6th Man of St. John's Basketball
St. John's Red Storm => In The Jungle... => Topic started by: fordham96 on January 14, 2018, 11:09:09 PM
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...the decision to not extend Steve Lavin and to bring in the Legend was, again for me at least, to see this program take the leap towards challenging Villanova for tops in the BE. The thinking by SJU imho was that SJU has all the tools to be every bit as good as Villanova and Lavin and his sometimes laid back if not lazy approach was not going to ultimately take them there. And it was clear early on with the luring of Rohrssen from Kentucky that SJU was putting in the monetary muscle to accomplish this goal as well. In other words Chris was going to be given advantages that others were not. All to commit to this goal of being the very best.
We can argue about how long it would take for Coach Mullin to get SJU there. Obviously I did not expect them to challenge for first place in year 1, 2 or even 3. But I honestly thought that this year would for the first time put in place the roster structure and then on the court show the progress that would finally say SJU is right there and just a piece or two away from challenging Nova.
The thing is now I honestly don't think SJU is that close to that. That this year is turning into a HUGE step backwards is incredibly discouraging and cannot be disguised as simply roster issues that are being fixed or Lovett injury.
I mean I can't be the only one who is thinking that if you would have told me after they hired Chris they would be 8-34 in BE play early in year 3, would be 0-6 in year 3 with losses to DePaul and Georgetown at home, would fail to land any consensus top 50 recruits and may finish in last place in year 3 I would have said you are nuts. No way with that staff (including Rohrssen) and Chris' ability to connect no way would SJU be that bad.
I sure hope the people arguing SJU is close are right. But hard to see it.
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Go to sleep, it’s not that serious.
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Look, it's year 3 of a complete rebuild. Up until about 2 and a half weeks ago we were right on track to where we realistically wanted to be in year 3 of the Mullin era. The Lovett injury was bad luck and kind of derailed the season, and yes it is 100% on the staff that they didn't bring in a more complete roster to help absorb the loss of any player that got hurt, but losing your starting PG is going to hurt regardless.
I've been extremely critical of the in-game coaching and style of play that this team has exhibited over the past few weeks. I think it is a huge detriment and needs to be addressed in a big way before next season if Mullin is going to turn it around, and I think Mullin will make changes to his staff to bring in real X's and O's guys.
Let's look at Northwestern over the past season and a half. Last year they had their usual low expectations and they managed to greatly exceed them, make their 1st NCAA tournament in program history and push Gonzaga to the limit in the 2nd round. They lost one starter (their 4th or 5th best one) and returned literally everybody else of importance. For one reason or another they are a complete dumpster fire this year after being a preseason top 25 team. Chris Collins is probably a really good coach that is just not making it work this season after making all the right moves last year. My point here is that the team/staff may not be as good as perceived at their highest point and not as bad as perceived at their lowest point.
Am I saying Chris Mullin is Chris Collins? No. What I am saying is sometimes shit happens in this sport and you can't reasonably make a decision one way or another on a coaching staff based on a two and a half week period of play. I have no idea if Mullin will ever achieve great success here and my instincts say he won't unless he swallows his pride and brings in a couple of assistant coaches that will really help with both the basketball and recruiting end of things. I do think he does have a decent chance to turn things around if he does, but we'll see
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Look, it's year 3 of a complete rebuild. Up until about 2 and a half weeks ago we were right on track to where we realistically wanted to be in year 3 of the Mullin era. The Lovett injury was bad luck and kind of derailed the season, and yes it is 100% on the staff that they didn't bring in a more complete roster to help absorb the loss of any player that got hurt, but losing your starting PG is going to hurt regardless.
I've been extremely critical of the in-game coaching and style of play that this team has exhibited over the past few weeks. I think it is a huge detriment and needs to be addressed in a big way before next season if Mullin is going to turn it around, and I think Mullin will make changes to his staff to bring in real X's and O's guys.
Let's look at Northwestern over the past season and a half. Last year they had their usual low expectations and they managed to greatly exceed them, make their 1st NCAA tournament in program history and push Gonzaga to the limit in the 2nd round. They lost one starter (their 4th or 5th best one) and returned literally everybody else of importance. For one reason or another they are a complete dumpster fire this year after being a preseason top 25 team. Chris Collins is probably a really good coach that is just not making it work this season after making all the right moves last year. My point here is that the team/staff may not be as good as perceived at their highest point and not as bad as perceived at their lowest point.
Am I saying Chris Mullin is Chris Collins? No. What I am saying is sometimes shit happens in this sport and you can't reasonably make a decision one way or another on a coaching staff based on a two and a half week period of play. I have no idea if Mullin will ever achieve great success here and my instincts say he won't unless he swallows his pride and brings in a couple of assistant coaches that will really help with both the basketball and recruiting end of things. I do think he does have a decent chance to turn things around if he does, but we'll see
I will say this. The combination of not having an experienced bench coach with his hands off approach is kind of baffling.
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Look, it's year 3 of a complete rebuild. Up until about 2 and a half weeks ago we were right on track to where we realistically wanted to be in year 3 of the Mullin era. The Lovett injury was bad luck and kind of derailed the season, and yes it is 100% on the staff that they didn't bring in a more complete roster to help absorb the loss of any player that got hurt, but losing your starting PG is going to hurt regardless.
I've been extremely critical of the in-game coaching and style of play that this team has exhibited over the past few weeks. I think it is a huge detriment and needs to be addressed in a big way before next season if Mullin is going to turn it around, and I think Mullin will make changes to his staff to bring in real X's and O's guys.
Let's look at Northwestern over the past season and a half. Last year they had their usual low expectations and they managed to greatly exceed them, make their 1st NCAA tournament in program history and push Gonzaga to the limit in the 2nd round. They lost one starter (their 4th or 5th best one) and returned literally everybody else of importance. For one reason or another they are a complete dumpster fire this year after being a preseason top 25 team. Chris Collins is probably a really good coach that is just not making it work this season after making all the right moves last year. My point here is that the team/staff may not be as good as perceived at their highest point and not as bad as perceived at their lowest point.
Am I saying Chris Mullin is Chris Collins? No. What I am saying is sometimes shit happens in this sport and you can't reasonably make a decision one way or another on a coaching staff based on a two and a half week period of play. I have no idea if Mullin will ever achieve great success here and my instincts say he won't unless he swallows his pride and brings in a couple of assistant coaches that will really help with both the basketball and recruiting end of things. I do think he does have a decent chance to turn things around if he does, but we'll see
I will say this. The combination of not having an experienced bench coach with his hands off approach is kind of baffling.
I agree, and I think that's priority #1 right now after this season is over. It's possible for Mullin to turn this around but he won't do it with this current staff. Matt is solid in as job as the hustling recruiter but he can't do it on his own. I get Mitch Richmond has appeal when Matt is pitching recruits that they can play for 2 Hall of Fame players but he can do what he does as DOBO and not as an AC. He doesn't recruit and he's not an X's and O's guy so why is he an AC. St. Jean should be grinding his teeth at a lower level. A 26 year old can't be the only X's and O's guy on the staff.
Ideally to me, we should keep Matt, hire one experienced former head coach that only deals with X's and O's stuff and a guy that is half X's and O's and half recruiting. We'll see what Mullin ends up doing
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Look, it's year 3 of a complete rebuild. Up until about 2 and a half weeks ago we were right on track to where we realistically wanted to be in year 3 of the Mullin era. The Lovett injury was bad luck and kind of derailed the season, and yes it is 100% on the staff that they didn't bring in a more complete roster to help absorb the loss of any player that got hurt, but losing your starting PG is going to hurt regardless.
I've been extremely critical of the in-game coaching and style of play that this team has exhibited over the past few weeks. I think it is a huge detriment and needs to be addressed in a big way before next season if Mullin is going to turn it around, and I think Mullin will make changes to his staff to bring in real X's and O's guys.
Let's look at Northwestern over the past season and a half. Last year they had their usual low expectations and they managed to greatly exceed them, make their 1st NCAA tournament in program history and push Gonzaga to the limit in the 2nd round. They lost one starter (their 4th or 5th best one) and returned literally everybody else of importance. For one reason or another they are a complete dumpster fire this year after being a preseason top 25 team. Chris Collins is probably a really good coach that is just not making it work this season after making all the right moves last year. My point here is that the team/staff may not be as good as perceived at their highest point and not as bad as perceived at their lowest point.
Am I saying Chris Mullin is Chris Collins? No. What I am saying is sometimes shit happens in this sport and you can't reasonably make a decision one way or another on a coaching staff based on a two and a half week period of play. I have no idea if Mullin will ever achieve great success here and my instincts say he won't unless he swallows his pride and brings in a couple of assistant coaches that will really help with both the basketball and recruiting end of things. I do think he does have a decent chance to turn things around if he does, but we'll see
I will say this. The combination of not having an experienced bench coach with his hands off approach is kind of baffling.
I agree, and I think that's priority #1 right now after this season is over. It's possible for Mullin to turn this around but he won't do it with this current staff. Matt is solid in as job as the hustling recruiter but he can't do it on his own. I get Mitch Richmond has appeal when Matt is pitching recruits that they can play for 2 Hall of Fame players but he can do what he does as DOBO and not as an AC. He doesn't recruit and he's not an X's and O's guy so why is he an AC. St. Jean should be grinding his teeth at a lower level. A 26 year old can't be the only X's and O's guy on the staff.
Ideally to me, we should keep Matt, hire one experienced former head coach that only deals with X's and O's stuff and a guy that is half X's and O's and half recruiting. We'll see what Mullin ends up doing
Here’s a question that I don’t believe has been asked...
Why do we keep saying that Mullin needs an X & O assistant? Hasn’t Chris Mullin always had a reputation as a guy that has a high basketball IQ? Why can’t he draw up a play? Why can’t he communicate with his own team? What exactly other than being Chris Mullin makes him qualified to be a head coach?
