6th Man of St. John's Basketball
St. John's Red Storm => In The Jungle... => Topic started by: fordham96 on April 06, 2017, 04:32:10 PM
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Jon Rothstein says SJU-ASU will be part of a doubleheader in LA along with Oklahoma and USC on Saturday 12/8.
He also tweeted that 3 days prior to that, 12/5, SJU will play Grand Canyon in Arizona as part of another DH that includes Arizona and Texas A & M.
https://www.fanragsports.com/news/sources-st-johns-arizona-state-oklahoma-usc-headline-event-staples-center/
They also have Duke next year. I am forgetting but I know SJU has a pre-season Tourney as well, does anyone remember which one they are committed to for next season?
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Jon Rothstein says SJU-ASU will be part of a doubleheader in LA along with Oklahoma and USC on Saturday 12/8.
He also tweeted that 3 days prior to that, 12/5, SJU will play Grand Canyon in Arizona as part of another DH that includes Arizona and Texas A & M.
https://www.fanragsports.com/news/sources-st-johns-arizona-state-oklahoma-usc-headline-event-staples-center/
They also have Duke next year. I am forgetting but I know SJU has a pre-season Tourney as well, does anyone remember which one they are committed to for next season?
Advocare in Orlando
http://espnevents.com/advocare-invitational/news-and-updates/2017-advocare-invitational-field-announced/
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Jon Rothstein says SJU-ASU will be part of a doubleheader in LA along with Oklahoma and USC on Saturday 12/8.
He also tweeted that 3 days prior to that, 12/5, SJU will play Grand Canyon in Arizona as part of another DH that includes Arizona and Texas A & M.
https://www.fanragsports.com/news/sources-st-johns-arizona-state-oklahoma-usc-headline-event-staples-center/
They also have Duke next year. I am forgetting but I know SJU has a pre-season Tourney as well, does anyone remember which one they are committed to for next season?
Advocare in Orlando
http://espnevents.com/advocare-invitational/news-and-updates/2017-advocare-invitational-field-announced/
That's right might be a nice Thanksgiving weekend trip to Florida in the offering...
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Jon Rothstein says SJU-ASU will be part of a doubleheader in LA along with Oklahoma and USC on Saturday 12/8.
He also tweeted that 3 days prior to that, 12/5, SJU will play Grand Canyon in Arizona as part of another DH that includes Arizona and Texas A & M.
https://www.fanragsports.com/news/sources-st-johns-arizona-state-oklahoma-usc-headline-event-staples-center/
They also have Duke next year. I am forgetting but I know SJU has a pre-season Tourney as well, does anyone remember which one they are committed to for next season?
Advocare in Orlando
http://espnevents.com/advocare-invitational/news-and-updates/2017-advocare-invitational-field-announced/
That's right might be a nice Thanksgiving weekend trip to Florida in the offering...
Missouri is in that tournament, and they just got a whole lot more interesting next year, with the addition of Michael Porter Jr.
UCF's prospects for next year probably hinges on Taco Fall's NBA decision (he's testing the waters).
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From that 3 point/dunk contest, Grand Canyon looks like a great place to play
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From that 3 point/dunk contest, Grand Canyon looks like a great place to play
Saw them play once or twice during the past couple of seasons and it seemed like they have a pretty good program going with some nice athletes and players.
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We are going to have a tough schedule next season. I am glad that the staff is challenging the team because a strong SOS is important if you have NCAA aspirations. Should be some great non conference game between ASU, GCU, Duke and the Advocare tournament. Add in the Big East schedule and there are plenty of opportunities for quality wins.
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We are going to have a tough schedule next season. I am glad that the staff is challenging the team because a strong SOS is important if you have NCAA aspirations. Should be some great non conference game between ASU, GCU, Duke and the Advocare tournament. Add in the Big East schedule and there are plenty of opportunities for quality wins.
Now all we need is talent.
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We are going to have a tough schedule next season. I am glad that the staff is challenging the team because a strong SOS is important if you have NCAA aspirations. Should be some great non conference game between ASU, GCU, Duke and the Advocare tournament. Add in the Big East schedule and there are plenty of opportunities for quality wins.
Now all we need is talent.
We have top half talent in the BE as currently constituted.
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We are going to have a tough schedule next season. I am glad that the staff is challenging the team because a strong SOS is important if you have NCAA aspirations. Should be some great non conference game between ASU, GCU, Duke and the Advocare tournament. Add in the Big East schedule and there are plenty of opportunities for quality wins.
Now all we need is talent.
We have top half talent in the BE as currently constituted.
+1, to say we don't have talent is ridiculous. We could use a talented big for sure but so could mostly every team.
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Jon Rothstein
St. John's will host Nebraska in the 2017 Gavitt Games, per a source. #SJUBB
Very meh
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Jon Rothstein
St. John's will host Nebraska in the 2017 Gavitt Games, per a source. #SJUBB
Very meh
Has to be the first time Nebraska plays inside of Carnesecca. For a November Wednesday night I'll take it. Good to have some legit competition before the West Coast road trip.
Georgetown and Villanova are out of the rotation this year. Every matchup is really solid-
http://www.bigeastcoastbias.com/2017/5/20/15669870/2017-gavitt-games-schedule-xavier-wisconsin-butler-maryland-creighton-northwestern
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Jon Rothstein
Sources: St. John's, St. Joe's to play neutral site game at Mohegan Sun on 12/20
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Jon Rothstein
Sources: St. John's, St. Joe's to play neutral site game at Mohegan Sun on 12/20
Let's show them who the real SJU is! :)
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Jon Rothstein
St. John's will host Nebraska in the 2017 Gavitt Games, per a source. #SJUBB
Very meh
Has to be the first time Nebraska plays inside of Carnesecca. For a November Wednesday night I'll take it. Good to have some legit competition before the West Coast road trip.
Georgetown and Villanova are out of the rotation this year.
Nebraska is also in the Disney World Tournament, so we could see them twice in November (I'm sure they will put us on opposite sides of the bracket in Florida).
As far as Georgetown and Nova being the two teams out of it this year, that cancels out, IMO. Expecting a 4-4 tie in this event for the third straight year.
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Jon Rothstein
Sources: St. John's, St. Joe's to play neutral site game at Mohegan Sun on 12/20
Let's show them who the real SJU is! :)
Since we play them in a casino, why not get them to bet the trademark SJU.
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Per restormsports.com
QUEENS, N.Y. – The Gavitt Tipoff Games lineup was revealed on Wednesday by the BIG EAST and Big Ten Conferences for the third annual event that runs from Nov. 13-17, 2017. As part of the early-season showdown between two of the nation’s top college basketball leagues, St. John’s will host Nebraska on Thursday, Nov. 16 with a national broadcast carried on FS1. Game times will be announced at a later date.
The unique eight-game event is named in honor of Dave Gavitt, who had a profound and lasting influence on the sport of basketball on the collegiate, professional and Olympic levels. He was inducted into the Naismith Memorial Basketball Hall of Fame in 2006.
St. John’s faces Nebraska for the first time in program history. The Red Storm split its pervious two contests in the Gavitt Tipoff Games, defeating Rutgers in the inaugural event before falling on the road last season at NCAA Tournament bound Minnesota.
Scheduled to take place through 2022, the Gavitt Tipoff Games will be played on consecutive days in the first full week of the college basketball campaign. The series will span eight years, with games played at home sites. Each BIG EAST team will participate a minimum of six times, while Big Ten programs will take part a minimum of four times. Teams from both conferences already meet in some traditional rivalry games, and those matchups will continue in upcoming seasons.
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UCF’s Tacko Fall told ESPN he will return to school next season.
Potential matchup for Tariq Thanksgiving wknd in Orlando.
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Both Nebraska and Long Beach St are in Orlando in addition to being on SJU's regular season non-conference schedule.
They are not bad matchups but that is a poor job of scheduling, there is no way SJU should be in a position of playing a non-conference opponent more than once in the regular season.
I guess it can be explained this way, the BE and Big 10 decided on the Nebraska/SJU matchup thus the beef should be with them on that one. The LBSU is a return game and my guess is neither side realized that both teams were lined up for the same Tourney in Orlando the same year.
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I'm pretty sure LB St isn't on the non conference schedule besides the advocare. STJ owes them a game in Long Beach but I don't think that's happening this year.
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This is a brutal schedule for a team whose top five players may very well be pair of sophomores, a freshman, and two transfers playing their first year with the program. The RPI could be top 25 if they are relatively successful.
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I'm pretty sure LB St isn't on the non conference schedule besides the advocare. STJ owes them a game in Long Beach but I don't think that's happening this year.
I thought I saw a number of outlets that had SJU visiting LBSU this year, if not I stand corrected.
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I'm pretty sure LB St isn't on the non conference schedule besides the advocare. STJ owes them a game in Long Beach but I don't think that's happening this year.
I thought I saw a number of outlets that had SJU visiting LBSU this year, if not I stand corrected.
I saw that as well, hard to believe they would travel to LA twice, and Phoenix once
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According to Rothstein's twitter page, Johnnies will host Sacred Heart as a part of non conf schedule.
