6th Man of St. John's Basketball
St. John's Red Storm => In The Jungle... => Topic started by: we are sju on January 18, 2018, 10:46:50 PM
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No I am not going to list possible replacements for Chris Mullin. I hope he figures this out next year and stays around awhile. However a really good post by Celtics11 in another thread got me to thinking. Instead of just throwing names out there, lets create the hypothetical perfect coach for the program as it stands currently. Who knows maybe this Frankenstein ST John's coach actually exists somewhere and might one day solve all of our college basketball related problems.
Lets start with AGE: Celtics thought a young hungry coach would be our best bet. I guess a Hurley qualifies. The problem with young and hungry of course is will they with success outgrow ST John's like Fran had aspirations to do. Personally I thought that instead of Norm the school should have hired Bob McKillop. The fear there besides him being white(if those Ron Rutledge rumors are to be believed) I guess was that he would be to old to be hungry enough for recruiting. So I guess we would need a coach that is not too young and not too old.
Location of origin: Ideally you would want a NYC / NJ candidate for recruiting. I for one like the idea of at least some local kids. Problem is NYC is not the hotbed it once was and others don't seem to married to the idea. Certainly the current and former coach weren't. Though Mullin has said in the past it was important to him. Another issue is that Mullin, Fran, Mahoney and the God awful Norm Roberts were all born in NY and none of them worked out. Of course a guy from Boston worked out pretty well...until it didn't. Also a guy from California also worked out ok but everyone seemed to hold the Hollywood thing against him. I am at a loss with this one. Everyone seems to love the Hurley's and we haven't had a Jersey guy yet so maybe that is a nice compromise. Lets go with NJ.
Coaching experience: Really goes hand in hand with age I guess. So we want someone that doesn't have a lot of experience and definitely do not want someone with no experience. So we can settle in on medium experience.
Recruiting: Based off thousands pf posts on the subject I gather we want someone hungry enough to do some of the recruiting on his own but also someone that will hire two not one assistants that can recruit. Again personally I think we should go the mid major route and really encourage the three and recruit shooters.
Staff:Another layup. Two recruiting assistants one of which is preferably Matt Abelicantspelltherestish . The other assistant should be George Blaney.
X & O's- We would like someone that is good here or at the very least has George Blaney type guy as his assistant.
Intangibles- Must have dry board skills, be able to recruit, hire a good staff, not be lazy, not be from Hollywood or have a Boston accent, doesn't give out corny nicknames, can't be named Norm, pay players at least bad ones and for the love of God do not sit on tables. Oh and almost forget Desco's request. Must be a snazzy dresser.
Anyone out there fit our descriptions?
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Nice job narrowing things down. If an opening does occur for head coach at SJU the University could do worse than use your requirements to start the search for candidates.
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We have a perfect coach right now. Mullin is a perfect 0-7.
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If we get a young hungry coach that ends up leaving us for a better job we'd be extremely lucky
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If we get a young hungry coach that ends up leaving us for a better job we'd be extremely lucky
No hire has been good enough to get a better job. Should be crystal clear who the real problem is. The only way this ever turns is if the university accepts that they have horrendous judgement.
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If we get a young hungry coach that ends up leaving us for a better job we'd be extremely lucky
No hire has been good enough to get a better job. Should be crystal clear who the real problem is. The only way this ever turns is if the university accepts that they have horrendous judgement.
Seems that way, but have there been better candidates willing to come here than those that were hired? That is the million dollar question.
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Will Brown - Suny Albany
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Fire Mullin and give me Danny Hurley please.
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How about the head coach of Montverde Academy - Kevin Boyle. He is well know in the Tri-state area and has expanded his reach to the south and even has international connections. This would be a good hire.
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If we get a young hungry coach that ends up leaving us for a better job we'd be extremely lucky
Agree. Keeps salary low also. I have no idea, but I would bet Mullin made more then the guy who came from Butler last year. Now at Ohio state
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Of course that coach exists. Let's not act like SJU is some big-time athletics program that scoured the entire country looking for the best candidates. Like I've said several times before, if they really want an up and coming HC there are plenty of guys out there who fit the bill. Either HC's at the mid major level or assts from any of the top programs in the country. The real question is would SJU admin. pony up and do what it takes to get a guy like this. That remains to be seen.
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Will Brown - Suny Albany
That would be a hire that no sane person could complain about. A head coach who gets his players to compete in his conference and against any team anywhere.
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Will Brown - Suny Albany
That would be a hire that no sane person could complain about. A head coach who gets his players to compete in his conference and against any team anywhere.
First four years at Albany
7-13
7-21
5-23
13-15
Lifetime winning percentage slightly north of .500. Two conference championships in 16 years. Eight of 16 seasons with .500 winning percentage or less, including four with less than 10 wins. All in the mighty America East against such powerhouses as University Maryland Baltimore County, University of Hartford and U Mass Lowell.
Screw Danny Hurley, get me this guy on the phone stat.
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Maybe Dougy Mac signs long term extension with the Knicks and old man decides he wants to coach in the same city. Hey he knows the conference well
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Will brown first job at community college - 90-10
Will brown last 6 seasons- he has won atleast 19 games.
Chris Mullin 8-35 in big east. Mullin vs big east minus depaul- 5-30
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Will brown first job at community college - 90-10. Will brown last 6 seasons- he has won atleast 19 games.
TonyD crying about Will Brown's conference record 2002. TonyD, calling for Will Brown's firing 2003.
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Will brown first job at community college - 90-10. Will brown last 6 seasons- he has won atleast 19 games.
TonyD crying about Will Brown's conference record 2002. TonyD, calling for Will Brown's firing 2003.
We have both been here since the beginning the norm days. I didn’t cry about norm. I didn’t cry about Lavin. I started what you call crying after our new coach got blown out by: st. Thomas, incarnate word, NYjt or is nyit, and that powerhouse from the Bronx. I know we had a cupard issue, but those game could have been some what competive. I guess 2 million doesn’t get you that far anymore. But that first year didn’t count. Everyone gets a pass.
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Will Brown - Suny Albany
That would be a hire that no sane person could complain about. A head coach who gets his players to compete in his conference and against any team anywhere.
First four years at Albany
7-13
7-21
5-23
13-15
Lifetime winning percentage slightly north of .500. Two conference championships in 16 years. Eight of 16 seasons with .500 winning percentage or less, including four with less than 10 wins. All in the mighty America East against such powerhouses as University Maryland Baltimore County, University of Hartford and U Mass Lowell.
Screw Danny Hurley, get me this guy on the phone stat.
Man, this is some sound logic. I bet if Chris Mullin ever turns it around and leads SJU to 5 Tournament appearances and multiple conference titles, you'll agree we can look back at his 8-34 Big East record through his first few years as evidence that he sucks as a coach.
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To me it just seems predetermined that Tim Cluess will be the next coach. I mean if Vegas were laying odds on such things he would have to be the favorite right? He has been successful and has ties to the program. Yet no one outside of maybe Baldi seems to want this. I don't. I guess because he is not really young and coaches at a crappy school?
If this does become reality will be fascinating to see how Baldi reacts.
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Will Brown - Suny Albany
That would be a hire that no sane person could complain about. A head coach who gets his players to compete in his conference and against any team anywhere.
First four years at Albany
7-13
7-21
5-23
13-15
Lifetime winning percentage slightly north of .500. Two conference championships in 16 years. Eight of 16 seasons with .500 winning percentage or less, including four with less than 10 wins. All in the mighty America East against such powerhouses as University Maryland Baltimore County, University of Hartford and U Mass Lowell.
Screw Danny Hurley, get me this guy on the phone stat.
Man, this is some sound logic. I bet if Chris Mullin ever turns it around and leads SJU to 5 Tournament appearances and multiple conference titles, you'll agree we can look back at his 8-34 Big East record through his first few years as evidence that he sucks as a coach.
Forget logic. Practice reading for comprehension.
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To me it just seems predetermined that Tim Cluess will be the next coach. I mean if Vegas were laying odds on such things he would have to be the favorite right? He has been successful and has ties to the program. Yet no one outside of maybe Baldi seems to want this. I don't. I guess because he is not really young and coaches at a crappy school? If this does become reality will be fascinating to see how Baldi reacts.
If nothing else we'd have a lot more information about what kind of car Cluess drives.
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To me it just seems predetermined that Tim Cluess will be the next coach. I mean if Vegas were laying odds on such things he would have to be the favorite right? He has been successful and has ties to the program. Yet no one outside of maybe Baldi seems to want this. I don't. I guess because he is not really young and coaches at a crappy school? If this does become reality will be fascinating to see how Baldi reacts.
If nothing else we'd have a lot more information about what kind of car Cluess drives.
What makes anyone think he wants this nowhere job?
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To me it just seems predetermined that Tim Cluess will be the next coach. I mean if Vegas were laying odds on such things he would have to be the favorite right? He has been successful and has ties to the program. Yet no one outside of maybe Baldi seems to want this. I don't. I guess because he is not really young and coaches at a crappy school? If this does become reality will be fascinating to see how Baldi reacts.
If nothing else we'd have a lot more information about what kind of car Cluess drives.
What makes anyone think he wants this nowhere job?
Maybe he's looking to test himself against other Division 1 coaches.
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If we get a young hungry coach that ends up leaving us for a better job we'd be extremely lucky
No hire has been good enough to get a better job. Should be crystal clear who the real problem is. The only way this ever turns is if the university accepts that they have horrendous judgement.
And then what ?
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Will brown first job at community college - 90-10
Will brown last 6 seasons- he has won atleast 19 games.
Chris Mullin 8-35 in big east. Mullin vs big east minus depaul- 5-30
I had a better record at the same school as an assistant and Fordham96 says I know less than the town drunk.
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Will Brown - Suny Albany
That would be a hire that no sane person could complain about. A head coach who gets his players to compete in his conference and against any team anywhere.
First four years at Albany
7-13
7-21
5-23
13-15
Lifetime winning percentage slightly north of .500. Two conference championships in 16 years. Eight of 16 seasons with .500 winning percentage or less, including four with less than 10 wins. All in the mighty America East against such powerhouses as University Maryland Baltimore County, University of Hartford and U Mass Lowell.
Screw Danny Hurley, get me this guy on the phone stat.
Man, this is some sound logic. I bet if Chris Mullin ever turns it around and leads SJU to 5 Tournament appearances and multiple conference titles, you'll agree we can look back at his 8-34 Big East record through his first few years as evidence that he sucks as a coach.
Forget logic. Practice reading for comprehension.
Perhaps get your point across better.
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Will brown first job at community college - 90-10
Will brown last 6 seasons- he has won atleast 19 games.
Chris Mullin 8-35 in big east. Mullin vs big east minus depaul- 5-30
I had a better record at the same school as an assistant and Fordham96 says I know less than the town drunk.
Forget him.
You are just in a little slump
Layoff Simon relax on Ponds love and you will be fine.
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Will Brown - Suny Albany
That would be a hire that no sane person could complain about. A head coach who gets his players to compete in his conference and against any team anywhere.
First four years at Albany
7-13
7-21
5-23
13-15
Lifetime winning percentage slightly north of .500. Two conference championships in 16 years. Eight of 16 seasons with .500 winning percentage or less, including four with less than 10 wins. All in the mighty America East against such powerhouses as University Maryland Baltimore County, University of Hartford and U Mass Lowell.
Screw Danny Hurley, get me this guy on the phone stat.
Man, this is some sound logic. I bet if Chris Mullin ever turns it around and leads SJU to 5 Tournament appearances and multiple conference titles, you'll agree we can look back at his 8-34 Big East record through his first few years as evidence that he sucks as a coach.
Forget logic. Practice reading for comprehension.
Perhaps get your point across better.
Fair enough. Prospectively I'll endeavor to be less obfuscatory.
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Will brown first job at community college - 90-10
Will brown last 6 seasons- he has won atleast 19 games.
Chris Mullin 8-35 in big east. Mullin vs big east minus depaul- 5-30
The point made earlier by FOAD is correct, and I have said it 1000X here. We tolerate rebuilds that take years at one place but never tolerate it here.
Meaning if these coaches had 2-3-4 year runs here that they had at place X we would be running them out of town. But when they happen somewhere else we say, "See what a rebuild job that guy did, that's what we need here." It's disingenuous and totally fair to point out.
My point with Mullin is this SJU team should not be losing to DePaul and Georgetown at home in year 3 even without Lovett. Also I gave him the benefit of the doubt of going after a person like Zach Brown as opposed to Hasahn French and that blew up in their face. Sid Wilson was a mistake. Kid never wanted to be here. Rohrssen debacle. Whiffing on a lot of recruits. Could tell you stories about how they failed to make Naz Reid's top 10. You wouldn't believe it. Or Muhammad recruitment. Now they weren't going to land all of those kids anyway but there have been big mistakes. Big mistakes and things that should not happen to a well oiled staff and a person who has the name recognition of CM.
But at the same time there is no way they would make a change this early, ain't happening. There is a enough here that they can win a few games including beat some good teams and get some momentum to go into next year with some added depth and see what we can do. But that does not excuse what has turned into a huge disappointment this year nor does it mean 100% that he will turn this around next year. But I think it is plausible and right now it is the only way to think anyway.
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Will brown first job at community college - 90-10
Will brown last 6 seasons- he has won atleast 19 games.
Chris Mullin 8-35 in big east. Mullin vs big east minus depaul- 5-30
The point made earlier by FOAD is correct, and I have said it 1000X here. We tolerate rebuilds that take years at one place but never tolerate it here.
Meaning if these coaches had 2-3-4 year runs here that they had at place X we would be running them out of town. But when they happen somewhere else we say, "See what a rebuild job that guy did, that's what we need here." It's disingenuous and totally fair to point out.
My point with Mullin is this SJU team should not be losing to DePaul and Georgetown at home in year 3 even without Lovett. Also I gave him the benefit of the doubt of going after a person like Zach Brown as opposed to Hasahn French and that blew up in their face. Sid Wilson was a mistake. Kid never wanted to be here. Rohrssen debacle. Whiffing on a lot of recruits. Could tell you stories about how they failed to make Naz Reid's top 10. You wouldn't believe it. Or Muhammad recruitment. Now they weren't going to land all of those kids anyway but there have been big mistakes. Big mistakes and things that should not happen to a well oiled staff and a person who has the name recognition of CM.
But at the same time there is no way they would make a change this early, ain't happening. There is a enough here that they can win a few games including beat some good teams and get some momentum to go into next year with some added depth and see what we can do. But that does not excuse what has turned into a huge disappointment this year nor does it mean 100% that he will turn this around next year. But I think it is plausible and right now it is the only way to think anyway.
Can't help myself.
So you started by saying people need to be patient that rebuilds take time.-Fair point but what most of the board not calling for Mullin's head have repeatedly posted. But of course you put your condescending spin on it.
However here are various reasons Mullin has sucked.-Yes but no one is saying he has done well.
Finally you end with he should be kept because of some predictions that you then say may not happen and even if things do turn around he still should be blamed for how bad things are currently.-Way to take a stance ::)
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Will brown first job at community college - 90-10
Will brown last 6 seasons- he has won atleast 19 games.
Chris Mullin 8-35 in big east. Mullin vs big east minus depaul- 5-30
The point made earlier by FOAD is correct, and I have said it 1000X here. We tolerate rebuilds that take years at one place but never tolerate it here.
Meaning if these coaches had 2-3-4 year runs here that they had at place X we would be running them out of town. But when they happen somewhere else we say, "See what a rebuild job that guy did, that's what we need here." It's disingenuous and totally fair to point out.
