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Title: Georgetown game thread
Post by: Poison on February 08, 2016, 06:44:39 PM
Starters: Mussini, Johnson, M'vouika, Balamou and Yakwe.
Title: Re: Georgetown game thread
Post by: 96 Schermerhorn Street on February 08, 2016, 07:08:18 PM
to early to tell
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Post by: HowCouldUBeSoHarkless on February 08, 2016, 07:09:44 PM
As you might have been able to tell from the first game they are a bad matchup for the Fighting Mullins.
Title: Re: Georgetown game thread
Post by: Poison on February 08, 2016, 07:09:52 PM
M'vouika dogging it, once again.
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Post by: TONYD3 on February 08, 2016, 07:10:27 PM
This looks worse. Can't ha dale token pressure. Don't know who the shooters are? Rivera could score 60 by himself if he tried.
Title: Re: Georgetown game thread
Post by: Poison on February 08, 2016, 07:15:36 PM
M'vouika is a disease.
Title: Re: Georgetown game thread
Post by: TONYD3 on February 08, 2016, 07:28:58 PM
M'vouika is a disease.
That is unfair . He is no worse then most of the guys.
Title: Re: Georgetown game thread
Post by: 96 Schermerhorn Street on February 08, 2016, 07:31:48 PM
It could be too late!
Title: Re: Georgetown game thread
Post by: HowCouldUBeSoHarkless on February 08, 2016, 07:33:27 PM
I watched Notre Dame make 18 straight FTs against UNC, yet this team can't make 1 straight tonight.
Title: Re: Georgetown game thread
Post by: survivedc on February 08, 2016, 07:37:19 PM
I wish this announcer would stop ranting on us being "1 and done." Does he expect us to be getting all the offensive rebounds? I think he means we are taking rushed, low percentage shots, but he should say that.
Title: Re: Georgetown game thread
Post by: Poison on February 08, 2016, 07:39:53 PM
M'vouika is a disease.
That is unfair . He is no worse then most of the guys.

Worst defender ever to start for St.John's.
Title: Re: Georgetown game thread
Post by: 96 Schermerhorn Street on February 08, 2016, 07:42:30 PM
CM looks to have had enough of this
Title: Re: Georgetown game thread
Post by: simplyred on February 08, 2016, 07:42:47 PM
This is an awful team, with an inexperienced coaching staff.  Recipe for disaster.
Title: Re: Georgetown game thread
Post by: TONYD3 on February 08, 2016, 07:43:09 PM
M'vouika is a disease.
That is unfair . He is no worse then most of the guys.

Worst defender ever to start for St.John's.
Not because he dogs it. Kid is really slow. He should have stayed at north west Missouri state
Title: Re: Georgetown game thread
Post by: Moon Mullen on February 08, 2016, 07:55:40 PM
CM looks to have had enough of this


Hey I paid $700 to watch this, he's getting paid $2mm to watch it.
Title: Re: Georgetown game thread
Post by: HowCouldUBeSoHarkless on February 08, 2016, 09:45:42 PM
Defense wasn't even considered.
Title: Re: Georgetown game thread
Post by: Wods317 on February 08, 2016, 10:08:35 PM
This is an awful team, with an inexperienced coaching staff.  Recipe for disaster.

100%. Talent for the players and experience for game staff like Mullin and St. Jean are both seriously lacking. No surprise this how the season has gone. Going in I thought we would win 5-6 games and that's basically what we have done
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Post by: redslope on February 08, 2016, 10:36:58 PM
Game Summary--same old, same old.  Getting tiresome :'(
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Post by: RedStormNC on February 08, 2016, 11:06:14 PM
Post game quotes

http://www.redstormsports.com/sports/m-baskbl/recaps/020816aac.html
Title: Re: Georgetown game thread
Post by: QuanMan on February 09, 2016, 12:09:07 AM
Better days ahead. The silver lining lately has been the play of Malik and Kassoum.

Malik is gaining confidence each game, his shot selection and ability to make the right decision in the lane is improving. He has great size and is really starting to show his value.

Kassoum's athleticism shines in every game, he's going to be in the 1st/2nd Team All BE & BE DPOY conversation if he sticks around long enough.