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Anyone know around what time the full schedule gets released?
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Anyone know around what time the full schedule gets released?
Non-conference schedule is usually released in late summer. Sometime between late July and late August.
Full schedule usually comes out in mid-September. The Big East is generally the last conference to release it's schedule. Since many of our teams play in pro arenas, Big East is powerless to release a schedule until after the NBA and NHL release theirs (NHL released their schedule this past week. NBA generally likes to wait until after free agency is settled to post a schedule).
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Jon Rothstein
2017 Advocare Invitational bracket, per sources: West Virginia/Marist, Nebraska/UCF, St. John's/Oregon State, Missouri/Long Beach State.
Solid draw for us in round 1. Oregon State stinks but has a real solid stretch 4 that's the the coach's son that could give us trouble. Assuming we win that one, Missouri in round 2 is going to be very tough
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Similar to Miles Bridges and Amir Coffey last year, see matchup nightmare Michael Porter linked below. Potential #1 pick next Spring, we can draw Missouri by advancing past Oregon St. Thanksgiving wknd-
http://ballislife.com/michael-porter-jr-drops-47-points-at-jamal-crawfords-pro-am-this-kid-is-a-legit-pro/
http://www.espn.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/player/_/id/193628/michael-porter-jr
Kassoum/Tariq/Marv split the defensive assignment? Kid can really play at 6'10.
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Mizzou with the Porters will be tough.
Out of all those teams, I got WVU and Huggy winning it all.
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Mizzou with the Porters will be tough.
Out of all those teams, I got WVU and Huggy winning it all.
There's only one Porter who'll be Mizzou's team this upcoming season. The other Porter will be there in '18-'19.
Missouri returns their top 3 scorers (all double-digit players), and they're adding a 5th year player (Kassius Robertson) who averaged 16 ppg at Canisius last season. You add in Porter, Jr. and Jeremiah Tillmon, and Mizzou could pose some issues for many SEC opponents.
That is who I see us playing in semifinals of the tournament, and it could turn out to be a good win for us if we were to get past 'em.
By the way, I'd also have to go with West Virginia being the favorites to win this particular tournament.
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Isn't WVU the obvious fav to win that tournament?
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Mizzou with the Porters will be tough.
Out of all those teams, I got WVU and Huggy winning it all.
There's only one Porter who'll be Mizzou's team this upcoming season. The other Porter will be there in '18-'19.
Missouri returns their top 3 scorers (all double-digit players), and they're adding a 5th year player (Kassius Robertson) who averaged 16 ppg at Canisius last season. You add in Porter, Jr. and Jeremiah Tillmon, and Mizzou could pose some issues for many SEC opponents.
That is who I see us playing in semifinals of the tournament, and it could turn out to be a good win for us if we were to get past 'em.
By the way, I'd also have to go with West Virginia being the favorites to win this particular tournament.
Yeah that's right on Porter and I agree, that would be a big win for us.
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Quick question. Rothstein is covering the teams playing internationally on his twitter feed. When are we eligible to play early outside of the US again. Last time was with Lavin in Europe i believe.
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Quick question. Rothstein is covering the teams playing internationally on his twitter feed. When are we eligible to play early outside of the US again. Last time was with Lavin in Europe i believe.
I believe we could have done so, starting this summer. Somewhat surprised that we did not do so this year, but maybe something is in the works for next year.
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Quick question. Rothstein is covering the teams playing internationally on his twitter feed. When are we eligible to play early outside of the US again. Last time was with Lavin in Europe i believe.
I believe we could have done so, starting this summer. Somewhat surprised that we did not do so this year, but maybe something is in the works for next year.
Good time to do it is when you are going to play a lot of new players even though last time we did it with Lavin he still took the whole season to "experiment" with line-ups. Believe you can go once every 4 years.
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Thanks.
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Mizzou with the Porters will be tough.
Out of all those teams, I got WVU and Huggy winning it all.
There's only one Porter who'll be Mizzou's team this upcoming season. The other Porter will be there in '18-'19.
Missouri returns their top 3 scorers (all double-digit players), and they're adding a 5th year player (Kassius Robertson) who averaged 16 ppg at Canisius last season. You add in Porter, Jr. and Jeremiah Tillmon, and Mizzou could pose some issues for many SEC opponents.
That is who I see us playing in semifinals of the tournament, and it could turn out to be a good win for us if we were to get past 'em.
By the way, I'd also have to go with West Virginia being the favorites to win this particular tournament.
Looks like we'll be facing both Porters if we advance in this tourney...
http://www.espn.com/college-sports/recruiting/basketball/mens/story/_/id/20297218/jontay-porter-reclassify-join-brother-michael-porter-jr-missouri
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Jon RothsteinVerified account @JonRothstein 2h2 hours ago
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Chris Casey and Niagara improve to 2-0 in Costa Rica with an 87-59 win. Purple Eagles have five different players score in double-figures.
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Niagara's Matt Scott with 21, six, and five in 23 mins as Chris Casey's squad wins its first game in Costa Rica. Top half MAAC team in 2018.
A lot of buzz surrounding Chris Casey's Niagara team this year, I've seen some predictions that have them 2nd in the MAAC, are we likely playing them in the OOC?
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Full non-conference scheduled released:
http://www.redstormsports.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/082117aab.html
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Full non-conference scheduled released:
http://www.redstormsports.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/082117aab.html
when would tickets to the Duke game go on sale?
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Chris has done a nice job scheduling tough matchups:
@Grand Canyon-A true sleeper this year, coached by Dan Majerle, very underrated. 22-9 last year and return most of their talent.
Potentially Missouri and West Virginia if we advance in Orlando. Really nice neutral site matchups for the committee, could be huge payoff.
Duke- Preseason # 1
Arizona St. in a virtual road game in LA.
Middle of the pack games:
St.Joe's- Picked as high as 2nd in the A10 this year in Summer polls. Very hurt last year, return a ton of talent for a brilliant HC in Martelli.
Iona, let Baldi go off here.
Nebraska a middle of the pack Big10 team.
Cupcakes-
New Orleans/Central Conn/Sacred Heart
To note:
*No Barclays game this year.
*No low major tri state teams on the rise ala Stony Brook, LIUBK or Niagara on the schedule as well which have been trap games for us.
*Only one true road game (Grand Canyon), however the Orlando neutral site games are just as good as road games against premier talent.
I think we have to go atleast 9-3 in the OOC. Must wins are New Orleans, Oregon St., Central Conn., Sacred Heart, and Iona. Toss ups are Nebraska, Arizona St., Missouri, and St. Joe's. The reach is Duke.
Fare well in the OOC and we have a shot at the tourney this year if we compete and finish within the upper half of the BE.
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Chris has done a nice job scheduling tough matchups:
@Grand Canyon-A true sleeper this year, coached by Dan Majerle, very underrated. 22-9 last year and return most of their talent.
Potentially Missouri and West Virginia if we advance in Orlando. Really nice neutral site matchups for the committee, could be huge payoff.
Duke- Preseason # 1
Arizona St. in a virtual road game in LA.
Middle of the pack games:
St.Joe's- Picked as high as 2nd in the A10 this year in Summer polls. Very hurt last year, return a ton of talent for a brilliant HC in Martelli.
Iona, let Baldi go off here.
Nebraska a middle of the pack Big10 team.
Cupcakes-
New Orleans/Central Conn/Sacred Heart
To note:
*No Barclays game this year.
*No low major tri state teams on the rise ala Stony Brook, LIUBK or Niagara on the schedule as well which have been trap games for us.
*Only one true road game (Grand Canyon), however the Orlando neutral site games are just as good as road games against premier talent.
I think we have to go atleast 9-3 in the OOC. Must wins are New Orleans, Oregon St., Central Conn., Sacred Heart, and Iona. Toss ups are Nebraska, Arizona St., Missouri, and St. Joe's. The reach is Duke.
Fare well in the OOC and we have a shot at the tourney this year if we compete and finish within the upper half of the BE.
I'll play Baldis' card for you, I Think Iona will be tougher than Nebraska atCA.
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Chris has done a nice job scheduling tough matchups:
@Grand Canyon-A true sleeper this year, coached by Dan Majerle, very underrated. 22-9 last year and return most of their talent.
Potentially Missouri and West Virginia if we advance in Orlando. Really nice neutral site matchups for the committee, could be huge payoff.
Duke- Preseason # 1
Arizona St. in a virtual road game in LA.
Middle of the pack games:
St.Joe's- Picked as high as 2nd in the A10 this year in Summer polls. Very hurt last year, return a ton of talent for a brilliant HC in Martelli.
Iona, let Baldi go off here.
Nebraska a middle of the pack Big10 team.
Cupcakes-
New Orleans/Central Conn/Sacred Heart
To note:
*No Barclays game this year.
*No low major tri state teams on the rise ala Stony Brook, LIUBK or Niagara on the schedule as well which have been trap games for us.
*Only one true road game (Grand Canyon), however the Orlando neutral site games are just as good as road games against premier talent.
