alibegovic SF 3.1 ppg, 1 rebound, 2 fouls (Goes off on Franklin Pierce for 15 off the bench causing many of us including myself to predict greatness in 15-16)
Stewart SG 2.2 ppg, 1 rebound (no idea about this kid)
Lipscomb PG 0.5 ppg, 1.1 assist



Over: Thomas, DeLarosa, Jones

Under: Obekpa, Balamou, possibly Jordan

The rest surprisingly reasonable



Also, the numbers that I posted are not considering the mid season line up change, which with Lavin, is more than likely, just because. A kid like Henderson could not see a minute for the first 10 games, and then, if we're struggling to hit threes, he'll get a shot, and his numbers would replace a guy like Branch. So, we'd possibly trade 2.5 ppg for 6 ppg. Not unlikely IMO. 
Title: Re: Annual Overly Optimistic Stat Prediction:
Post by: HowCouldUBeSoHarkless on September 11, 2014, 06:45:41 PM
Delarosa was a good FT shooter at CK, I think that will help him get more playing time backing up Obekpa. Also Branch backing up Jordan is one of the most important things, when Greene or Harrison have to play PG things get messy out there, ball doesn't move as well.

I feel like I feel this way every year but, I'm optimistic.
Title: Re: Annual Overly Optimistic Stat Prediction:
Post by: Amaseinyourface2 on September 11, 2014, 07:34:38 PM
Hope springs eternal in October.

Starters:

Harrison - SG, 17 ppg, 5.3 rebounds (ices the game in Syracuse w free throws)
Jordan - PG, 12.5 ppg, 6.5 assists, 3.1 steals (improves to one of the best guards in the nation)
Jones - SF 7.2 ppg, 4.5 rebounds, 4 assists (52% from the floor)
Thomas - PF 5.2 ppg, 9.5 rebounds (45% from the line, but he mixes it up inside, and fights for the ball)
Obepka - C 5.5 ppg, 5.2 rebounds, 6 blocks (blocks 10 shots at MSG vs Duke)

Key Reserves:

Greene - SG 8 ppg, 1 assist, 3 boards (whether he starts or comes off the bench, I see him playing at the level, which was much improved last year)
Branch - PG 2.5 ppg, 3 assists (Still out of control)
Pointer - SF/PF 2 ppg, 4 rebounds, 1.5 assists (still a poorly behaved small child)
Delarosa C 3.5 ppg, 4.8 rebounds, 40% from the free throw line, 3.5 fouls (shows a good touch, but he has trouble staying out of foul trouble)

Not So Key Reserves:

Balamou SF 1.2 ppg, 1.5 rebounds (needs to impress early to get into a game)
Henderson SG 6 ppg, 45% from 3 (wouldn't surprise me to see Lavin give him a chance to help us beat the zone)
Alibegovic SF 3.1 ppg, 1 rebound, 2 fouls (Goes off on Franklin Pierce for 15 off the bench causing many of us including myself to predict greatness in 15-16)
Stewart SG 2.2 ppg, 1 rebound (no idea about this kid)
Lipscomb PG 0.5 ppg, 1.1 assist


I know youre being way optomistic but some things that are just out of this world/never gonna happen this year:

Jones averaging 4 assists, like him as a passer but that is a huuuge number.

Greene averaging 3 rebounds. Hes not a good rebounder as is and our other guards are really really good rebounders.

Henderson averaging 6 pts. If heres gonna be a walkon that helps us my bet is on Stewart.

Lipscomb average 1.1 assists.
Title: Re: Annual Overly Optimistic Stat Prediction:
Post by: Gray Chudney on September 11, 2014, 08:31:17 PM
This exercise kind of annoys me every year.  Lipscomb could play in 2 games and score 6 total points and dish 3 total assists. His per game averages would then be 3 ppg and 1.5 apg.
Title: Re: Annual Overly Optimistic Stat Prediction:
Post by: Marillac on September 11, 2014, 08:58:39 PM
Hope springs eternal in October.

Starters:

Harrison - SG, 17 ppg, 5.3 rebounds (ices the game in Syracuse w free throws)
Jordan - PG, 12.5 ppg, 6.5 assists, 3.1 steals (improves to one of the best guards in the nation)
Jones - SF 7.2 ppg, 4.5 rebounds, 4 assists (52% from the floor)
Thomas - PF 5.2 ppg, 9.5 rebounds (45% from the line, but he mixes it up inside, and fights for the ball)
Obepka - C 5.5 ppg, 5.2 rebounds, 6 blocks (blocks 10 shots at MSG vs Duke)

Key Reserves:

Greene - SG 8 ppg, 1 assist, 3 boards (whether he starts or comes off the bench, I see him playing at the level, which was much improved last year)
Branch - PG 2.5 ppg, 3 assists (Still out of control)
Pointer - SF/PF 2 ppg, 4 rebounds, 1.5 assists (still a poorly behaved small child)
Delarosa C 3.5 ppg, 4.8 rebounds, 40% from the free throw line, 3.5 fouls (shows a good touch, but he has trouble staying out of foul trouble)

Not So Key Reserves:

Balamou SF 1.2 ppg, 1.5 rebounds (needs to impress early to get into a game)
Henderson SG 6 ppg, 45% from 3 (wouldn't surprise me to see Lavin give him a chance to help us beat the zone)
Alibegovic SF 3.1 ppg, 1 rebound, 2 fouls (Goes off on Franklin Pierce for 15 off the bench causing many of us including myself to predict greatness in 15-16)
Stewart SG 2.2 ppg, 1 rebound (no idea about this kid)
Lipscomb PG 0.5 ppg, 1.1 assist


You think Henderson will score 6 points per game?  Maybe six points all season.  You are also too high on Stewart.  We have  four very good guards and a SF that has played over 20 mpg for three seasons.  Walkons don't just play over those types.
You overshot Delarosa and you are too low on Obekpa except for blocks.  Six?  Really?

And when is Branch out of control?  He makes lazy passes and tries to be too fancy, but he's always in control.
Title: Re: Annual Overly Optimistic Stat Prediction:
Post by: redstorm212 on September 11, 2014, 09:03:56 PM
Has anyone ever averaged more blocks than rebounds?
Title: Re: Annual Overly Optimistic Stat Prediction:
Post by: desco80 on September 11, 2014, 10:54:21 PM
Ill take the over on branch's numbers.   This year he'll finally get the playing time he deserves. 
Title: Re: Annual Overly Optimistic Stat Prediction:
Post by: Marillac on September 11, 2014, 11:16:44 PM
And apparently we are averaging over 40 rebounds a game as a team in his scenario.
Title: Re: Annual Overly Optimistic Stat Prediction:
Post by: Poison on September 11, 2014, 11:19:46 PM
Hope springs eternal in October.

Starters:

Harrison - SG, 17 ppg, 5.3 rebounds (ices the game in Syracuse w free throws)
Jordan - PG, 12.5 ppg, 6.5 assists, 3.1 steals (improves to one of the best guards in the nation)
Jones - SF 7.2 ppg, 4.5 rebounds, 4 assists (52% from the floor)
Thomas - PF 5.2 ppg, 9.5 rebounds (45% from the line, but he mixes it up inside, and fights for the ball)
Obepka - C 5.5 ppg, 5.2 rebounds, 6 blocks (blocks 10 shots at MSG vs Duke)

Key Reserves:

Greene - SG 8 ppg, 1 assist, 3 boards (whether he starts or comes off the bench, I see him playing at the level, which was much improved last year)
Branch - PG 2.5 ppg, 3 assists (Still out of control)
Pointer - SF/PF 2 ppg, 4 rebounds, 1.5 assists (still a poorly behaved small child)
Delarosa C 3.5 ppg, 4.8 rebounds, 40% from the free throw line, 3.5 fouls (shows a good touch, but he has trouble staying out of foul trouble)

Not So Key Reserves:

Balamou SF 1.2 ppg, 1.5 rebounds (needs to impress early to get into a game)
Henderson SG 6 ppg, 45% from 3 (wouldn't surprise me to see Lavin give him a chance to help us beat the zone)
Alibegovic SF 3.1 ppg, 1 rebound, 2 fouls (Goes off on Franklin Pierce for 15 off the bench causing many of us including myself to predict greatness in 15-16)
Stewart SG 2.2 ppg, 1 rebound (no idea about this kid)
Lipscomb PG 0.5 ppg, 1.1 assist


I know youre being way optomistic but some things that are just out of this world/never gonna happen this year:

Jones averaging 4 assists, like him as a passer but that is a huuuge number.

Greene averaging 3 rebounds. Hes not a good rebounder as is and our other guards are really really good rebounders.

Henderson averaging 6 pts. If heres gonna be a walkon that helps us my bet is on Stewart.

Lipscomb average 1.1 assists.


If Lipscomb plays in 4 games, and he drops a few dimes in garbage time, he can average 1.1 assists. Stats are misleading. These players can put up these numbers, but if they sit for entire game it won't hurt their game average.
Title: Re: Annual Overly Optimistic Stat Prediction:
Post by: Poison on September 11, 2014, 11:31:08 PM
This exercise kind of annoys me every year.  Lipscomb could play in 2 games and score 6 total points and dish 3 total assists. His per game averages would then be 3 ppg and 1.5 apg.