*Kass is 11/14 from the line over his last 2 games. You can see the improvement in his form and release point recently. CM is going to do wonders with him. His shooting improvement over a short period of time w CM is fun to see.
Title: Re: Georgetown game thread
Post by: paultzman on February 09, 2016, 08:29:57 AM
Obviously with the quality recruits & guys sitting out, the team will improve. Duh! :D That said, I strongly feel next season will be one with ups & downs. Fifteen wins or so would be a fair expectation in my opinion. The unanswered question is can this staff become proficient  in X&O and game preparation areas? If we give them a pass with current team, it seems fair to judge their results next season.

On the X&O side, assuming St. Jean is the main cog there, I still wonder whether this is a lot to expect from a 23 year old guy without much experience. I had hoped CM would would add a guy with that background to help him get acclimated to coaching. As much as I appreciate having Slice, IMO that is not his forte. Kudos on the recruiting front, but jury is out on coaching in my opinion. Still keeping the faith, but keeping my expectations in some perspective.
Title: Re: Georgetown game thread
Post by: TONYD3 on February 09, 2016, 08:58:18 AM
Obviously with the quality recruits & guys sitting out, the team will improve. Duh! :D That said, I strongly feel next season will be one with ups & downs. Fifteen wins or so would be a fair expectation in my opinion. The unanswered question is can this staff become proficient  in X&O and game preparation areas? If we give them a pass with current team, it seems fair to judge their results next season.

On the X&O side, assuming St. Jean is the main cog there, I still wonder whether this is a lot to expect from a 23 year old guy without much experience. I had hoped CM would would add a guy with that background to help him get acclimated to coaching. As much as I appreciate having Slice, IMO that is not his forte. Kudos on the recruiting front, but jury is out on coaching in my opinion. Still keeping the faith, but keeping my expectations in some perspective.
Well said.
Title: Re: Georgetown game thread
Post by: hnk on February 09, 2016, 09:03:57 AM
Rebounding is and will probably be an incredible weakness.....we will lack SIZE....not necessarily height but SIZE,,,,upper body....backside......boxing out...blocking out.
Title: Re: Georgetown game thread
Post by: Howie71 on February 09, 2016, 09:35:57 AM
Obviously with the quality recruits & guys sitting out, the team will improve. Duh! :D That said, I strongly feel next season will be one with ups & downs. Fifteen wins or so would be a fair expectation in my opinion. The unanswered question is can this staff become proficient  in X&O and game preparation areas? If we give them a pass with current team, it seems fair to judge their results next season.

On the X&O side, assuming St. Jean is the main cog there, I still wonder whether this is a lot to expect from a 23 year old guy without much experience. I had hoped CM would would add a guy with that background to help him get acclimated to coaching. As much as I appreciate having Slice, IMO that is not his forte. Kudos on the recruiting front, but jury is out on coaching in my opinion. Still keeping the faith, but keeping my expectations in some perspective.

Agree 100%.
Title: Re: Georgetown game thread
Post by: Wods317 on February 09, 2016, 09:41:52 AM
Obviously with the quality recruits & guys sitting out, the team will improve. Duh! :D That said, I strongly feel next season will be one with ups & downs. Fifteen wins or so would be a fair expectation in my opinion. The unanswered question is can this staff become proficient  in X&O and game preparation areas? If we give them a pass with current team, it seems fair to judge their results next season.

On the X&O side, assuming St. Jean is the main cog there, I still wonder whether this is a lot to expect from a 23 year old guy without much experience. I had hoped CM would would add a guy with that background to help him get acclimated to coaching. As much as I appreciate having Slice, IMO that is not his forte. Kudos on the recruiting front, but jury is out on coaching in my opinion. Still keeping the faith, but keeping my expectations in some perspective.

Very fair. NIT should be a reasonable goal for next season in my mind. That would be a nice jump for a very young squad.
Title: Re: Georgetown game thread
Post by: mjdinkins on February 09, 2016, 12:39:37 PM
Obviously with the quality recruits & guys sitting out, the team will improve. Duh! :D That said, I strongly feel next season will be one with ups & downs. Fifteen wins or so would be a fair expectation in my opinion. The unanswered question is can this staff become proficient  in X&O and game preparation areas? If we give them a pass with current team, it seems fair to judge their results next season.

On the X&O side, assuming St. Jean is the main cog there, I still wonder whether this is a lot to expect from a 23 year old guy without much experience. I had hoped CM would would add a guy with that background to help him get acclimated to coaching. As much as I appreciate having Slice, IMO that is not his forte. Kudos on the recruiting front, but jury is out on coaching in my opinion. Still keeping the faith, but keeping my expectations in some perspective.