I think we have to go atleast 9-3 in the OOC. Must wins are New Orleans, Oregon St., Central Conn., Sacred Heart, and Iona. Toss ups are Nebraska, Arizona St., Missouri, and St. Joe's. The reach is Duke.
Fare well in the OOC and we have a shot at the tourney this year if we compete and finish within the upper half of the BE.
I think we are playing the ultimate trap game. A mid major with a culture of winning. Iona. They may get housed every time in the ncaas but when they play us they're playing a team coming off of a 14 win season. They have lost a lot of talent but they were supposed to take a step back last season, and they did not. They embarrassed us in 1995 (70-57) at MSG when we had Lopez, Hamilton, Turner and RJ's papa the great in one game against Louisville, Rowan Barrett.
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Chris and the program realize the gravity of this game, it will not be taken lightly. Iona has owned March in this town for 4/6 years under Cluess, it's time to send a message. To lose this game will make last year's LIUBK embarrassment look like a slap on the wrist.
As much as we're going to want to run with Iona all game, the key to this game will be slowing the tempo at times and working through our bigs. They no longer have Jordan Washington and we have a huge advantage down low with our size and strength in the paint much like the St. Joe's matchup.
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To lose this game will make last year's LIUBK embarrassment look like a slap on the wrist.
Losing to a team that is likely to be ranked ~100 in KenPom is not embarrassing. Losing to LIU-B, a bottom 50 team in the country, in front of 174 fans at the Barclays Center is way, way worse.
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Chris and the program realize the gravity of this game, it will not be taken lightly. Iona has owned March in this town for 4/6 years under Cluess, it's time to send a message. To lose this game will make last year's LIUBK embarrassment look like a slap on the wrist.
As much as we're going to want to run with Iona all game, the key to this game will be slowing the tempo at times and working through our bigs. They no longer have Jordan Washington and we have a huge advantage down low with our size and strength in the paint much like the St. Joe's matchup.
Do you think Lovett and Ponds will try to slow the place? No chance in hell. Whoever hits the 3s in this game wins. And btw, Jordan Washington averaged 21 mins a game, Offense was smoother with him on the bench
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Chris and the program realize the gravity of this game, it will not be taken lightly. Iona has owned March in this town for 4/6 years under Cluess, it's time to send a message. To lose this game will make last year's LIUBK embarrassment look like a slap on the wrist.
As much as we're going to want to run with Iona all game, the key to this game will be slowing the tempo at times and working through our bigs. They no longer have Jordan Washington and we have a huge advantage down low with our size and strength in the paint much like the St. Joe's matchup.
Do you think Lovett and Ponds will try to slow the place? No chance in hell. Whoever hits the 3s in this game wins. And btw, Jordan Washington averaged 21 mins a game, Offense was smoother with him on the bench
Baldi, I'm a NewRo guy, went to both Monmouth matchups last year, I follow the Gaels intently. The Johnnies have a size advantage at every position over them this season, even PG (Shamorie/Marcus vs. Shadarac/McGill).
I don't think that this matchup will be close the more I study it. Was Sam Cassell Jr. granted his 5th year of eligibility? Do you think that he and Much can matchup to the size and strength of Bash and Simon? What replacement did Cluess put down low for the loss of Washington? From the looks of his 2017 class I don't see anyone that can match the physicality of Marv, Kassoum, Amar or even Tariq and Sid.
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Chris and the program realize the gravity of this game, it will not be taken lightly. Iona has owned March in this town for 4/6 years under Cluess, it's time to send a message. To lose this game will make last year's LIUBK embarrassment look like a slap on the wrist.
As much as we're going to want to run with Iona all game, the key to this game will be slowing the tempo at times and working through our bigs. They no longer have Jordan Washington and we have a huge advantage down low with our size and strength in the paint much like the St. Joe's matchup.
Do you think Lovett and Ponds will try to slow the place? No chance in hell. Whoever hits the 3s in this game wins. And btw, Jordan Washington averaged 21 mins a game, Offense was smoother with him on the bench
Baldi, I'm a NewRo guy, went to both Monmouth matchups last year, I follow the Gaels intently. The Johnnies have a size advantage at every position over them this season, even PG (Shamorie/Marcus vs. Shadarac/McGill).
I don't think that this matchup will be close the more I study it. Was Sam Cassell Jr. granted his 5th year of eligibility? Do you think that he and Much can matchup to the size and strength of Bash and Simon? What replacement did Cluess put down low for the loss of Washington? From the looks of his 2017 class I don't see anyone that can match the physicality of Marv, Kassoum, Amar or even Tariq and Sid.
Both Cassell and Severe are done with eligibility. Hard to replace Washington at the MAAC, but Cluess has done it with Glover and Laury. TK Edogi, transfer from Tulsa is next up. As for the St Johns bigs, none scare me. This should be a guard oriented game. Like I said, whoever hits the 3s, wins
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Duke is gonna be fun. They are looooaaaded with freshmen talent, but besides Basketball's biggest douche Grayson Allen, there is little returning experience. Nobody besides Grayson averaged more than about 2 per game. We will have an experience advantage, and I suspect our backcpirt particularly will give them problems. It all depends on how their freshmen shake out.
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Duke is gonna be fun. They are looooaaaded with freshmen talent, but besides Basketball's biggest douche Grayson Allen, there is little returning experience. Nobody besides Grayson averaged more than about 2 per game. We will have an experience advantage, and I suspect our backcpirt particularly will give them problems. It all depends on how their freshmen shake out.
They'll be ready for us, but barring foul/injury problems I think we'll give them a good game.
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Duke is gonna be fun. They are looooaaaded with freshmen talent, but besides Basketball's biggest douche Grayson Allen, there is little returning experience. Nobody besides Grayson averaged more than about 2 per game. We will have an experience advantage, and I suspect our backcpirt particularly will give them problems. It all depends on how their freshmen shake out.
They'll be ready for us, but barring foul/injury problems I think we'll give them a good game.
Foul trouble and injuries are like death and taxes at St.John's.
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Duke is gonna be fun. They are looooaaaded with freshmen talent, but besides Basketball's biggest douche Grayson Allen, there is little returning experience. Nobody besides Grayson averaged more than about 2 per game. We will have an experience advantage, and I suspect our backcpirt particularly will give them problems. It all depends on how their freshmen shake out.
They'll be ready for us, but barring foul/injury problems I think we'll give them a good game.
Foul trouble and injuries are like death and taxes at St.John's.
Duke is gonna be fun. They are looooaaaded with freshmen talent, but besides Basketball's biggest douche Grayson Allen, there is little returning experience. Nobody besides Grayson averaged more than about 2 per game. We will have an experience advantage, and I suspect our backcpirt particularly will give them problems. It all depends on how their freshmen shake out.
They'll be ready for us, but barring foul/injury problems I think we'll give them a good game.
Coach k gets every team ready by season's end, bjt particularly a lot of freshmen this year with few upperclassmen of significance. fwiw, I think we should start working the charging calls on Grayson early. Get him into a tizzy. As far as fouls go, sure could be a problem, but once again they'll be freshmen and not mastered flopology yet.
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Duke is gonna be fun. They are looooaaaded with freshmen talent, but besides Basketball's biggest douche Grayson Allen, there is little returning experience. Nobody besides Grayson averaged more than about 2 per game. We will have an experience advantage, and I suspect our backcpirt particularly will give them problems. It all depends on how their freshmen shake out.
They'll be ready for us, but barring foul/injury problems I think we'll give them a good game.
Foul trouble and injuries are like death and taxes at St.John's.
Duke is gonna be fun. They are looooaaaded with freshmen talent, but besides Basketball's biggest douche Grayson Allen, there is little returning experience. Nobody besides Grayson averaged more than about 2 per game. We will have an experience advantage, and I suspect our backcpirt particularly will give them problems. It all depends on how their freshmen shake out.
They'll be ready for us, but barring foul/injury problems I think we'll give them a good game.
Coach k gets every team ready by season's end, bjt particularly a lot of freshmen this year with few upperclassmen of significance. fwiw, I think we should start working the charging calls on Grayson early. Get him into a tizzy. As far as fouls go, sure could be a problem, but once again they'll be freshmen and not mastered flopology yet.
They'll be freshman, mostly. And we won't be, yet we are incredibly inexperienced all around.
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Duke is gonna be fun. They are looooaaaded with freshmen talent, but besides Basketball's biggest douche Grayson Allen, there is little returning experience. Nobody besides Grayson averaged more than about 2 per game. We will have an experience advantage, and I suspect our backcpirt particularly will give them problems. It all depends on how their freshmen shake out.
They'll be ready for us, but barring foul/injury problems I think we'll give them a good game.
Foul trouble and injuries are like death and taxes at St.John's.
Duke is gonna be fun. They are looooaaaded with freshmen talent, but besides Basketball's biggest douche Grayson Allen, there is little returning experience. Nobody besides Grayson averaged more than about 2 per game. We will have an experience advantage, and I suspect our backcpirt particularly will give them problems. It all depends on how their freshmen shake out.