It's true, and I acknowledge that. I expect one of Henderson or Stewart to get some PT early. And considering how much trouble we always seem to have with a zone, it makes sense when you graduate 3 players who you relied on for 3 point shooting, and add one, a Bosnian kid who looks like the second coming of Tomas Jasuloines. Henderson was a 3 star recruit. How do we know he can or can't play? If he can contribute at all, he's a gem.
Title: Re: Annual Overly Optimistic Stat Prediction:
Post by: Marillac on September 12, 2014, 01:03:10 AM
I'll give it a go.

Harrison - 18.0 points, 3.4 boards, 1.9 assists
Jordan - 12.4 points, 3.8 boards, 4.4 assists
Greene - 10.1 points, 2.1 boards, 1.5 assists
Branch - 6.5 points, 2.1 board, 2.3 assists
Obekpa - 8.1 points, 6.5 boards, 3.5 blocks
Thomas - 7.0 points 8.0 boards. 1.5 assists
Pointer - 4.5 points, 3.5 boards
Jones - 4.0 points, 3.0 boards

Balamou - Depends on what chance coach gives him; not hopeful this season
Don't expect much: Bosnian kid, walkons, ADR, JDR
Title: Re: Annual Overly Optimistic Stat Prediction:
Post by: paultzman on September 12, 2014, 09:55:10 AM
I'll give it a go.

Harrison - 18.0 points, 3.4 boards, 1.9 assists
Jordan - 12.4 points, 3.8 boards, 4.4 assists
Greene - 10.1 points, 2.1 boards, 1.5 assists
Branch - 6.5 points, 2.1 board, 2.3 assists
Obekpa - 8.1 points, 6.5 boards, 3.5 blocks
Thomas - 7.0 points 8.0 boards. 1.5 assists
Pointer - 4.5 points, 3.5 boards
Jones - 4.0 points, 3.0 boards

Balamou - Depends on what chance coach gives him; not hopeful this season
Don't expect much: Bosnian kid, walkons, ADR, JDR

Reasonable list Marillac. Btw, poor Felix better get that year back. What a shame if he doesn't.
Title: Re: Annual Overly Optimistic Stat Prediction:
Post by: Poison on September 12, 2014, 10:05:29 AM
Hope springs eternal in October.

Starters:

Harrison - SG, 17 ppg, 5.3 rebounds (ices the game in Syracuse w free throws)
Jordan - PG, 12.5 ppg, 6.5 assists, 3.1 steals (improves to one of the best guards in the nation)
Jones - SF 7.2 ppg, 4.5 rebounds, 4 assists (52% from the floor)
Thomas - PF 5.2 ppg, 9.5 rebounds (45% from the line, but he mixes it up inside, and fights for the ball)
Obepka - C 5.5 ppg, 5.2 rebounds, 6 blocks (blocks 10 shots at MSG vs Duke)

Key Reserves:

Greene - SG 8 ppg, 1 assist, 3 boards (whether he starts or comes off the bench, I see him playing at the level, which was much improved last year)
Branch - PG 2.5 ppg, 3 assists (Still out of control)
Pointer - SF/PF 2 ppg, 4 rebounds, 1.5 assists (still a poorly behaved small child)
Delarosa C 3.5 ppg, 4.8 rebounds, 40% from the free throw line, 3.5 fouls (shows a good touch, but he has trouble staying out of foul trouble)

Not So Key Reserves:

Balamou SF 1.2 ppg, 1.5 rebounds (needs to impress early to get into a game)
Henderson SG 6 ppg, 45% from 3 (wouldn't surprise me to see Lavin give him a chance to help us beat the zone)
Alibegovic SF 3.1 ppg, 1 rebound, 2 fouls (Goes off on Franklin Pierce for 15 off the bench causing many of us including myself to predict greatness in 15-16)
Stewart SG 2.2 ppg, 1 rebound (no idea about this kid)
Lipscomb PG 0.5 ppg, 1.1 assist


You think Henderson will score 6 points per game?  Maybe six points all season.  You are also too high on Stewart.  We have  four very good guards and a SF that has played over 20 mpg for three seasons.  Walkons don't just play over those types.
You overshot Delarosa and you are too low on Obekpa except for blocks.  Six?  Really?

And when is Branch out of control?  He makes lazy passes and tries to be too fancy, but he's always in control.


Jay Henderson, according to Yahoo Sports, had ships from the following schools: Dayton, Florida State, Mississippi State, Purdue, Seton Hall, St.Josephs and Stanford. What do all of those schools have in common? They are better than we are. I'm betting he's good enough to play in the BE. How good? No idea, but better than a walk on.
Title: Re: Annual Overly Optimistic Stat Prediction:
Post by: Gray Chudney on September 12, 2014, 11:16:32 AM
Hope springs eternal in October.