I concur.
Title: Re: Georgetown game thread
Post by: survivedc on February 09, 2016, 12:47:59 PM
Any love for Christian jones last night? He missed a few right at the rim, but he also hit 2 or 3 jumpers from 17 feet or so. His stroke has looked pretty good and now he is starting to hit them. I've also been really impressed with his ability to take the ball up the court.

I kinda wonder if he is developing more because of this years staff or just cuz he is actually getting PT
Title: Re: Georgetown game thread
Post by: Poison on February 09, 2016, 12:50:23 PM
Any love for Christian jones last night? He missed a few right at the rim, but he also hit 2 or 3 jumpers from 17 feet or so. His stroke has looked pretty good and now he is starting to hit them. I've also been really impressed with his ability to take the ball up the court.

I kinda wonder if he is developing more because of this years staff or just cuz he is actually getting PT

He has shown some signs of life. However, I still think we're limited with him at the 4. He can't guard anyone.
Title: Re: Georgetown game thread
Post by: Wods317 on February 09, 2016, 12:51:01 PM
Any love for Christian jones last night? He missed a few right at the rim, but he also hit 2 or 3 jumpers from 17 feet or so. His stroke has looked pretty good and now he is starting to hit them. I've also been really impressed with his ability to take the ball up the court.

I kinda wonder if he is developing more because of this years staff or just cuz he is actually getting PT

He has been one of the few consistent players in the last few games. He will be a serviceable bench piece next year because of his rebounding decent scoring touch.
Title: Re: Georgetown game thread
Post by: survivedc on February 09, 2016, 12:58:48 PM
Any love for Christian jones last night? He missed a few right at the rim, but he also hit 2 or 3 jumpers from 17 feet or so. His stroke has looked pretty good and now he is starting to hit them. I've also been really impressed with his ability to take the ball up the court.

I kinda wonder if he is developing more because of this years staff or just cuz he is actually getting PT

He has shown some signs of life. However, I still think we're limited with him at the 4. He can't guard anyone.

His defense is lacking, I'm still surprised he doesn't play tougher, it seems like he can body a lot of players but just doesn't get after it.
Title: Re: Georgetown game thread
Post by: Celtics11 on February 09, 2016, 01:36:11 PM
Obviously with the quality recruits & guys sitting out, the team will improve. Duh! :D That said, I strongly feel next season will be one with ups & downs. Fifteen wins or so would be a fair expectation in my opinion. The unanswered question is can this staff become proficient  in X&O and game preparation areas? If we give them a pass with current team, it seems fair to judge their results next season.

On the X&O side, assuming St. Jean is the main cog there, I still wonder whether this is a lot to expect from a 23 year old guy without much experience. I had hoped CM would would add a guy with that background to help him get acclimated to coaching. As much as I appreciate having Slice, IMO that is not his forte. Kudos on the recruiting front, but jury is out on coaching in my opinion. Still keeping the faith, but keeping my expectations in some perspective.
Any right minded person (all except carmine who just wants to give Mullin a lifetime pass even if he goes winless-which is mindless)  would have to agree and I thought the same thing about an experienced X and O's guy since Mo completed his staff. Let's hope he addresses this situation in the near future.
Title: Re: Georgetown game thread
Post by: newsman13 on February 09, 2016, 02:05:48 PM
Obviously with the quality recruits & guys sitting out, the team will improve. Duh! :D That said, I strongly feel next season will be one with ups & downs. Fifteen wins or so would be a fair expectation in my opinion. The unanswered question is can this staff become proficient  in X&O and game preparation areas? If we give them a pass with current team, it seems fair to judge their results next season.

On the X&O side, assuming St. Jean is the main cog there, I still wonder whether this is a lot to expect from a 23 year old guy without much experience. I had hoped CM would would add a guy with that background to help him get acclimated to coaching. As much as I appreciate having Slice, IMO that is not his forte. Kudos on the recruiting front, but jury is out on coaching in my opinion. Still keeping the faith, but keeping my expectations in some perspective.

I think the promise of a 15 win season will keep the Alkins/Makers of the world looking elsewhere.  Everyone pretty knows, I'm no pollyanna...but with the players we've recruited so far along with what we return should bring us at least 20 wins.

Right now, the team has no point guard.  That's like a football team with no quarterback.  Next year, we'll have a decent point guard.

I'm also reading the players who are coming can hit shots.  We're missing players who can hit shots.  We're missing players who can hit free throws.