They'll be ready for us, but barring foul/injury problems I think we'll give them a good game.
Coach k gets every team ready by season's end, bjt particularly a lot of freshmen this year with few upperclassmen of significance. fwiw, I think we should start working the charging calls on Grayson early. Get him into a tizzy. As far as fouls go, sure could be a problem, but once again they'll be freshmen and not mastered flopology yet.
They'll be freshman, mostly. And we won't be, yet we are incredibly inexperienced all around.
No we aren't. Lovett, Ahmed, Yakwe, Ali, Owens and ponds have BIg East seasons behind them. Simon and Clark sat out one year but were 4-5 star kids who played whole seasons at blue-blood programs. Nobody at Michigan state wanted Clark to leave. We are certainly not the more experienced team, but far more than Duke and we are actually quite physically talented overall. I don't think Duke will have anything athletically over us. They will have some
of the best young talent all around, but I don't see mismatches except Grayson Allen. I think a guy like Simon had he athleticism to defend him, but he's kinda ridiculous with his range sometimes. The pressure needs to be on all their frosh.
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Duke is gonna be fun. They are looooaaaded with freshmen talent, but besides Basketball's biggest douche Grayson Allen, there is little returning experience. Nobody besides Grayson averaged more than about 2 per game. We will have an experience advantage, and I suspect our backcpirt particularly will give them problems. It all depends on how their freshmen shake out.
They'll be ready for us, but barring foul/injury problems I think we'll give them a good game.
Foul trouble and injuries are like death and taxes at St.John's.
Duke is gonna be fun. They are looooaaaded with freshmen talent, but besides Basketball's biggest douche Grayson Allen, there is little returning experience. Nobody besides Grayson averaged more than about 2 per game. We will have an experience advantage, and I suspect our backcpirt particularly will give them problems. It all depends on how their freshmen shake out.
They'll be ready for us, but barring foul/injury problems I think we'll give them a good game.
Coach k gets every team ready by season's end, bjt particularly a lot of freshmen this year with few upperclassmen of significance. fwiw, I think we should start working the charging calls on Grayson early. Get him into a tizzy. As far as fouls go, sure could be a problem, but once again they'll be freshmen and not mastered flopology yet.
They'll be freshman, mostly. And we won't be, yet we are incredibly inexperienced all around.
No we aren't. Lovett, Ahmed, Yakwe, Ali, Owens and ponds have BIg East seasons behind them. Simon and Clark sat out one year but were 4-5 star kids who played whole seasons at blue-blood programs. Nobody at Michigan state wanted Clark to leave. We are certainly not the more experienced team, but far more than Duke and we are actually quite physically talented overall. I don't think Duke will have anything athletically over us. They will have some
of the best young talent all around, but I don't see mismatches except Grayson Allen. I think a guy like Simon had he athleticism to defend him, but he's kinda ridiculous with his range sometimes. The pressure needs to be on all their frosh.
We don't have one upperclassmen who has been a part of this program for more than one season who isn't named Amar Alibegovic. This team is no more experienced than the team we had last year. Simon has almost no experience. You can't drop that name because he was supposed to be good two years ago.
Having a BE season begins you is great, but this program has been left vulnerable by one careless decision after another by the staff. It's put up or shut up time.
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We don't have one upperclassmen who has been a part of this program for more than one season who isn't named Amar Alibegovic. This team is no more experienced than the team we had last year. Simon has almost no experience. You can't drop that name because he was supposed to be good two years ago.
Having a BE season begins you is great, but this program has been left vulnerable by one careless decision after another by the staff. It's put up or shut up time.
Agree, it's really short sighted of Mullin not to have any fourth year players after two full years of coaching.
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We don't have one upperclassmen who has been a part of this program for more than one season who isn't named Amar Alibegovic. This team is no more experienced than the team we had last year. Simon has almost no experience. You can't drop that name because he was supposed to be good two years ago.
Having a BE season begins you is great, but this program has been left vulnerable by one careless decision after another by the staff. It's put up or shut up time.
Agree, it's really short sighted of Mullin not to have any fourth year players after two full years of coaching.
Good thing we got rid of Lavin's nonsense. If we hadn't, we wouldn't have had 5 upperclassmen transfer. It's as if we've hired Norm Roberts.
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Nice that we closed the Sid Wilson thread to get rid of the cretinous UConn troll. Don't need him when we can count on Poison and Baldi to constantly piss on the coaching staff and the program.
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Nice that we closed the Sid Wilson thread to get rid of the cretinous UConn troll. Don't need him when we can count on Poison and Baldi to constantly piss on the coaching staff and the program.
That UConn guy got some of you all riled up. There's not too much to argue
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We don't have one upperclassmen who has been a part of this program for more than one season who isn't named Amar Alibegovic. This team is no more experienced than the team we had last year. Simon has almost no experience. You can't drop that name because he was supposed to be good two years ago.
Having a BE season begins you is great, but this program has been left vulnerable by one careless decision after another by the staff. It's put up or shut up time.
Agree, it's really short sighted of Mullin not to have any fourth year players after two full years of coaching.
Good thing we got rid of Lavin's nonsense. If we hadn't, we wouldn't have had 5 upperclassmen transfer. It's as if we've hired Norm Roberts.
We had one upperclassman transfer, the walk on. Sima was a sophomore, Ellison was a sophomore, Mussini and RF turned pro, and Williams graduated.
Other than that you make your usual good points.
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Nice that we closed the Sid Wilson thread to get rid of the cretinous UConn troll. Don't need him when we can count on Poison and Baldi to constantly piss on the coaching staff and the program.
That UConn guy got some of you all riled up. There's not too much to argue
Thin skin. I get it. The truth isn't what anyone wants to hear in September.
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We don't have one upperclassmen who has been a part of this program for more than one season who isn't named Amar Alibegovic. This team is no more experienced than the team we had last year. Simon has almost no experience. You can't drop that name because he was supposed to be good two years ago.
Having a BE season begins you is great, but this program has been left vulnerable by one careless decision after another by the staff. It's put up or shut up time.
Agree, it's really short sighted of Mullin not to have any fourth year players after two full years of coaching.
Good thing we got rid of Lavin's nonsense. If we hadn't, we wouldn't have had 5 upperclassmen transfer. It's as if we've hired Norm Roberts.
We had one upperclassman transfer, the walk on. Sima was a sophomore, Ellison was a sophomore, Mussini and RF turned pro, and Williams graduated.
Other than that you make your usual good points.
Sima, Ellison, Mussini and Holifield would have been upperclassmen. If they had stayed, they'd be juniors. You see, that's what comes after sophomore. Williams would have been a grad student big man who would have played his 3rd season at St.John's. You make it sound like he graduated and left the college game. He's playing this season. Freudenberg would have been a sophomore. It's hard to gage how significant that loss is, but a mass exodus is a mass exodus.
Sima, Williams, Ellison, Mussini, Freudenberg, Wilson and Holifield have jumped ship. We will be short handed this season at some point and it could have been avoided but the staff had a better plan. Well, this is their program, so let's see how their plan comes together.
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Nice that we closed the Sid Wilson thread to get rid of the cretinous UConn troll. Don't need him when we can count on Poison and Baldi to constantly piss on the coaching staff and the program.
That UConn guy got some of you all riled up. There's not too much to argue
Thin skin. I get it. The truth isn't what anyone wants to hear in September.
Truth is the recruiting class leaves a lot to be desired
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Nice that we closed the Sid Wilson thread to get rid of the cretinous UConn troll. Don't need him when we can count on Poison and Baldi to constantly piss on the coaching staff and the program.
That UConn guy got some of you all riled up. There's not too much to argue
Thin skin. I get it. The truth isn't what anyone wants to hear in September.
Truth is the recruiting class leaves a lot to be desired
Technically we've added one freshman guard. In order for us to make the tournament we need Marvin Clarke Jr to be Billy Singleton, Justin Simon to be Lavor Postell and Tariq Owens to be Hakim Warrick. Also we need no significant injuries and never more than 2 at a time or we are instantly at a significant disadvantage. I wonder when they are holding open tryouts for a big man?
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we wouldn't have had 5 upperclassmen transfer.
Sima, Ellison, Mussini and Holifield would have been upperclassmen.
That's four, and none of them were upperclassmen, and three of them transferred and one of those was a walk on. So what you said would have been true, except it was false. Which makes you either a liar or a hysteric.
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we wouldn't have had 5 upperclassmen transfer.
Sima, Ellison, Mussini and Holifield would have been upperclassmen.
That's four, and none of them were upperclassmen, and three of them transferred and one of those was a walk on. So what you said would have been true, except it was false. Which makes you either a liar or a hysteric.
Williams transferred. This is a lot for you. In fairness, there are a lot of players to keep track of.
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We gotta show up early this season and win some out of conference games to show the team is majorly improving. Recruits will not tolerate another below .500 season
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We gotta show up early this season and win some out of conference games to show the team is majorly improving. Recruits will not tolerate another below .500 season
They haven't bought into this program. Ponds was supposed to be the pied piper, but it hasn't worked out that way. But I think you're right, the program has to show real improvement or we'll never get the top recruits. Let's see if they can get their attention right away.