IMO, we’ll never see the correct answer. Mullin should take responsibility and accept a demotion. The University should hire a coach who can coach during the f’n game.
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Look, it's year 3 of a complete rebuild. Up until about 2 and a half weeks ago we were right on track to where we realistically wanted to be in year 3 of the Mullin era. The Lovett injury was bad luck and kind of derailed the season, and yes it is 100% on the staff that they didn't bring in a more complete roster to help absorb the loss of any player that got hurt, but losing your starting PG is going to hurt regardless.
I've been extremely critical of the in-game coaching and style of play that this team has exhibited over the past few weeks. I think it is a huge detriment and needs to be addressed in a big way before next season if Mullin is going to turn it around, and I think Mullin will make changes to his staff to bring in real X's and O's guys.
Let's look at Northwestern over the past season and a half. Last year they had their usual low expectations and they managed to greatly exceed them, make their 1st NCAA tournament in program history and push Gonzaga to the limit in the 2nd round. They lost one starter (their 4th or 5th best one) and returned literally everybody else of importance. For one reason or another they are a complete dumpster fire this year after being a preseason top 25 team. Chris Collins is probably a really good coach that is just not making it work this season after making all the right moves last year. My point here is that the team/staff may not be as good as perceived at their highest point and not as bad as perceived at their lowest point.
Am I saying Chris Mullin is Chris Collins? No. What I am saying is sometimes shit happens in this sport and you can't reasonably make a decision one way or another on a coaching staff based on a two and a half week period of play. I have no idea if Mullin will ever achieve great success here and my instincts say he won't unless he swallows his pride and brings in a couple of assistant coaches that will really help with both the basketball and recruiting end of things. I do think he does have a decent chance to turn things around if he does, but we'll see
I will say this. The combination of not having an experienced bench coach with his hands off approach is kind of baffling.
I agree, and I think that's priority #1 right now after this season is over. It's possible for Mullin to turn this around but he won't do it with this current staff. Matt is solid in as job as the hustling recruiter but he can't do it on his own. I get Mitch Richmond has appeal when Matt is pitching recruits that they can play for 2 Hall of Fame players but he can do what he does as DOBO and not as an AC. He doesn't recruit and he's not an X's and O's guy so why is he an AC. St. Jean should be grinding his teeth at a lower level. A 26 year old can't be the only X's and O's guy on the staff.
Ideally to me, we should keep Matt, hire one experienced former head coach that only deals with X's and O's stuff and a guy that is half X's and O's and half recruiting. We'll see what Mullin ends up doing
Here’s a question that I don’t believe has been asked...
Why do we keep saying that Mullin needs an X & O assistant? Hasn’t Chris Mullin always had a reputation as a guy that has a high basketball IQ? Why can’t he draw up a play? Why can’t he communicate with his own team? What exactly other than being Chris Mullin makes him qualified to be a head coach?
IMO, we’ll never see the correct answer. Mullin should take responsibility and accept a demotion. The University should hire a coach who can coach during the f’n game.
Having high basketball IQ as a player or front office guy doesn't necessarily translate into being a coach, especially at the college level when Mullin has been around the NBA game for the last 30 years. It's not so much drawing up a play as it is knowing how to exploit the opponent's weaknesses while making adjustments to make sure your opponent can't exploit your weaknesses. And that's just part of it.
Nothing other than him being Chris Mullin qualifies him to be a head coach. But the same situation happened with Fred Hoiberg. He was a guy that had extremely limited coaching experience and some NBA front office experience before getting the head coaching job at Iowa State just because he was a great player there. He actually wound up turning that program from Big 12 doormat into Big 12 power pretty quickly. Ironically he took over for Greg McDermott who went 6-10, 4-12, 4-12, 4-12 in the Big 12 in his 4 years at Iowa State. Now McDermott is considered one of the better coaches in the country.
I'm not saying Chris Mullin is going to experience anywhere near the same success Hoiberg did at Iowa State and the smart money right now would be on Mullin ending up as a complete failure as coach. But just because he only got the job because he's Chris Mullin doesn't mean he's guaranteed to be a failure, as Hoiberg has shown. He just needs to surround himself with the right people like Hoiberg did
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The talent just isn't there yet. This year's roster is limited even with Lovett. They were also caught up waiting around for Marcus to return. I never felt during the occ that Mullin and staff were being out coached. The things that have bothered me are their stubborness in sticking with man to man and the effort in two of the home defeats. They run some decent sets imo just can't shoot. I would love to see a veteran on the bench aswell like everyone else and I think that will happen.
The problem is Slice struck out with every single recruit his first year and never had a plan b . Matt A. was shaping the roster the best he could and has had some bad luck which he deserves blame for with Zach Brown, Sid Wilson plus striking out with Luther. He also risked the roster to finally get some balance which has obviously hurt them. I really do believe if they sign Alan Griffin along with Greg Williams, Josh Roberts and J'Raan Brooks they are filling the roster with the right type of players. These guys are hungry and get after it. These are the type of kids this program needs. Then go out and get Cockburn,Igiehon Achuiwa, Lecue or whoever.
I really believe they'll get this right... They better.
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The talent just isn't there yet. This year's roster is limited even with Lovett. They were also caught up waiting around for Marcus to return. I never felt during the occ that Mullin and staff were being out coached. The things that have bothered me are their stubborness in sticking with man to man and the effort in two of the home defeats. They run some decent sets imo just can't shoot. I would love to see a veteran on the bench aswell like everyone else and I think that will happen.
The problem is Slice struck out with every single recruit his first year and never had a plan b . Matt A. was shaping the roster the best he could and has had some bad luck which he deserves blame for with Zach Brown, Sid Wilson plus striking out with Luther. He also risked the roster to finally get some balance which has obviously hurt them. I really do believe if they sign Alan Griffin along with Greg Williams, Josh Roberts and J'Raan Brooks they are filling the roster with the right type of players. These guys are hungry and get after it. These are the type of kids this program needs. Then go out and get Cockburn,Igiehon Achuiwa, Lecue or whoever.
I really believe they'll get this right... They better.
Great post. We all said in the preseason that they were so thin that if there was one injury they couldn't withstand it. It happened to the worst possible player. Not having any depth is what's killing them most. Imagine if they have another injury before this season ends? We'd be playing the Molloy walk-ons. In year 3 that's unacceptable. A grad transfer PG should've been on this team.
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This is going to hurt feelings- not intended to-
What if he just doesn’t know what he is doing?
What if he just made a mistake thinking he could did this?
What if he just isn’t willing to put the work in? He is not young he doesn’t need the money .
I believe all these things. I am sure someone will call me names for thinking this. Bad players can be coached better. I don’t believe our players are bad.
We could run an offense. “ Amar never shoot. “ “Amar set a screen for Shamori”
We could guard the 3 point line-
We could box out
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If not signing back Lavin was such a mistake, where was the talent he was bringing in for that next season? We can't diss Mullin, want Lavin back and then argue Amar/LoVett/Mussini's shortcomings is Mullin's responsibility. He was given nothing to work with for year 1. It takes time to build a roster.
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Look, it's year 3 of a complete rebuild. Up until about 2 and a half weeks ago we were right on track to where we realistically wanted to be in year 3 of the Mullin era. The Lovett injury was bad luck and kind of derailed the season, and yes it is 100% on the staff that they didn't bring in a more complete roster to help absorb the loss of any player that got hurt, but losing your starting PG is going to hurt regardless.
I've been extremely critical of the in-game coaching and style of play that this team has exhibited over the past few weeks. I think it is a huge detriment and needs to be addressed in a big way before next season if Mullin is going to turn it around, and I think Mullin will make changes to his staff to bring in real X's and O's guys.
Let's look at Northwestern over the past season and a half. Last year they had their usual low expectations and they managed to greatly exceed them, make their 1st NCAA tournament in program history and push Gonzaga to the limit in the 2nd round. They lost one starter (their 4th or 5th best one) and returned literally everybody else of importance. For one reason or another they are a complete dumpster fire this year after being a preseason top 25 team. Chris Collins is probably a really good coach that is just not making it work this season after making all the right moves last year. My point here is that the team/staff may not be as good as perceived at their highest point and not as bad as perceived at their lowest point.
Am I saying Chris Mullin is Chris Collins? No. What I am saying is sometimes shit happens in this sport and you can't reasonably make a decision one way or another on a coaching staff based on a two and a half week period of play. I have no idea if Mullin will ever achieve great success here and my instincts say he won't unless he swallows his pride and brings in a couple of assistant coaches that will really help with both the basketball and recruiting end of things. I do think he does have a decent chance to turn things around if he does, but we'll see
I will say this. The combination of not having an experienced bench coach with his hands off approach is kind of baffling.
I agree, and I think that's priority #1 right now after this season is over. It's possible for Mullin to turn this around but he won't do it with this current staff. Matt is solid in as job as the hustling recruiter but he can't do it on his own. I get Mitch Richmond has appeal when Matt is pitching recruits that they can play for 2 Hall of Fame players but he can do what he does as DOBO and not as an AC. He doesn't recruit and he's not an X's and O's guy so why is he an AC. St. Jean should be grinding his teeth at a lower level. A 26 year old can't be the only X's and O's guy on the staff.
Ideally to me, we should keep Matt, hire one experienced former head coach that only deals with X's and O's stuff and a guy that is half X's and O's and half recruiting. We'll see what Mullin ends up doing
Here’s a question that I don’t believe has been asked...
Why do we keep saying that Mullin needs an X & O assistant? Hasn’t Chris Mullin always had a reputation as a guy that has a high basketball IQ? Why can’t he draw up a play? Why can’t he communicate with his own team? What exactly other than being Chris Mullin makes him qualified to be a head coach?
IMO, we’ll never see the correct answer. Mullin should take responsibility and accept a demotion. The University should hire a coach who can coach during the f’n game.