I'm up in the air about the coaching.  I don't think we'd have this record if Larry Brown or Bobby Knight were here.  I'm not advocating them, but I'm addressing the coaching.  We run plays and get good shots.  The shots don't fall because most of the players we have can't shoot.  That's not Mullin's fault...I don't think.

The bottom line is for the most part, the team with the better players come out on top.
Title: Re: Georgetown game thread
Post by: paultzman on February 09, 2016, 02:15:03 PM
Obviously with the quality recruits & guys sitting out, the team will improve. Duh! :D That said, I strongly feel next season will be one with ups & downs. Fifteen wins or so would be a fair expectation in my opinion. The unanswered question is can this staff become proficient  in X&O and game preparation areas? If we give them a pass with current team, it seems fair to judge their results next season.

On the X&O side, assuming St. Jean is the main cog there, I still wonder whether this is a lot to expect from a 23 year old guy without much experience. I had hoped CM would would add a guy with that background to help him get acclimated to coaching. As much as I appreciate having Slice, IMO that is not his forte. Kudos on the recruiting front, but jury is out on coaching in my opinion. Still keeping the faith, but keeping my expectations in some perspective.

I think the promise of a 15 win season will keep the Alkins/Makers of the world looking elsewhere.  Everyone pretty knows, I'm no pollyanna...but with the players we've recruited so far along with what we return should bring us at least 20 wins.

Right now, the team has no point guard.  That's like a football team with no quarterback.  Next year, we'll have a decent point guard.

I'm also reading the players who are coming can hit shots.  We're missing players who can hit shots.  We're missing players who can hit free throws.

I'm up in the air about the coaching.  I don't think we'd have this record if Larry Brown or Bobby Knight were here.  I'm not advocating them, but I'm addressing the coaching.  We run plays and get good shots.  The shots don't fall because most of the players we have can't shoot.  That's not Mullin's fault...I don't think.

The bottom line is for the most part, the team with the better players come out on top.

Would agree a 20 win team would be possible with Alkins & Maker, but I don't expect either.
Title: Re: Georgetown game thread
Post by: Amaseinyourface2 on February 09, 2016, 02:21:43 PM
Any love for Christian jones last night? He missed a few right at the rim, but he also hit 2 or 3 jumpers from 17 feet or so. His stroke has looked pretty good and now he is starting to hit them. I've also been really impressed with his ability to take the ball up the court.

I kinda wonder if he is developing more because of this years staff or just cuz he is actually getting PT

Offensively he definitely has a spot moving forward. His lack of defense however, especially helping against the drive, is often put on display. If he had more of an aggressive and confident demeanor he could really be something. Agree with you pushing the ball up the court, you can see he has the skills but sometimes just seems hesitant to do so and finds himself in trouble. Best passing big on the team.
Title: Re: Georgetown game thread
Post by: wpc77 on February 09, 2016, 02:29:17 PM
Obviously with the quality recruits & guys sitting out, the team will improve. Duh! :D That said, I strongly feel next season will be one with ups & downs. Fifteen wins or so would be a fair expectation in my opinion. The unanswered question is can this staff become proficient  in X&O and game preparation areas? If we give them a pass with current team, it seems fair to judge their results next season.

On the X&O side, assuming St. Jean is the main cog there, I still wonder whether this is a lot to expect from a 23 year old guy without much experience. I had hoped CM would would add a guy with that background to help him get acclimated to coaching. As much as I appreciate having Slice, IMO that is not his forte. Kudos on the recruiting front, but jury is out on coaching in my opinion. Still keeping the faith, but keeping my expectations in some perspective.

I think the promise of a 15 win season will keep the Alkins/Makers of the world looking elsewhere.  Everyone pretty knows, I'm no pollyanna...but with the players we've recruited so far along with what we return should bring us at least 20 wins.

Right now, the team has no point guard.  That's like a football team with no quarterback.  Next year, we'll have a decent point guard.

I'm also reading the players who are coming can hit shots.  We're missing players who can hit shots.  We're missing players who can hit free throws.

I'm up in the air about the coaching.  I don't think we'd have this record if Larry Brown or Bobby Knight were here.  I'm not advocating them, but I'm addressing the coaching.  We run plays and get good shots.  The shots don't fall because most of the players we have can't shoot.  That's not Mullin's fault...I don't think.

The bottom line is for the most part, the team with the better players come out on top.