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we wouldn't have had 5 upperclassmen transfer.
Sima, Ellison, Mussini and Holifield would have been upperclassmen.
That's four, and none of them were upperclassmen, and three of them transferred and one of those was a walk on. So what you said would have been true, except it was false. Which makes you either a liar or a hysteric.
Williams transferred. This is a lot for you. In fairness, there are a lot of players to keep track of.
Williams graduated.
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I'm excited to see what the two newbies from blue blood programs can do. :up:
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When is the big east schedule released?
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When is the big east schedule released?
Next week.
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When is the big east schedule released?
Next week.
Thanks MJ. Gotta book my trip to Marquette
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From what I heard very few MSG games this year. Not sure why
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From what I heard very few MSG games this year. Not sure why
5 BE games I believe
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From what I heard very few MSG games this year. Not sure why
5 BE games I believe
Maybe because of the extra game against Duke?
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From what I heard very few MSG games this year. Not sure why
5 BE games I believe
Maybe because of the extra game against Duke?
and the game vs The Baldi's
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From what I heard very few MSG games this year. Not sure why
Probably because there is no juice in the program
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From what I heard very few MSG games this year. Not sure why
5 BE games I believe
Maybe because of the extra game against Duke?
and the game vs The Baldi's
I'd be afraid who has more fans at this game
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From what I heard very few MSG games this year. Not sure why
5 BE games I believe
I saw less then that but the schedule was not 100% complete. 5 would be good but I saw 4 total on the original schedule including duke.
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From what I heard very few MSG games this year. Not sure why
5 BE games I believe
I saw less then that but the schedule was not 100% complete. 5 would be good but I saw 4 total on the original schedule including duke.
That would be terrible. Might as well cancel season tix
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This is not home court advantage
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I doubt both Iona fans show.
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I have been told it will be 7 games total including Iona. 5 Big East games and Duke. Last year it was 6 big east games but no Duke. Carnesecca gives us a home court advantage I am fine scheduling some of these central US teams that do not draw- Butler, Creighton, Xavier, and Depaul there. Once we start winning and tickets are in demand we can move more games to MSG.
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I forgot about Iona. What I saw 5 total then. Not saying this what the final outcome will be but as of a week ago or so that's what they had so far. They may have been trying to move some of those CA games to MSG
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Also, remember the BIG 10 has their tournament the final week of our regular season. We usually play Providence at home that Saturday so that will definitely change.
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With the other site offline for today (and we will not debate the merits of that), you guys get this bit of breaking news (via Rothstein) first:
@JonRothstein 3m3 minutes ago
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The Big East will release its conference schedule for the 2017-18 season on Tuesday, per a source.
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Stupid to have the game vs. St.Joes at Mohegan on Wednesday night at 7
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I apologize it appears we will indeed only have 5 MSG Games this with 3 of them being Big East Games. 6 Big East games will be on campus.
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I apologize it appears we will indeed only have 5 MSG Games this with 3 of them being Big East Games. 6 Big East games will be on campus.
Disappointing, if true.
Gtown, Nova, and Providence for MSG?
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I apologize it appears we will indeed only have 5 MSG Games this with 3 of them being Big East Games. 6 Big East games will be on campus.
Disappointing, if true.
Gtown, Nova, and Providence for MSG?
I said this week a week again. Was hoping they might change a game or two to msg but doesn't look like it. Georgetown and Nova are at msg. I can't recall the 3rd game, I didn't remember it being providence though. If I had to guess I would say seton hall
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Seton Hall is at MSG - Providence is at CA I believe we are opening up with them.
They want to save money and provide more of a home court. We lose money each game we do not draw 10,000 fans.
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Seton Hall is at MSG - Providence is at CA I believe we are opening up with them.
They want to save money and provide more of a home court. We lose money each game we do not draw 10,000 fans.
Back in the 80s, that's how we did it. MSG was only for Gtown, Syracuse, Holiday Festival (2 games), and one prime non-conference game. We got too big for that, eventually.
Still, should have reduced season ticket prices if they knew they were going to do this. If not, then they should do that for the 18-19 season.
Speaking of the Holiday Festival, looks like we will be the second game of the doubleheader on 12/17, since Army lists their game with Air Force as an 11 am start.
http://www.goarmywestpoint.com/schedule.aspx?path=mbball
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I apologize it appears we will indeed only have 5 MSG Games this with 3 of them being Big East Games. 6 Big East games will be on campus.
That can't be right? No way Xavier is a Carnesecca game?
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I can't remember the last time they played fewer then 5 conference games at MSG even during the Norm years.
Be shocked if they play less than 5 this year.
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Unless something changed last minute we are playing Xavier on campus. We did play them two years ago on campus I believe.
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Sometimes playing good teams on campus sold out is better then playing at msg with 8000 and many opposing fans.
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Good. I prefer Alumni hall games. The two hours plus without alcohol is rough but I like the easy LI access.
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I believe the schedule for all big east schools come out today.
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Good. I prefer Alumni hall games. The two hours plus without alcohol is rough but I like the easy LI access.
Join Red white and you can have alcohol at CA
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Good. I prefer Alumni hall games. The two hours plus without alcohol is rough but I like the easy LI access.
Join Red white and you can have alcohol at CA
Is that true?
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Yes, they have a full bar in the room. You have access before the game, at half and time in the end.
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Georgetown at MSG on Tuesday, 1/9. 6:30 pm
http://www.redstormsports.com/sports/m-baskbl/sched/stjo-m-baskbl-sched.html
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Schedule up through Duke game, now.
Nova at MSG on a Saturday night, apparently.
http://www.redstormsports.com/sports/m-baskbl/sched/stjo-m-baskbl-sched.html
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It's up in full.
http://www.redstormsports.com/sports/m-baskbl/sched/stjo-m-baskbl-sched.html
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Only 3 big east games on campus.
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Only 3 big east games on campus.
Only 3 at MSG. You were right according to this thing.
Second week of January should be fun, with Gtown and Nova at MSG back-to-back, the latter on a Saturday night (Rangers play the Ice-landers at 1 pm that day, that's how we got the night game).
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They've taken the schedule off the site now, but odds are what we saw earlier was correct.
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Here it is: http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/stjo/sports/m-baskbl/auto_pdf/2017-18/schedule/schedule.pdf
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Marley Paul
@MarleyPaul22
St. John's exhibition game is Oct. 31, hosting American International College in Queens. #sjubb
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Very nice to see that Opening Night against New Orleans is on Friday 11/10, should make for a fun way to start a wknd. Between Orlando, AZ/LA, and the day trip up to CT, this team has to win on the road this Fall in order for the Winter to be fully enjoyable, bottom line. We need to have a strong OOC record.
The Garden highlights of the season for ticket holders are Duke on Superbowl Saturday and Villanova on a Saturday night in February.
Carnesecca hosts 4 terrific night matchups throughout the Big East season. Hosting Providence on the Thursday of holiday week should be a great atmosphere, as should JAN-FEB 830P/9P tip times for Creighton, X and Butler if the season has momentum. CA could prove to be a valuable homecourt advantage this season bc we all know how that place could get rocking on Winter nights with a good team.
Good to see that there are 3 BE Saturday road games that are all driveable. (@Hall 12/31, @GTown, 1/20, @Prov 3/3). I'll be hitting the pavement for sure.
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Good. I prefer Alumni hall games. The two hours plus without alcohol is rough but I like the easy LI access.
Do you like the severe back pain that stays with you for a week .
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Home schedule is almost as bad is the defense we play. Beyond embarrassing. We are becoming DePaul. 2 garden games where we will give up 200 plus points in front of nova and duke fans. I have not missed to many home games in 20 years, maybe alumni hall was a great atmosphere in 1985. That was a long time ago.
We have some good players. No toughness. No rebounding. No defense. Now almost no garden.
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Zach B
MSG source on St John's: Less available dates bc of Big Ten tourney and Grammys. Nothing more than that #sjubb
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Zach article on the same
http://nypost.com/2017/09/12/st-johns-wont-be-getting-much-love-from-the-garden-this-season/
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I love when we play in the Garden and attend all those games, but I went to two games at Carnesecca last year with a bunch of guys (non-alums, so their first time) and we thought it was a fun atmosphere.
Home schedule is almost as bad is the defense we play. Beyond embarrassing. We are becoming DePaul. 2 garden games where we will give up 200 plus points in front of nova and duke fans. I have not missed to many home games in 20 years, maybe alumni hall was a great atmosphere in 1985. That was a long time ago.
We have some good players. No toughness. No rebounding. No defense. Now almost no garden.
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That is not true.
2/10 open and 2/28 are open at MSG.
Grammys are closing MSG from 1/21 to 1/30
School is losing money by playing games at MSG with less than 10,000 paid tickets sold. Xavier, Creighton, Depaul, Marquette would all draw under 10,000 so makes no sense to play them. ALso, looking for a home court advantage that we did not get at MSG.