Having high basketball IQ as a player or front office guy doesn't necessarily translate into being a coach, especially at the college level when Mullin has been around the NBA game for the last 30 years. It's not so much drawing up a play as it is knowing how to exploit the opponent's weaknesses while making adjustments to make sure your opponent can't exploit your weaknesses. And that's just part of it.
Nothing other than him being Chris Mullin qualifies him to be a head coach. But the same situation happened with Fred Hoiberg. He was a guy that had extremely limited coaching experience and some NBA front office experience before getting the head coaching job at Iowa State just because he was a great player there. He actually wound up turning that program from Big 12 doormat into Big 12 power pretty quickly. Ironically he took over for Greg McDermott who went 6-10, 4-12, 4-12, 4-12 in the Big 12 in his 4 years at Iowa State. Now McDermott is considered one of the better coaches in the country.
I'm not saying Chris Mullin is going to experience anywhere near the same success Hoiberg did at Iowa State and the smart money right now would be on Mullin ending up as a complete failure as coach. But just because he only got the job because he's Chris Mullin doesn't mean he's guaranteed to be a failure, as Hoiberg has shown. He just needs to surround himself with the right people like Hoiberg did
I completely agree. It doesn’t. But listening to people talk about replacing Richmond but not Mullin is laughable. What does one offer that the other doesn’t? I think it’s nothing more than nostalgia. I’ve seen enough of this staff to know I’m ready to move on after this season.
Hire a damn basketball coach. St.John’s always thinks they have a better idea.
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Look, it's year 3 of a complete rebuild. Up until about 2 and a half weeks ago we were right on track to where we realistically wanted to be in year 3 of the Mullin era. The Lovett injury was bad luck and kind of derailed the season, and yes it is 100% on the staff that they didn't bring in a more complete roster to help absorb the loss of any player that got hurt, but losing your starting PG is going to hurt regardless.
I've been extremely critical of the in-game coaching and style of play that this team has exhibited over the past few weeks. I think it is a huge detriment and needs to be addressed in a big way before next season if Mullin is going to turn it around, and I think Mullin will make changes to his staff to bring in real X's and O's guys.
Let's look at Northwestern over the past season and a half. Last year they had their usual low expectations and they managed to greatly exceed them, make their 1st NCAA tournament in program history and push Gonzaga to the limit in the 2nd round. They lost one starter (their 4th or 5th best one) and returned literally everybody else of importance. For one reason or another they are a complete dumpster fire this year after being a preseason top 25 team. Chris Collins is probably a really good coach that is just not making it work this season after making all the right moves last year. My point here is that the team/staff may not be as good as perceived at their highest point and not as bad as perceived at their lowest point.
Am I saying Chris Mullin is Chris Collins? No. What I am saying is sometimes shit happens in this sport and you can't reasonably make a decision one way or another on a coaching staff based on a two and a half week period of play. I have no idea if Mullin will ever achieve great success here and my instincts say he won't unless he swallows his pride and brings in a couple of assistant coaches that will really help with both the basketball and recruiting end of things. I do think he does have a decent chance to turn things around if he does, but we'll see
I will say this. The combination of not having an experienced bench coach with his hands off approach is kind of baffling.
I agree, and I think that's priority #1 right now after this season is over. It's possible for Mullin to turn this around but he won't do it with this current staff. Matt is solid in as job as the hustling recruiter but he can't do it on his own. I get Mitch Richmond has appeal when Matt is pitching recruits that they can play for 2 Hall of Fame players but he can do what he does as DOBO and not as an AC. He doesn't recruit and he's not an X's and O's guy so why is he an AC. St. Jean should be grinding his teeth at a lower level. A 26 year old can't be the only X's and O's guy on the staff.
Ideally to me, we should keep Matt, hire one experienced former head coach that only deals with X's and O's stuff and a guy that is half X's and O's and half recruiting. We'll see what Mullin ends up doing
Here’s a question that I don’t believe has been asked...
Why do we keep saying that Mullin needs an X & O assistant? Hasn’t Chris Mullin always had a reputation as a guy that has a high basketball IQ? Why can’t he draw up a play? Why can’t he communicate with his own team? What exactly other than being Chris Mullin makes him qualified to be a head coach?
IMO, we’ll never see the correct answer. Mullin should take responsibility and accept a demotion. The University should hire a coach who can coach during the f’n game.
Having high basketball IQ as a player or front office guy doesn't necessarily translate into being a coach, especially at the college level when Mullin has been around the NBA game for the last 30 years. It's not so much drawing up a play as it is knowing how to exploit the opponent's weaknesses while making adjustments to make sure your opponent can't exploit your weaknesses. And that's just part of it.
Nothing other than him being Chris Mullin qualifies him to be a head coach. But the same situation happened with Fred Hoiberg. He was a guy that had extremely limited coaching experience and some NBA front office experience before getting the head coaching job at Iowa State just because he was a great player there. He actually wound up turning that program from Big 12 doormat into Big 12 power pretty quickly. Ironically he took over for Greg McDermott who went 6-10, 4-12, 4-12, 4-12 in the Big 12 in his 4 years at Iowa State. Now McDermott is considered one of the better coaches in the country.
I'm not saying Chris Mullin is going to experience anywhere near the same success Hoiberg did at Iowa State and the smart money right now would be on Mullin ending up as a complete failure as coach. But just because he only got the job because he's Chris Mullin doesn't mean he's guaranteed to be a failure, as Hoiberg has shown. He just needs to surround himself with the right people like Hoiberg did
I completely agree. It doesn’t. But listening to people talk about replacing Richmond but not Mullin is laughable. What does one offer that the other doesn’t? I think it’s nothing more than nostalgia. I’ve seen enough of this staff to know I’m ready to move on after this season.
Hire a damn basketball coach. St.John’s always thinks they have a better idea.
I'm not ready to move on.
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Look, it's year 3 of a complete rebuild. Up until about 2 and a half weeks ago we were right on track to where we realistically wanted to be in year 3 of the Mullin era. The Lovett injury was bad luck and kind of derailed the season, and yes it is 100% on the staff that they didn't bring in a more complete roster to help absorb the loss of any player that got hurt, but losing your starting PG is going to hurt regardless.
I've been extremely critical of the in-game coaching and style of play that this team has exhibited over the past few weeks. I think it is a huge detriment and needs to be addressed in a big way before next season if Mullin is going to turn it around, and I think Mullin will make changes to his staff to bring in real X's and O's guys.
Let's look at Northwestern over the past season and a half. Last year they had their usual low expectations and they managed to greatly exceed them, make their 1st NCAA tournament in program history and push Gonzaga to the limit in the 2nd round. They lost one starter (their 4th or 5th best one) and returned literally everybody else of importance. For one reason or another they are a complete dumpster fire this year after being a preseason top 25 team. Chris Collins is probably a really good coach that is just not making it work this season after making all the right moves last year. My point here is that the team/staff may not be as good as perceived at their highest point and not as bad as perceived at their lowest point.
Am I saying Chris Mullin is Chris Collins? No. What I am saying is sometimes shit happens in this sport and you can't reasonably make a decision one way or another on a coaching staff based on a two and a half week period of play. I have no idea if Mullin will ever achieve great success here and my instincts say he won't unless he swallows his pride and brings in a couple of assistant coaches that will really help with both the basketball and recruiting end of things. I do think he does have a decent chance to turn things around if he does, but we'll see
I will say this. The combination of not having an experienced bench coach with his hands off approach is kind of baffling.
I agree, and I think that's priority #1 right now after this season is over. It's possible for Mullin to turn this around but he won't do it with this current staff. Matt is solid in as job as the hustling recruiter but he can't do it on his own. I get Mitch Richmond has appeal when Matt is pitching recruits that they can play for 2 Hall of Fame players but he can do what he does as DOBO and not as an AC. He doesn't recruit and he's not an X's and O's guy so why is he an AC. St. Jean should be grinding his teeth at a lower level. A 26 year old can't be the only X's and O's guy on the staff.
Ideally to me, we should keep Matt, hire one experienced former head coach that only deals with X's and O's stuff and a guy that is half X's and O's and half recruiting. We'll see what Mullin ends up doing
Here’s a question that I don’t believe has been asked...
Why do we keep saying that Mullin needs an X & O assistant? Hasn’t Chris Mullin always had a reputation as a guy that has a high basketball IQ? Why can’t he draw up a play? Why can’t he communicate with his own team? What exactly other than being Chris Mullin makes him qualified to be a head coach?
IMO, we’ll never see the correct answer. Mullin should take responsibility and accept a demotion. The University should hire a coach who can coach during the f’n game.
Having high basketball IQ as a player or front office guy doesn't necessarily translate into being a coach, especially at the college level when Mullin has been around the NBA game for the last 30 years. It's not so much drawing up a play as it is knowing how to exploit the opponent's weaknesses while making adjustments to make sure your opponent can't exploit your weaknesses. And that's just part of it.
Nothing other than him being Chris Mullin qualifies him to be a head coach. But the same situation happened with Fred Hoiberg. He was a guy that had extremely limited coaching experience and some NBA front office experience before getting the head coaching job at Iowa State just because he was a great player there. He actually wound up turning that program from Big 12 doormat into Big 12 power pretty quickly. Ironically he took over for Greg McDermott who went 6-10, 4-12, 4-12, 4-12 in the Big 12 in his 4 years at Iowa State. Now McDermott is considered one of the better coaches in the country.
I'm not saying Chris Mullin is going to experience anywhere near the same success Hoiberg did at Iowa State and the smart money right now would be on Mullin ending up as a complete failure as coach. But just because he only got the job because he's Chris Mullin doesn't mean he's guaranteed to be a failure, as Hoiberg has shown. He just needs to surround himself with the right people like Hoiberg did
I completely agree. It doesn’t. But listening to people talk about replacing Richmond but not Mullin is laughable. What does one offer that the other doesn’t? I think it’s nothing more than nostalgia. I’ve seen enough of this staff to know I’m ready to move on after this season.