Would agree a 20 win team would be possible with Alkins & Maker, but I don't expect either.

An NIT team is possible with who we have coming in. Which I realize means at least 17 wins.  Guards and wings should be set with LoVett, Ponds, Mussini, Ahmed, Freudenberg.  Real question is whether Owens will be ready to fill gaping need consistent rebounding, and if Yakwe and Sima develop. Most of those frontcourt concerns can be solved by good player development and coaching.  Who's the lead assistant for coaching the bigs?  Slice?
Title: Re: Georgetown game thread
Post by: QuanMan on February 09, 2016, 02:49:11 PM
Zendon works w the bigs WPC. 
Title: Re: Georgetown game thread
Post by: wpc77 on February 09, 2016, 02:52:40 PM
Zendon works w the bigs WPC. 

He's the lead for the bigs?

Sweet Jesus.
Title: Re: Georgetown game thread
Post by: Celtics11 on February 09, 2016, 02:56:22 PM
Zendon works w the bigs WPC. 

He's the lead for the bigs?

Sweet Jesus.
What's the beef? At minimum he can teach them how to fall down which in today's game is good to draw at least 5 fouls per game.
Title: Re: Georgetown game thread
Post by: TONYD3 on February 09, 2016, 02:58:21 PM
Zendon at least engages players on the bench. You can't say that for all the coaches.
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Post by: we are sju on February 09, 2016, 03:02:12 PM
Zendon at least engages players on the bench. You can't say that for all the coaches.

Most annoying good player we have ever had. Meaning good player that was frustrating. Maybe a Hamilton thing?
1. Zendon Hamilton
2. Robert Werdann
3. Lamont Hamilton
Title: Re: Georgetown game thread
Post by: Poison on February 09, 2016, 03:37:13 PM
Zendon at least engages players on the bench. You can't say that for all the coaches.

Most annoying good player we have ever had. Meaning good player that was frustrating. Maybe a Hamilton thing?
1. Zendon Hamilton
2. Robert Werdann
3. Lamont Hamilton

Maybe he can teach them how to box out and rebound. He was great at that. Passing out of the double team? Not so much.
Title: Re: Georgetown game thread
Post by: derk on February 09, 2016, 03:51:32 PM
Obviously with the quality recruits & guys sitting out, the team will improve. Duh! :D That said, I strongly feel next season will be one with ups & downs. Fifteen wins or so would be a fair expectation in my opinion. The unanswered question is can this staff become proficient  in X&O and game preparation areas? If we give them a pass with current team, it seems fair to judge their results next season.

On the X&O side, assuming St. Jean is the main cog there, I still wonder whether this is a lot to expect from a 23 year old guy without much experience. I had hoped CM would would add a guy with that background to help him get acclimated to coaching. As much as I appreciate having Slice, IMO that is not his forte. Kudos on the recruiting front, but jury is out on coaching in my opinion. Still keeping the faith, but keeping my expectations in some perspective.

I think the promise of a 15 win season will keep the Alkins/Makers of the world looking elsewhere.  Everyone pretty knows, I'm no pollyanna...but with the players we've recruited so far along with what we return should bring us at least 20 wins.

Right now, the team has no point guard.  That's like a football team with no quarterback.  Next year, we'll have a decent point guard.

I'm also reading the players who are coming can hit shots.  We're missing players who can hit shots.  We're missing players who can hit free throws.

I'm up in the air about the coaching.  I don't think we'd have this record if Larry Brown or Bobby Knight were here.  I'm not advocating them, but I'm addressing the coaching.  We run plays and get good shots.  The shots don't fall because most of the players we have can't shoot.  That's not Mullin's fault...I don't think.

The bottom line is for the most part, the team with the better players come out on top.

Would agree a 20 win team would be possible with Alkins & Maker, but I don't expect either.

How about a 6'8 - 6" 10 , 250 - 270, 3 star power forward / center type. A bruising rebounding maniac type ( Rico Gathers ). I 'd gladly go to war with 1 of those, rather then Alkins and Maker. Anyone on the horizon ? Maybe a JUCO off of Ahmed's team. I'd settle for what Thomas was supposed to be.
Title: Re: Georgetown game thread
Post by: Foad on February 09, 2016, 04:00:16 PM
Most annoying good player we have ever had. Meaning good player that was frustrating. Maybe a Hamilton thing?
1. Zendon Hamilton
2. Robert Werdann
3. Lamont Hamilton

Can we add Mason Junior.
Title: Re: Georgetown game thread
Post by: we are sju on February 09, 2016, 04:11:49 PM
Most annoying good player we have ever had. Meaning good player that was frustrating. Maybe a Hamilton thing?
1. Zendon Hamilton
2. Robert Werdann
3. Lamont Hamilton

Can we add Mason Junior.