My point with Mullin is this SJU team should not be losing to DePaul and Georgetown at home in year 3 even without Lovett. Also I gave him the benefit of the doubt of going after a person like Zach Brown as opposed to Hasahn French and that blew up in their face. Sid Wilson was a mistake. Kid never wanted to be here. Rohrssen debacle. Whiffing on a lot of recruits. Could tell you stories about how they failed to make Naz Reid's top 10. You wouldn't believe it. Or Muhammad recruitment. Now they weren't going to land all of those kids anyway but there have been big mistakes. Big mistakes and things that should not happen to a well oiled staff and a person who has the name recognition of CM.
But at the same time there is no way they would make a change this early, ain't happening. There is a enough here that they can win a few games including beat some good teams and get some momentum to go into next year with some added depth and see what we can do. But that does not excuse what has turned into a huge disappointment this year nor does it mean 100% that he will turn this around next year. But I think it is plausible and right now it is the only way to think anyway.
Can't help myself.
So you started by saying people need to be patient that rebuilds take time.-Fair point but what most of the board not calling for Mullin's head have repeatedly posted. But of course you put your condescending spin on it.
However here are various reasons Mullin has sucked.-Yes but no one is saying he has done well.
Finally you end with he should be kept because of some predictions that you then say may not happen and even if things do turn around he still should be blamed for how bad things are currently.-Way to take a stance ::)
No that is not what I started saying at all. I said people are patient with someone else but not with their own school.
I didn't say you had to be patient or not be patient. I said it is inconsistent. That is not the same.
You're assuming I said something.
Furthermore I don't agree with your other nonsense. I have been totally consistent, he absolutely deserves criticism for this year, it is why I have said he needs to take TWO BIG steps forward next year. Some think that is too much to ask. I don't.
But either way he'll be here next year.
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If you are disappointed. You haven’t been watching. I was disappointed 2 years ago. Only 0-7. More beatdowns coming. Modest change or no change = same shit
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Could tell you stories about how they failed to make Naz Reid's top 10. You wouldn't believe it.
Try me.
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Will brown first job at community college - 90-10
Will brown last 6 seasons- he has won atleast 19 games.
Chris Mullin 8-35 in big east. Mullin vs big east minus depaul- 5-30
The point made earlier by FOAD is correct, and I have said it 1000X here. We tolerate rebuilds that take years at one place but never tolerate it here.
Meaning if these coaches had 2-3-4 year runs here that they had at place X we would be running them out of town. But when they happen somewhere else we say, "See what a rebuild job that guy did, that's what we need here." It's disingenuous and totally fair to point out.
My point with Mullin is this SJU team should not be losing to DePaul and Georgetown at home in year 3 even without Lovett. Also I gave him the benefit of the doubt of going after a person like Zach Brown as opposed to Hasahn French and that blew up in their face. Sid Wilson was a mistake. Kid never wanted to be here. Rohrssen debacle. Whiffing on a lot of recruits. Could tell you stories about how they failed to make Naz Reid's top 10. You wouldn't believe it. Or Muhammad recruitment. Now they weren't going to land all of those kids anyway but there have been big mistakes. Big mistakes and things that should not happen to a well oiled staff and a person who has the name recognition of CM.
But at the same time there is no way they would make a change this early, ain't happening. There is a enough here that they can win a few games including beat some good teams and get some momentum to go into next year with some added depth and see what we can do. But that does not excuse what has turned into a huge disappointment this year nor does it mean 100% that he will turn this around next year. But I think it is plausible and right now it is the only way to think anyway.
Can't help myself.
So you started by saying people need to be patient that rebuilds take time.-Fair point but what most of the board not calling for Mullin's head have repeatedly posted. But of course you put your condescending spin on it.
However here are various reasons Mullin has sucked.-Yes but no one is saying he has done well.
Finally you end with he should be kept because of some predictions that you then say may not happen and even if things do turn around he still should be blamed for how bad things are currently.-Way to take a stance ::)
No that is not what I started saying at all. I said people are patient with someone else but not with their own school.
I didn't say you had to be patient or not be patient. I said it is inconsistent. That is not the same.
You're assuming I said something.
Furthermore I don't agree with your other nonsense. I have been totally consistent, he absolutely deserves criticism for this year, it is why I have said he needs to take TWO BIG steps forward next year. Some think that is too much to ask. I don't.
But either way he'll be here next year.
Ok that is fair. And believe it or not I basically agree with that.
My only point in regards to Mullin has to do with patience with rebuilding. Honestly no fan wants to sit through a rebuild. However this fan base came close to patience under Norm Roberts. Again my point is if you were ever going to have patience it should be with Chris Mullin. At least more than 2 years worth of patience. Most disagree I guess. But then as you said who would they ever have patience with?
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Could tell you stories about how they failed to make Naz Reid's top 10. You wouldn't believe it.
Try me.
No way not public.
But my larger point is I would still try to spin news like that it as well it happens assuming that the ship was still heading in a good direction. But this year and this start has not boosted my confidence. No more benefit of the doubt, he needs to own this and his mistakes and get this thing right. He'll have the rest of this season and off-season to try to get this thing pointed in the right direction for 18-19.
I mean I can't imagine what this board and games at Carnesecca will be like if a year from now SJU is 2-5 next year in the League.
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If you are disappointed. You haven’t been watching. I was disappointed 2 years ago. Only 0-7. More beatdowns coming. Modest change or no change = same shit
No doubt and Mullin has failed in meeting the most modest of expectations this year. Regression.
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If you are disappointed. You haven’t been watching. I was disappointed 2 years ago. Only 0-7. More beatdowns coming. Modest change or no change = same shit
If we are 30-36 after two years under Cluess, Hurley or whoever you will be bitching coach should be fired.
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If you are disappointed. You haven’t been watching. I was disappointed 2 years ago. Only 0-7. More beatdowns coming. Modest change or no change = same shit
No doubt and Mullin has failed in meeting the most modest of expectations this year. Regression.
If all you consider is winning games this year has been close to a disaster. If you broaden the scope of the inquiry he's managed to balance the roster and amass some pretty good talent. Assuming no defections to Arizona, this is next year's roster
Marvin Clark(Sr)
Tariq Owens(Sr)
Kassaum Yakwe(Sr)
Marcus Lovett(Jr)
Shamorie Ponds(Jr) ****
Justin Simon(Jr) *****
Mikey Dixon(soph) (MAAC Rookie of the Year)
Sedee Keita(soph) ****
Bryan Trimble(soph) ***
J'raan Brooks(fresh) ****
Boubacar Diakite(fresh) ***
Josh Roberts(fresh) ***
Greg Williams(fresh) ****
Six upperclassmen, seven underclassmen. Six guards, seven forwards. As opposed to what the last couple of coaches managed, which guaranteed a rebuild every four years. Maybe he's completely over his head and knows nothing about basketball and all the talent in the world won't help him. I'm hoping he's the next Will Brown. #fingerscrossed
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If you are disappointed. You haven’t been watching. I was disappointed 2 years ago. Only 0-7. More beatdowns coming. Modest change or no change = same shit
No doubt and Mullin has failed in meeting the most modest of expectations this year. Regression.
If all you consider is winning games this year has been close to a disaster. If you broaden the scope of the inquiry he's managed to balance the roster and amass some pretty good talent. Assuming no defections to Arizona, this is next year's roster
Marvin Clark(Sr)
Tariq Owens(Sr)
Kassaum Yakwe(Sr)
Marcus Lovett(Jr)
Shamorie Ponds(Jr) ****
Justin Simon(Jr) *****
Mikey Dixon(soph) (MAAC Rookie of the Year)
Sedee Keita(soph) ****
Bryan Trimble(soph) ***
J'raan Brooks(fresh) ****
Boubacar Diakite(fresh) ***
Josh Roberts(fresh) ***
Greg Williams(fresh) ****
Six upperclassmen, seven underclassmen. Six guards, seven forwards. As opposed to what the last couple of coaches managed, which guaranteed a rebuild every four years. Maybe he's completely over his head and knows nothing about basketball and all the talent in the world won't help him. I'm hoping he's the next Will Brown. #fingerscrossed
Yes.
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If you are disappointed. You haven’t been watching. I was disappointed 2 years ago. Only 0-7. More beatdowns coming. Modest change or no change = same shit
No doubt and Mullin has failed in meeting the most modest of expectations this year. Regression.
If all you consider is winning games this year has been close to a disaster. If you broaden the scope of the inquiry he's managed to balance the roster and amass some pretty good talent. Assuming no defections to Arizona, this is next year's roster
Marvin Clark(Sr)
Tariq Owens(Sr)
Kassaum Yakwe(Sr)
Marcus Lovett(Jr)
Shamorie Ponds(Jr) ****
Justin Simon(Jr) *****
Mikey Dixon(soph) (MAAC Rookie of the Year)
Sedee Keita(soph) ****
Bryan Trimble(soph) ***
J'raan Brooks(fresh) ****
Boubacar Diakite(fresh) ***
Josh Roberts(fresh) ***
Greg Williams(fresh) ****
Six upperclassmen, seven underclassmen. Six guards, seven forwards. As opposed to what the last couple of coaches managed, which guaranteed a rebuild every four years. Maybe he's completely over his head and knows nothing about basketball and all the talent in the world won't help him. I'm hoping he's the next Will Brown. #fingerscrossed
Has any program in the country ever had two separate Diakite's and Keita's in their history? Since we can no longer claim to be 4 or 5th or whatever it was in wins all time I think the program should choose this to brag about.
BTW you would think based off our past history we would stay away from Keita's. Like can you imagine the Cubs having a Bartman? The Rangers a Potvin? The Red Sox another Buckner? Though they do have a Mookie so who knows.
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If you are disappointed. You haven’t been watching. I was disappointed 2 years ago. Only 0-7. More beatdowns coming. Modest change or no change = same shit
No doubt and Mullin has failed in meeting the most modest of expectations this year. Regression.
If all you consider is winning games this year has been close to a disaster. If you broaden the scope of the inquiry he's managed to balance the roster and amass some pretty good talent. Assuming no defections to Arizona, this is next year's roster
Marvin Clark(Sr)
Tariq Owens(Sr)
Kassaum Yakwe(Sr)
Marcus Lovett(Jr)
Shamorie Ponds(Jr) ****
Justin Simon(Jr) *****
Mikey Dixon(soph) (MAAC Rookie of the Year)
Sedee Keita(soph) ****
Bryan Trimble(soph) ***
J'raan Brooks(fresh) ****
Boubacar Diakite(fresh) ***
Josh Roberts(fresh) ***
Greg Williams(fresh) ****
Six upperclassmen, seven underclassmen. Six guards, seven forwards. As opposed to what the last couple of coaches managed, which guaranteed a rebuild every four years. Maybe he's completely over his head and knows nothing about basketball and all the talent in the world won't help him. I'm hoping he's the next Will Brown. #fingerscrossed
Yeah the roster does look really good on paper and I hope you're right.
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If you are disappointed. You haven’t been watching. I was disappointed 2 years ago. Only 0-7. More beatdowns coming. Modest change or no change = same shit
No doubt and Mullin has failed in meeting the most modest of expectations this year. Regression.
If all you consider is winning games this year has been close to a disaster. If you broaden the scope of the inquiry he's managed to balance the roster and amass some pretty good talent. Assuming no defections to Arizona, this is next year's roster
Marvin Clark(Sr)
Tariq Owens(Sr)
Kassaum Yakwe(Sr)
Marcus Lovett(Jr)
Shamorie Ponds(Jr) ****
Justin Simon(Jr) *****
Mikey Dixon(soph) (MAAC Rookie of the Year)
Sedee Keita(soph) ****
Bryan Trimble(soph) ***
J'raan Brooks(fresh) ****
Boubacar Diakite(fresh) ***
Josh Roberts(fresh) ***
Greg Williams(fresh) ****
Six upperclassmen, seven underclassmen. Six guards, seven forwards. As opposed to what the last couple of coaches managed, which guaranteed a rebuild every four years. Maybe he's completely over his head and knows nothing about basketball and all the talent in the world won't help him. I'm hoping he's the next Will Brown. #fingerscrossed
Eh it's OK talent. I expected more. Rawle Alkins, Mustapha Heron etc...And the failure to land a lot of key recruits over the first 3 classes, a number of transfers and the taking in a lot of transfers who have to sit a year has led to him needing his 4th full year before he has a full roster. Most of the stuff that caused it is on him and the staff, especially losing Slice. I other words if he had done a better job he could have achieved that at least a year earlier.
And yes a balanced roster on paper sounds good but it is a bit overrated. First off no one believes that the roster will look the same as you just stated come next season. We all know a few changes will inevitably happen. Also the staff has tried to land big time 1 and done recruits and still are. So they aren't necessarily always worried about balance because they would need to replace those freshman immediately. Recruit better EVERY year and roster balance/imbalance is not that big of a deal.
But again it is a pretty good roster on paper, but I am more worried about talent level and ability to contribute right away then simply having 4 freshmen, 4 seniors etc. And I'll give him some credit but the fact is much of the reason we had to wait this long into next year is because of some of the bad choices and bad recruiting he did earlier. That is on him.
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Eh it's OK talent. I expected more.
Eh well, not being a Kentucky fan I'm happy with a half a dozen four and five star recruits and being a St John's fan I'm accustomed to less. If the talent's just okay it'd be hard for anyone to compete in one of the top conferences in the country, much less someone who has no benefit of the doubt left. If a couple five top 100 recruits just won't cut it. I'll adjust my expectations downward accordingly.
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The key to next year is retaining our players and recruits.
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Benefit of the doubt. Foady- u like stats. I am not looking it up, but from memory we got killed last year. Most of the cult was happy that our coach was paying attention. Look up scoring margins especially the 1st half in big east games. We got absolutely destroyed. Every loss was an absolute beat down. Second halves teams calmed down. Except in the big east- nova dropped 108 points .
How do you give up 108 points in a college basketball game ? How many times did we give 90 points? What team does that?
Plenty of season left. The pro Mullin argument should expect to see improvement. Not benefit of the doubt. Not passes. Not Rome wasn’t built in a day. Not trust the process. Certainly not cupards. This is not CYO . Produce or leave
Season is half over - we still have 5 and 4 star players- jerry wainwright had that? Oliver Purnell lost withguys like that
We play Georgetown And creighton this week- winning both should be possible-
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The key to next year is retaining our players and recruits.
Most important signee for next year is an assistant who knows what he is doing
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If Matt was not so one dimensional he would be perfect! Someone from within who loves St.John's.
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Benefit of the doubt. Foady- u like stats. I am not looking it up, but from memory we got killed last year. Most of the cult was happy that our coach was paying attention. Look up scoring margins especially the 1st half in big east games. We got absolutely destroyed. Every loss was an absolute beat down. Second halves teams calmed down. Except in the big east- nova dropped 108 points .
How do you give up 108 points in a college basketball game ? How many times did we give 90 points? What team does that?
Plenty of season left. The pro Mullin argument should expect to see improvement. Not benefit of the doubt. Not passes. Not Rome wasn’t built in a day. Not trust the process. Certainly not cupards. This is not CYO . Produce or leave
Season is half over - we still have 5 and 4 star players- jerry wainwright had that? Oliver Purnell lost withguys like that
We play Georgetown And creighton this week- winning both should be possible-
Although I appreciate your rehashing it , I'm aware of what happened last year. And I'm not not so senile that I'm even aware of what happened this year. This year sucked after December. I cannot predict what happens next year, but I hope it's better. I hope they win tomorrow, they've been playing hard, they deserve a win. I hope they win out. That's not likely, but I hope it happens.