Hire a damn basketball coach. St.John’s always thinks they have a better idea.
I'm not ready to move on.
That's what she said.
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A big part of coaching is teaching. In academia there are many instructors who have great knowledge of the subject matter but are ineffective teachers. To become a good teacher it takes 4 or 5 years. So far it's obvious that Mullin is lacking in this area. Hopefully he can grow as a teacher. However he hasn't shown me a passion for coaching and a desire to work on his craft. I say this because it's reflective in his laid back approach in his recruiting . He said when he took the job he be in every H S gym in the metro area. So far Chris has been a disappointment as the head coach. Hopefully he changes his attitude and recommits to the program.
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The demanding an assistant coach change makes me laugh.
Uh he's the HC if he needs the fan base to tell him he needs a new assistant then he should've never been hired to begin with. If he is comfortable with this staff and feels he can win then who am I to say no.
That's his problem. Who knows if he wants someone else. You hired CM to make these decisions, if you feel the need to question his staff already then again why did you entrust him with that responsibility to begin with?
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The demanding an assistant coach change makes me laugh.
Uh he's the HC if he needs the fan base to tell him he needs a new assistant then he should've never been hired to begin with. If he is comfortable with this staff and feels he can win then who am I to say no.
That's his problem. Who knows if he wants someone else. You hired CM to make these decisions, if you feel the need to question his staff already then again why did you entrust him with that responsibility to begin with?
Agreed sir.
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The demanding an assistant coach change makes me laugh.
Uh he's the HC if he needs the fan base to tell him he needs a new assistant then he should've never been hired to begin with. If he is comfortable with this staff and feels he can win then who am I to say no.
That's his problem. Who knows if he wants someone else. You hired CM to make these decisions, if you feel the need to question his staff already then again why did you entrust him with that responsibility to begin with?
You're right but Mullin is going to be the coach for as long as he wants to be the coach. So as a fan all we can hope for at this point is he does what has to do to turn this around. The first thing would be to shake up the staff. If he does that and gets the right people in place he can be successful
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Mullin should be allowed to coach with whatever staff he chooses. He knows the style he wants to play and the kind of kids he needs to make it work. So far, he has largely recruited high character, talented kids who want to be here and represent the University well. We're in year 3 of a total rebuild and the loss of LoVett hurts way more than people think. His on-ball pressure was a large part of our defensive success while he was here. He caused teams real problems in getting the ball up and getting into their offensive sets. As the shot clock winds down, shooting percentages plummet. LoVett is not getting credit for what he did. Played 38 minutes a game and scored 15 per game. Hard to replace those numbers with a thin bench, caused by our recruiting Zach Brown scaring Sima away, Mussini's decision to go home for pro money, Ellison's unwillingness to compete with Simon for playing time, and UConn's continued recruitment of Sid Wilson even after he was on our campus and enrolled in Summer classes.
Having two sit out transfers certainly didn't help when LoVett got hurt and Wilson left, but we should have better roster balance and a deeper bench next season. Two and a half years into a total rebuild, Chris Mullin shouldn't be subjected to the garbage on our fan sites. Luckily for us, I don't think he gives a shit what our angry, aging fan base thinks and will continue to do the job he was hired to do and build a program that will compete for an NCAA bid every year.
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The demanding an assistant coach change makes me laugh.
Uh he's the HC if he needs the fan base to tell him he needs a new assistant then he should've never been hired to begin with. If he is comfortable with this staff and feels he can win then who am I to say no.
That's his problem. Who knows if he wants someone else. You hired CM to make these decisions, if you feel the need to question his staff already then again why did you entrust him with that responsibility to begin with?
You're right but Mullin is going to be the coach for as long as he wants to be the coach. So as a fan all we can hope for at this point is he does what has to do to turn this around. The first thing would be to shake up the staff. If he does that and gets the right people in place he can be successful
THIS It's done all the time in sports witness this years GB Packers who didn't want to fire HC Mike McCarthy but had him change both his offensive and defensive coordinators and gave him a one year extension so he has 2 years left on his contract. In other words win now or you're next.
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Mullin should be allowed to coach with whatever staff he chooses. He knows the style he wants to play and the kind of kids he needs to make it work. So far, he has largely recruited high character, talented kids whWe're in year 3 of a total rebuild and the loss of LoVett hurts way more than people think. His on-ball pressure was a large part of our defensive success while he was here. He caused teams real problems in getting the ball up and getting into their offensive sets. As the shot clock winds down, shooting percentages plummet. LoVett is not getting credit for what he did. Played 38 minutes a game and scored 15 per game. Hard to replace those numbers with a thin bench, caused by our recruiting Zach Brown scaring Sima away, Mussini's decision to go home for pro money, Ellison's unwillingness to compete with Simon for playing time, and UConn's continued recruitment of Sid Wilson even after he was on our campus and enrolled in Summer classes.
Having two sit out transfers certainly didn't help when LoVett got hurt and Wilson left, but we should have better roster talent and a deeper bench next season. Two and a half years into a total rebuild, Chris Mullin shouldn't be subjected to the garbage on our fan sites. Luckily for us, I don't think he gives a shit what our angry, aging fan base thinks and will continue to do the job he was hired to do and build a program that will compete for an NCAA bid every year.
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(Sorry for the double post.)
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The demanding an assistant coach change makes me laugh.
Uh he's the HC if he needs the fan base to tell him he needs a new assistant then he should've never been hired to begin with. If he is comfortable with this staff and feels he can win then who am I to say no.
That's his problem. Who knows if he wants someone else. You hired CM to make these decisions, if you feel the need to question his staff already then again why did you entrust him with that responsibility to begin with?
You're right but Mullin is going to be the coach for as long as he wants to be the coach. So as a fan all we can hope for at this point is he does what has to do to turn this around. The first thing would be to shake up the staff. If he does that and gets the right people in place he can be successful
THIS It's done all the time in sports witness this years GB Packers who didn't want to fire HC Mike McCarthy but had him change both his offensive and defensive coordinators and gave him a one year extension so he has 2 years left on his contract. In other words win now or you're next.
Heck! It recently happened earlier today.
Mike Mularkey (now former head coach of the Tennessee Titans), whose team advanced to the divisional round of the NFL playoffs, parted ways today with the Titans because management wanted him to shake up his staff. He didn't feel the need to do so, and he's no longer the coach of the Titans as of today.
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The demanding an assistant coach change makes me laugh.
Uh he's the HC if he needs the fan base to tell him he needs a new assistant then he should've never been hired to begin with. If he is comfortable with this staff and feels he can win then who am I to say no.
That's his problem. Who knows if he wants someone else. You hired CM to make these decisions, if you feel the need to question his staff already then again why did you entrust him with that responsibility to begin with?
You're right but Mullin is going to be the coach for as long as he wants to be the coach. So as a fan all we can hope for at this point is he does what has to do to turn this around. The first thing would be to shake up the staff. If he does that and gets the right people in place he can be successful
THIS It's done all the time in sports witness this years GB Packers who didn't want to fire HC Mike McCarthy but had him change both his offensive and defensive coordinators and gave him a one year extension so he has 2 years left on his contract. In other words win now or you're next.
Heck! It recently happened earlier today.
Mike Mularkey (now former head coach of the Tennessee Titans), whose team advanced to the divisional round of the NFL playoffs, parted ways today with the Titans because management wanted him to shake up his staff. He didn't feel the need to do so, and he's no longer the coach of the Titans as of today.
I would hope the powers that be at SJU would insist Mullin do the same but I have a feeling that's not the case. If CM doesn't think he needs to revamp his staff then he's sorely mistaken and this same exact discussion will be going on next January.
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The demanding an assistant coach change makes me laugh.
Uh he's the HC if he needs the fan base to tell him he needs a new assistant then he should've never been hired to begin with. If he is comfortable with this staff and feels he can win then who am I to say no.
That's his problem. Who knows if he wants someone else. You hired CM to make these decisions, if you feel the need to question his staff already then again why did you entrust him with that responsibility to begin with?
You're right but Mullin is going to be the coach for as long as he wants to be the coach. So as a fan all we can hope for at this point is he does what has to do to turn this around. The first thing would be to shake up the staff. If he does that and gets the right people in place he can be successful
THIS It's done all the time in sports witness this years GB Packers who didn't want to fire HC Mike McCarthy but had him change both his offensive and defensive coordinators and gave him a one year extension so he has 2 years left on his contract. In other words win now or you're next.
Heck! It recently happened earlier today.
Mike Mularkey (now former head coach of the Tennessee Titans), whose team advanced to the divisional round of the NFL playoffs, parted ways today with the Titans because management wanted him to shake up his staff. He didn't feel the need to do so, and he's no longer the coach of the Titans as of today.
I would hope the powers that be at SJU would insist Mullin do the same but I have a feeling that's not the case. If CM doesn't think he needs to revamp his staff then he's sorely mistaken and this same exact discussion will be going on next January.
+1
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The demanding an assistant coach change makes me laugh.
Uh he's the HC if he needs the fan base to tell him he needs a new assistant then he should've never been hired to begin with. If he is comfortable with this staff and feels he can win then who am I to say no.
That's his problem. Who knows if he wants someone else. You hired CM to make these decisions, if you feel the need to question his staff already then again why did you entrust him with that responsibility to begin with?
You're right but Mullin is going to be the coach for as long as he wants to be the coach. So as a fan all we can hope for at this point is he does what has to do to turn this around. The first thing would be to shake up the staff. If he does that and gets the right people in place he can be successful
THIS It's done all the time in sports witness this years GB Packers who didn't want to fire HC Mike McCarthy but had him change both his offensive and defensive coordinators and gave him a one year extension so he has 2 years left on his contract. In other words win now or you're next.