Wasn't criteria good player? He falls just under that for me
Title: Re: Georgetown game thread
Post by: Poison on February 09, 2016, 05:01:13 PM
Most annoying good player we have ever had. Meaning good player that was frustrating. Maybe a Hamilton thing?
1. Zendon Hamilton
2. Robert Werdann
3. Lamont Hamilton

Can we add Mason Junior.

Wasn't criteria good player? He falls just under that for me

Lamont had a good senior season. Mason's best year, was probably his sophomore year. But after that he just couldn't stay on the court.
Title: Re: Georgetown game thread
Post by: Marillac on February 09, 2016, 05:30:20 PM
Obviously with the quality recruits & guys sitting out, the team will improve. Duh! :D That said, I strongly feel next season will be one with ups & downs. Fifteen wins or so would be a fair expectation in my opinion. The unanswered question is can this staff become proficient  in X&O and game preparation areas? If we give them a pass with current team, it seems fair to judge their results next season.

On the X&O side, assuming St. Jean is the main cog there, I still wonder whether this is a lot to expect from a 23 year old guy without much experience. I had hoped CM would would add a guy with that background to help him get acclimated to coaching. As much as I appreciate having Slice, IMO that is not his forte. Kudos on the recruiting front, but jury is out on coaching in my opinion. Still keeping the faith, but keeping my expectations in some perspective.

I think the promise of a 15 win season will keep the Alkins/Makers of the world looking elsewhere.  Everyone pretty knows, I'm no pollyanna...but with the players we've recruited so far along with what we return should bring us at least 20 wins.

Right now, the team has no point guard.  That's like a football team with no quarterback.  Next year, we'll have a decent point guard.

I'm also reading the players who are coming can hit shots.  We're missing players who can hit shots.  We're missing players who can hit free throws.

I'm up in the air about the coaching.  I don't think we'd have this record if Larry Brown or Bobby Knight were here.  I'm not advocating them, but I'm addressing the coaching.  We run plays and get good shots.  The shots don't fall because most of the players we have can't shoot.  That's not Mullin's fault...I don't think.

The bottom line is for the most part, the team with the better players come out on top.

Would agree a 20 win team would be possible with Alkins & Maker, but I don't expect either.

How about a 6'8 - 6" 10 , 250 - 270, 3 star power forward / center type. A bruising rebounding maniac type ( Rico Gathers ). I 'd gladly go to war with 1 of those, rather then Alkins and Maker. Anyone on the horizon ? Maybe a JUCO off of Ahmed's team. I'd settle for what Thomas was supposed to be.

Ahmed's team is very small...he plays a lot of four for them and appears to be doing well according to stats and articles. Obviously, I am a huge fan of playing stretches with a smaller forward at the four that can hold his own on d and the glass and hurt the opposition more on the other end...so that is good news. RF also figures to play this role so there will be good versatility from those two.

The team really doesn't have that one space eater most fans crave. I've always been partial to the Maryland combo of Baxter and Wilcox...one wide body to box out and own position with a long athletic big to sky in while the other bigs dig in to battle Baxter.

Strength training has really been lacking at St. John's for a long time. Obekpa is the only guy who visibly added muscle from the last squad while there are a half-dozen players on seemingly every other high-major roster that look like they live in the weight room.
Title: Re: Georgetown game thread
Post by: Poison on February 09, 2016, 06:55:13 PM
Obviously with the quality recruits & guys sitting out, the team will improve. Duh! :D That said, I strongly feel next season will be one with ups & downs. Fifteen wins or so would be a fair expectation in my opinion. The unanswered question is can this staff become proficient  in X&O and game preparation areas? If we give them a pass with current team, it seems fair to judge their results next season.

On the X&O side, assuming St. Jean is the main cog there, I still wonder whether this is a lot to expect from a 23 year old guy without much experience. I had hoped CM would would add a guy with that background to help him get acclimated to coaching. As much as I appreciate having Slice, IMO that is not his forte. Kudos on the recruiting front, but jury is out on coaching in my opinion. Still keeping the faith, but keeping my expectations in some perspective.