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I love when we play in the Garden and attend all those games, but I went to two games at Carnesecca last year with a bunch of guys (non-alums, so their first time) and we thought it was a fun atmosphere.
Home schedule is almost as bad is the defense we play. Beyond embarrassing. We are becoming DePaul. 2 garden games where we will give up 200 plus points in front of nova and duke fans. I have not missed to many home games in 20 years, maybe alumni hall was a great atmosphere in 1985. That was a long time ago.
We have some good players. No toughness. No rebounding. No defense. Now almost no garden.
I agree this will be a help this year- better home court advantage.
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I get that people would like more msg games but hard to justify paying for msg when it's half empty. As someone else said I really think that's the big reason we are only playing their 5 times total. If we are going to play more games on campus moving forward we definitely need a new or hugely upgraded facility. The problem now is msg is one of the best arenas in the country and CA is a dump so playing less games at msg upsets everyone.
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How much does school lose each time when under 10K at MSG?
Is it worth a continued partial subsidy for a few more (not all) vs. Imaginary money for new/upgraded on campus arena?
Have to admit though, the home White Out game vs. Butler was great and would not have had same impact at MSG with a fee more fans scattered throughout.
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It wasn't that long ago where we had decent crowds at the garden and beat good teams. Deangelo Harrison is only 24 years old for gods sake. We were good for 5 years. Were their issues? Absolutely! However we had 5 years of fun.
We don't need a so called home court advantage, I started school in 96. Since then how many so called big games have we won on campus ? That idea is absurd! No one (players or fans) want to play on union turnpike.
My opinion, a competent coaching staff comes in. We are revelvant immediately. Mike rice isn't great but he would be competent.
No changes made. We continue to get killed. Mullin still hasn't brought anyone in yet to help. Why?
It is different watching the games in person, looking at the coach . Comparing him to the other coach. Watching ed Cooley coaching his team. And watching our coach not interacting as much with his team. He does atleast once a game tell someone loudly to shut the fxck up though.
The Grammies are one night. We usually play 1 game at the end of the season, when then big 10 tournament will take place. 2 big east home games. Fxcking Iona and a most likely ass beating from duke. That is sad.
Chris Mullin is our coach he owes us better. I was the first off the bandwagon. And I tried to stay on. After the last absolute beat down . I have no faith. No changes were made to the staff. I expect the more blow outs and upsets. We play an awful style of basketball. The goal is to win not score points. Lovett and ponds are great . They will win some games. But we will not sniff the tournament.
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2 less home games at MSG than last year. As a season ticket holder it sucks but I'm not about to jump off a bridge like Tony here.
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Maybe our new athletic director is more focused on soccer?
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Good. I prefer Alumni hall games. The two hours plus without alcohol is rough but I like the easy LI access.
Join Red white and you can have alcohol at CA
I know. But I'm a proud member of the disappearing middle class and can't afford it.
Every last red cent I've ever made or will ever make goes to send my kids to overpriced institutions of higher learning.
Maybe one day.
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Good. I prefer Alumni hall games. The two hours plus without alcohol is rough but I like the easy LI access.
Do you like the severe back pain that stays with you for a week .
I'm have been lucky so far in that regard. My back never bothers me. My knees are another story.
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No one (players or fans) want to play on union turnpike.
I'm not no one. I'll bet there are some others too.
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No one (players or fans) want to play on union turnpike.
I'm not no one. I'll bet there are some others too.
I love the games at Carnesecca Arena as well, but MSG is the drawing card for St.John's recruits. The average casual college basketball fan doesn't even know where Carnesecca Arena is. We should be playing our big conference and big non conference games in a venue that gives the program their best chance to show fans, recruits either in person or on TV that we do indeed have a program worth following. While we may enjoy the on campus games, no recruit chooses us because they get to play in Queens.
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No one (players or fans) want to play on union turnpike.
I'm not no one. I'll bet there are some others too.
I love the games at Carnesecca Arena as well, but MSG is the drawing card for St.John's recruits. The average casual college basketball fan doesn't even know where Carnesecca Arena is. We should be playing our big conference and big non conference games in a venue that gives the program their best chance to show fans, recruits either in person or on TV that we do indeed have a program worth following. While we may enjoy the on campus games, no recruit chooses us because they get to play in Queens.
That's a fair and reasonable point Michael.
On the other hand, winning more games might attract fans and recruits as well. Alumni Hall is going to provide a good home court advantage for most of the games held there. The Garden - not so much.
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That is not true.
2/10 open and 2/28 are open at MSG.
Grammys are closing MSG from 1/21 to 1/30
School is losing money by playing games at MSG with less than 10,000 paid tickets sold. Xavier, Creighton, Depaul, Marquette would all draw under 10,000 so makes no sense to play them. ALso, looking for a home court advantage that we did not get at MSG.
Agreed. Bottom line in old Big East with ND, Cuse, Louisville, UCONN etc no way those games ever get played at Carnesecca regardless of scheduling conflicts. Not in a million years. With those schools because they have large fan bases in NY area and they travel no need to worry about SJU being good enough to fill Garden. Now they are more dependent on SJU being good which means it's time to win.
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We have a solid year and there will be a few more games at MSG next year; perhaps a Marquette which has drawn solid in the past or a Xavier/Prov.
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That is not true.
2/10 open and 2/28 are open at MSG.
Grammys are closing MSG from 1/21 to 1/30
School is losing money by playing games at MSG with less than 10,000 paid tickets sold. Xavier, Creighton, Depaul, Marquette would all draw under 10,000 so makes no sense to play them. ALso, looking for a home court advantage that we did not get at MSG.
Agreed. Bottom line in old Big East with ND, Cuse, Louisville, UCONN etc no way those games ever get played at Carnesecca regardless of scheduling conflicts. Not in a million years. With those schools because they have large fan bases in NY area and they travel no need to worry about SJU being good enough to fill Garden. Now they are more dependent on SJU being good which means it's time to win.
Ironically those teams had an advantage by essentially playing us on a neutral court at MSG and a home court...I also would have liked to see Rice hired. Advantages vastly outweigh disadvantages and the price is right. I am disappointed. But I'm a SJU fan, so I'm used to disappointment.
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We have a solid year and there will be a few more games at MSG next year; perhaps a Marquette which has drawn solid in the past or a Xavier/Prov.
And they will probably increase tickets then
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No one (players or fans) want to play on union turnpike.
I'm not no one. I'll bet there are some others too.
I love the games at Carnesecca Arena as well, but MSG is the drawing card for St.John's recruits. The average casual college basketball fan doesn't even know where Carnesecca Arena is. We should be playing our big conference and big non conference games in a venue that gives the program their best chance to show fans, recruits either in person or on TV that we do indeed have a program worth following. While we may enjoy the on campus games, no recruit chooses us because they get to play in Queens.
That's a fair and reasonable point Michael.
On the other hand, winning more games might attract fans and recruits as well. Alumni Hall is going to provide a good home court advantage for most of the games held there. The Garden - not so much.
How many games do you think we're going to win knowing that we have 9 players and that one of them is Amar Alibegovic? The thing is, people don't care where we play when we aren't a winner, because they don't care about us at all. Winning brings fans out at both venues, but they also need to provide a premium opponent, the whether we like it or not, there's no SU or Uconn game to provide that. Only Nova.
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No one (players or fans) want to play on union turnpike.
I'm not no one. I'll bet there are some others too.
I love the games at Carnesecca Arena as well, but MSG is the drawing card for St.John's recruits. The average casual college basketball fan doesn't even know where Carnesecca Arena is. We should be playing our big conference and big non conference games in a venue that gives the program their best chance to show fans, recruits either in person or on TV that we do indeed have a program worth following. While we may enjoy the on campus games, no recruit chooses us because they get to play in Queens.
That's a fair and reasonable point Michael.
On the other hand, winning more games might attract fans and recruits as well. Alumni Hall is going to provide a good home court advantage for most of the games held there. The Garden - not so much.
How many games do you think we're going to win knowing that we have 9 players and that one of them is Amar Alibegovic? The thing is, people don't care where we play when we aren't a winner, because they don't care about us at all. Winning brings fans out at both venues, but they also need to provide a premium opponent, the whether we like it or not, there's no SU or Uconn game to provide that. Only Nova.
You go back and forth on this. Ive seen you say we are kinda loaded and ive seen the above. So poison, how many games do you think we're going to win knowing that we have 9 players and that one of them is Amar Alibegovic?
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It wasn't that long ago where we had decent crowds at the garden and beat good teams. Deangelo Harrison is only 24 years old for gods sake. We were good for 5 years. Were their issues? Absolutely! However we had 5 years of fun.
We don't need a so called home court advantage, I started school in 96. Since then how many so called big games have we won on campus ? That idea is absurd! No one (players or fans) want to play on union turnpike.
My opinion, a competent coaching staff comes in. We are revelvant immediately. Mike rice isn't great but he would be competent.
No changes made. We continue to get killed. Mullin still hasn't brought anyone in yet to help. Why?