Starters:

Harrison - SG, 17 ppg, 5.3 rebounds (ices the game in Syracuse w free throws)
Jordan - PG, 12.5 ppg, 6.5 assists, 3.1 steals (improves to one of the best guards in the nation)
Jones - SF 7.2 ppg, 4.5 rebounds, 4 assists (52% from the floor)
Thomas - PF 5.2 ppg, 9.5 rebounds (45% from the line, but he mixes it up inside, and fights for the ball)
Obepka - C 5.5 ppg, 5.2 rebounds, 6 blocks (blocks 10 shots at MSG vs Duke)

Key Reserves:

Greene - SG 8 ppg, 1 assist, 3 boards (whether he starts or comes off the bench, I see him playing at the level, which was much improved last year)
Branch - PG 2.5 ppg, 3 assists (Still out of control)
Pointer - SF/PF 2 ppg, 4 rebounds, 1.5 assists (still a poorly behaved small child)
Delarosa C 3.5 ppg, 4.8 rebounds, 40% from the free throw line, 3.5 fouls (shows a good touch, but he has trouble staying out of foul trouble)

Not So Key Reserves:

Balamou SF 1.2 ppg, 1.5 rebounds (needs to impress early to get into a game)
Henderson SG 6 ppg, 45% from 3 (wouldn't surprise me to see Lavin give him a chance to help us beat the zone)
Alibegovic SF 3.1 ppg, 1 rebound, 2 fouls (Goes off on Franklin Pierce for 15 off the bench causing many of us including myself to predict greatness in 15-16)
Stewart SG 2.2 ppg, 1 rebound (no idea about this kid)
Lipscomb PG 0.5 ppg, 1.1 assist


You think Henderson will score 6 points per game?  Maybe six points all season.  You are also too high on Stewart.  We have  four very good guards and a SF that has played over 20 mpg for three seasons.  Walkons don't just play over those types.
You overshot Delarosa and you are too low on Obekpa except for blocks.  Six?  Really?

And when is Branch out of control?  He makes lazy passes and tries to be too fancy, but he's always in control.


Jay Henderson, according to Yahoo Sports, had ships from the following schools: Dayton, Florida State, Mississippi State, Purdue, Seton Hall, St.Josephs and Stanford. What do all of those schools have in common? They are better than we are. I'm betting he's good enough to play in the BE. How good? No idea, but better than a walk on.
You think Miss State, Purdue, Hall and St. Joe's are better than we are?  I do get your point, though.  At this point, Henderson is starting next year
Title: Re: Annual Overly Optimistic Stat Prediction:
Post by: Marillac on September 12, 2014, 12:39:41 PM
Hope springs eternal in October.

Starters:

Harrison - SG, 17 ppg, 5.3 rebounds (ices the game in Syracuse w free throws)
Jordan - PG, 12.5 ppg, 6.5 assists, 3.1 steals (improves to one of the best guards in the nation)
Jones - SF 7.2 ppg, 4.5 rebounds, 4 assists (52% from the floor)
Thomas - PF 5.2 ppg, 9.5 rebounds (45% from the line, but he mixes it up inside, and fights for the ball)
Obepka - C 5.5 ppg, 5.2 rebounds, 6 blocks (blocks 10 shots at MSG vs Duke)

Key Reserves:

Greene - SG 8 ppg, 1 assist, 3 boards (whether he starts or comes off the bench, I see him playing at the level, which was much improved last year)
Branch - PG 2.5 ppg, 3 assists (Still out of control)
Pointer - SF/PF 2 ppg, 4 rebounds, 1.5 assists (still a poorly behaved small child)
Delarosa C 3.5 ppg, 4.8 rebounds, 40% from the free throw line, 3.5 fouls (shows a good touch, but he has trouble staying out of foul trouble)

Not So Key Reserves:

Balamou SF 1.2 ppg, 1.5 rebounds (needs to impress early to get into a game)
Henderson SG 6 ppg, 45% from 3 (wouldn't surprise me to see Lavin give him a chance to help us beat the zone)
Alibegovic SF 3.1 ppg, 1 rebound, 2 fouls (Goes off on Franklin Pierce for 15 off the bench causing many of us including myself to predict greatness in 15-16)
Stewart SG 2.2 ppg, 1 rebound (no idea about this kid)
Lipscomb PG 0.5 ppg, 1.1 assist


You think Henderson will score 6 points per game?  Maybe six points all season.  You are also too high on Stewart.  We have  four very good guards and a SF that has played over 20 mpg for three seasons.  Walkons don't just play over those types.
You overshot Delarosa and you are too low on Obekpa except for blocks.  Six?  Really?

And when is Branch out of control?  He makes lazy passes and tries to be too fancy, but he's always in control.


Jay Henderson, according to Yahoo Sports, had ships from the following schools: Dayton, Florida State, Mississippi State, Purdue, Seton Hall, St.Josephs and Stanford. What do all of those schools have in common? They are better than we are. I'm betting he's good enough to play in the BE. How good? No idea, but better than a walk on.
You think Miss State, Purdue, Hall and St. Joe's are better than we are?  I do get your point, though.  At this point, Henderson is starting next year

This is sarcasm, right?
Freshman don't usually displace seniors...freshman walkons are even far less likely to do that.  All of the guys you think Henderson will start over had scholarships from those types of schools and better. 