Heck! It recently happened earlier today.
Mike Mularkey (now former head coach of the Tennessee Titans), whose team advanced to the divisional round of the NFL playoffs, parted ways today with the Titans because management wanted him to shake up his staff. He didn't feel the need to do so, and he's no longer the coach of the Titans as of today.
I would hope the powers that be at SJU would insist Mullin do the same but I have a feeling that's not the case. If CM doesn't think he needs to revamp his staff then he's sorely mistaken and this same exact discussion will be going on next January.
Right, which would be fair. I don't even want Goff to "force" or even suggest Mullin make changes to the staff. I want Mullin to realize it and do it on his own which I think will happen
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Mullin should be allowed to coach with whatever staff he chooses. He knows the style he wants to play and the kind of kids he needs to make it work. So far, he has largely recruited high character, talented kids whWe're in year 3 of a total rebuild and the loss of LoVett hurts way more than people think. His on-ball pressure was a large part of our defensive success while he was here. He caused teams real problems in getting the ball up and getting into their offensive sets. As the shot clock winds down, shooting percentages plummet. LoVett is not getting credit for what he did. Played 38 minutes a game and scored 15 per game. Hard to replace those numbers with a thin bench, caused by our recruiting Zach Brown scaring Sima away, Mussini's decision to go home for pro money, Ellison's unwillingness to compete with Simon for playing time, and UConn's continued recruitment of Sid Wilson even after he was on our campus and enrolled in Summer classes.
Having two sit out transfers certainly didn't help when LoVett got hurt and Wilson left, but we should have better roster talent and a deeper bench next season. Two and a half years into a total rebuild, Chris Mullin shouldn't be subjected to the garbage on our fan sites. Luckily for us, I don't think he gives a shit what our angry, aging fan base thinks and will continue to do the job he was hired to do and build a program that will compete for an NCAA bid every year.
You state that 2 1/2 years in Mullin shouldn't be subject to the garbage on our fan sites (severely doubt he reads them or cares what is said plus he makes 2 mill per so tough nuggies) but by the same token us fans shouldn't be subject to the garbage of an 0-6 BE record heading for much worse.
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That's pro's not college and you can't compare the two let alone it is football vs basketball.
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The demanding an assistant coach change makes me laugh.
Uh he's the HC if he needs the fan base to tell him he needs a new assistant then he should've never been hired to begin with. If he is comfortable with this staff and feels he can win then who am I to say no.
That's his problem. Who knows if he wants someone else. You hired CM to make these decisions, if you feel the need to question his staff already then again why did you entrust him with that responsibility to begin with?
You're right but Mullin is going to be the coach for as long as he wants to be the coach. So as a fan all we can hope for at this point is he does what has to do to turn this around. The first thing would be to shake up the staff. If he does that and gets the right people in place he can be successful
THIS It's done all the time in sports witness this years GB Packers who didn't want to fire HC Mike McCarthy but had him change both his offensive and defensive coordinators and gave him a one year extension so he has 2 years left on his contract. In other words win now or you're next.
Heck! It recently happened earlier today.
Mike Mularkey (now former head coach of the Tennessee Titans), whose team advanced to the divisional round of the NFL playoffs, parted ways today with the Titans because management wanted him to shake up his staff. He didn't feel the need to do so, and he's no longer the coach of the Titans as of today.
I would hope the powers that be at SJU would insist Mullin do the same but I have a feeling that's not the case. If CM doesn't think he needs to revamp his staff then he's sorely mistaken and this same exact discussion will be going on next January.
Not sure CM answers to anyone but perhaps the President. Don't think Goff is in the position of mandating changes at this point.
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That's pro's not college and you can't compare the two let alone it is football vs basketball.
You may be right in regards to pro versus college, but you can compare football vs. basketball, per the changing of coaches on staff.
IMO, Mullin needs two new assistant coaches. I know Paultz said there will likely be a change in the offseason, but I'm wondering if he'll make the change for two.
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The demanding an assistant coach change makes me laugh.
Uh he's the HC if he needs the fan base to tell him he needs a new assistant then he should've never been hired to begin with. If he is comfortable with this staff and feels he can win then who am I to say no.
That's his problem. Who knows if he wants someone else. You hired CM to make these decisions, if you feel the need to question his staff already then again why did you entrust him with that responsibility to begin with?
You're right but Mullin is going to be the coach for as long as he wants to be the coach. So as a fan all we can hope for at this point is he does what has to do to turn this around. The first thing would be to shake up the staff. If he does that and gets the right people in place he can be successful
THIS It's done all the time in sports witness this years GB Packers who didn't want to fire HC Mike McCarthy but had him change both his offensive and defensive coordinators and gave him a one year extension so he has 2 years left on his contract. In other words win now or you're next.
Heck! It recently happened earlier today.
Mike Mularkey (now former head coach of the Tennessee Titans), whose team advanced to the divisional round of the NFL playoffs, parted ways today with the Titans because management wanted him to shake up his staff. He didn't feel the need to do so, and he's no longer the coach of the Titans as of today.
I would hope the powers that be at SJU would insist Mullin do the same but I have a feeling that's not the case. If CM doesn't think he needs to revamp his staff then he's sorely mistaken and this same exact discussion will be going on next January.
Not sure CM answers to anyone but perhaps the President. Don't think Goff is in the position of mandating changes at this point.
3 years and a Legend and you are going to start dictating staff changes to him and at the same time want him to own the program and be your HC?? No, ain't going to happen. You guys are speaking more as fans demanding something not from a realistic vantage point.
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Mullin is in his 3rd year and 0 wins in conference. This is not football, sju should not be this far behind the 8 ball. Mullin sabotaged his third year because according to roster make up, his big jump is going to be 4th year. So as a fan, I’m going to expect a Mullin coached team who will at best, get 3 wins in big east in year three and then next year get 10 or more cause he has more bodies?
Let’s take a look at his new bodies next year.
Transfer from sc who barely played and will have not played meaningful minutes since he got to college.
A transfer guard from Quinnipiac, who may turn out to be good, but he has to make up at least half of what Lovett did to be somewhat productive.
4 frosh- one is as raw as u can get in josh Roberts, a good combo guard who struggles to shoot, jarron brooks(highly rated) however not signed yet and the kid from Long Island whose rehabbing
That’s 6 new kids who all have to make an immediate impact, cause this current team is so flawed that anything less will not get us anywhere near the tourney. What’s more amazing is in year 3, we still can’t shoot, rebound or play defense against good teams...
Mullin will get his due time, but hard to see any improvements by him or as team for as long as he does not surround himself with knowledgeable college coaches.
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Forgot to mention Packers lost A Rodgers who plays by far the most impt position in the game for most of the season (were 4-1 when he got hurt) and he is arguably the best QB in football. Was not allowed to use this as an excuse. Year 3 of Mullin regime and except for inheriting a piss poor roster all the other excuses are basically BS and anyway are of his own doing. Did anyone expect or sign up for 0-6 and headed for worse in year 3? I think not. For those that don't want to force staff changes then he better win next year because even though some of you will come up with a whole litany of new excuses there really will be none.
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Mullin is in his 3rd year and 0 wins in conference. This is not football, sju should not be this far behind the 8 ball. Mullin sabotaged his third year because according to roster make up, his big jump is going to be 4th year. So as a fan, I’m going to expect a Mullin coached team who will at best, get 3 wins in big east in year three and then next year get 10 or more cause he has more bodies?
Let’s take a look at his new bodies next year.
Transfer from sc who barely played and will have not played meaningful minutes since he got to college.
A transfer guard from Quinnipiac, who may turn out to be good, but he has to make up at least half of what Lovett did to be somewhat productive.
4 frosh- one is as raw as u can get in josh Roberts, a good combo guard who struggles to shoot, jarron brooks(highly rated) however not signed yet and the kid from Long Island whose rehabbing
That’s 6 new kids who all have to make an immediate impact, cause this current team is so flawed that anything less will not get us anywhere near the tourney. What’s more amazing is in year 3, we still can’t shoot, rebound or play defense against good teams...
Mullin will get his due time, but hard to see any improvements by him or as team for as long as he does not surround himself with knowledgeable college coaches.
+1,000 and even if it was football you can be highly successful by year 3 in fact that is the year they judge you on in other words a quantum leap by year 3 for a downtrodden program.
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Mullin is in his 3rd year and 0 wins in conference. This is not football, sju should not be this far behind the 8 ball. Mullin sabotaged his third year because according to roster make up, his big jump is going to be 4th year. So as a fan, I’m going to expect a Mullin coached team who will at best, get 3 wins in big east in year three and then next year get 10 or more cause he has more bodies?
Let’s take a look at his new bodies next year.
Transfer from sc who barely played and will have not played meaningful minutes since he got to college.
A transfer guard from Quinnipiac, who may turn out to be good, but he has to make up at least half of what Lovett did to be somewhat productive.
4 frosh- one is as raw as u can get in josh Roberts, a good combo guard who struggles to shoot, jarron brooks(highly rated) however not signed yet and the kid from Long Island whose rehabbing
That’s 6 new kids who all have to make an immediate impact, cause this current team is so flawed that anything less will not get us anywhere near the tourney. What’s more amazing is in year 3, we still can’t shoot, rebound or play defense against good teams...
Mullin will get his due time, but hard to see any improvements by him or as team for as long as he does not surround himself with knowledgeable college coaches.
Can't argue with that analysis. But again you can see how this is going to be spun. They will try to squeeze as much out of this season as possible and then sell, sell, sell next year as the year to turn things around....I am not sold on this roster next year either. No dominant recruits, not a lot of shooting or scoring...
But it is what it is, that is how it is going to be sold. Lot of pressure on next season, lot of pressure.