It is different watching the games in person, looking at the coach . Comparing him to the other coach. Watching ed Cooley coaching his team. And watching our coach not interacting as much with his team. He does atleast once a game tell someone loudly to shut the fxck up though.
The Grammies are one night. We usually play 1 game at the end of the season, when then big 10 tournament will take place. 2 big east home games. Fxcking Iona and a most likely ass beating from duke. That is sad.
Chris Mullin is our coach he owes us better. I was the first off the bandwagon. And I tried to stay on. After the last absolute beat down . I have no faith. No changes were made to the staff. I expect the more blow outs and upsets. We play an awful style of basketball. The goal is to win not score points. Lovett and ponds are great . They will win some games. But we will not sniff the tournament.
Awful style of basketball? I know we don't have the same talent, but SJU runs the same exact Golden State motion offense that has won them multiple championships. Hence the reason we shattered our three point record last year. It's not an awful style of basketball, we just don't have the talent yet.
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No one (players or fans) want to play on union turnpike.
I'm not no one. I'll bet there are some others too.
I love the games at Carnesecca Arena as well, but MSG is the drawing card for St.John's recruits. The average casual college basketball fan doesn't even know where Carnesecca Arena is. We should be playing our big conference and big non conference games in a venue that gives the program their best chance to show fans, recruits either in person or on TV that we do indeed have a program worth following. While we may enjoy the on campus games, no recruit chooses us because they get to play in Queens.
That's a fair and reasonable point Michael.
On the other hand, winning more games might attract fans and recruits as well. Alumni Hall is going to provide a good home court advantage for most of the games held there. The Garden - not so much.
How many games do you think we're going to win knowing that we have 9 players and that one of them is Amar Alibegovic? The thing is, people don't care where we play when we aren't a winner, because they don't care about us at all. Winning brings fans out at both venues, but they also need to provide a premium opponent, the whether we like it or not, there's no SU or Uconn game to provide that. Only Nova.
You go back and forth on this. Ive seen you say we are kinda loaded and ive seen the above. So poison, how many games do you think we're going to win knowing that we have 9 players and that one of them is Amar Alibegovic?
Towards the end of last year I thought it was possible that the team could take a big step forward next season and make the dance. We still have a strong backcourt, and if they improve the team should as well since LoVett and Ponds are our best players.
However, because of the staff's carelessness and disinterest in finishing the team, I think the NIT will require a lot of luck in terms of staying healthy. We have no depth inside, and it clearly could have been avoided.
We have 9 players, and yeah, I saw this coming a mile away. Why the F the staff didn't tells me changes need to be made. Where specifically, IDK. No St.John's team makes it through a season without several injuries. If we lose one big man, Amar Alibegovic is playing until he fouls out and that could take all of 5 minutes. Imagine him playing against Duke.
I think they'll win 16/17 games and win one NIT game. If anyone thinks that's progress they need to get their head examined.
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Poison, I will bet you $100 a game on the over/under on 17 wins for this coming year. That includes regular season plus all tournament games (Big East, NCAA or NIT only). I of course will take the over. 17 wins is a push. I don't think you have the balls to take the bet.
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Poison, I will bet you $100 a game on the over/under on 17 wins for this coming year. That includes regular season plus all tournament games (Big East, NCAA or NIT only). I of course will take the over. 17 wins is a push. I don't think you have the balls to take the bet.
I don't have the balls to make any bet, but good for you for trying.
To be clear, I am picking 16/17 wins as opposed to 21, which I would have gone with had the staff assembled a balanced roster with 11/12 players. Since we only have 9, and since kids get hurt, I see a completely obvious disadvantage provided to us by the staff. Feel free to disagree, and I'd like to know.
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MSG will be shut down for 10 days to set up for the grammy's..
The other problem is St. John's gives away a lot of free tickets to groups so the attendance numbers at MSG are inflated. The 10,000 number is actually tickets sold. We had 16.000 for first responders night vs Marquette last year. However 10,000 were given away and the school took a loss. The only game St. John's made money at last year was Nova and Georgetown. They took a loss at the rest of the games. With the slice thing going on they are looking at making prudent financial decisions.
As fans we can complain but two things will change this. Winning and more fans buying tickets. If fans are not going to show up then we will continue to play more CA games.
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I think it's fine to play a few less at msg this season. Main thing is winning. If we have a good season, hopefully we increase games at garden next year. We still do play other games outside the big east games like Duke etc. it's more important that we win. And as much as I can't stand uconn and Syracuse, I wish they were both back on schedule at MSG. Both are big draws and the dislike of each other makes it a fun matchup.
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let's make our fans and recruits sit on bleachers in queens even more often.
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Amen - MNCPA - Agree with you on everything!!
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It wasn't that long ago where we had decent crowds at the garden and beat good teams. Deangelo Harrison is only 24 years old for gods sake. We were good for 5 years. Were their issues? Absolutely! However we had 5 years of fun.
We don't need a so called home court advantage, I started school in 96. Since then how many so called big games have we won on campus ? That idea is absurd! No one (players or fans) want to play on union turnpike.
My opinion, a competent coaching staff comes in. We are revelvant immediately. Mike rice isn't great but he would be competent.
No changes made. We continue to get killed. Mullin still hasn't brought anyone in yet to help. Why?
It is different watching the games in person, looking at the coach . Comparing him to the other coach. Watching ed Cooley coaching his team. And watching our coach not interacting as much with his team. He does atleast once a game tell someone loudly to shut the fxck up though.
The Grammies are one night. We usually play 1 game at the end of the season, when then big 10 tournament will take place. 2 big east home games. Fxcking Iona and a most likely ass beating from duke. That is sad.
Chris Mullin is our coach he owes us better. I was the first off the bandwagon. And I tried to stay on. After the last absolute beat down . I have no faith. No changes were made to the staff. I expect the more blow outs and upsets. We play an awful style of basketball. The goal is to win not score points. Lovett and ponds are great . They will win some games. But we will not sniff the tournament.
MSG will be shut down for 10 days to set up for the grammy's..
The other problem is St. John's gives away a lot of free tickets to groups so the attendance numbers at MSG are inflated. The 10,000 number is actually tickets sold. We had 16.000 for first responders night vs Marquette last year. However 10,000 were given away and the school took a loss. The only game St. John's made money at last year was Nova and Georgetown. They took a loss at the rest of the games. With the slice thing going on they are looking at making prudent financial decisions.
As fans we can complain but two things will change this. Winning and more fans buying tickets. If fans are not going to show up then we will continue to play more CA games.
Excellent post. I like the idea of giving away tickets to youth groups. , fills up seats and may get future fans. Too bad Carneseca arena can't be made a little bigger and more comfortable seats put in. All the money would go to SJU and would be a true home court advantage. In the 80 s most of our games were played there and you could expect a victory. We had an unbelievable record there. Don't get me wrong I'd love to sell out MSG , but we would have to be real good for that to happen... Regarding our depth if we get Morgan, he will eligible in Dec. and that will help a lot. He was highly regarded coming out of HS.
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2 less home games at MSG than last year. As a season ticket holder it sucks but I'm not about to jump off a bridge like Tony here.
I reiterate. It's the seats, the lack of comfort,( both less roomy and death on a bad back ) and poor or no air circulation as well..
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I think it's fine to play a few less at msg this season. Main thing is winning. If we have a good season, hopefully we increase games at garden next year. We still do play other games outside the big east games like Duke etc. it's more important that we win. And as much as I can't stand uconn and Syracuse, I wish they were both back on schedule at MSG. Both are big draws and the dislike of each other makes it a fun matchup.
Yes they are big draws but most of the increase goes to their students.
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2 less home games at MSG than last year. As a season ticket holder it sucks but I'm not about to jump off a bridge like Tony here.
I reiterate. It's the seats, the lack of comfort,( both less roomy and death on a bad back ) and poor or no air circulation as well..
I mean I know, I have season tickets, am at 99% of the games and I am 6'5 300 pounds. CA seating sucks ass, but I'm not about to complain like a madman about 2 games.
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Last year we had 3 games at the Garden with 8K to 9K--too many empty seats. First let's fill CA so it is Standing Room only and it becomes a "real" home court advantage and then we can build a bigger fan base. I remember when we sold out CA to season ticket holders and then had an additional "garden only" package. To do that we need to win and fill CA first.
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I think it's fine to play a few less at msg this season. Main thing is winning. If we have a good season, hopefully we increase games at garden next year. We still do play other games outside the big east games like Duke etc. it's more important that we win. And as much as I can't stand uconn and Syracuse, I wish they were both back on schedule at MSG. Both are big draws and the dislike of each other makes it a fun matchup.
Yes they are big draws but most of the increase goes to their students.
Not at all. Both teams have great traveling fans. Both Syracuse and Uconn would make money for SJU in the garden very easily. It's unfortunate that Cuse cancelled the series. Uconn still an option in the future and it would be smart for us to consider it.
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Maybe next year get something going.
I believe we are trying to get one major out of conference game at home per year.
However, I do like them sitting in the AAC with absolutely nothing.