Henderson is somewhere north of a typical walkon and south of a true Big East contributor at this point.  I think we have three unusually good walkons with Henderson, Stewart, and Lipscomb.  It should really make this team better due to increased competition in practice.

Title: Re: Annual Overly Optimistic Stat Prediction:
Post by: Gray Chudney on September 12, 2014, 01:54:55 PM
Hope springs eternal in October.

Starters:

Harrison - SG, 17 ppg, 5.3 rebounds (ices the game in Syracuse w free throws)
Jordan - PG, 12.5 ppg, 6.5 assists, 3.1 steals (improves to one of the best guards in the nation)
Jones - SF 7.2 ppg, 4.5 rebounds, 4 assists (52% from the floor)
Thomas - PF 5.2 ppg, 9.5 rebounds (45% from the line, but he mixes it up inside, and fights for the ball)
Obepka - C 5.5 ppg, 5.2 rebounds, 6 blocks (blocks 10 shots at MSG vs Duke)

Key Reserves:

Greene - SG 8 ppg, 1 assist, 3 boards (whether he starts or comes off the bench, I see him playing at the level, which was much improved last year)
Branch - PG 2.5 ppg, 3 assists (Still out of control)
Pointer - SF/PF 2 ppg, 4 rebounds, 1.5 assists (still a poorly behaved small child)
Delarosa C 3.5 ppg, 4.8 rebounds, 40% from the free throw line, 3.5 fouls (shows a good touch, but he has trouble staying out of foul trouble)

Not So Key Reserves:

Balamou SF 1.2 ppg, 1.5 rebounds (needs to impress early to get into a game)
Henderson SG 6 ppg, 45% from 3 (wouldn't surprise me to see Lavin give him a chance to help us beat the zone)
Alibegovic SF 3.1 ppg, 1 rebound, 2 fouls (Goes off on Franklin Pierce for 15 off the bench causing many of us including myself to predict greatness in 15-16)
Stewart SG 2.2 ppg, 1 rebound (no idea about this kid)
Lipscomb PG 0.5 ppg, 1.1 assist


You think Henderson will score 6 points per game?  Maybe six points all season.  You are also too high on Stewart.  We have  four very good guards and a SF that has played over 20 mpg for three seasons.  Walkons don't just play over those types.
You overshot Delarosa and you are too low on Obekpa except for blocks.  Six?  Really?

And when is Branch out of control?  He makes lazy passes and tries to be too fancy, but he's always in control.


Jay Henderson, according to Yahoo Sports, had ships from the following schools: Dayton, Florida State, Mississippi State, Purdue, Seton Hall, St.Josephs and Stanford. What do all of those schools have in common? They are better than we are. I'm betting he's good enough to play in the BE. How good? No idea, but better than a walk on.
You think Miss State, Purdue, Hall and St. Joe's are better than we are?  I do get your point, though.  At this point, Henderson is starting next year

This is sarcasm, right?
Freshman don't usually displace seniors...freshman walkons are even far less likely to do that.  All of the guys you think Henderson will start over had scholarships from those types of schools and better. 

Henderson is somewhere north of a typical walkon and south of a true Big East contributor at this point.  I think we have three unusually good walkons with Henderson, Stewart, and Lipscomb.  It should really make this team better due to increased competition in practice.


I was speaking of the 2015-16 season.  At present, only guard on scholarship is Balamou
Title: Re: Annual Overly Optimistic Stat Prediction:
Post by: Amaseinyourface2 on September 12, 2014, 01:57:37 PM
Hope springs eternal in October.

Starters:

Harrison - SG, 17 ppg, 5.3 rebounds (ices the game in Syracuse w free throws)
Jordan - PG, 12.5 ppg, 6.5 assists, 3.1 steals (improves to one of the best guards in the nation)
Jones - SF 7.2 ppg, 4.5 rebounds, 4 assists (52% from the floor)
Thomas - PF 5.2 ppg, 9.5 rebounds (45% from the line, but he mixes it up inside, and fights for the ball)
Obepka - C 5.5 ppg, 5.2 rebounds, 6 blocks (blocks 10 shots at MSG vs Duke)

Key Reserves:

Greene - SG 8 ppg, 1 assist, 3 boards (whether he starts or comes off the bench, I see him playing at the level, which was much improved last year)
Branch - PG 2.5 ppg, 3 assists (Still out of control)
Pointer - SF/PF 2 ppg, 4 rebounds, 1.5 assists (still a poorly behaved small child)
Delarosa C 3.5 ppg, 4.8 rebounds, 40% from the free throw line, 3.5 fouls (shows a good touch, but he has trouble staying out of foul trouble)