What do you hope they do? My spidey sense tells me you hope they lose a bunch of games so you can sat I told you so.
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Benefit of the doubt. Foady- u like stats. I am not looking it up, but from memory we got killed last year. Most of the cult was happy that our coach was paying attention. Look up scoring margins especially the 1st half in big east games. We got absolutely destroyed. Every loss was an absolute beat down. Second halves teams calmed down. Except in the big east- nova dropped 108 points .
How do you give up 108 points in a college basketball game ? How many times did we give 90 points? What team does that?
Plenty of season left. The pro Mullin argument should expect to see improvement. Not benefit of the doubt. Not passes. Not Rome wasn’t built in a day. Not trust the process. Certainly not cupards. This is not CYO . Produce or leave
Season is half over - we still have 5 and 4 star players- jerry wainwright had that? Oliver Purnell lost withguys like that
We play Georgetown And creighton this week- winning both should be possible-
Although I appreciate your rehashing it , I'm aware of what happened last year. And I'm not not so senile that I'm even aware of what happened this year. This year sucked after December. I cannot predict what happens next year, but I hope it's better. I hope they win tomorrow, they've been playing hard, they deserve a win. I hope they win out. That's not likely, but I hope it happens.
What do you hope they do? My spidey sense tells me you hope they lose a bunch of games so you can sat I told you so.
No self respecting St.John’s fan wants to see us lose.
But you know what I think the board might find refreshing after listening to you rip Coach Lavin from the minute he began at St.John’s?
You can admit that you were wrong. Not just a little wrong, but undeniably wrong,
Mullin is the worst coach in the history of St.John’s basketball.
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But you know what I think the board might find refreshing after listening to you rip Coach Lavin from the minute he began at St.John’s?
You can admit that you were wrong. Not just a little wrong, but undeniably wrong,
Actually stupid, I didn't rip Lavin from the day he was hired. Quite the contrary. As regular readers of my popular blog will remember, when Lavin was hired I announced that I was moving the day I was lucky enough to marry my delightful bride down from number two to number three on the list of the greatest days of my life. Originally my wedding day was was number one - I mean you have to say that to keep the peace, actually the greatest day of my life involved several bottles of tequila and two young sisters fresh off the bus from Cinco Esquinas but that's not the kind of thing you discuss in polite company - but then I won a national handicapping contest sponsored by the Daily Racing Form by picking the winner of the Breeder's Cup Classic in 2001, so that moved her down to two, and then then day Lavin was hired I told her she'd become number three, that's how happy I was thinking that by hiring an actual basketball coach my beloved Redmen were going to become nationally prominent again. That was before I realized that Lavin was less a basketball coach than a mentally ill snake oil saleman. Not being a completely gullible rube from Scarsdale I moved Mrs Fun back to number two and we've lived happily ever after since then. How's your life life? I'm guessing it involves a lot of self loathing and hand lotion.
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Eh it's OK talent. I expected more.
Eh well, not being a Kentucky fan I'm happy with a half a dozen four and five star recruits and being a St John's fan I'm accustomed to less. If the talent's just okay it'd be hard for anyone to compete in one of the top conferences in the country, much less someone who has no benefit of the doubt left. If a couple five top 100 recruits just won't cut it. I'll adjust my expectations downward accordingly.
Come on. They didn't go after Barry Rohrssen with large sums of money and pry him away from UK so we could go after Mikey Dixon from Quinnipiac.. Not to mention the fact that at his introductory press conference Chris said if there is a top NY/NJ area kid SJU needs to land him. SJU went after almost every top 20 kid the last 3 years and landed none of them (Ponds was nice but not in the class of those kids I named earlier).
The fact is a solid assistant off of a major program hired as a HC, a lower level HC with some experience hired as HC or even Lavin could have recruited the same or equivalent roster in 4 years. Doesn't mean it can't be good but stop acting like the alternative is UK or Duke. Villanova is not UK or Duke and they can get Brunson, Spellman etc....
Again it is certainly not a bad roster but I see a lot of kids that will need to develop and no real impact freshmen recruits. And I can tell you certain staff members months ago were hyping this incoming class in anticipation of landing kids like Reid, Muhammad etc...that wasn't me that was the staff talking to local scribes...
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Eh it's OK talent. I expected more.
Eh well, not being a Kentucky fan I'm happy with a half a dozen four and five star recruits and being a St John's fan I'm accustomed to less. If the talent's just okay it'd be hard for anyone to compete in one of the top conferences in the country, much less someone who has no benefit of the doubt left. If a couple five top 100 recruits just won't cut it. I'll adjust my expectations downward accordingly.
Come on. They didn't go after Barry Rohrssen with large sums of money and pry him away from UK so we could go after Mikey Dixon from Quinnipiac.. Not to mention the fact that at his introductory press conference Chris said if there is a top NY/NJ area kid SJU needs to land him. SJU went after almost every top 20 kid the last 3 years and landed none of them (Ponds was nice but not in the class of those kids I named earlier).
The fact is a solid assistant off of a major program hired as a HC, a lower level HC with some experience hired as HC or even Lavin could have recruited the same or equivalent roster in 4 years. Doesn't mean it can't be good but stop acting like the alternative is UK or Duke. Villanova is not UK or Duke and they can get Brunson, Spellman etc....
Again it is certainly not a bad roster but I see a lot of kids that will need to develop and no real impact freshmen recruits. And I can tell you certain staff members months ago were hyping this incoming class in anticipation of landing kids like Reid, Muhammad etc...that wasn't me that was the staff talking to local scribes...
Same guy who asked for a raise
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Eh it's OK talent. I expected more.
Eh well, not being a Kentucky fan I'm happy with a half a dozen four and five star recruits and being a St John's fan I'm accustomed to less. If the talent's just okay it'd be hard for anyone to compete in one of the top conferences in the country, much less someone who has no benefit of the doubt left. If a couple five top 100 recruits just won't cut it. I'll adjust my expectations downward accordingly.
Come on. They didn't go after Barry Rohrssen with large sums of money and pry him away from UK so we could go after Mikey Dixon from Quinnipiac.. Not to mention the fact that at his introductory press conference Chris said if there is a top NY/NJ area kid SJU needs to land him. SJU went after almost every top 20 kid the last 3 years and landed none of them (Ponds was nice but not in the class of those kids I named earlier).
The fact is a solid assistant off of a major program hired as a HC, a lower level HC with some experience hired as HC or even Lavin could have recruited the same or equivalent roster in 4 years. Doesn't mean it can't be good but stop acting like the alternative is UK or Duke. Villanova is not UK or Duke and they can get Brunson, Spellman etc....
Again it is certainly not a bad roster but I see a lot of kids that will need to develop and no real impact freshmen recruits. And I can tell you certain staff members months ago were hyping this incoming class in anticipation of landing kids like Reid, Muhammad etc...that wasn't me that was the staff talking to local scribes...
Same guy who asked for a raise
Same guy who can't do anything else besides recruit. A modern day Vinny Cerrato, he ain't.
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Eh it's OK talent. I expected more.
Eh well, not being a Kentucky fan I'm happy with a half a dozen four and five star recruits and being a St John's fan I'm accustomed to less. If the talent's just okay it'd be hard for anyone to compete in one of the top conferences in the country, much less someone who has no benefit of the doubt left. If a couple five top 100 recruits just won't cut it. I'll adjust my expectations downward accordingly.
Come on. They didn't go after Barry Rohrssen with large sums of money and pry him away from UK so we could go after Mikey Dixon from Quinnipiac.. Not to mention the fact that at his introductory press conference Chris said if there is a top NY/NJ area kid SJU needs to land him. SJU went after almost every top 20 kid the last 3 years and landed none of them (Ponds was nice but not in the class of those kids I named earlier).
The fact is a solid assistant off of a major program hired as a HC, a lower level HC with some experience hired as HC or even Lavin could have recruited the same or equivalent roster in 4 years. Doesn't mean it can't be good but stop acting like the alternative is UK or Duke. Villanova is not UK or Duke and they can get Brunson, Spellman etc....
Again it is certainly not a bad roster but I see a lot of kids that will need to develop and no real impact freshmen recruits. And I can tell you certain staff members months ago were hyping this incoming class in anticipation of landing kids like Reid, Muhammad etc...that wasn't me that was the staff talking to local scribes...
Same guy who asked for a raise
Same guy who can't do anything else besides recruit. A modern day Vinny Cerrato, he ain't.
But he went to St. John's, so he gets a pass. And a raise
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Just to be clear my point is not to bash a person on the staff or anyone on the staff. My only point is again to put that roster into perspective when you take a look at the staff almost 3 years ago and who they hired and who they were targetting wrt recruits and who they ultimately landed.
I have to believe the average fan would have thought SJU would have had 2-3 or more local top 10-20 kids on this roster by then and maybe a few other high impact recruits. Instead they essentially landed none of the highly touted kids, went the transfer route and picked up some kids that are solid and projects...I'm sorry I expected more because again I think plenty of potential HC candidates could have recruited that roster.
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Just to be clear my point is not to bash a person on the staff or anyone on the staff. My only point is again to put that roster into perspective when you take a look at the staff almost 3 years ago and who they hired and who they were targetting wrt recruits and who they ultimately landed.
I have to believe the average fan would have thought SJU would have had 2-3 or more local top 10-20 kids on this roster by then and maybe a few other high impact recruits. Instead they essentially landed none of the highly touted kids, went the transfer route and picked up some kids that are solid and projects...I'm sorry I expected more because again I think plenty of potential HC candidates could have recruited that roster.
Mullin has landed less local talent than Norm Roberts.
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But you know what I think the board might find refreshing after listening to you rip Coach Lavin from the minute he began at St.John’s?
You can admit that you were wrong. Not just a little wrong, but undeniably wrong,
Actually stupid, I didn't rip Lavin from the day he was hired. Quite the contrary. As regular readers of my popular blog will remember, when Lavin was hired I announced that I was moving the day I was lucky enough to marry my delightful bride down from number two to number three on the list of the greatest days of my life. Originally my wedding day was was number one - I mean you have to say that to keep the peace, actually the greatest day of my life involved several bottles of tequila and two young sisters fresh off the bus from Cinco Esquinas but that's not the kind of thing you discuss in polite company - but then I won a national handicapping contest sponsored by the Daily Racing Form by picking the winner of the Breeder's Cup Classic in 2001, so that moved her down to two, and then then day Lavin was hired I told her she'd become number three, that's how happy I was thinking that by hiring an actual basketball coach my beloved Redmen were going to become nationally prominent again. That was before I realized that Lavin was less a basketball coach than a mentally ill snake oil saleman. Not being a completely gullible rube from Scarsdale I moved Mrs Fun back to number two and we've lived happily ever after since then. How's your life life? I'm guessing it involves a lot of self loathing and hand lotion.
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Eh it's OK talent. I expected more.
Eh well, not being a Kentucky fan I'm happy with a half a dozen four and five star recruits and being a St John's fan I'm accustomed to less. If the talent's just okay it'd be hard for anyone to compete in one of the top conferences in the country, much less someone who has no benefit of the doubt left. If a couple five top 100 recruits just won't cut it. I'll adjust my expectations downward accordingly.
Come on. They didn't go after Barry Rohrssen with large sums of money and pry him away from UK so we could go after Mikey Dixon from Quinnipiac.. Not to mention the fact that at his introductory press conference Chris said if there is a top NY/NJ area kid SJU needs to land him. SJU went after almost every top 20 kid the last 3 years and landed none of them (Ponds was nice but not in the class of those kids I named earlier).
The fact is a solid assistant off of a major program hired as a HC, a lower level HC with some experience hired as HC or even Lavin could have recruited the same or equivalent roster in 4 years. Doesn't mean it can't be good but stop acting like the alternative is UK or Duke. Villanova is not UK or Duke and they can get Brunson, Spellman etc....
Again it is certainly not a bad roster but I see a lot of kids that will need to develop and no real impact freshmen recruits. And I can tell you certain staff members months ago were hyping this incoming class in anticipation of landing kids like Reid, Muhammad etc...that wasn't me that was the staff talking to local scribes...
Same guy who asked for a raise
Same guy who can't do anything else besides recruit. A modern day Vinny Cerrato, he ain't.
But he went to St. John's, so he gets a pass. And a raise
I don't get this idea of "he gets a pass.." From who? He is an assistant he works for and is chosen by the HC. Again much like the argument of hiring an assistant, if you have a problem with the staff than you have a problem with the HC and that who is ultimately the problem.
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I work and live near Davidson College in NC and occasionally go to games. Not a fan, but just go for the basketball.
Went to the Davidson - St. Bonaventure game tonight.
What stood out to me after reflecting on St. John's all season is the difference in what a well coached basketball team looks like. Bob McKillop has a great program. They play outstanding team ball. Balls moves crisply, looking to find the man with the best look at the basket. There were no noticeable attempts at trying to make ESPN highlight reel, isolation ball etc. Team shot 43% from 3, 93% for FT line etc. Even St. Bonaventure was well coached. Sure some of these guys may be a step to slow or inch to short, but there were a few guys that clearly could cut it in "power conferences.
On another note, for a 5K arena, Davidson's place is really nice, and seat backs throughout are a pleasure. Couple this with a nice student section who was loud out of the gate. Even St. Bonaventure had a strong fan base that seemed 200+ strong and they were loud from the whistle too. I come up to NY for several St. John's games a year and this experience is night and day. About the only thing better is the dance team and the better music.
For me, it's just clear we need to do better in all areas.... coaching, recruiting, fan base, investment in program or just face reality that this program is living 30+ years on the past.
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Eh it's OK talent. I expected more.
Eh well, not being a Kentucky fan I'm happy with a half a dozen four and five star recruits and being a St John's fan I'm accustomed to less. If the talent's just okay it'd be hard for anyone to compete in one of the top conferences in the country, much less someone who has no benefit of the doubt left. If a couple five top 100 recruits just won't cut it. I'll adjust my expectations downward accordingly.
Come on. They didn't go after Barry Rohrssen with large sums of money and pry him away from UK so we could go after Mikey Dixon from Quinnipiac.. Not to mention the fact that at his introductory press conference Chris said if there is a top NY/NJ area kid SJU needs to land him. SJU went after almost every top 20 kid the last 3 years and landed none of them (Ponds was nice but not in the class of those kids I named earlier).
The fact is a solid assistant off of a major program hired as a HC, a lower level HC with some experience hired as HC or even Lavin could have recruited the same or equivalent roster in 4 years. Doesn't mean it can't be good but stop acting like the alternative is UK or Duke. Villanova is not UK or Duke and they can get Brunson, Spellman etc....
Again it is certainly not a bad roster but I see a lot of kids that will need to develop and no real impact freshmen recruits. And I can tell you certain staff members months ago were hyping this incoming class in anticipation of landing kids like Reid, Muhammad etc...that wasn't me that was the staff talking to local scribes...
Same guy who asked for a raise
Same guy who can't do anything else besides recruit. A modern day Vinny Cerrato, he ain't.
But he went to St. John's, so he gets a pass. And a raise
I don't get this idea of "he gets a pass.." From who? He is an assistant he works for and is chosen by the HC. Again much like the argument of hiring an assistant, if you have a problem with the staff than you have a problem with the HC and that who is ultimately the problem.
Matt is supposedly known for his recruiting no? What he gets paid for. Where are the Big East players?
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I work and live near Davidson College in NC and occasionally go to games. Not a fan, but just go for the basketball.
Went to the Davidson - St. Bonaventure game tonight.