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Mullin is in his 3rd year and 0 wins in conference. This is not football, sju should not be this far behind the 8 ball. Mullin sabotaged his third year because according to roster make up, his big jump is going to be 4th year. So as a fan, I’m going to expect a Mullin coached team who will at best, get 3 wins in big east in year three and then next year get 10 or more cause he has more bodies?
Let’s take a look at his new bodies next year.
Transfer from sc who barely played and will have not played meaningful minutes since he got to college.
A transfer guard from Quinnipiac, who may turn out to be good, but he has to make up at least half of what Lovett did to be somewhat productive.
4 frosh- one is as raw as u can get in josh Roberts, a good combo guard who struggles to shoot, jarron brooks(highly rated) however not signed yet and the kid from Long Island whose rehabbing
That’s 6 new kids who all have to make an immediate impact, cause this current team is so flawed that anything less will not get us anywhere near the tourney. What’s more amazing is in year 3, we still can’t shoot, rebound or play defense against good teams...
Mullin will get his due time, but hard to see any improvements by him or as team for as long as he does not surround himself with knowledgeable college coaches.
+1,000 and even if it was football you can be highly successful by year 3 in fact that is the year they judge you on in other words a quantum leap by year 3 for a downtrodden program.
Yup. Scott Frost took over a UCF team that was 0-12 and turned them into a 12-0 team in 2 seasons. Oh and by the way, he is a first time HC too.
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I want to see this team win, bottom line like every other die hard fan. . I have argued with a lot of folks who are heavily involved with d1 programs, that sju has the players to win, which many agree, but they have all said our players are pieces to a puzzle without the right person to put the puzzle together.
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Mullin is in his 3rd year and 0 wins in conference. This is not football, sju should not be this far behind the 8 ball. Mullin sabotaged his third year because according to roster make up, his big jump is going to be 4th year. So as a fan, I’m going to expect a Mullin coached team who will at best, get 3 wins in big east in year three and then next year get 10 or more cause he has more bodies?
Let’s take a look at his new bodies next year.
Transfer from sc who barely played and will have not played meaningful minutes since he got to college.
A transfer guard from Quinnipiac, who may turn out to be good, but he has to make up at least half of what Lovett did to be somewhat productive.
4 frosh- one is as raw as u can get in josh Roberts, a good combo guard who struggles to shoot, jarron brooks(highly rated) however not signed yet and the kid from Long Island whose rehabbing
That’s 6 new kids who all have to make an immediate impact, cause this current team is so flawed that anything less will not get us anywhere near the tourney. What’s more amazing is in year 3, we still can’t shoot, rebound or play defense against good teams...
Mullin will get his due time, but hard to see any improvements by him or as team for as long as he does not surround himself with knowledgeable college coaches.
+1,000 and even if it was football you can be highly successful by year 3 in fact that is the year they judge you on in other words a quantum leap by year 3 for a downtrodden program.
Yup. Scott Frost took over a UCF team that was 0-12 and turned them into a 12-0 team in 2 seasons. Oh and by the way, he is a first time HC too.
13-0!
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Mullin is in his 3rd year and 0 wins in conference. This is not football, sju should not be this far behind the 8 ball. Mullin sabotaged his third year because according to roster make up, his big jump is going to be 4th year. So as a fan, I’m going to expect a Mullin coached team who will at best, get 3 wins in big east in year three and then next year get 10 or more cause he has more bodies?
Let’s take a look at his new bodies next year.
Transfer from sc who barely played and will have not played meaningful minutes since he got to college.
A transfer guard from Quinnipiac, who may turn out to be good, but he has to make up at least half of what Lovett did to be somewhat productive.
4 frosh- one is as raw as u can get in josh Roberts, a good combo guard who struggles to shoot, jarron brooks(highly rated) however not signed yet and the kid from Long Island whose rehabbing
That’s 6 new kids who all have to make an immediate impact, cause this current team is so flawed that anything less will not get us anywhere near the tourney. What’s more amazing is in year 3, we still can’t shoot, rebound or play defense against good teams...
Mullin will get his due time, but hard to see any improvements by him or as team for as long as he does not surround himself with knowledgeable college coaches.
Agree on all counts. You make some very good points about the incoming players next year. Not sure how much of an impact those guys will really have either. No real superstars in the class.
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Mullin is in his 3rd year and 0 wins in conference. This is not football, sju should not be this far behind the 8 ball. Mullin sabotaged his third year because according to roster make up, his big jump is going to be 4th year. So as a fan, I’m going to expect a Mullin coached team who will at best, get 3 wins in big east in year three and then next year get 10 or more cause he has more bodies?
Let’s take a look at his new bodies next year.
Transfer from sc who barely played and will have not played meaningful minutes since he got to college.
A transfer guard from Quinnipiac, who may turn out to be good, but he has to make up at least half of what Lovett did to be somewhat productive.
4 frosh- one is as raw as u can get in josh Roberts, a good combo guard who struggles to shoot, jarron brooks(highly rated) however not signed yet and the kid from Long Island whose rehabbing
That’s 6 new kids who all have to make an immediate impact, cause this current team is so flawed that anything less will not get us anywhere near the tourney. What’s more amazing is in year 3, we still can’t shoot, rebound or play defense against good teams...
Mullin will get his due time, but hard to see any improvements by him or as team for as long as he does not surround himself with knowledgeable college coaches.
+1,000 and even if it was football you can be highly successful by year 3 in fact that is the year they judge you on in other words a quantum leap by year 3 for a downtrodden program.
Yup. Scott Frost took over a UCF team that was 0-12 and turned them into a 12-0 team in 2 seasons. Oh and by the way, he is a first time HC too.
13-0!
Ha! That's right. Thanks.
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Mullin is in his 3rd year and 0 wins in conference. This is not football, sju should not be this far behind the 8 ball. Mullin sabotaged his third year because according to roster make up, his big jump is going to be 4th year. So as a fan, I’m going to expect a Mullin coached team who will at best, get 3 wins in big east in year three and then next year get 10 or more cause he has more bodies?
Let’s take a look at his new bodies next year.
Transfer from sc who barely played and will have not played meaningful minutes since he got to college.
A transfer guard from Quinnipiac, who may turn out to be good, but he has to make up at least half of what Lovett did to be somewhat productive.
4 frosh- one is as raw as u can get in josh Roberts, a good combo guard who struggles to shoot, jarron brooks(highly rated) however not signed yet and the kid from Long Island whose rehabbing
That’s 6 new kids who all have to make an immediate impact, cause this current team is so flawed that anything less will not get us anywhere near the tourney. What’s more amazing is in year 3, we still can’t shoot, rebound or play defense against good teams...
Mullin will get his due time, but hard to see any improvements by him or as team for as long as he does not surround himself with knowledgeable college coaches.
Good breakdown. I'm for giving him another year. The only thing hat would make scrap that would be if Billy Donovan became available. It's not crazy that he could be let go, however you are talking May and then I'm assuming he would even have interest...which he probably wouldn't.
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I'm not against a coaching staff change mind you, what I am against is the incessant discussion on chat rooms demanding the change when you don't even know if Mullin wants one and he is the only opinion that matters.
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I'm not against a coaching staff change mind you, what I am against is the incessant discussion on chat rooms demanding the change when you don't even know if Mulling wants one and he is the only opinion that matters.
What makes you think the change will be Mullin’s decision? In the last 3 years he’s proven to be incompetent in every aspect of the job. He needs to be fired. It’s unfortunate that one of our all time greats will need to be shown the door, but that needs to happen before the University considers accepting their CBI bid.
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I'm not against a coaching staff change mind you, what I am against is the incessant discussion on chat rooms demanding the change when you don't even know if Mulling wants one and he is the only opinion that matters.
Yeah but thats the point. To me, Mullin can be successful but not with this staff. If Mullin doesn't see that he needs some serious help on the sidelines after this season that would be a huge part of the problem. CM realizing that he needs to make a change whether he wants to or not is part of his job
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I'm not against a coaching staff change mind you, what I am against is the incessant discussion on chat rooms demanding the change when you don't even know if Mulling wants one and he is the only opinion that matters.
What makes you think the change will be Mullin’s decision? In the last 3 years he’s proven to be incompetent in every aspect of the job. He needs to be fired. It’s unfortunate that one of our all time greats will need to be shown the door, but that needs to happen before the University considers accepting their CBI bid.
He's not getting fired. Not after this season, not after next season, not after the season after that. You can scream it all you want it won't happen
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Mullin is in his 3rd year and 0 wins in conference. This is not football, sju should not be this far behind the 8 ball. Mullin sabotaged his third year because according to roster make up, his big jump is going to be 4th year. So as a fan, I’m going to expect a Mullin coached team who will at best, get 3 wins in big east in year three and then next year get 10 or more cause he has more bodies?
Let’s take a look at his new bodies next year.
Transfer from sc who barely played and will have not played meaningful minutes since he got to college.
A transfer guard from Quinnipiac, who may turn out to be good, but he has to make up at least half of what Lovett did to be somewhat productive.
4 frosh- one is as raw as u can get in josh Roberts, a good combo guard who struggles to shoot, jarron brooks(highly rated) however not signed yet and the kid from Long Island whose rehabbing
That’s 6 new kids who all have to make an immediate impact, cause this current team is so flawed that anything less will not get us anywhere near the tourney. What’s more amazing is in year 3, we still can’t shoot, rebound or play defense against good teams...
Mullin will get his due time, but hard to see any improvements by him or as team for as long as he does not surround himself with knowledgeable college coaches.
Good breakdown. I'm for giving him another year. The only thing hat would make scrap that would be if Billy Donovan became available. It's not crazy that he could be let go, however you are talking May and then I'm assuming he would even have interest...which he probably wouldn't.
Why do you think Donovan turned St.John’s down in 2010? Coaches with real options don’t want to work for nice persons. Who can blame Donovan?