Not So Key Reserves:

Balamou SF 1.2 ppg, 1.5 rebounds (needs to impress early to get into a game)
Henderson SG 6 ppg, 45% from 3 (wouldn't surprise me to see Lavin give him a chance to help us beat the zone)
Alibegovic SF 3.1 ppg, 1 rebound, 2 fouls (Goes off on Franklin Pierce for 15 off the bench causing many of us including myself to predict greatness in 15-16)
Stewart SG 2.2 ppg, 1 rebound (no idea about this kid)
Lipscomb PG 0.5 ppg, 1.1 assist


You think Henderson will score 6 points per game?  Maybe six points all season.  You are also too high on Stewart.  We have  four very good guards and a SF that has played over 20 mpg for three seasons.  Walkons don't just play over those types.
You overshot Delarosa and you are too low on Obekpa except for blocks.  Six?  Really?

And when is Branch out of control?  He makes lazy passes and tries to be too fancy, but he's always in control.


Jay Henderson, according to Yahoo Sports, had ships from the following schools: Dayton, Florida State, Mississippi State, Purdue, Seton Hall, St.Josephs and Stanford. What do all of those schools have in common? They are better than we are. I'm betting he's good enough to play in the BE. How good? No idea, but better than a walk on.
You think Miss State, Purdue, Hall and St. Joe's are better than we are?  I do get your point, though.  At this point, Henderson is starting next year

This is sarcasm, right?
Freshman don't usually displace seniors...freshman walkons are even far less likely to do that.  All of the guys you think Henderson will start over had scholarships from those types of schools and better. 

Henderson is somewhere north of a typical walkon and south of a true Big East contributor at this point.  I think we have three unusually good walkons with Henderson, Stewart, and Lipscomb.  It should really make this team better due to increased competition in practice.


I was speaking of the 2015-16 season.  At present, only guard on scholarship is Balamou

Must we forget one Rysheed Jordan?
Title: Re: Annual Overly Optimistic Stat Prediction:
Post by: Amaseinyourface2 on September 12, 2014, 02:04:05 PM
I'll give it a go.

Harrison - 18.0 points, 3.4 boards, 1.9 assists
Jordan - 12.4 points, 3.8 boards, 4.4 assists
Greene - 10.1 points, 2.1 boards, 1.5 assists
Branch - 6.5 points, 2.1 board, 2.3 assists
Obekpa - 8.1 points, 6.5 boards, 3.5 blocks
Thomas - 7.0 points 8.0 boards. 1.5 assists
Pointer - 4.5 points, 3.5 boards
Jones - 4.0 points, 3.0 boards

Balamou - Depends on what chance coach gives him; not hopeful this season
Don't expect much: Bosnian kid, walkons, ADR, JDR

Ooo too low on Rysheed in my opinon. Those are basically his BE averages from last year.

DLO         17.5ppg 4.5 rbs 2 asts
Rysheed  15 ppg 3.5 rbs 4.5 asts
Greene    8.5 ppg  2 rbs     1.5 asts
Branch     7 ppg     2 rbs     3 asts
Thomas    7 ppg    7.5 rbs   1 ast
Obekpa    6 ppg    7 rbs      1 ast  3.5 bpg
Jones         7 ppg    4 rbs      1 ast
Dom          6 ppg    2.5 rbs   1.5 asts
Title: Re: Annual Overly Optimistic Stat Prediction:
Post by: Gray Chudney on September 12, 2014, 02:09:19 PM
Hope springs eternal in October.

Starters:

Harrison - SG, 17 ppg, 5.3 rebounds (ices the game in Syracuse w free throws)
Jordan - PG, 12.5 ppg, 6.5 assists, 3.1 steals (improves to one of the best guards in the nation)
Jones - SF 7.2 ppg, 4.5 rebounds, 4 assists (52% from the floor)
Thomas - PF 5.2 ppg, 9.5 rebounds (45% from the line, but he mixes it up inside, and fights for the ball)
Obepka - C 5.5 ppg, 5.2 rebounds, 6 blocks (blocks 10 shots at MSG vs Duke)

Key Reserves:

Greene - SG 8 ppg, 1 assist, 3 boards (whether he starts or comes off the bench, I see him playing at the level, which was much improved last year)
Branch - PG 2.5 ppg, 3 assists (Still out of control)
Pointer - SF/PF 2 ppg, 4 rebounds, 1.5 assists (still a poorly behaved small child)
Delarosa C 3.5 ppg, 4.8 rebounds, 40% from the free throw line, 3.5 fouls (shows a good touch, but he has trouble staying out of foul trouble)

Not So Key Reserves:

Balamou SF 1.2 ppg, 1.5 rebounds (needs to impress early to get into a game)
Henderson SG 6 ppg, 45% from 3 (wouldn't surprise me to see Lavin give him a chance to help us beat the zone)
Alibegovic SF 3.1 ppg, 1 rebound, 2 fouls (Goes off on Franklin Pierce for 15 off the bench causing many of us including myself to predict greatness in 15-16)
Stewart SG 2.2 ppg, 1 rebound (no idea about this kid)
Lipscomb PG 0.5 ppg, 1.1 assist


You think Henderson will score 6 points per game?  Maybe six points all season.  You are also too high on Stewart.  We have  four very good guards and a SF that has played over 20 mpg for three seasons.  Walkons don't just play over those types.
You overshot Delarosa and you are too low on Obekpa except for blocks.  Six?  Really?

And when is Branch out of control?  He makes lazy passes and tries to be too fancy, but he's always in control.


Jay Henderson, according to Yahoo Sports, had ships from the following schools: Dayton, Florida State, Mississippi State, Purdue, Seton Hall, St.Josephs and Stanford. What do all of those schools have in common? They are better than we are. I'm betting he's good enough to play in the BE. How good? No idea, but better than a walk on.
You think Miss State, Purdue, Hall and St. Joe's are better than we are?  I do get your point, though.  At this point, Henderson is starting next year

This is sarcasm, right?
Freshman don't usually displace seniors...freshman walkons are even far less likely to do that.  All of the guys you think Henderson will start over had scholarships from those types of schools and better. 

Henderson is somewhere north of a typical walkon and south of a true Big East contributor at this point.  I think we have three unusually good walkons with Henderson, Stewart, and Lipscomb.  It should really make this team better due to increased competition in practice.


I was speaking of the 2015-16 season.  At present, only guard on scholarship is Balamou

Must we forget one Rysheed Jordan?
You think he stays another year? He has declared for the draft on twitter about 6 times.
Title: Re: Annual Overly Optimistic Stat Prediction:
Post by: Amaseinyourface2 on September 12, 2014, 02:38:01 PM
Hope springs eternal in October.

Starters:

Harrison - SG, 17 ppg, 5.3 rebounds (ices the game in Syracuse w free throws)
Jordan - PG, 12.5 ppg, 6.5 assists, 3.1 steals (improves to one of the best guards in the nation)
Jones - SF 7.2 ppg, 4.5 rebounds, 4 assists (52% from the floor)
Thomas - PF 5.2 ppg, 9.5 rebounds (45% from the line, but he mixes it up inside, and fights for the ball)
Obepka - C 5.5 ppg, 5.2 rebounds, 6 blocks (blocks 10 shots at MSG vs Duke)

Key Reserves:

Greene - SG 8 ppg, 1 assist, 3 boards (whether he starts or comes off the bench, I see him playing at the level, which was much improved last year)
Branch - PG 2.5 ppg, 3 assists (Still out of control)
Pointer - SF/PF 2 ppg, 4 rebounds, 1.5 assists (still a poorly behaved small child)
Delarosa C 3.5 ppg, 4.8 rebounds, 40% from the free throw line, 3.5 fouls (shows a good touch, but he has trouble staying out of foul trouble)

Not So Key Reserves:

Balamou SF 1.2 ppg, 1.5 rebounds (needs to impress early to get into a game)
Henderson SG 6 ppg, 45% from 3 (wouldn't surprise me to see Lavin give him a chance to help us beat the zone)
Alibegovic SF 3.1 ppg, 1 rebound, 2 fouls (Goes off on Franklin Pierce for 15 off the bench causing many of us including myself to predict greatness in 15-16)
Stewart SG 2.2 ppg, 1 rebound (no idea about this kid)
Lipscomb PG 0.5 ppg, 1.1 assist


You think Henderson will score 6 points per game?  Maybe six points all season.  You are also too high on Stewart.  We have  four very good guards and a SF that has played over 20 mpg for three seasons.  Walkons don't just play over those types.
You overshot Delarosa and you are too low on Obekpa except for blocks.  Six?  Really?

And when is Branch out of control?  He makes lazy passes and tries to be too fancy, but he's always in control.


Jay Henderson, according to Yahoo Sports, had ships from the following schools: Dayton, Florida State, Mississippi State, Purdue, Seton Hall, St.Josephs and Stanford. What do all of those schools have in common? They are better than we are. I'm betting he's good enough to play in the BE. How good? No idea, but better than a walk on.
You think Miss State, Purdue, Hall and St. Joe's are better than we are?  I do get your point, though.  At this point, Henderson is starting next year

This is sarcasm, right?
Freshman don't usually displace seniors...freshman walkons are even far less likely to do that.  All of the guys you think Henderson will start over had scholarships from those types of schools and better. 

Henderson is somewhere north of a typical walkon and south of a true Big East contributor at this point.  I think we have three unusually good walkons with Henderson, Stewart, and Lipscomb.  It should really make this team better due to increased competition in practice.