What stood out to me after reflecting on St. John's all season is the difference in what a well coached basketball team looks like. Bob McKillop has a great program. They play outstanding team ball. Balls moves crisply, looking to find the man with the best look at the basket. There were no noticeable attempts at trying to make ESPN highlight reel, isolation ball etc. Team shot 43% from 3, 93% for FT line etc. Even St. Bonaventure was well coached. Sure some of these guys may be a step to slow or inch to short, but there were a few guys that clearly could cut it in "power conferences.
On another note, for a 5K arena, Davidson's place is really nice, and seat backs throughout are a pleasure. Couple this with a nice student section who was loud out of the gate. Even St. Bonaventure had a strong fan base that seemed 200+ strong and they were loud from the whistle too. I come up to NY for several St. John's games a year and this experience is night and day. About the only thing better is the dance team and the better music.
For me, it's just clear we need to do better in all areas.... coaching, recruiting, fan base, investment in program or just face reality that this program is living 30+ years on the past.
Great post NC. Totally agree with your statement of appreciating what a well coached basketball team looks like. It's like Justice Potter Stewart said of trying to define the parameters of pornography when he wrote he may not be able to define it but he knows it when he sees it. After watching tons of basketball for over 50 years I know a well coached team when I see one. Even a few of the announcers who by and large never criticize coaches (think it was JT3 and Steve Lappas) pointed out in our last few games many poor things we were doing out on the court. In anticipation of any Foad corrections or criticisms Foad can go Foad himself.
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Knocking the staff for not signing top players and for landing Mikey Dixon doesn't make sense. Simon was ranked #30 in the RSCI, Ponds was ranked as high as #35, Yakwe was top 75, Keita was #85, Lovett was top 75, and Brooks is top 80. That's more than we deserve with 9 conference wins in three years.
Dixon would certainly have been a top 100 and probably a top 75 player in his class if the rankings were redone after his freshman season. He's a great recruit for a # of reasons.
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Knocking the staff for not signing top players and for landing Mikey Dixon doesn't make sense. Simon was ranked #30 in the RSCI, Ponds was ranked as high as #35, Yakwe was top 75, Keita was #85, Lovett was top 75, and Brooks is top 80. That's more than we deserve with 9 conference wins in three years.
Dixon would certainly have been a top 100 and probably a top 75 player in his class if the rankings were redone after his freshman season. He's a great recruit for a # of reasons.
Dixon is probably a good player but you are setting yourself up to be disappointed in a huge way. There have been a few guys pretty recently that scored a ton of points in a lower conference, transferred up and haven't really been good at that higher level. I hope he'll be a solid guy for us for 3 years but I have my reservations
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Knocking the staff for not signing top players and for landing Mikey Dixon doesn't make sense. Simon was ranked #30 in the RSCI, Ponds was ranked as high as #35, Yakwe was top 75, Keita was #85, Lovett was top 75, and Brooks is top 80. That's more than we deserve with 9 conference wins in three years.
Dixon would certainly have been a top 100 and probably a top 75 player in his class if the rankings were redone after his freshman season. He's a great recruit for a # of reasons.
Dixon is probably a good player but you are setting yourself up to be disappointed in a huge way. There have been a few guys pretty recently that scored a ton of points in a lower conference, transferred up and haven't really been good at that higher level. I hope he'll be a solid guy for us for 3 years but I have my reservations
How am I setting myself up for anything? I didn't even say what I expected out of him. As a former coach and someone that has been around college teams more than most, I look at things differently. You need depth and continuity to get to the level and consistency of a team like Xavier. You also need to cover all your bases before having stars even matter.
I think Dixon will be a good 8th or 9th guy. He's a great recruit to me because (1) his floor is pretty high given what he has shown in college already combined with his skills and shooting %s (2) he came here knowing we already had Ponds, Simon, and Lovett only a year ahead of him (3) we have leverage on him since no kid wants to sit out two years for two transfers and (4) he will help bring continuity with 3-4 years on the team.
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Knocking the staff for not signing top players and for landing Mikey Dixon doesn't make sense. Simon was ranked #30 in the RSCI, Ponds was ranked as high as #35, Yakwe was top 75, Keita was #85, Lovett was top 75, and Brooks is top 80. That's more than we deserve with 9 conference wins in three years.
Dixon would certainly have been a top 100 and probably a top 75 player in his class if the rankings were redone after his freshman season. He's a great recruit for a # of reasons.
Dixon is probably a good player but you are setting yourself up to be disappointed in a huge way. There have been a few guys pretty recently that scored a ton of points in a lower conference, transferred up and haven't really been good at that higher level. I hope he'll be a solid guy for us for 3 years but I have my reservations
How am I setting myself up for anything? I didn't even say what I expected out of him. As a former coach and someone that has been around college teams more than most, I look at things differently. You need depth and continuity to get to the level and consistency of a team like Xavier. You also need to cover all your bases before having stars even matter.
I think Dixon will be a good 8th or 9th guy. He's a great recruit to me because (1) his floor is pretty high given what he has shown in college already combined with his skills and shooting %s (2) he came here knowing we already had Ponds, Simon, and Lovett only a year ahead of him (3) we have leverage on him since no kid wants to sit out two years for two transfers and (4) he will help bring continuity with 3-4 years on the team.
You said he'd be a top 100 player in the class if they redid the rankings. That's probably wildly false and I took it to mean you will expect top 100 player type production from him. Maybe you didn't mean it but that's how it came across.
Sit-out transfers also gain the leverage back since they typically graduate after their 3rd year of eligibility, meaning they can transfer wherever as a grad transfer. This could all be moot anyway if the rules change to allow kids to transfer whenever without having to sit out
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I work and live near Davidson College in NC and occasionally go to games. Not a fan, but just go for the basketball.
Went to the Davidson - St. Bonaventure game tonight.
What stood out to me after reflecting on St. John's all season is the difference in what a well coached basketball team looks like. Bob McKillop has a great program. They play outstanding team ball. Balls moves crisply, looking to find the man with the best look at the basket. There were no noticeable attempts at trying to make ESPN highlight reel, isolation ball etc. Team shot 43% from 3, 93% for FT line etc. Even St. Bonaventure was well coached. Sure some of these guys may be a step to slow or inch to short, but there were a few guys that clearly could cut it in "power conferences.
On another note, for a 5K arena, Davidson's place is really nice, and seat backs throughout are a pleasure. Couple this with a nice student section who was loud out of the gate. Even St. Bonaventure had a strong fan base that seemed 200+ strong and they were loud from the whistle too. I come up to NY for several St. John's games a year and this experience is night and day. About the only thing better is the dance team and the better music.
For me, it's just clear we need to do better in all areas.... coaching, recruiting, fan base, investment in program or just face reality that this program is living 30+ years on the past.
Product first. Then fans. The casual fan considers STJ to be a trash bag program. The alumni could give a shit no matter what.
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Knocking the staff for not signing top players and for landing Mikey Dixon doesn't make sense. Simon was ranked #30 in the RSCI, Ponds was ranked as high as #35, Yakwe was top 75, Keita was #85, Lovett was top 75, and Brooks is top 80. That's more than we deserve with 9 conference wins in three years.
Dixon would certainly have been a top 100 and probably a top 75 player in his class if the rankings were redone after his freshman season. He's a great recruit for a # of reasons.
Dixon is probably a good player but you are setting yourself up to be disappointed in a huge way. There have been a few guys pretty recently that scored a ton of points in a lower conference, transferred up and haven't really been good at that higher level. I hope he'll be a solid guy for us for 3 years but I have my reservations
How am I setting myself up for anything? I didn't even say what I expected out of him. As a former coach and someone that has been around college teams more than most, I look at things differently. You need depth and continuity to get to the level and consistency of a team like Xavier. You also need to cover all your bases before having stars even matter.
I think Dixon will be a good 8th or 9th guy. He's a great recruit to me because (1) his floor is pretty high given what he has shown in college already combined with his skills and shooting %s (2) he came here knowing we already had Ponds, Simon, and Lovett only a year ahead of him (3) we have leverage on him since no kid wants to sit out two years for two transfers and (4) he will help bring continuity with 3-4 years on the team.
You said he'd be a top 100 player in the class if they redid the rankings. That's probably wildly false and I took it to mean you will expect top 100 player type production from him. Maybe you didn't mean it but that's how it came across.
Sit-out transfers also gain the leverage back since they typically graduate after their 3rd year of eligibility, meaning they can transfer wherever as a grad transfer. This could all be moot anyway if the rules change to allow kids to transfer whenever without having to sit out
Based on merit I think he would have been top 100 after his freshman year. He probably gets bounced out after his redshirt year this season with other guys passing him by showing growth. There are always lot of busts in the original top 100 (Mo Diakate was once #52 and Yakwe was top 75).
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Eh it's OK talent. I expected more.
Eh well, not being a Kentucky fan I'm happy with a half a dozen four and five star recruits and being a St John's fan I'm accustomed to less. If the talent's just okay it'd be hard for anyone to compete in one of the top conferences in the country, much less someone who has no benefit of the doubt left. If a couple five top 100 recruits just won't cut it. I'll adjust my expectations downward accordingly.
Come on. They didn't go after Barry Rohrssen with large sums of money and pry him away from UK so we could go after Mikey Dixon from Quinnipiac.. Not to mention the fact that at his introductory press conference Chris said if there is a top NY/NJ area kid SJU needs to land him. SJU went after almost every top 20 kid the last 3 years and landed none of them (Ponds was nice but not in the class of those kids I named earlier).
The fact is a solid assistant off of a major program hired as a HC, a lower level HC with some experience hired as HC or even Lavin could have recruited the same or equivalent roster in 4 years. Doesn't mean it can't be good but stop acting like the alternative is UK or Duke. Villanova is not UK or Duke and they can get Brunson, Spellman etc....
Again it is certainly not a bad roster but I see a lot of kids that will need to develop and no real impact freshmen recruits. And I can tell you certain staff members months ago were hyping this incoming class in anticipation of landing kids like Reid, Muhammad etc...that wasn't me that was the staff talking to local scribes...
Same guy who asked for a raise
Same guy who can't do anything else besides recruit. A modern day Vinny Cerrato, he ain't.
But he went to St. John's, so he gets a pass. And a raise
I don't get this idea of "he gets a pass.." From who? He is an assistant he works for and is chosen by the HC. Again much like the argument of hiring an assistant, if you have a problem with the staff than you have a problem with the HC and that who is ultimately the problem.
Matt is supposedly known for his recruiting no? What he gets paid for. Where are the Big East players?
Biggest problem is Mullin. Not an assistant coach, or injuries, or recruiting or bad luck. He doesn’t have any business coaching at this level. He doesn’t need to improve. He needs to leave with some dignity before it gets really ugly.
In addition, he owes the University and the fans a sincere apology for wasting yet another year.
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Benefit of the doubt. Foady- u like stats. I am not looking it up, but from memory we got killed last year. Most of the cult was happy that our coach was paying attention. Look up scoring margins especially the 1st half in big east games. We got absolutely destroyed. Every loss was an absolute beat down. Second halves teams calmed down. Except in the big east- nova dropped 108 points .
How do you give up 108 points in a college basketball game ? How many times did we give 90 points? What team does that?
Plenty of season left. The pro Mullin argument should expect to see improvement. Not benefit of the doubt. Not passes. Not Rome wasn’t built in a day. Not trust the process. Certainly not cupards. This is not CYO . Produce or leave
Season is half over - we still have 5 and 4 star players- jerry wainwright had that? Oliver Purnell lost withguys like that
We play Georgetown And creighton this week- winning both should be possible-
Although I appreciate your rehashing it , I'm aware of what happened last year. And I'm not not so senile that I'm even aware of what happened this year. This year sucked after December. I cannot predict what happens next year, but I hope it's better. I hope they win tomorrow, they've been playing hard, they deserve a win. I hope they win out. That's not likely, but I hope it happens.
What do you hope they do? My spidey sense tells me you hope they lose a bunch of games so you can sat I told you so.
No loser. I just want to win Basketball games. If our coach could turn this around I would be thrilled. I thought he should be replaced last year, but still went to games, still rooted hard. I want a new coach because o don’t think he has done a good job and I don’t believe going forward he will. That is it. No insults. I won’t write things on his Wikipedia page.
My name is anthony who likes basketball. I am not a foad.
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I work and live near Davidson College in NC and occasionally go to games. Not a fan, but just go for the basketball.
Went to the Davidson - St. Bonaventure game tonight.
What stood out to me after reflecting on St. John's all season is the difference in what a well coached basketball team looks like. Bob McKillop has a great program. They play outstanding team ball. Balls moves crisply, looking to find the man with the best look at the basket. There were no noticeable attempts at trying to make ESPN highlight reel, isolation ball etc. Team shot 43% from 3, 93% for FT line etc. Even St. Bonaventure was well coached. Sure some of these guys may be a step to slow or inch to short, but there were a few guys that clearly could cut it in "power conferences.
On another note, for a 5K arena, Davidson's place is really nice, and seat backs throughout are a pleasure. Couple this with a nice student section who was loud out of the gate. Even St. Bonaventure had a strong fan base that seemed 200+ strong and they were loud from the whistle too. I come up to NY for several St. John's games a year and this experience is night and day. About the only thing better is the dance team and the better music.
For me, it's just clear we need to do better in all areas.... coaching, recruiting, fan base, investment in program or just face reality that this program is living 30+ years on the past.
This needs to be put on a billboard right outside of AD Goff's office
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But you know what I think the board might find refreshing after listening to you rip Coach Lavin from the minute he began at St.John’s?
You can admit that you were wrong. Not just a little wrong, but undeniably wrong,
Actually stupid, I didn't rip Lavin from the day he was hired. Quite the contrary. As regular readers of my popular blog will remember, when Lavin was hired I announced that I was moving the day I was lucky enough to marry my delightful bride down from number two to number three on the list of the greatest days of my life. Originally my wedding day was was number one - I mean you have to say that to keep the peace, actually the greatest day of my life involved several bottles of tequila and two young sisters fresh off the bus from Cinco Esquinas but that's not the kind of thing you discuss in polite company - but then I won a national handicapping contest sponsored by the Daily Racing Form by picking the winner of the Breeder's Cup Classic in 2001, so that moved her down to two, and then then day Lavin was hired I told her she'd become number three, that's how happy I was thinking that by hiring an actual basketball coach my beloved Redmen were going to become nationally prominent again. That was before I realized that Lavin was less a basketball coach than a mentally ill snake oil saleman. Not being a completely gullible rube from Scarsdale I moved Mrs Fun back to number two and we've lived happily ever after since then. How's your life life? I'm guessing it involves a lot of self loathing and hand lotion.
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That may be , but I'm undefeated, so I feel pretty good.
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I am looking for honest perspective here and if anyone has intel that would be helpful on this.
Some time ago just post-Lav I brought up Marc Jackson as being good fit with SJU Alum, NBA pedigree and basketball IQ.
Someone mentioned it was not likely because he had bad relationship with school. Could anyone elaborate on this please?
I think personally we really failed by not ponying up enough money then to make the hard feelings go away. He would have been great here and now we are in a position where we cannot spend alot because of Mullins contract as some have said with buyout expenses. Plus I fear that it would be even less attractive to replace Mullin considering their relationship. But still - one wonders what if we went in that direction and overpaid a bit then? Maybe things would have been better.
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I am looking for honest perspective here and if anyone has intel that would be helpful on this.
Some time ago just post-Lav I brought up Marc Jackson as being good fit with SJU Alum, NBA pedigree and basketball IQ.