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Mullin is in his 3rd year and 0 wins in conference. This is not football, sju should not be this far behind the 8 ball. Mullin sabotaged his third year because according to roster make up, his big jump is going to be 4th year. So as a fan, I’m going to expect a Mullin coached team who will at best, get 3 wins in big east in year three and then next year get 10 or more cause he has more bodies?
Let’s take a look at his new bodies next year.
Transfer from sc who barely played and will have not played meaningful minutes since he got to college.
A transfer guard from Quinnipiac, who may turn out to be good, but he has to make up at least half of what Lovett did to be somewhat productive.
4 frosh- one is as raw as u can get in josh Roberts, a good combo guard who struggles to shoot, jarron brooks(highly rated) however not signed yet and the kid from Long Island whose rehabbing
That’s 6 new kids who all have to make an immediate impact, cause this current team is so flawed that anything less will not get us anywhere near the tourney. What’s more amazing is in year 3, we still can’t shoot, rebound or play defense against good teams...
Mullin will get his due time, but hard to see any improvements by him or as team for as long as he does not surround himself with knowledgeable college coaches.
Good breakdown. I'm for giving him another year. The only thing hat would make scrap that would be if Billy Donovan became available. It's not crazy that he could be let go, however you are talking May and then I'm assuming he would even have interest...which he probably wouldn't.
Why do you think Donovan turned St.John’s down in 2010? Coaches with real options don’t want to work for nice persons. Who can blame Donovan?
Yeah I'm sure that was the reason and not because Florida was throwing tons of money at him and he had a top 20 team returning the following year
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I'm not against a coaching staff change mind you, what I am against is the incessant discussion on chat rooms demanding the change when you don't even know if Mulling wants one and he is the only opinion that matters.
No his isn't that's the point. So far he has been too stubborn to make a change. I agree with your original premise that a coach should be able to hire his own staff when he first gets hired and we gave Mullin that right and things appear not to have worked out favorably so if he doesn't feel he wants to make a change you either force one on him or let him have his way knowing he is putting his job on the line to save his assistants. BTW seem to remember Fran F not being able to choose all his assistants or at least some controversy regarding that matter.
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I'm not against a coaching staff change mind you, what I am against is the incessant discussion on chat rooms demanding the change when you don't even know if Mulling wants one and he is the only opinion that matters.
What makes you think the change will be Mullin’s decision? In the last 3 years he’s proven to be incompetent in every aspect of the job. He needs to be fired. It’s unfortunate that one of our all time greats will need to be shown the door, but that needs to happen before the University considers accepting their CBI bid.
He's not getting fired. Not after this season, not after next season, not after the season after that. You can scream it all you want it won't happen
We’ll see.
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I'm not against a coaching staff change mind you, what I am against is the incessant discussion on chat rooms demanding the change when you don't even know if Mulling wants one and he is the only opinion that matters.
No his isn't that's the point. So far he has been too stubborn to make a change. I agree with your original premise that a coach should be able to hire his own staff when he first gets hired and we gave Mullin that right and things appear not to have worked out favorably so if he doesn't feel he wants to make a change you either force one on him or let him have his way knowing he is putting his job on the line to save his assistants. BTW seem to remember Fran F not being able to choose all his assistants or at least some controversy regarding that matter.
I agree.... A coach should always be able to hire his own assistant coaches upon taking a job. But, if things aren't quite going accordingly, then the higher up(s) should be allowed to step in and ask for changes.
Is that gonna happen with our staff? I don't know. But, it should, IMO.
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I'm not against a coaching staff change mind you, what I am against is the incessant discussion on chat rooms demanding the change when you don't even know if Mulling wants one and he is the only opinion that matters.
What makes you think the change will be Mullin’s decision? In the last 3 years he’s proven to be incompetent in every aspect of the job. He needs to be fired. It’s unfortunate that one of our all time greats will need to be shown the door, but that needs to happen before the University considers accepting their CBI bid.
He's not getting fired. Not after this season, not after next season, not after the season after that. You can scream it all you want it won't happen
That's what they have always said about every St J's coach since Louie and guess what they all got let go. You think they want to continue to pay 2 mill per to be non competitive? At minimum urged to step down behind the scenes if things continue to be non competitive in BE. If not have fun in the ghost down at Carnesecca Arena.
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I'm not against a coaching staff change mind you, what I am against is the incessant discussion on chat rooms demanding the change when you don't even know if Mulling wants one and he is the only opinion that matters.
What makes you think the change will be Mullin’s decision? In the last 3 years he’s proven to be incompetent in every aspect of the job. He needs to be fired. It’s unfortunate that one of our all time greats will need to be shown the door, but that needs to happen before the University considers accepting their CBI bid.
He's not getting fired. Not after this season, not after next season, not after the season after that. You can scream it all you want it won't happen
That's what they have always said about every St J's coach since Louie and guess what they all got let go. You think they want to continue to pay 2 mill per to be non competitive? At minimum urged to step down behind the scenes if things continue to be non competitive in BE. If not have fun in the ghost down at Carnesecca Arena.
None of the previous coaches have been named Chris Mullin. He will coach as long as he wants to. One would think if it's not getting better after 5-6 years he'd swallow the bullet and step down on his own. I'm not saying if that's right or wrong, just saying how it is
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I'm not against a coaching staff change mind you, what I am against is the incessant discussion on chat rooms demanding the change when you don't even know if Mulling wants one and he is the only opinion that matters.
What makes you think the change will be Mullin’s decision? In the last 3 years he’s proven to be incompetent in every aspect of the job. He needs to be fired. It’s unfortunate that one of our all time greats will need to be shown the door, but that needs to happen before the University considers accepting their CBI bid.
He's not getting fired. Not after this season, not after next season, not after the season after that. You can scream it all you want it won't happen
That's what they have always said about every St J's coach since Louie and guess what they all got let go. You think they want to continue to pay 2 mill per to be non competitive? At minimum urged to step down behind the scenes if things continue to be non competitive in BE. If not have fun in the ghost down at Carnesecca Arena.
None of the previous coaches have been named Chris Mullin. He will coach as long as he wants to. One would think if it's not getting better after 5-6 years he'd swallow the bullet and step down on his own. I'm not saying if that's right or wrong, just saying how it is
G'town fired JT3 with the Godfather hovering all over the program and he went to a final 4 and a string of NCAAs. Granted they then hired Patrick Ewing so maybe we better hope Terrance is a good coach. :)
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Dictating staff changes especially to someone like Mullin never works.
He's either the HC or he is not. And this is all easy for you to say since none of you are the HC or actually have to work with said assistant.
So I can't take this seriously. You don't even know if that is the problem. You are a fan.
You are here throwing out solutions to problems you are not qualified to solve nor are in any position to solve.
You don't go to practices, sit in on the huddles etc.
And yet you are here suggesting something you are not even sure the boss wants.
Sorry. Anton Goff and SJU will not be telling Mullin to make a change. It will be his call as it should be, maybe he does or maybe he doesn't. But it is his call.
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Dictating staff changes especially to someone like Mullin never works.
He's either the HC or he is not. And this is all easy for you to say since none of you are the HC or actually have to work with said assistant.
So I can't take this seriously. You don't even know if that is the problem. You are a fan.
You are here throwing out solutions to problems you are not qualified to solve nor are in any position to solve.
You don't go to practices, sit in on the huddles etc.
And yet you are here suggesting something you are not even sure the boss wants.
Sorry. Anton Goff and SJU will not be telling Mullin to make a change. It will be his call as it should be, maybe he does or maybe he doesn't. But it is his call.
Therein lies the problem. There is no one in charge that has a clue that is big enough to tell an up to this date unsuccessful coach anything. Power 5 conferences the AD is more powerful than the coach unless you're talking about a Nick Saban or a coach K type.
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Dictating staff changes especially to someone like Mullin never works.
He's either the HC or he is not. And this is all easy for you to say since none of you are the HC or actually have to work with said assistant.
So I can't take this seriously. You don't even know if that is the problem. You are a fan.
You are here throwing out solutions to problems you are not qualified to solve nor are in any position to solve.
You don't go to practices, sit in on the huddles etc.
And yet you are here suggesting something you are not even sure the boss wants.
Sorry. Anton Goff and SJU will not be telling Mullin to make a change. It will be his call as it should be, maybe he does or maybe he doesn't. But it is his call.
Therein lies the problem. There is no one in charge that has a clue that is big enough to tell an up to this date unsuccessful coach anything. Power 5 conferences the AD is more powerful than the coach unless you're talking about a Nick Saban or a coach K type.
You are right..and Mullin is our Saban, in terms of respect.
That's it, plain and simple.
No one is dictating anything to Mullin. Recruiting is the lifeblood of a program. Recruiting is getting better.
The kids play period of really good basketball.
No AD in his right might would dare force a one-sided change on Mullin.
End of story.
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Dictating staff changes especially to someone like Mullin never works.
He's either the HC or he is not. And this is all easy for you to say since none of you are the HC or actually have to work with said assistant.
So I can't take this seriously. You don't even know if that is the problem. You are a fan.
You are here throwing out solutions to problems you are not qualified to solve nor are in any position to solve.
You don't go to practices, sit in on the huddles etc.
And yet you are here suggesting something you are not even sure the boss wants.
Sorry. Anton Goff and SJU will not be telling Mullin to make a change. It will be his call as it should be, maybe he does or maybe he doesn't. But it is his call.
Let me get this straight, the fans don’t know anything, but St.John’s University does? Um, no.
How many good decisions have they made since 1992? Just the fact that they thought of something, anything basketball related is cause to question their judgement because bad judgement is about the only area where they are consistent.
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Dictating staff changes especially to someone like Mullin never works.
He's either the HC or he is not. And this is all easy for you to say since none of you are the HC or actually have to work with said assistant.