I was speaking of the 2015-16 season.  At present, only guard on scholarship is Balamou

Must we forget one Rysheed Jordan?
You think he stays another year? He has declared for the draft on twitter about 6 times.

Hes also said were gonna win it all this year. Lets hope Rysheed can foresee the future.
Title: Re: Annual Overly Optimistic Stat Prediction:
Post by: Marillac on September 12, 2014, 04:15:15 PM
I'll give it a go.

Harrison - 18.0 points, 3.4 boards, 1.9 assists
Jordan - 12.4 points, 3.8 boards, 4.4 assists
Greene - 10.1 points, 2.1 boards, 1.5 assists
Branch - 6.5 points, 2.1 board, 2.3 assists
Obekpa - 8.1 points, 6.5 boards, 3.5 blocks
Thomas - 7.0 points 8.0 boards. 1.5 assists
Pointer - 4.5 points, 3.5 boards
Jones - 4.0 points, 3.0 boards

Balamou - Depends on what chance coach gives him; not hopeful this season
Don't expect much: Bosnian kid, walkons, ADR, JDR

Ooo too low on Rysheed in my opinon. Those are basically his BE averages from last year.

DLO         17.5ppg 4.5 rbs 2 asts
Rysheed  15 ppg 3.5 rbs 4.5 asts
Greene    8.5 ppg  2 rbs     1.5 asts
Branch     7 ppg     2 rbs     3 asts
Thomas    7 ppg    7.5 rbs   1 ast
Obekpa    6 ppg    7 rbs      1 ast  3.5 bpg
Jones         7 ppg    4 rbs      1 ast
Dom          6 ppg    2.5 rbs   1.5 asts


Sheed is a tough one to estimate.  He will have his twenty point games, but I would think he will be passing up  a lot of shots to rack up more assists. 
Title: Re: Annual Overly Optimistic Stat Prediction:
Post by: Poison on September 12, 2014, 05:38:30 PM
Hope springs eternal in October.

Starters:

Harrison - SG, 17 ppg, 5.3 rebounds (ices the game in Syracuse w free throws)
Jordan - PG, 12.5 ppg, 6.5 assists, 3.1 steals (improves to one of the best guards in the nation)
Jones - SF 7.2 ppg, 4.5 rebounds, 4 assists (52% from the floor)
Thomas - PF 5.2 ppg, 9.5 rebounds (45% from the line, but he mixes it up inside, and fights for the ball)
Obepka - C 5.5 ppg, 5.2 rebounds, 6 blocks (blocks 10 shots at MSG vs Duke)

Key Reserves:

Greene - SG 8 ppg, 1 assist, 3 boards (whether he starts or comes off the bench, I see him playing at the level, which was much improved last year)
Branch - PG 2.5 ppg, 3 assists (Still out of control)
Pointer - SF/PF 2 ppg, 4 rebounds, 1.5 assists (still a poorly behaved small child)
Delarosa C 3.5 ppg, 4.8 rebounds, 40% from the free throw line, 3.5 fouls (shows a good touch, but he has trouble staying out of foul trouble)

Not So Key Reserves:

Balamou SF 1.2 ppg, 1.5 rebounds (needs to impress early to get into a game)
Henderson SG 6 ppg, 45% from 3 (wouldn't surprise me to see Lavin give him a chance to help us beat the zone)
Alibegovic SF 3.1 ppg, 1 rebound, 2 fouls (Goes off on Franklin Pierce for 15 off the bench causing many of us including myself to predict greatness in 15-16)
Stewart SG 2.2 ppg, 1 rebound (no idea about this kid)
Lipscomb PG 0.5 ppg, 1.1 assist


You think Henderson will score 6 points per game?  Maybe six points all season.  You are also too high on Stewart.  We have  four very good guards and a SF that has played over 20 mpg for three seasons.  Walkons don't just play over those types.
You overshot Delarosa and you are too low on Obekpa except for blocks.  Six?  Really?

And when is Branch out of control?  He makes lazy passes and tries to be too fancy, but he's always in control.


Jay Henderson, according to Yahoo Sports, had ships from the following schools: Dayton, Florida State, Mississippi State, Purdue, Seton Hall, St.Josephs and Stanford. What do all of those schools have in common? They are better than we are. I'm betting he's good enough to play in the BE. How good? No idea, but better than a walk on.
You think Miss State, Purdue, Hall and St. Joe's are better than we are?  I do get your point, though.  At this point, Henderson is starting next year

No, that was a mistake. We are better than Seton Hall. Mississippi State is better than us, or at the very least on par with us. They offered Henderson a chance to play for free. As did Stanford. That is telling. He would rather walk on at STJ, then go to Stanford for free? Puzzling, yes, but apparently it's true.