Someone mentioned it was not likely because he had bad relationship with school. Could anyone elaborate on this please?
I think personally we really failed by not ponying up enough money then to make the hard feelings go away. He would have been great here and now we are in a position where we cannot spend alot because of Mullins contract as some have said with buyout expenses. Plus I fear that it would be even less attractive to replace Mullin considering their relationship. But still - one wonders what if we went in that direction and overpaid a bit then? Maybe things would have been better.
Jackson probably going to be next Knick coach
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We need someone with no ties to program because there has been 0 success by anyone within in 30 years. New culture, new culture
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We need someone with no ties to program because there has been 0 success by anyone within in 30 years. New culture, new culture
No. Stupid thought process.
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Mullin getting fired is not happening. Mark Jackson being hired is not happening.
Re-visit this in a year but for now just hope Chris gets this thing going soon.
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How do u figure? Tell me a guy that has ties to sju program currently across country that is an assistant or a hc that should be considered? If I’m missing someone and is qualified than I stand corrected? What is going on right now should be a strong indication, we need to breathe new life into this doormat of a program.
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Not saying Mullin will be fired this year, nor should he, but like I said earlier, he has one year to put a game plan together for both staff and keeping this place from a revolving door.
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Mullin is a winner. He'll get it done.
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We need someone with no ties to program because there has been 0 success by anyone within in 30 years. New culture, new culture
No. Stupid thought process.
Is it? How so? I think this is what an objective fan would recognize. The University was star struck. This is an athlete not a rocket scientist. Why would anyone in their right mind think Chris Mullin would be a coach we should hire because he can play the sport? The arrogance is beyond anything we’ve seen from at St.John’s coach.
Jarvis was fired because he had enough with entitled “talent” and he had a different plan for recruiting players. But his teams always defended. That was their identity. Opposing coaches knew that about him. Norm had no identity. Lavin had no identity either. What’s Mullin’s identity? It’s year 3. We don’t even know what kind of team we want to have.
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Fire all the assistant coaches. Maybe Dunlap gets fired after another awful year at LMU, hire him. If not, get Carlesimo or anyone with some serious coaching experience. Even Rice. Hire a black coach with some ties to AAU. The current staff needs to be gone, they are lost out there, it's noticeable
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Fire all the assistant coaches. Maybe Dunlap gets fired after another awful year at LMU, hire him. If not, get Carlesimo or anyone with some serious coaching experience. Even Rice. Hire a black coach with some ties to AAU. The current staff needs to be gone, they are lost out there, it's noticeable
If Mullin does clean house, I would expect him to go to who he knows for help. Such as Mario Elie, and the UC Irvine head coach Turner (if he gets fired)
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This name might rile the feathers as a potential assistant, but what's Paul Hewitt up to these days? From the area, was a solid recruiter and had success as a head coach. Would have no clue if he'd be interested in being an assistant at the college level but I have no idea what he's been up to since he got fired from George Mason
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This name might rile the feathers as a potential assistant, but what's Paul Hewitt up to these days? From the area, was a solid recruiter and had success as a head coach. Would have no clue if he'd be interested in being an assistant at the college level but I have no idea what he's been up to since he got fired from George Mason
Sitting on his ass collecting almost $1mm per. When Georgia Tech fired him, they had to buy him out, and he gets paid $7.2mm spread out over 8 seasons, ending after the 2018-2019 season
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Mullin is a winner. He'll get it done.
Yeah he's a real winner 8 wins and 36 losses in the Big East and counting....
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We need someone with no ties to program because there has been 0 success by anyone within in 30 years. New culture, new culture
No. Stupid thought process.
Are you part of the Mullin cult? If not you are aware that exists
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Add a PG and retain all the seniors plus key recruits and we'll be fine next year. I'd make all three seniors captains.
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Add a PG and retain all the seniors plus key recruits and we'll be fine next year. I'd make all three seniors captains.
Agree trust the process
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Add a PG and retain all the seniors plus key recruits and we'll be fine next year. I'd make all three seniors captains.
Agree trust the process
The process didn't include having Mussini go pro and Lovett holding the program hostage. You can ding staff for not recruiting a complete roster for this year but nobody could win with this group. I called it on the summer. "What happens if Ponds sprains an ankle. Does the season just end?"
It was Lovet, but yes it does just end.
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You know the funny thing is when Norm was coaching it took like 4 years for people t turn on him. And the crazy thing about that is outside of Mahoney's two terrible years and the Jarvis being fired / Pittsburgh thing we were always decent. So three terrible years out of all those years and yet people were patient with Norm because he was nice. That is what everyone kept saying he was a good man. That was the defense. So the people trusting Norm's process were used to being decent and still managed to hold off from bitching for four years. Now along comes Chris Mullin to coach a team that has sucked for 19 out of 26 years and people want him fired after 3 years or less for some. You would think some of you would be a little more tolerant of sucking, being as that has mostly been what the program has been.
As for Mullin, next year he has to show something otherwise he will be gone one way or another. For me though since Chris Mullin is the reason I became a fan of a team that has given me a lot of joy really up until the year Jarvis was fired, I am not going to kill him. I just don't see the point. And this would be true if Walter Berry or David Russell were coaching the team. Just seems wrong killing the guy or guys that made you like the thing in the first place. Now I get the young crew not caring about this, but some of you really old guys, guys even way older than me.... it is surprising. But then I guess being old just makes you angry.
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Add a PG and retain all the seniors plus key recruits and we'll be fine next year. I'd make all three seniors captains.
Agree trust the process
The process didn't include having Mussini go pro and Lovett holding the program hostage. You can ding staff for not recruiting a complete roster for this year but nobody could win with this group. I called it on the summer. "What happens if Ponds sprains an ankle. Does the season just end?"
It was Lovet, but yes it does just end.
Not going to argue. But if you think a 6 foot guard with no athleticism and no PG skills would help I disagree. Him being recruited in the first place was a mistake first by Lavin then by Mullin. As was the German .
I don’t follow recuiting as much some of you. All I know is in high profile job you can’t keep making mistakes and keep a job. Huge mistakes and incompetence what this staff is about.
I assume you mean ok is winning 18 games next year and making the NIT. First off that isn’t good enough. Second - and most importantly not going to happen. Can’t win without a coach
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We need someone with no ties to program because there has been 0 success by anyone within in 30 years. New culture, new culture
No. Stupid thought process.
Are you part of the Mullin cult? If not you are aware that exists
No, Mullin may not be able to coach his way out of a paper bag. I'm just advocating another year or two; to give him a chance to finally get a full roster. This year should have been better. We all wanted that and reasonably expected that. However, I don't think this rough year should be the coup de grace that certain posters want.
Some posters want to have Mullin fired because they relish in the chaos, or they have some other agenda. That's unacceptable to me. The posters that incessantly repeat or insinuate over and over are awful for this board, and indirectly for the program. People want to claim this garbage posting doesn't indirectly hurt the program, that it is all harmless trolling - I believe that's hogwash. The incessant posting does hurt the program. There is one poster, he that must remain nameless, starts rumor after rumor. Even if one out of eight are true, they all hurt the program; because for certain, sketching recruiting agents will use this information to influence recruits. It's only logical. So, I want those posters to stop it.
I wish the owner of this website would put a lid on this kind of nonsense. This riot-inciting posting irritates me, so I'm being more aggressive (and frankly wasting my energy), pointing this nonsense out.
Others on this board, are truly are only evaluating performance and want Mullin gone. That's fine. I have no problem with posters reasonably arguing that. I think that's not the best of course action, but we can all argue that through reasonable discourse. Again, I have no problem with reasonable debates.
And yet a third group of fans, are evaluating performance, are not happy with current state of affairs, but believe the best course of action is to be a little more patient. This camp, that I fall in, believe that there have some been some really bad breaks this season. No other coach was going to work a miracle with the current roster, after LoVett and Wilson went AWOL. Yes, should they have had another big on the roster this season? Yes of course. It was a mistake not make that happen somehow.
Also, Mullin started with virtually nothing to work with three seasons ago, so that's why he deserves a longer term of evaluation. Finally, and probably most importantly, the recruiting - the lifeblood of the program - is definitely improving. There is no denying that, based on the players this year and coming in next year.
Essentially the program has been in the toilet for the better part of over twenty years now. So what's the issue with giving Mulling two more years to turn this around? Kicking him out would basically instantly guarantee the program being really bad for another four years or so, because the next coach would have to start over.
Finally, the competitive landscape in college basketball has completely changed. Thirty or forty years ago, big public universities didn't yet realize the power of college sports, for raising academic profiles of schools, and more importantly, for fund raising. They all do now. As a smaller non-football school, that has been pretty bad at basketball for most of the last twenty years, there is very little room for error. I'm not sure it's smart to implode the program yet again.
The St. John's program may never be able to be resurrected, because of all the damage done starting with Mahoney all the way through Lavin. I'm not sure blowing out Mullin, and adding him to that legacy of failing coaches is best course of action. At least give Mullin a full term before he fails. Who knows, maybe with a full roster, it turns around.
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We need someone with no ties to program because there has been 0 success by anyone within in 30 years. New culture, new culture
No. Stupid thought process.
Are you part of the Mullin cult? If not you are aware that exists
No, Mullin may not be able to coach his way out of a paper bag. I'm just advocating another year or two; to give him a chance to finally get a full roster. This year should have been better. We all wanted that and reasonably expected that. However, I don't think this rough year should be the coup de grace that certain posters want.
Some posters want to have Mullin fired because they relish in the chaos, or they have some other agenda. That's unacceptable to me. The posters that incessantly repeat or insinuate over and over are awful for this board, and indirectly for the program. People want to claim this garbage posting doesn't indirectly hurt the program, that it is all harmless trolling - I believe that's hogwash. The incessant posting does hurt the program. The one p post, he that must remain nameless - starts rumor after rumor. Even if one out of eight are true, they all hurt the program; because for certain, sketching recruiting agents will use this information to influence recruits. It's only logical. So, I want those posters to stop it.
I wish the owner of this website would put a lid on this kind of nonsense. This riot-inciting posting irritates me, so I'm being more aggressive (and frankly wasting my energy), pointing this nonsense out.
Others on this board, are truly are only evaluating performance and want Mullin gone. That's fine. I have no problem with posters reasonably arguing that. I think that's not the best of course action, but we can all argue that through reasonable discourse. Again, I have no problem with reasonable debates.
And yet a third group of fans, are evaluating performance, are not happy with current state of affairs, but believe the best course of action is to be a little more patient. This camp, that I fall in, believe that there have some been some really bad breaks this season. No other coach was going to work a miracle with the current roster, after LoVett and Wilson went AWOL. Yes, should they have had another big on the roster this season? Yes of course. It was a mistake not make that happen somehow.
Also, Mullin started with virtually nothing to work with three seasons ago, so that's why he deserves a longer term of evaluation. Finally, and probably most importantly, the recruiting - the lifeblood of the program - is definitely improving. There is no denying that, based on the players this year and coming in next year.
Essentially the program has been in the toilet for the better part of over twenty years now. So what's the issue with giving Mulling two more years to turn this around? Kicking him out would basically instantly guarantee the program being really bad for another four years or so, because the next coach would have to start over.
Finally, the competitive landscape in college basketball has completely changed. Thirty or forty years ago, big public universities didn't yet realize the power of college sports, for raising academic profiles of schools, and more importantly, for fund raising. They all do now. As a smaller non-football school, that has been pretty bad at basketball for most of the last twenty years, there is very little room for error. I'm not sure it's smart to implode the program yet again.
The St. John's program may never be able to be resurrected, because of all the damage done starting with Mahoney all the way through Lavin. I'm not sure blowing out Mullin, and adding him to that legacy of failing coaches is best course of action. At least give Mullin a full term before he fails. Who knows, maybe with a full roster, it turns around.
Good post.
Don't agree with Dave censoring anyone but agree with everything else.
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Add a PG and retain all the seniors plus key recruits and we'll be fine next year. I'd make all three seniors captains.
Agree trust the process
The process didn't include having Mussini go pro and Lovett holding the program hostage. You can ding staff for not recruiting a complete roster for this year but nobody could win with this group. I called it on the summer. "What happens if Ponds sprains an ankle. Does the season just end?"
It was Lovet, but yes it does just end.
Not going to argue. But if you think a 6 foot guard with no athleticism and no PG skills would help I disagree. Him being recruited in the first place was a mistake first by Lavin then by Mullin. As was the German .
I don’t follow recuiting as much some of you. All I know is in high profile job you can’t keep making mistakes and keep a job. Huge mistakes and incompetence what this staff is about.
I assume you mean ok is winning 18 games next year and making the NIT. First off that isn’t good enough. Second - and most importantly not going to happen. Can’t win without a coach
Simple math. Guy was averaging 14 points a game. Other guys like Ahmed and Owens had to try and make up for some of that and are not equipped to. Use whatever revisionist history you want but losing your 2nd best player hurts.
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We need someone with no ties to program because there has been 0 success by anyone within in 30 years. New culture, new culture
No. Stupid thought process.
Are you part of the Mullin cult? If not you are aware that exists
No, Mullin may not be able to coach his way out of a paper bag. I'm just advocating another year or two; to give him a chance to finally get a full roster. This year should have been better. We all wanted that and reasonably expected that. However, I don't think this rough year should be the coup de grace that certain posters want.
Some posters want to have Mullin fired because they relish in the chaos, or they have some other agenda. That's unacceptable to me. The posters that incessantly repeat or insinuate over and over are awful for this board, and indirectly for the program. People want to claim this garbage posting doesn't indirectly hurt the program, that it is all harmless trolling - I believe that's hogwash. The incessant posting does hurt the program. The one p post, he that must remain nameless - starts rumor after rumor. Even if one out of eight are true, they all hurt the program; because for certain, sketching recruiting agents will use this information to influence recruits. It's only logical. So, I want those posters to stop it.
I wish the owner of this website would put a lid on this kind of nonsense. This riot-inciting posting irritates me, so I'm being more aggressive (and frankly wasting my energy), pointing this nonsense out.
Others on this board, are truly are only evaluating performance and want Mullin gone. That's fine. I have no problem with posters reasonably arguing that. I think that's not the best of course action, but we can all argue that through reasonable discourse. Again, I have no problem with reasonable debates.
And yet a third group of fans, are evaluating performance, are not happy with current state of affairs, but believe the best course of action is to be a little more patient. This camp, that I fall in, believe that there have some been some really bad breaks this season. No other coach was going to work a miracle with the current roster, after LoVett and Wilson went AWOL. Yes, should they have had another big on the roster this season? Yes of course. It was a mistake not make that happen somehow.
Also, Mullin started with virtually nothing to work with three seasons ago, so that's why he deserves a longer term of evaluation. Finally, and probably most importantly, the recruiting - the lifeblood of the program - is definitely improving. There is no denying that, based on the players this year and coming in next year.
Essentially the program has been in the toilet for the better part of over twenty years now. So what's the issue with giving Mulling two more years to turn this around? Kicking him out would basically instantly guarantee the program being really bad for another four years or so, because the next coach would have to start over.
Finally, the competitive landscape in college basketball has completely changed. Thirty or forty years ago, big public universities didn't yet realize the power of college sports, for raising academic profiles of schools, and more importantly, for fund raising. They all do now. As a smaller non-football school, that has been pretty bad at basketball for most of the last twenty years, there is very little room for error. I'm not sure it's smart to implode the program yet again.