So I can't take this seriously. You don't even know if that is the problem. You are a fan.
You are here throwing out solutions to problems you are not qualified to solve nor are in any position to solve.
You don't go to practices, sit in on the huddles etc.
And yet you are here suggesting something you are not even sure the boss wants.
Sorry. Anton Goff and SJU will not be telling Mullin to make a change. It will be his call as it should be, maybe he does or maybe he doesn't. But it is his call.
Therein lies the problem. There is no one in charge that has a clue that is big enough to tell an up to this date unsuccessful coach anything. Power 5 conferences the AD is more powerful than the coach unless you're talking about a Nick Saban or a coach K type.
You are right..and Mullin is our Saban, in terms of respect.
That's it, plain and simple.
No one is dictating anything to Mullin. Recruiting is the lifeblood of a program. Recruiting is getting better.
The kids play period of really good basketball.
No AD in his right might would dare force a one-sided change on Mullin.
End of story.
Mullin is our Yogi Berra without the fun sayings.
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Dictating staff changes especially to someone like Mullin never works.
He's either the HC or he is not. And this is all easy for you to say since none of you are the HC or actually have to work with said assistant.
So I can't take this seriously. You don't even know if that is the problem. You are a fan.
You are here throwing out solutions to problems you are not qualified to solve nor are in any position to solve.
You don't go to practices, sit in on the huddles etc.
And yet you are here suggesting something you are not even sure the boss wants.
Sorry. Anton Goff and SJU will not be telling Mullin to make a change. It will be his call as it should be, maybe he does or maybe he doesn't. But it is his call.
Therein lies the problem. There is no one in charge that has a clue that is big enough to tell an up to this date unsuccessful coach anything. Power 5 conferences the AD is more powerful than the coach unless you're talking about a Nick Saban or a coach K type.
You are right..and Mullin is our Saban, in terms of respect.
That's it, plain and simple.
No one is dictating anything to Mullin. Recruiting is the lifeblood of a program. Recruiting is getting better.
The kids play period of really good basketball.
No AD in his right might would dare force a one-sided change on Mullin.
End of story.
Mullin couldn't shine Saban's shoes as a HC. Most AD"s would force Mullin to make a change. Only a small time athletic dept like SJU would cowtow to Mullin. Stop fooling yourself.
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Dictating staff changes especially to someone like Mullin never works.
He's either the HC or he is not. And this is all easy for you to say since none of you are the HC or actually have to work with said assistant.
So I can't take this seriously. You don't even know if that is the problem. You are a fan.
You are here throwing out solutions to problems you are not qualified to solve nor are in any position to solve.
You don't go to practices, sit in on the huddles etc.
And yet you are here suggesting something you are not even sure the boss wants.
Sorry. Anton Goff and SJU will not be telling Mullin to make a change. It will be his call as it should be, maybe he does or maybe he doesn't. But it is his call.
Therein lies the problem. There is no one in charge that has a clue that is big enough to tell an up to this date unsuccessful coach anything. Power 5 conferences the AD is more powerful than the coach unless you're talking about a Nick Saban or a coach K type.
You are right..and Mullin is our Saban, in terms of respect.
That's it, plain and simple.
No one is dictating anything to Mullin. Recruiting is the lifeblood of a program. Recruiting is getting better.
The kids play period of really good basketball.
No AD in his right might would dare force a one-sided change on Mullin.
End of story.
Mullin is our Yogi Berra without the fun sayings.
Babe Ruth would be more accurate.
Whatever I am sure the next guy will be much better.....
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We went from Year 1 to not counting because Mullin had to scramble for players, to all 2 1/2 years being an indictment against him.
I keep hearing how SJU administratons is clueless without acknowledging that the administration has changed. So far this season is the first time that the basketball team is in crisis and it will be interesting to see how the rest of this season plays out and what if any changes need to happen.
I do not understand the fire and venom coming from the boards here...
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We went from Year 1 to not counting because Mullin had to scramble for players, to all 2 1/2 years being an indictment against him.
I keep hearing how SJU administratons is clueless without acknowledging that the administration has changed. So far this season is the first time that the basketball team is in crisis and it will be interesting to see how the rest of this season plays out and what if any changes need to happen.
I do not understand the fire and venom coming from the boards here...
Is that your kid in your avatar? What happens when his diapers are full and you take away his bottle? Same thing here.
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Mullin is in his 3rd year and 0 wins in conference. This is not football, sju should not be this far behind the 8 ball. Mullin sabotaged his third year because according to roster make up, his big jump is going to be 4th year. So as a fan, I’m going to expect a Mullin coached team who will at best, get 3 wins in big east in year three and then next year get 10 or more cause he has more bodies?
Let’s take a look at his new bodies next year.
Transfer from sc who barely played and will have not played meaningful minutes since he got to college.
A transfer guard from Quinnipiac, who may turn out to be good, but he has to make up at least half of what Lovett did to be somewhat productive.
4 frosh- one is as raw as u can get in josh Roberts, a good combo guard who struggles to shoot, jarron brooks(highly rated) however not signed yet and the kid from Long Island whose rehabbing
That’s 6 new kids who all have to make an immediate impact, cause this current team is so flawed that anything less will not get us anywhere near the tourney. What’s more amazing is in year 3, we still can’t shoot, rebound or play defense against good teams...
Mullin will get his due time, but hard to see any improvements by him or as team for as long as he does not surround himself with knowledgeable college coaches.
Good breakdown. I'm for giving him another year. The only thing hat would make scrap that would be if Billy Donovan became available. It's not crazy that he could be let go, however you are talking May and then I'm assuming he would even have interest...which he probably wouldn't.
Why do you think Donovan turned St.John’s down in 2010? Coaches with real options don’t want to work for nice persons. Who can blame Donovan?
The reality is proven coaches with real options don’t want to coach at St Johns.
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Dictating staff changes especially to someone like Mullin never works.
He's either the HC or he is not. And this is all easy for you to say since none of you are the HC or actually have to work with said assistant.
So I can't take this seriously. You don't even know if that is the problem. You are a fan.
You are here throwing out solutions to problems you are not qualified to solve nor are in any position to solve.
You don't go to practices, sit in on the huddles etc.
And yet you are here suggesting something you are not even sure the boss wants.
Sorry. Anton Goff and SJU will not be telling Mullin to make a change. It will be his call as it should be, maybe he does or maybe he doesn't. But it is his call.
Therein lies the problem. There is no one in charge that has a clue that is big enough to tell an up to this date unsuccessful coach anything. Power 5 conferences the AD is more powerful than the coach unless you're talking about a Nick Saban or a coach K type.
You are right..and Mullin is our Saban, in terms of respect.
That's it, plain and simple.
No one is dictating anything to Mullin. Recruiting is the lifeblood of a program. Recruiting is getting better.
The kids play period of really good basketball.
No AD in his right might would dare force a one-sided change on Mullin.
End of story.
So Goff just walks by Mullin's office and says hi and nothing else everyday. No one has a clue except the geniuses on this board. Understand the frustration, but the solutions are reactionary. Losing Lovett and Wilson hurt big time, still like the team, despite the record, guess am more patient than most. Running businesses has made me think this way.
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With every loss it makes next year that much more important and that much more difficult. The only recent analogy/hope I can see is Pitino at Minnesota.
It's not a perfect analogy but after winning t he NIT with Tubby's holdovers in his first year he fell real fast in his next 2 years. And went squarely on the hot seat for year 4 at MInnesota.
His year 3 was a COMPLETE disaster. He was 8-23 and 2-16, I mean really bad... So he needed a HUGE turnaround in year 4 to keep his job. I mean not an NIT appearance, He ended up winning 24 games, going 11-7 and getting a 5 seed in the NCAA's (the equivalent of a top 20 team). That is a big time turnaround in 1 year with a lot of pressure. So it can be done.
I will say that Minnesota added a HUGE recruit in between year 3 and 4, Amir Coffey. A legit top 50 stud. That helped along with some other recruits and getting healthy. And Coffey stepped in and made a major impact as a freshman.
I see talent next year but I don't see an Amir Coffey coming in nor do I see quite frankly an Amir Coffey on the team already...
Oklahoma has had a huge turnaround between last year and this year. Of course again a huge impact freshman, Trae Young.
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This is well and good, but Mullin is not a coach. Until he brings in a staff of competent coaches, and he will not win.
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This is well and good, but Mullin is not a coach. Until he brings in a staff of competent coaches, and he will not win.
Well then he will be gone...
But the hope is next year is a huge breakthrough...realistic or not that is what we are hanging our hat on. And big turnarounds are not impossible even if they are inlikely...
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I think this year opens up Mullins eyes as far as what he needs. Rock bottom sometimes wakes up even the most stubborn people. It’s been 3 miserable years, what’s one more if he can’t succeed.
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Maybe just a coincidence but I found it interesting that there have been at least a half a dozen tweets about the staff and specifically CM being at the Invitational today recruiting. Again maybe just a coincidence but I do think Chris understands the uneasiness of the current situation and is trying to be more visible in recruiting (before it was mostly the staff-ie Matt) to make it clear there is no question how committed he is to turning this around.
@MarleyPaul22
Team Rio guys Bryan Antoine (25 points, 6 rebounds) and Jalen Gaffney (17 points, 5 rebounds, 4 assists) just battled with Chris Mullin & @mabde33 on hand #sjubb
Ranney won 58-51 over Westtown w/o Scottie Lewis at @EmpireInvite
@Andrew__Slater
6’10” Aidan Igiehon’19 @Big_harris22 attracted St.John’s coaches Chris Mullin & @mabde33 & Xavier’s Luke Murray to @EmpireInvite ☘️. Stanford, Oregon, Virginia are recruiting him hard too – at Adelphi University Center for Recreation & Sports
Pic of Chris and Matt:
https://twitter.com/EmpireInvite/status/955137050843537410