I think the promise of a 15 win season will keep the Alkins/Makers of the world looking elsewhere.  Everyone pretty knows, I'm no pollyanna...but with the players we've recruited so far along with what we return should bring us at least 20 wins.

Right now, the team has no point guard.  That's like a football team with no quarterback.  Next year, we'll have a decent point guard.

I'm also reading the players who are coming can hit shots.  We're missing players who can hit shots.  We're missing players who can hit free throws.

I'm up in the air about the coaching.  I don't think we'd have this record if Larry Brown or Bobby Knight were here.  I'm not advocating them, but I'm addressing the coaching.  We run plays and get good shots.  The shots don't fall because most of the players we have can't shoot.  That's not Mullin's fault...I don't think.

The bottom line is for the most part, the team with the better players come out on top.

Would agree a 20 win team would be possible with Alkins & Maker, but I don't expect either.

How about a 6'8 - 6" 10 , 250 - 270, 3 star power forward / center type. A bruising rebounding maniac type ( Rico Gathers ). I 'd gladly go to war with 1 of those, rather then Alkins and Maker. Anyone on the horizon ? Maybe a JUCO off of Ahmed's team. I'd settle for what Thomas was supposed to be.

Ahmed's team is very small...he plays a lot of four for them and appears to be doing well according to stats and articles. Obviously, I am a huge fan of playing stretches with a smaller forward at the four that can hold his own on d and the glass and hurt the opposition more on the other end...so that is good news. RF also figures to play this role so there will be good versatility from those two.

The team really doesn't have that one space eater most fans crave. I've always been partial to the Maryland combo of Baxter and Wilcox...one wide body to box out and own position with a long athletic big to sky in while the other bigs dig in to battle Baxter.

Strength training has really been lacking at St. John's for a long time. Obekpa is the only guy who visibly added muscle from the last squad while there are a half-dozen players on seemingly every other high-major roster that look like they live in the weight room.

Harrison added some muscle, don't ya think?
Title: Re: Georgetown game thread
Post by: Amaseinyourface2 on February 09, 2016, 08:52:02 PM
Obviously with the quality recruits & guys sitting out, the team will improve. Duh! :D That said, I strongly feel next season will be one with ups & downs. Fifteen wins or so would be a fair expectation in my opinion. The unanswered question is can this staff become proficient  in X&O and game preparation areas? If we give them a pass with current team, it seems fair to judge their results next season.

On the X&O side, assuming St. Jean is the main cog there, I still wonder whether this is a lot to expect from a 23 year old guy without much experience. I had hoped CM would would add a guy with that background to help him get acclimated to coaching. As much as I appreciate having Slice, IMO that is not his forte. Kudos on the recruiting front, but jury is out on coaching in my opinion. Still keeping the faith, but keeping my expectations in some perspective.

I think the promise of a 15 win season will keep the Alkins/Makers of the world looking elsewhere.  Everyone pretty knows, I'm no pollyanna...but with the players we've recruited so far along with what we return should bring us at least 20 wins.

Right now, the team has no point guard.  That's like a football team with no quarterback.  Next year, we'll have a decent point guard.

I'm also reading the players who are coming can hit shots.  We're missing players who can hit shots.  We're missing players who can hit free throws.

I'm up in the air about the coaching.  I don't think we'd have this record if Larry Brown or Bobby Knight were here.  I'm not advocating them, but I'm addressing the coaching.  We run plays and get good shots.  The shots don't fall because most of the players we have can't shoot.  That's not Mullin's fault...I don't think.

The bottom line is for the most part, the team with the better players come out on top.

Would agree a 20 win team would be possible with Alkins & Maker, but I don't expect either.

How about a 6'8 - 6" 10 , 250 - 270, 3 star power forward / center type. A bruising rebounding maniac type ( Rico Gathers ). I 'd gladly go to war with 1 of those, rather then Alkins and Maker. Anyone on the horizon ? Maybe a JUCO off of Ahmed's team. I'd settle for what Thomas was supposed to be.

Ahmed's team is very small...he plays a lot of four for them and appears to be doing well according to stats and articles. Obviously, I am a huge fan of playing stretches with a smaller forward at the four that can hold his own on d and the glass and hurt the opposition more on the other end...so that is good news. RF also figures to play this role so there will be good versatility from those two.

The team really doesn't have that one space eater most fans crave. I've always been partial to the Maryland combo of Baxter and Wilcox...one wide body to box out and own position with a long athletic big to sky in while the other bigs dig in to battle Baxter.