The St. John's program may never be able to be resurrected, because of all the damage done starting with Mahoney all the way through Lavin. I'm not sure blowing out Mullin, and adding him to that legacy of failing coaches is best course of action. At least give Mullin a full term before he fails. Who knows, maybe with a full roster, it turns around.
Good post.
Don't agree with Dave censoring anyone but agree with everything else.
Damn message boards have destroyed the program.
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You know the funny thing is when Norm was coaching it took like 4 years for people t turn on him. And the crazy thing about that is outside of Mahoney's two terrible years and the Jarvis being fired / Pittsburgh thing we were always decent. So three terrible years out of all those years and yet people were patient with Norm because he was nice. That is what everyone kept saying he was a good man. That was the defense. So the people trusting Norm's process were used to being decent and still managed to hold off from bitching for four years. Now along comes Chris Mullin to coach a team that has sucked for 19 out of 26 years and people want him fired after 3 years or less for some. You would think some of you would be a little more tolerant of sucking, being as that has mostly been what the program has been.
As for Mullin, next year he has to show something otherwise he will be gone one way or another. For me though since Chris Mullin is the reason I became a fan of a team that has given me a lot of joy really up until the year Jarvis was fired, I am not going to kill him. I just don't see the point. And this would be true if Walter Berry or David Russell were coaching the team. Just seems wrong killing the guy or guys that made you like the thing in the first place. Now I get the young crew not caring about this, but some of you really old guys, guys even way older than me.... it is surprising. But then I guess being old just makes you angry.
The funniest thing about the Norm era was the event at the New York Athletic Club. I lived a literal baseball throw away and finished posting negatively about the staff maybe 5 minutes at most before I walked in. I got in the elevator by myself and right before the door completely closed Chris Casey stuck his hand in and opened the doors. The ENTIRE staff walked in...just them and me. They clearly had a few drinks and started joking about meeting certain posters by name. Marillac was one. I wish I could remember the other names, but I was so caught off guard going to my virtual world of hating Norm to seeing a real person so quickly. They were joking about how good the security would be.
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You know the funny thing is when Norm was coaching it took like 4 years for people t turn on him. And the crazy thing about that is outside of Mahoney's two terrible years and the Jarvis being fired / Pittsburgh thing we were always decent. So three terrible years out of all those years and yet people were patient with Norm because he was nice. That is what everyone kept saying he was a good man. That was the defense. So the people trusting Norm's process were used to being decent and still managed to hold off from bitching for four years. Now along comes Chris Mullin to coach a team that has sucked for 19 out of 26 years and people want him fired after 3 years or less for some. You would think some of you would be a little more tolerant of sucking, being as that has mostly been what the program has been.
As for Mullin, next year he has to show something otherwise he will be gone one way or another. For me though since Chris Mullin is the reason I became a fan of a team that has given me a lot of joy really up until the year Jarvis was fired, I am not going to kill him. I just don't see the point. And this would be true if Walter Berry or David Russell were coaching the team. Just seems wrong killing the guy or guys that made you like the thing in the first place. Now I get the young crew not caring about this, but some of you really old guys, guys even way older than me.... it is surprising. But then I guess being old just makes you angry.
The funniest thing about the Norm era was the event at the New York Athletic Club. I lived a literal baseball throw away and finished posting negatively about the staff maybe 5 minutes at most before I walked in. I got in the elevator by myself and right before the door completely closed Chris Casey stuck his hand in and opened the doors. The ENTIRE staff walked in...just them and me. They clearly had a few drinks and started joking about meeting certain posters by name. Marillac was one. I wish I could remember the other names, but I was so caught off guard going to my virtual world of hating Norm to seeing a real person so quickly. They were joking about how good the security would be.
I remember that story way back when you first told it when it happened. That cracked me up. I wish you mentioned way back then who the other posters were. That would have been real funny
Coaches and Admin etc do read the boards. At one of the Presidents Dinners a few years ago as Nathalie and I were leaving and I walked up to Fr Maher and introduced myself since we have the same last name. He said " wait are you mjmaherjr from redmen.com ? " He was really nice guy
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You know the funny thing is when Norm was coaching it took like 4 years for people t turn on him. And the crazy thing about that is outside of Mahoney's two terrible years and the Jarvis being fired / Pittsburgh thing we were always decent. So three terrible years out of all those years and yet people were patient with Norm because he was nice. That is what everyone kept saying he was a good man. That was the defense. So the people trusting Norm's process were used to being decent and still managed to hold off from bitching for four years. Now along comes Chris Mullin to coach a team that has sucked for 19 out of 26 years and people want him fired after 3 years or less for some. You would think some of you would be a little more tolerant of sucking, being as that has mostly been what the program has been.
As for Mullin, next year he has to show something otherwise he will be gone one way or another. For me though since Chris Mullin is the reason I became a fan of a team that has given me a lot of joy really up until the year Jarvis was fired, I am not going to kill him. I just don't see the point. And this would be true if Walter Berry or David Russell were coaching the team. Just seems wrong killing the guy or guys that made you like the thing in the first place. Now I get the young crew not caring about this, but some of you really old guys, guys even way older than me.... it is surprising. But then I guess being old just makes you angry.
The funniest thing about the Norm era was the event at the New York Athletic Club. I lived a literal baseball throw away and finished posting negatively about the staff maybe 5 minutes at most before I walked in. I got in the elevator by myself and right before the door completely closed Chris Casey stuck his hand in and opened the doors. The ENTIRE staff walked in...just them and me. They clearly had a few drinks and started joking about meeting certain posters by name. Marillac was one. I wish I could remember the other names, but I was so caught off guard going to my virtual world of hating Norm to seeing a real person so quickly. They were joking about how good the security would be.
I remember that story way back when you first told it when it happened. That cracked me up. I wish you mentioned way back then who the other posters were. That would have been real funny
Coaches and Admin etc do read the boards. At one of the Presidents Dinners a few years ago as Nathalie and I were leaving and I walked up to Fr Maher and introduced myself since we have the same last name. He said " wait are you mjmaherjr from redmen.com ? " He was really nice guy
Never heard this story before. Good one. Not better than Turasi though
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You know the funny thing is when Norm was coaching it took like 4 years for people t turn on him. And the crazy thing about that is outside of Mahoney's two terrible years and the Jarvis being fired / Pittsburgh thing we were always decent. So three terrible years out of all those years and yet people were patient with Norm because he was nice. That is what everyone kept saying he was a good man. That was the defense. So the people trusting Norm's process were used to being decent and still managed to hold off from bitching for four years. Now along comes Chris Mullin to coach a team that has sucked for 19 out of 26 years and people want him fired after 3 years or less for some. You would think some of you would be a little more tolerant of sucking, being as that has mostly been what the program has been.
As for Mullin, next year he has to show something otherwise he will be gone one way or another. For me though since Chris Mullin is the reason I became a fan of a team that has given me a lot of joy really up until the year Jarvis was fired, I am not going to kill him. I just don't see the point. And this would be true if Walter Berry or David Russell were coaching the team. Just seems wrong killing the guy or guys that made you like the thing in the first place. Now I get the young crew not caring about this, but some of you really old guys, guys even way older than me.... it is surprising. But then I guess being old just makes you angry.
The funniest thing about the Norm era was the event at the New York Athletic Club. I lived a literal baseball throw away and finished posting negatively about the staff maybe 5 minutes at most before I walked in. I got in the elevator by myself and right before the door completely closed Chris Casey stuck his hand in and opened the doors. The ENTIRE staff walked in...just them and me. They clearly had a few drinks and started joking about meeting certain posters by name. Marillac was one. I wish I could remember the other names, but I was so caught off guard going to my virtual world of hating Norm to seeing a real person so quickly. They were joking about how good the security would be.
I remember that story way back when you first told it when it happened. That cracked me up. I wish you mentioned way back then who the other posters were. That would have been real funny
Coaches and Admin etc do read the boards. At one of the Presidents Dinners a few years ago as Nathalie and I were leaving and I walked up to Fr Maher and introduced myself since we have the same last name. He said " wait are you mjmaherjr from redmen.com ? " He was really nice guy
Never heard this story before. Good one. Not better than Turasi though
Turasi will go down as the best story ever. Was that the night at Social when we heard that one ?
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You know the funny thing is when Norm was coaching it took like 4 years for people t turn on him. And the crazy thing about that is outside of Mahoney's two terrible years and the Jarvis being fired / Pittsburgh thing we were always decent. So three terrible years out of all those years and yet people were patient with Norm because he was nice. That is what everyone kept saying he was a good man. That was the defense. So the people trusting Norm's process were used to being decent and still managed to hold off from bitching for four years. Now along comes Chris Mullin to coach a team that has sucked for 19 out of 26 years and people want him fired after 3 years or less for some. You would think some of you would be a little more tolerant of sucking, being as that has mostly been what the program has been.
As for Mullin, next year he has to show something otherwise he will be gone one way or another. For me though since Chris Mullin is the reason I became a fan of a team that has given me a lot of joy really up until the year Jarvis was fired, I am not going to kill him. I just don't see the point. And this would be true if Walter Berry or David Russell were coaching the team. Just seems wrong killing the guy or guys that made you like the thing in the first place. Now I get the young crew not caring about this, but some of you really old guys, guys even way older than me.... it is surprising. But then I guess being old just makes you angry.
The funniest thing about the Norm era was the event at the New York Athletic Club. I lived a literal baseball throw away and finished posting negatively about the staff maybe 5 minutes at most before I walked in. I got in the elevator by myself and right before the door completely closed Chris Casey stuck his hand in and opened the doors. The ENTIRE staff walked in...just them and me. They clearly had a few drinks and started joking about meeting certain posters by name. Marillac was one. I wish I could remember the other names, but I was so caught off guard going to my virtual world of hating Norm to seeing a real person so quickly. They were joking about how good the security would be.
I remember that story way back when you first told it when it happened. That cracked me up. I wish you mentioned way back then who the other posters were. That would have been real funny
Coaches and Admin etc do read the boards. At one of the Presidents Dinners a few years ago as Nathalie and I were leaving and I walked up to Fr Maher and introduced myself since we have the same last name. He said " wait are you mjmaherjr from redmen.com ? " He was really nice guy
Never heard this story before. Good one. Not better than Turasi though
Turasi will go down as the best story ever. Was that the night at Social when we heard that one ?
Yup right before Baldi, Marillac, Carmine and Tha Kid starting doing body shots of each other. WASJU knows when it is time to go home.
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'we are sju',
you are absolutely correct, censoring posters is not the way to go - i totally agree with you.
I just don't get how certain nonsense is allowed to be posted over and over.
reasonable discourse is fine about any topic is debated, whether positive or negative.
Making up rumors, and repeating the same negative things over shouldn't be.
So i guess the answer is other posters just have to continue to call out the baloney.
But you are right, my censoring comment was me ranting.
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Damn message boards have destroyed the program.
No, but your wretched posts waste everyone else's energy and time.
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Damn message boards have destroyed the program.
No, but your wretched posts waste everyone else's energy. Get lost.
Baldi is Baldi.
The "true fans" that want every coach fired every two years are more annoying.
Hey and I get complaining. There is a lot to complain about. And I have taken Mullin shots, he left himself open for them. I just don't get the he is the worst, he needs to be fired posts everyday.
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There are posters that are not happy. You can tell Paultz, Maher, Masejr just to name a few are getting frustrated with the process. But they still root for the team and don't constantly push the same agenda every post.
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The only way you bring this staff back for another year is if you think they can do well and compete. I can not see how anyone in their right mind believes that. Nothing they have done has warranted another year. The longer this experiment goes on. The more embarrassing it becomes.
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The only way you bring this staff back for another year is if you think they can do well and compete. I can not see how anyone in their right mind believes that. Nothing they have done has warranted another year. The longer this experiment goes on. The more embarrassing it becomes.
Do you have that on auto type?
Starting to act like Jack Torrence at the Overlook Hotel.
"All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy"
You know things didn't go so well for poor Jack.
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just slide the assistants down one seat on the bench with Ritchmond backt to special assistant, STJ as 3rd assistant, and make room for Mike Rice as # 1 assistant....doubt it will happen that way, but something needs to happen at season end.
Really wonder who Mullin may currently be tapping into for advice, inputs etc. other than Louie for moral support.. Who might be in his sphere of possible coaches he'd welcome on a staff ?
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Add a PG and retain all the seniors plus key recruits and we'll be fine next year. I'd make all three seniors captains.
Agree trust the process
The process didn't include having Mussini go pro and Lovett holding the program hostage. You can ding staff for not recruiting a complete roster for this year but nobody could win with this group. I called it on the summer. "What happens if Ponds sprains an ankle. Does the season just end?"
It was Lovet, but yes it does just end.
Not going to argue. But if you think a 6 foot guard with no athleticism and no PG skills would help I disagree. Him being recruited in the first place was a mistake first by Lavin then by Mullin. As was the German .
I don’t follow recuiting as much some of you. All I know is in high profile job you can’t keep making mistakes and keep a job. Huge mistakes and incompetence what this staff is about.
I assume you mean ok is winning 18 games next year and making the NIT. First off that isn’t good enough. Second - and most importantly not going to happen. Can’t win without a coach
Simple math. Guy was averaging 14 points a game. Other guys like Ahmed and Owens had to try and make up for some of that and are not equipped to. Use whatever revisionist history you want but losing your 2nd best player hurts.
Especially when we have no bench. I agree posters are entitled to their opinion. But some just repeat themselves over and over again. It gets boring. This may be the most frustrating year for me as a fan. And that’s saying a lot. We were so close in so many games, even against great teams like Nova and Xavier on the road. We gave away the GT game. I think you have to give Mullin another year. But what really worries me is we have to retain Ponds and Owens and we need Brooks, a true inside player. We also need to upgrade staff. .. It wasn’t just the Lovett loss that hurt, but the mass exodus of players last year. Another year of Exodus and all is lost.
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The only way you bring this staff back for another year is if you think they can do well and compete. I can not see how anyone in their right mind believes that. Nothing they have done has warranted another year. The longer this experiment goes on. The more embarrassing it becomes.
Just a thought but you know many on here wanted Lavin gone after years 2-4. He came in with a shoddy reputation but did a really good job with Norm's seniors. But outside of the Cancer year most of his problems were self inflicted. Now I did not think Lavin was a good coach and the silly nicknames, self promoting and camera coaching were annoying but I though if he had a good year his last season he would have done enough to warrant. So I was all for him being retained. Posted as much. He is gone now and Mullin is here until he isn't. Criticize all you want but if you keep posting the same thing over and over you will drive yourself and others crazy. Just look what happened to Jack Torrence.
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Add a PG and retain all the seniors plus key recruits and we'll be fine next year. I'd make all three seniors captains.
Agree trust the process
The process didn't include having Mussini go pro and Lovett holding the program hostage. You can ding staff for not recruiting a complete roster for this year but nobody could win with this group. I called it on the summer. "What happens if Ponds sprains an ankle. Does the season just end?"
It was Lovet, but yes it does just end.
Not going to argue. But if you think a 6 foot guard with no athleticism and no PG skills would help I disagree. Him being recruited in the first place was a mistake first by Lavin then by Mullin. As was the German .
I don’t follow recuiting as much some of you. All I know is in high profile job you can’t keep making mistakes and keep a job. Huge mistakes and incompetence what this staff is about.
I assume you mean ok is winning 18 games next year and making the NIT. First off that isn’t good enough. Second - and most importantly not going to happen. Can’t win without a coach
Simple math. Guy was averaging 14 points a game. Other guys like Ahmed and Owens had to try and make up for some of that and are not equipped to. Use whatever revisionist history you want but losing your 2nd best player hurts.