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How many games do you think we're going to win knowing that we have 9 players and that one of them is Amar Alibegovic?
I haven't done the math yet but I'm predicting an Ncaa tournament bid:
LP shine
Miller and Izzo brilliance rubbed off
Bash scores same amount with less turnovers
Tariq's increased skill complements that world class motor
Lube's sophomore year was a mirage
Less (players) is more, cohesion reigns and it's an advantage not a disadvantage
Defense no longer a dirty word on Utopia pkwy.
Da Ali B has his best season as a senior
Coaching staff improves in third start off the lay off
And last but not least the stars align and lions lay down with lambs
Could happen
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How many games do you think we're going to win knowing that we have 9 players and that one of them is Amar Alibegovic?
I haven't done the math yet but I'm predicting an Ncaa tournament bid:
LP shine
Miller and Izzo brilliance rubbed off
Bash scores same amount with less turnovers
Tariq's increased skill complements that world class motor
Lube's sophomore year was a mirage
Less (players) is more, cohesion reigns and it's an advantage not a disadvantage
Defense no longer a dirty word on Utopia pkwy.
Da Ali B has his best season as a senior
Coaching staff improves in third start off the lay off
And last but not least the stars align and lions lay down with lambs
Could happen
The staff didn't do the math either. They have never had less size. They are two injuries away from a 14 win season and every season since I can remember they have at least two injuries. There are always variables that will sway the season in either direction. The staff has bombed so much so in fielding this class consisting of one 3 star recruit that they've likely scared off the top 100 kids for 2018 from coming here.
Let's see them work with what they've built. If this is a legit BE coaching staff, prove it. 9 players, 8 players, 7 players... they made their bed.
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I think it's fine to play a few less at msg this season. Main thing is winning. If we have a good season, hopefully we increase games at garden next year. We still do play other games outside the big east games like Duke etc. it's more important that we win. And as much as I can't stand uconn and Syracuse, I wish they were both back on schedule at MSG. Both are big draws and the dislike of each other makes it a fun matchup.
Yes they are big draws but most of the increase goes to their students.
Not at all. Both teams have great traveling fans. Both Syracuse and Uconn would make money for SJU in the garden very easily. It's unfortunate that Cuse cancelled the series. Uconn still an option in the future and it would be smart for us to consider it.
I'm not talking about making money. I'm talking about winning games and not allowing regional opponents to display their wares on our home court.
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This year the team has the big goal of making the tournament, and any advantage that they can get makes sense. If CA provides a better advantage then so be it. SJU is two decades away from being the other professional team at MSG with strong crowds. The SJU/Georgetown BET game gives hope about having a buzz back in the building.
In one way it is impressive how SJU has not been able to balance a roster in almost 10 years and with three different coaches trying to do it. I still have faith that this coaching staff can do it. Being short handed again is frustrating, but the circumstances are different. The staff's original recruiting class was to grab as many players as possible in a short amount of time. The result was these players got a lot of playing time. As better recruits arrive and playing time and roles decrease for other players it makes sense that players will transfer out.
Another part to this is Coach Mullin growing as a coach at the same time his staff had to rebuild an entire program. There will be head scratching moves and mistakes along the way, but overall this team improved from year one to year two, to include taking down the the 13th rank team in the nation. There were some bad loses, but the team did improve overall.
Hope springs eternal before a season starts and there are legitimate concerns, but the staff has raise the expectations this year, and I think this is all positives for the program. I'm hoping the results are the same.
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For anyone planning to attend Advocare tourney in Orlando....
Received e-mail om alumni reception on Fri night 11/24 @ the resort
http://www.stjohns.edu/about/events/orlando-thanksgiving-reception
Looking forward to it. The event & spread at last year at Atlantis was good.
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For anyone planning to attend Advocare tourney in Orlando....
Received e-mail om alumni reception on Fri night 11/24 @ the resort
http://www.stjohns.edu/about/events/orlando-thanksgiving-reception
Looking forward to it. The event & spread at last year at Atlantis was good.
Awesome hotel btw.
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For anyone planning to attend Advocare tourney in Orlando....
Received e-mail om alumni reception on Fri night 11/24 @ the resort
http://www.stjohns.edu/about/events/orlando-thanksgiving-reception
Looking forward to it. The event & spread at last year at Atlantis was good.
I will not be joining you this year Nc. It's too bad. Basketball tourism is fun!
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FYI Nebraska manhandled Mississippi St. this afternoon in a charity exhibition. They're in Queens in 3 weeks in what should prove to be a huge game for us.
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FYI Nebraska manhandled Mississippi St. this afternoon in a charity exhibition. They're in Queens in 3 weeks in what should prove to be a huge game for us.
They beat them by 4, and I wouldn't read too much into these exhibitions
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FYI Nebraska manhandled Mississippi St. this afternoon in a charity exhibition. They're in Queens in 3 weeks in what should prove to be a huge game for us.
They beat them by 4, and I wouldn't read too much into these exhibitions
Well in soccer that would be a manhandling.
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Fran Fraschilla
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Got to watch @StJohnsBBall practice today. Very impressed with LoVett, Ponds, Simon backcourt. Each brings something very good to table.
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That Arizona St game is looking more an more daunting. They housed Xavier today.
Combine that with Duke in February, the game today, Grand Canyon, even St. Joe's on a neutral floor.
Not bad...
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That Arizona St game is looking more an more daunting. They housed Xavier today.
Combine that with Duke in February, the game today, Grand Canyon, even St. Joe's on a neutral floor.
Not bad...
As, of today..... I think we lose to Arizona State and Duke, and beat Grand Canyon and St. Joe's. I'd love to be proven wrong on the former.
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That Arizona St game is looking more an more daunting. They housed Xavier today.
Combine that with Duke in February, the game today, Grand Canyon, even St. Joe's on a neutral floor.
Not bad...
As, of today..... I think we lose to Arizona State and Duke, and beat Grand Canyon and St. Joe's. I'd love to be proven wrong on the former.
May need to beat AZ St. BTW-The Pac-12 especially Arizona have been a disaster this early.
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That Arizona St game is looking more an more daunting. They housed Xavier today.
Combine that with Duke in February, the game today, Grand Canyon, even St. Joe's on a neutral floor.
Not bad...
As, of today..... I think we lose to Arizona State and Duke, and beat Grand Canyon and St. Joe's. I'd love to be proven wrong on the former.
May need to beat AZ St. BTW-The Pac-12 especially Arizona have been a disaster this early.
Arizona, with their embarrassingly good level of talent certainly has. I hope we beat Az State, but right now we aren't playing like we can.
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That Arizona St game is looking more an more daunting. They housed Xavier today.
Combine that with Duke in February, the game today, Grand Canyon, even St. Joe's on a neutral floor.
Not bad...
As, of today..... I think we lose to Arizona State and Duke, and beat Grand Canyon and St. Joe's. I'd love to be proven wrong on the former.
I'm with you on this
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Need to be 8-1 when they play Ariz St.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hnZI6pTYeo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVQ87r3CorQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1qrvMBfg4E
We're getting VERY lucky by not having this game on the Grand Canyon campus. Nevertheless their AD and administration is trying to bring this environment to downtown Phoenix, it won't be the same:
GCU HavocsVerified account @GCUHavocs · 55m55 minutes ago
Come to the union GCBC from 12-2 to claim your free ticket to @GCU_MBB vs. St. John's🎟🎟🎟
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Must be nice to have a school that does everything in its power to get the students involved.
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Sure does not look like this is a gimme.
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Must be nice to have a school that does everything in its power to get the students involved.
+1 . They sure have a lot of fans, for what I thought was an online university.
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The game is not on campus correct? I believe it is part of a tournament. The tournament site looks like it is in Phoenix which is close to their campus I’m sure but it will make a big difference as far as the atmosphere.
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if i remember the game is at talking stick which is on the indian reservation east of scottdale. Unless they are busing kids its not easy to get to.
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Must be nice to have a school that does everything in its power to get the students involved.
+1 . They sure have a lot of fans, for what I thought was an online university.
Did you also think they played their basketball games on line. ;) :)
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Must be nice to have a school that does everything in its power to get the students involved.
+1 . They sure have a lot of fans, for what I thought was an online university.
Did you also think they played their basketball games on line. ;) :)
Good one. Never heard of them a couple years ago , except for seeing adds for online courses. Did watch a big football game at their stadium. Something like the Super Bowl or national championship and was perplexed .
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Must be nice to have a school that does everything in its power to get the students involved.
+1 . They sure have a lot of fans, for what I thought was an online university.
Did you also think they played their basketball games on line. ;) :)
Good one. Never heard of them a couple years ago , except for seeing adds for online courses. Did watch a big football game at their stadium. Something like the Super Bowl or national championship and was perplexed .
University of Phoenix
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LOL
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FYI-SJU's strength of schedule is no. 21 in the RPI, that is the highest ranking in the BE.
Keep in mind SJU has not played the signature game in the non-conference schedule yet, Duke.
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Sju 2-2 vs top 100. Going to get at least 13 more games vs top 100