Strength training has really been lacking at St. John's for a long time. Obekpa is the only guy who visibly added muscle from the last squad while there are a half-dozen players on seemingly every other high-major roster that look like they live in the weight room.

Harrison added some muscle, don't ya think?

Think Harrison slimmed down throughout his time here.  Branch and Rysheed got bigger I thought.
Title: Re: Georgetown game thread
Post by: Amaseinyourface2 on February 09, 2016, 08:52:32 PM
Most annoying good player we have ever had. Meaning good player that was frustrating. Maybe a Hamilton thing?
1. Zendon Hamilton
2. Robert Werdann
3. Lamont Hamilton

Can we add Mason Junior.

Wasn't criteria good player? He falls just under that for me

Come on now. Wasn't great but..

JR year BE stats- 15.7 pts 5.1 rbs.  I'd take him over Lamont IMO.
Title: Re: Georgetown game thread
Post by: WillieG on February 09, 2016, 11:25:54 PM
Obviously with the quality recruits & guys sitting out, the team will improve. Duh! :D That said, I strongly feel next season will be one with ups & downs. Fifteen wins or so would be a fair expectation in my opinion. The unanswered question is can this staff become proficient  in X&O and game preparation areas? If we give them a pass with current team, it seems fair to judge their results next season.

On the X&O side, assuming St. Jean is the main cog there, I still wonder whether this is a lot to expect from a 23 year old guy without much experience. I had hoped CM would would add a guy with that background to help him get acclimated to coaching. As much as I appreciate having Slice, IMO that is not his forte. Kudos on the recruiting front, but jury is out on coaching in my opinion. Still keeping the faith, but keeping my expectations in some perspective.

I think the promise of a 15 win season will keep the Alkins/Makers of the world looking elsewhere.  Everyone pretty knows, I'm no pollyanna...but with the players we've recruited so far along with what we return should bring us at least 20 wins.

Right now, the team has no point guard.  That's like a football team with no quarterback.  Next year, we'll have a decent point guard.

I'm also reading the players who are coming can hit shots.  We're missing players who can hit shots.  We're missing players who can hit free throws.

I'm up in the air about the coaching.  I don't think we'd have this record if Larry Brown or Bobby Knight were here.  I'm not advocating them, but I'm addressing the coaching.  We run plays and get good shots.  The shots don't fall because most of the players we have can't shoot.  That's not Mullin's fault...I don't think.

The bottom line is for the most part, the team with the better players come out on top.

Would agree a 20 win team would be possible with Alkins & Maker, but I don't expect either.
Actually, we have a distinct chance of getting Alkins.  Not Maker though. But there may be other quality bigs becoming available in the spring.
Title: Re: Georgetown game thread
Post by: WillieG on February 09, 2016, 11:47:17 PM
Oh my god.  Just saw the news about Alkins blocking Zach.  Don't know what to make of the situation now, except it's not good.
Title: Re: Georgetown game thread
Post by: Wods317 on February 10, 2016, 12:07:25 AM
Oh my god.  Just saw the news about Alkins blocking Zach.  Don't know what to make of the situation now, except it's not good.

Zach doesn't work for St. John's. I doubt it will effect his situation at all.
Title: Re: Georgetown game thread
Post by: Foad on February 10, 2016, 04:57:27 AM
Most annoying good player we have ever had. Meaning good player that was frustrating. Maybe a Hamilton thing?
1. Zendon Hamilton
2. Robert Werdann
3. Lamont Hamilton

Can we add Mason Junior.

Wasn't criteria good player? He falls just under that for me

Come on now. Wasn't great but..

JR year BE stats- 15.7 pts 5.1 rbs.  I'd take him over Lamont IMO.

Over four years very close to Werdan statistically and also injury ridden. But he was Norm's so he could not have been good..
Title: Re: Georgetown game thread
Post by: Foad on February 10, 2016, 05:04:24 AM
Oh my god.  Just saw the news about Alkins blocking Zach.

Heaven's to Betsy.
Title: Re: Georgetown game thread
Post by: carmineabbatiello on February 10, 2016, 12:28:48 PM
Any right minded person (all except carmine who just wants to give Mullin a lifetime pass even if he goes winless-which is mindless) 

Yes.  That's my position. I like it...and I'm stickin with it.

He's earned it!

If Walter Berry ever becomes the head coach.  I'll afford him the same courtesy.