Especially when we have no bench. I agree posters are entitled to their opinion. But some just repeat themselves over and over again. It gets boring. This may be the most frustrating year for me as a fan. And that’s saying a lot. We were so close in so many games, even against great teams like Nova and Xavier on the road. We gave away the GT game. I think you have to give Mullin another year. But what really worries me is we have to retain Ponds and Owens and we need Brooks, a true inside player.. It wasn’t just the Lovett loss that hurt, but the mass exodus of players last year. Another year of Exodus and all is lost.
If Ponds leaves might as well fire Mullin because we would have no shot next year. Keeping Mullin goes hand in hand with assuming his best player is staying. No Ponds might as well start the rebuild again.
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I don’t know if I have the stomach to sit through another rebuild.
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Aside from President Gempeshaw, which board makes the decision on coaching ?
Board of Trustees https://www.stjohns.edu/about/leadership/board-trustees
or
Board of Governors https://www.stjohns.edu/about/leadership/board-governors
What's the difference ?
PS - Never realized Tarik Turner was on Board of Trustees so assuming that group is one that helps decide hiring/firing for BB coach etc.
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Add a PG and retain all the seniors plus key recruits and we'll be fine next year. I'd make all three seniors captains.
Agree trust the process
The process didn't include having Mussini go pro and Lovett holding the program hostage. You can ding staff for not recruiting a complete roster for this year but nobody could win with this group. I called it on the summer. "What happens if Ponds sprains an ankle. Does the season just end?"
It was Lovet, but yes it does just end.
Not going to argue. But if you think a 6 foot guard with no athleticism and no PG skills would help I disagree. Him being recruited in the first place was a mistake first by Lavin then by Mullin. As was the German .
I don’t follow recuiting as much some of you. All I know is in high profile job you can’t keep making mistakes and keep a job. Huge mistakes and incompetence what this staff is about.
I assume you mean ok is winning 18 games next year and making the NIT. First off that isn’t good enough. Second - and most importantly not going to happen. Can’t win without a coach
Simple math. Guy was averaging 14 points a game. Other guys like Ahmed and Owens had to try and make up for some of that and are not equipped to. Use whatever revisionist history you want but losing your 2nd best player hurts.
Especially when we have no bench. I agree posters are entitled to their opinion. But some just repeat themselves over and over again. It gets boring. This may be the most frustrating year for me as a fan. And that’s saying a lot. We were so close in so many games, even against great teams like Nova and Xavier on the road. We gave away the GT game. I think you have to give Mullin another year. But what really worries me is we have to retain Ponds and Owens and we need Brooks, a true inside player.. It wasn’t just the Lovett loss that hurt, but the mass exodus of players last year. Another year of Exodus and all is lost.
If Ponds leaves might as well fire Mullin because we would have no shot next year. Keeping Mullin goes hand in hand with assuming his best player is staying. No Ponds might as well start the rebuild again.
One player shouldn’t determine this decision. The decision should be made based on the team’s collective improvement. In December, it certainly appeared like things were moving in the right direction.
We don’t have an identity on defense. We don’t run an offense. We don’t box out. We don’t even make free throws now.
Next year should everyone return sans LoVett, I see a 15 win season. We’ll win some of the close game we’ve lost this year because we don’t have a BE front court but Ron Artest ain’t walking through that door. 6 new players next year. The best of best which is a freshman PF. Big men take time. What can we really expect Brooks to give us (if he still comes here) as a freshman? I’d go with 5 and 4.5 and maybe a block per game. The NIT will be a reach in 18/19 without a change.
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I don’t know if I have the stomach to sit through another rebuild.
What are you going to go through that’s worse than being winless?
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Why should it be presumed that we will have to go through an entire rebuild? Before I get crushed with “because that’s what always happens here” this team is balanced for the next 5-6 years which is completely different than any other coach in last 15 years.
If Mullin does not succeed, which I don’t believe he will, the next hire will have more players to start with, which is what normally happens in cbb. Will there be defections and recruits not coming, of course but at least that coach will have a base to work with, and hopefully is a competent coach, currently somewhere with experience.
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I don’t know if I have the stomach to sit through another rebuild.
What are you going to go through that’s worse than being winless?
Makes perfect sense.
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Why should it be presumed that we will have to go through an entire rebuild? Before I get crushed with “because that’s what always happens here” this team is balanced for the next 5-6 years which is completely different than any other coach in last 15 years.
If Mullin does not succeed, which I don’t believe he will, the next hire will have more players to start with, which is what normally happens in cbb. Will there be defections and recruits not coming, of course but at least that coach will have a base to work with, and hopefully is a competent coach, currently somewhere with experience.
Yes if Mo were to leave after this year or probably even next year he would be leaving the program in much better shape then when he came in. The next coach would have the opportunity to convince remaining players tot stay and recruits to remain committed. When Mahoney left FF was able to keep all 5 recruits on board. Of course Mully still has a chance to resurrect the program if he keeps most of and the impt pieces to stay and the incoming recruits intact and someone on whatever the staff looks like next year can coach.
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I don’t know if I have the stomach to sit through another rebuild.
What are you going to go through that’s worse than being winless?
Don’t have the stomach for this year either.
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The only way you bring this staff back for another year is if you think they can do well and compete. I can not see how anyone in their right mind believes that. Nothing they have done has warranted another year. The longer this experiment goes on. The more embarrassing it becomes.
Playing devils advocate here and keep in mind I'm one of the unhappy ones. BUT would you say last year was on ok year ? Not great year and not horrible year ?
So while not throwing out this year from our memory but if we have a chance of having fuller and potentially better and more experienced roster next year and let's assume chance Mullin learns from mistakes of this year and grows from it dont we at least give the homegrown Hall of fame player the chance to coach that 4th year with full team and see what happens after all we have been through as fans over the last 20 years ?
What IF next year everyone came back and it became that breakthrough year ( I'm not saying it will be but what if there was a chance ) and if we hit our stride next year and we have a home grown Hall of Fame player coaching our team
I'll take the chance on that 4th year instead of blowing everything up and starting over knowing we have well over 3 million a year already committed for 3 more years and pray he gets it right
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The only way you bring this staff back for another year is if you think they can do well and compete. I can not see how anyone in their right mind believes that. Nothing they have done has warranted another year. The longer this experiment goes on. The more embarrassing it becomes.
Playing devils advocate here and keep in mind I'm one of the unhappy ones. BUT would you say last year was on ok year ? Not great year and not horrible year ?
So while not throwing out this year from our memory but if we have a chance of having fuller and potentially better and more experienced roster next year and let's assume chance Mullin learns from mistakes of this year and grows from it dont we at least give the homegrown Hall of fame player the chance to coach that 4th year with full team and see what happens after all we have been through as fans over the last 20 years ?
What IF next year everyone came back and it became that breakthrough year ( I'm not saying it will be but what if there was a chance ) and if we hit our stride next year and we have a home grown Hall of Fame player coaching our team
I'll take the chance on that 4th year instead of blowing everything up and starting over knowing we have well over 3 million a year already committed for 3 more years and pray he gets it right
More than reasonable.
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The only way you bring this staff back for another year is if you think they can do well and compete. I can not see how anyone in their right mind believes that. Nothing they have done has warranted another year. The longer this experiment goes on. The more embarrassing it becomes.
Playing devils advocate here and keep in mind I'm one of the unhappy ones. BUT would you say last year was on ok year ? Not great year and not horrible year ?
So while not throwing out this year from our memory but if we have a chance of having fuller and potentially better and more experienced roster next year and let's assume chance Mullin learns from mistakes of this year and grows from it dont we at least give the homegrown Hall of fame player the chance to coach that 4th year with full team and see what happens after all we have been through as fans over the last 20 years ?
What IF next year everyone came back and it became that breakthrough year ( I'm not saying it will be but what if there was a chance ) and if we hit our stride next year and we have a home grown Hall of Fame player coaching our team
I'll take the chance on that 4th year instead of blowing everything up and starting over knowing we have well over 3 million a year already committed for 3 more years and pray he gets it right
The big IF, is everyone comes back, which has not happened yet. He’s going to get another year, but I’m going to wait to see what happens this offseason, because based on Mullins in season results, it’s the only positive action he had had.
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One player shouldn’t determine this decision.
What makes you think anyone's making a decision? Unless by decision you mean the fever dreams of the perpetually disgruntled.
Even if anyone were considering making a coaching change, and no one is, do you think the university can afford Slice's contract and Mullin's buy out and the cost of a new coach and the loss of revenue from big donors who are willing to support their childhood idol Chris Mullin but not the great Will Brown? I Don't. I think though they can absorb the loss of concession stand revenue from 11 people who won't renew their season tickets next year to protest this year's results.
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The only way you bring this staff back for another year is if you think they can do well and compete. I can not see how anyone in their right mind believes that. Nothing they have done has warranted another year. The longer this experiment goes on. The more embarrassing it becomes.
Playing devils advocate here and keep in mind I'm one of the unhappy ones. BUT would you say last year was on ok year ? Not great year and not horrible year ?
So while not throwing out this year from our memory but if we have a chance of having fuller and potentially better and more experienced roster next year and let's assume chance Mullin learns from mistakes of this year and grows from it dont we at least give the homegrown Hall of fame player the chance to coach that 4th year with full team and see what happens after all we have been through as fans over the last 20 years ?
What IF next year everyone came back and it became that breakthrough year ( I'm not saying it will be but what if there was a chance ) and if we hit our stride next year and we have a home grown Hall of Fame player coaching our team
I'll take the chance on that 4th year instead of blowing everything up and starting over knowing we have well over 3 million a year already committed for 3 more years and pray he gets it right
The big IF, is everyone comes back, which has not happened yet. He’s going to get another year, but I’m going to wait to see what happens this offseason, because based on Mullins in season results, it’s the only positive action he had had.
It’s going to get worse this year. I don’t believe we ever see that team we have right now on paper. Best case he quits.
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The only way you bring this staff back for another year is if you think they can do well and compete. I can not see how anyone in their right mind believes that. Nothing they have done has warranted another year. The longer this experiment goes on. The more embarrassing it becomes.
Playing devils advocate here and keep in mind I'm one of the unhappy ones. BUT would you say last year was on ok year ? Not great year and not horrible year ?
So while not throwing out this year from our memory but if we have a chance of having fuller and potentially better and more experienced roster next year and let's assume chance Mullin learns from mistakes of this year and grows from it dont we at least give the homegrown Hall of fame player the chance to coach that 4th year with full team and see what happens after all we have been through as fans over the last 20 years ?
What IF next year everyone came back and it became that breakthrough year ( I'm not saying it will be but what if there was a chance ) and if we hit our stride next year and we have a home grown Hall of Fame player coaching our team
I'll take the chance on that 4th year instead of blowing everything up and starting over knowing we have well over 3 million a year already committed for 3 more years and pray he gets it right
The big IF, is everyone comes back, which has not happened yet. He’s going to get another year, but I’m going to wait to see what happens this offseason, because based on Mullins in season results, it’s the only positive action he had had.
It’s going to get worse this year. I don’t believe we ever see that team we have right now on paper. Best case he quits.
Don't be such a pessimist. Maybe he'll get prostate cancer.
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Add a PG and retain all the seniors plus key recruits and we'll be fine next year. I'd make all three seniors captains.
Agree trust the process
The process didn't include having Mussini go pro and Lovett holding the program hostage. You can ding staff for not recruiting a complete roster for this year but nobody could win with this group. I called it on the summer. "What happens if Ponds sprains an ankle. Does the season just end?"
It was Lovet, but yes it does just end.
Not going to argue. But if you think a 6 foot guard with no athleticism and no PG skills would help I disagree. Him being recruited in the first place was a mistake first by Lavin then by Mullin. As was the German .
I don’t follow recuiting as much some of you. All I know is in high profile job you can’t keep making mistakes and keep a job. Huge mistakes and incompetence what this staff is about.
I assume you mean ok is winning 18 games next year and making the NIT. First off that isn’t good enough. Second - and most importantly not going to happen. Can’t win without a coach
Simple math. Guy was averaging 14 points a game. Other guys like Ahmed and Owens had to try and make up for some of that and are not equipped to. Use whatever revisionist history you want but losing your 2nd best player hurts.
Especially when we have no bench. I agree posters are entitled to their opinion. But some just repeat themselves over and over again. It gets boring. This may be the most frustrating year for me as a fan. And that’s saying a lot. We were so close in so many games, even against great teams like Nova and Xavier on the road. We gave away the GT game. I think you have to give Mullin another year. But what really worries me is we have to retain Ponds and Owens and we need Brooks, a true inside player. We also need to upgrade staff. .. It wasn’t just the Lovett loss that hurt, but the mass exodus of players last year. Another year of Exodus and all is lost.
Brooks is not a true inside player. Reminds me of Kelan Martin.
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One player shouldn’t determine this decision.
What makes you think anyone's making a decision? Unless by decision you mean the fever dreams of the perpetually disgruntled.
Even if anyone were considering making a coaching change, and no one is, do you think the university can afford Slice's contract and Mullin's buy out and the cost of a new coach and the loss of revenue from big donors who are willing to support their childhood idol Chris Mullin but not the great Will Brown? I Don't. I think though they can absorb the loss of concession stand revenue from 11 people who won't renew their season tickets next year to protest this year's results.
Hey foady,
Figured you were going to concede or banish yourself. 8- almost 40
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The only way you bring this staff back for another year is if you think they can do well and compete. I can not see how anyone in their right mind believes that. Nothing they have done has warranted another year. The longer this experiment goes on. The more embarrassing it becomes.
Playing devils advocate here and keep in mind I'm one of the unhappy ones. BUT would you say last year was on ok year ? Not great year and not horrible year ?
So while not throwing out this year from our memory but if we have a chance of having fuller and potentially better and more experienced roster next year and let's assume chance Mullin learns from mistakes of this year and grows from it dont we at least give the homegrown Hall of fame player the chance to coach that 4th year with full team and see what happens after all we have been through as fans over the last 20 years ?
What IF next year everyone came back and it became that breakthrough year ( I'm not saying it will be but what if there was a chance ) and if we hit our stride next year and we have a home grown Hall of Fame player coaching our team
I'll take the chance on that 4th year instead of blowing everything up and starting over knowing we have well over 3 million a year already committed for 3 more years and pray he gets it right
The big IF, is everyone comes back, which has not happened yet. He’s going to get another year, but I’m going to wait to see what happens this offseason, because based on Mullins in season results, it’s the only positive action he had had.
It’s going to get worse this year. I don’t believe we ever see that team we have right now on paper. Best case he quits.
Do you think he should quit? Man I never would have guessed that.
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The only way you bring this staff back for another year is if you think they can do well and compete. I can not see how anyone in their right mind believes that. Nothing they have done has warranted another year. The longer this experiment goes on. The more embarrassing it becomes.
Playing devils advocate here and keep in mind I'm one of the unhappy ones. BUT would you say last year was on ok year ? Not great year and not horrible year ?
So while not throwing out this year from our memory but if we have a chance of having fuller and potentially better and more experienced roster next year and let's assume chance Mullin learns from mistakes of this year and grows from it dont we at least give the homegrown Hall of fame player the chance to coach that 4th year with full team and see what happens after all we have been through as fans over the last 20 years ?
What IF next year everyone came back and it became that breakthrough year ( I'm not saying it will be but what if there was a chance ) and if we hit our stride next year and we have a home grown Hall of Fame player coaching our team
I'll take the chance on that 4th year instead of blowing everything up and starting over knowing we have well over 3 million a year already committed for 3 more years and pray he gets it right
The big IF, is everyone comes back, which has not happened yet. He’s going to get another year, but I’m going to wait to see what happens this offseason, because based on Mullins in season results, it’s the only positive action he had had.
It’s going to get worse this year. I don’t believe we ever see that team we have right now on paper. Best case he quits.
Do you think he should quit? Man I never would have guessed that.
If he quits maybe the hire dick Vitale? He is probably 80. What do you think?
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One player shouldn’t determine this decision.
What makes you think anyone's making a decision? Unless by decision you mean the fever dreams of the perpetually disgruntled.
Even if anyone were considering making a coaching change, and no one is, do you think the university can afford Slice's contract and Mullin's buy out and the cost of a new coach and the loss of revenue from big donors who are willing to support their childhood idol Chris Mullin but not the great Will Brown? I Don't. I think though they can absorb the loss of concession stand revenue from 11 people who won't renew their season tickets next year to protest this year's results.
Hey foady,
Figured you were going to concede or banish yourself. 8- almost 40
Concede what stupid, I've suffered through much worse than this. The fact that you're gloating after watching those poor kids lose the way they did yesterday comprises Olympic gold medal faaggottry. Maybe if you didn't post so much from the toilet less of your output would be shit posts. Just a thought.
<Take that auto censor>
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At this point, I am not even concerned about wins and loses. Whether he wins, 0 games or 2, won’t matter one bit because at best it will be Depaul and possibly on sr day.. Right now Mullin has his team playing hard and that’s a plus. If kids quit on him, that’s when as a fan I will question who comes back next year.
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One player shouldn’t determine this decision.
What makes you think anyone's making a decision? Unless by decision you mean the fever dreams of the perpetually disgruntled.
Even if anyone were considering making a coaching change, and no one is, do you think the university can afford Slice's contract and Mullin's buy out and the cost of a new coach and the loss of revenue from big donors who are willing to support their childhood idol Chris Mullin but not the great Will Brown? I Don't. I think though they can absorb the loss of concession stand revenue from 11 people who won't renew their season tickets next year to protest this year's results.
Hey foady,
Figured you were going to concede or banish yourself. 8- almost 40
Concede what stupid, I've suffered through much worse than this. The fact that you're gloating after watching those poor kids lose the way they did yesterday comprises Olympic gold medal faaggottry. Maybe if you didn't post so much from the toilet less of your output would be shit posts. Just a thought.
<Take that auto censor>
Foad: I was wrong. Dead wrong.
Give it a try smart guy. Practice it. Seriously.
Then, repeat after me... I’m sorry Mr.Lavin. I never liked you. I had no right to insult you while you were recovering from cancer, and after your father died. I’m a POS. That’s my excuse. It’s not a good one, but it’s why I say what I do. Maybe you weren’t the perennial tournament coach you were at UCLA but you made us relevant again.
And you showed that having a passion for your job combined with understanding your strengths and weaknesses will lead to positive results.
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The only way you bring this staff back for another year is if you think they can do well and compete. I can not see how anyone in their right mind believes that. Nothing they have done has warranted another year. The longer this experiment goes on. The more embarrassing it becomes.
Playing devils advocate here and keep in mind I'm one of the unhappy ones. BUT would you say last year was on ok year ? Not great year and not horrible year ?
So while not throwing out this year from our memory but if we have a chance of having fuller and potentially better and more experienced roster next year and let's assume chance Mullin learns from mistakes of this year and grows from it dont we at least give the homegrown Hall of fame player the chance to coach that 4th year with full team and see what happens after all we have been through as fans over the last 20 years ?
What IF next year everyone came back and it became that breakthrough year ( I'm not saying it will be but what if there was a chance ) and if we hit our stride next year and we have a home grown Hall of Fame player coaching our team
I'll take the chance on that 4th year instead of blowing everything up and starting over knowing we have well over 3 million a year already committed for 3 more years and pray he gets it right
The big IF, is everyone comes back, which has not happened yet. He’s going to get another year, but I’m going to wait to see what happens this offseason, because based on Mullins in season results, it’s the only positive action he had had.
It’s going to get worse this year. I don’t believe we ever see that team we have right now on paper. Best case he quits.
Do you think he should quit? Man I never would have guessed that.
If he quits maybe the hire dick Vitale? He is probably 80. What do you think?
At least is was something different. At this point anything would be better. Like maybe post what you had for lunch. I am guessing sloppy joe's.
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One player shouldn’t determine this decision.
What makes you think anyone's making a decision? Unless by decision you mean the fever dreams of the perpetually disgruntled.
Even if anyone were considering making a coaching change, and no one is, do you think the university can afford Slice's contract and Mullin's buy out and the cost of a new coach and the loss of revenue from big donors who are willing to support their childhood idol Chris Mullin but not the great Will Brown? I Don't. I think though they can absorb the loss of concession stand revenue from 11 people who won't renew their season tickets next year to protest this year's results.
Hey foady,
Figured you were going to concede or banish yourself. 8- almost 40
Concede what stupid, I've suffered through much worse than this. The fact that you're gloating after watching those poor kids lose the way they did yesterday comprises Olympic gold medal faaggottry. Maybe if you didn't post so much from the toilet less of your output would be shit posts. Just a thought.
<Take that auto censor>
Foad: I was wrong. Dead wrong.
Give it a try smart guy. Practice it. Seriously.
Then, repeat after me... I’m sorry Mr.Lavin. I never liked you. I had no right to insult you while you were recovering from cancer, and after your father died. I’m a POS. That’s my excuse. It’s not a good one, but it’s why I say what I do. Maybe you weren’t the perennial tournament coach you were at UCLA but you made us relevant again.
And you showed that having a passion for your job combined with understanding your strengths and weaknesses will lead to positive results.
Here's my take. Steve Lavin sucked at coaching and was mentally ill, suffering as he did from histrionic personalty disorder. I don't feel bad about anything I said about him because I have a life and am not a complete loser from Scarsadale. Also, suck my dick stupid.
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One player shouldn’t determine this decision.
What makes you think anyone's making a decision? Unless by decision you mean the fever dreams of the perpetually disgruntled.
Even if anyone were considering making a coaching change, and no one is, do you think the university can afford Slice's contract and Mullin's buy out and the cost of a new coach and the loss of revenue from big donors who are willing to support their childhood idol Chris Mullin but not the great Will Brown? I Don't. I think though they can absorb the loss of concession stand revenue from 11 people who won't renew their season tickets next year to protest this year's results.
Hey foady,
Figured you were going to concede or banish yourself. 8- almost 40
Concede what stupid, I've suffered through much worse than this. The fact that you're gloating after watching those poor kids lose the way they did yesterday comprises Olympic gold medal faaggottry. Maybe if you didn't post so much from the toilet less of your output would be shit posts. Just a thought.
<Take that auto censor>
Foad: I was wrong. Dead wrong.
Give it a try smart guy. Practice it. Seriously.
Then, repeat after me... I’m sorry Mr.Lavin. I never liked you. I had no right to insult you while you were recovering from cancer, and after your father died. I’m a POS. That’s my excuse. It’s not a good one, but it’s why I say what I do. Maybe you weren’t the perennial tournament coach you were at UCLA but you made us relevant again.
And you showed that having a passion for your job combined with understanding your strengths and weaknesses will lead to positive results.
Here's my take. Steve Lavin sucked at coaching and was mentally ill, suffering as he did from histrionic personalty disorder. I don't feel bad about anything I said about him because I have a life and am not a complete loser from Scarsadale. Also, suck my dick stupid.
A couple thoughts on the above: Lavin was a terrible human being and probably mentally ill. No one criticized him for recovering from cancer, in fact he was bludgeoned for the opposite - telling us he was recovering when at the same time he was watching his own team play from a luxury suite, entertaining reporters on Saturday nights in Tribeca, and crisscrossing the country on fruitless recruit trips while his team was playing meaningful games.
Discussing replacements for Mullin is as nonsensical as advocating a change to the American flag. It's not going anywhere. Save your breath.
Scarsdale is pretty nice from what I hear.
Fun is the Omar Little of these boards. Everybody else runs around fighting with pea shooters, he carries a shotgun. And he makes too many dick comments to ignore
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One player shouldn’t determine this decision.
What makes you think anyone's making a decision? Unless by decision you mean the fever dreams of the perpetually disgruntled.
Even if anyone were considering making a coaching change, and no one is, do you think the university can afford Slice's contract and Mullin's buy out and the cost of a new coach and the loss of revenue from big donors who are willing to support their childhood idol Chris Mullin but not the great Will Brown? I Don't. I think though they can absorb the loss of concession stand revenue from 11 people who won't renew their season tickets next year to protest this year's results.
Hey foady,
Figured you were going to concede or banish yourself. 8- almost 40
Concede what stupid, I've suffered through much worse than this. The fact that you're gloating after watching those poor kids lose the way they did yesterday comprises Olympic gold medal faaggottry. Maybe if you didn't post so much from the toilet less of your output would be shit posts. Just a thought.
<Take that auto censor>
Foad: I was wrong. Dead wrong.
Give it a try smart guy. Practice it. Seriously.
Then, repeat after me... I’m sorry Mr.Lavin. I never liked you. I had no right to insult you while you were recovering from cancer, and after your father died. I’m a POS. That’s my excuse. It’s not a good one, but it’s why I say what I do. Maybe you weren’t the perennial tournament coach you were at UCLA but you made us relevant again.
And you showed that having a passion for your job combined with understanding your strengths and weaknesses will lead to positive results.
Here's my take. Steve Lavin sucked at coaching and was mentally ill, suffering as he did from histrionic personalty disorder. I don't feel bad about anything I said about him because I have a life and am not a complete loser from Scarsadale. Also, suck my dick stupid.
Since you like to suck so much, suck on this...
Lavin sucks compared to Carnesecca. Mullin sucks compared to Lavin.
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One player shouldn’t determine this decision.
What makes you think anyone's making a decision? Unless by decision you mean the fever dreams of the perpetually disgruntled.
Even if anyone were considering making a coaching change, and no one is, do you think the university can afford Slice's contract and Mullin's buy out and the cost of a new coach and the loss of revenue from big donors who are willing to support their childhood idol Chris Mullin but not the great Will Brown? I Don't. I think though they can absorb the loss of concession stand revenue from 11 people who won't renew their season tickets next year to protest this year's results.
Hey foady,
Figured you were going to concede or banish yourself. 8- almost 40
Concede what stupid, I've suffered through much worse than this. The fact that you're gloating after watching those poor kids lose the way they did yesterday comprises Olympic gold medal faaggottry. Maybe if you didn't post so much from the toilet less of your output would be shit posts. Just a thought.
<Take that auto censor>
Foad: I was wrong. Dead wrong.
Give it a try smart guy. Practice it. Seriously.
Then, repeat after me... I’m sorry Mr.Lavin. I never liked you. I had no right to insult you while you were recovering from cancer, and after your father died. I’m a POS. That’s my excuse. It’s not a good one, but it’s why I say what I do. Maybe you weren’t the perennial tournament coach you were at UCLA but you made us relevant again.
And you showed that having a passion for your job combined with understanding your strengths and weaknesses will lead to positive results.
Here's my take. Steve Lavin sucked at coaching and was mentally ill, suffering as he did from histrionic personalty disorder. I don't feel bad about anything I said about him because I have a life and am not a complete loser from Scarsadale. Also, suck my dick stupid.
A couple thoughts on the above: Lavin was a terrible human being and probably mentally ill. No one criticized him for recovering from cancer, in fact he was bludgeoned for the opposite - telling us he was recovering when at the same time he was watching his own team play from a luxury suite, entertaining reporters on Saturday nights in Tribeca, and crisscrossing the country on fruitless recruit trips while his team was playing meaningful games.
Discussing replacements for Mullin is as nonsensical as advocating a change to the American flag. It's not going anywhere. Save your breath.
Scarsdale is pretty nice from what I hear.
Fun is the Omar Little of these boards. Everybody else runs around fighting with pea shooters, he carries a shotgun. And he makes too many dick comments to ignore
Maybe St.John’s has the coach they truly deserve.
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One player shouldn’t determine this decision.
What makes you think anyone's making a decision? Unless by decision you mean the fever dreams of the perpetually disgruntled.
Even if anyone were considering making a coaching change, and no one is, do you think the university can afford Slice's contract and Mullin's buy out and the cost of a new coach and the loss of revenue from big donors who are willing to support their childhood idol Chris Mullin but not the great Will Brown? I Don't. I think though they can absorb the loss of concession stand revenue from 11 people who won't renew their season tickets next year to protest this year's results.
Hey foady,
Figured you were going to concede or banish yourself. 8- almost 40
Concede what stupid, I've suffered through much worse than this. The fact that you're gloating after watching those poor kids lose the way they did yesterday comprises Olympic gold medal faaggottry. Maybe if you didn't post so much from the toilet less of your output would be shit posts. Just a thought.
<Take that auto censor>
Foad: I was wrong. Dead wrong.
Give it a try smart guy. Practice it. Seriously.
Then, repeat after me... I’m sorry Mr.Lavin. I never liked you. I had no right to insult you while you were recovering from cancer, and after your father died. I’m a POS. That’s my excuse. It’s not a good one, but it’s why I say what I do. Maybe you weren’t the perennial tournament coach you were at UCLA but you made us relevant again.
And you showed that having a passion for your job combined with understanding your strengths and weaknesses will lead to positive results.
Here's my take. Steve Lavin sucked at coaching and was mentally ill, suffering as he did from histrionic personalty disorder. I don't feel bad about anything I said about him because I have a life and am not a complete loser from Scarsadale. Also, suck my dick stupid.
Since you like to suck so much, suck on this...
Lavin sucks compared to Carnesecca. Mullin sucks compared to Lavin.
Besides, Fun sounds like the way he describes Lavin. If you noticed, his bitch ass projects his personality on Lavin. Effin' degenerate punk!
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When is the next Johnny Jungle get together?
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One player shouldn’t determine this decision.
What makes you think anyone's making a decision? Unless by decision you mean the fever dreams of the perpetually disgruntled.
Even if anyone were considering making a coaching change, and no one is, do you think the university can afford Slice's contract and Mullin's buy out and the cost of a new coach and the loss of revenue from big donors who are willing to support their childhood idol Chris Mullin but not the great Will Brown? I Don't. I think though they can absorb the loss of concession stand revenue from 11 people who won't renew their season tickets next year to protest this year's results.
Hey foady,
Figured you were going to concede or banish yourself. 8- almost 40
Concede what stupid, I've suffered through much worse than this. The fact that you're gloating after watching those poor kids lose the way they did yesterday comprises Olympic gold medal faaggottry. Maybe if you didn't post so much from the toilet less of your output would be shit posts. Just a thought.
<Take that auto censor>
Foad: I was wrong. Dead wrong.
Give it a try smart guy. Practice it. Seriously.
Then, repeat after me... I’m sorry Mr.Lavin. I never liked you. I had no right to insult you while you were recovering from cancer, and after your father died. I’m a POS. That’s my excuse. It’s not a good one, but it’s why I say what I do. Maybe you weren’t the perennial tournament coach you were at UCLA but you made us relevant again.
And you showed that having a passion for your job combined with understanding your strengths and weaknesses will lead to positive results.
I'm confused. The thing you repeat every post is about how lazy this staff was in the summer by not bringing in a complete roster. That's actually a legitimate gripe. But yet in Steve Lavin's 5th and final season here he only had 6 playable guys on the roster yet you say he had a passion for his job.
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When is the next Johnny Jungle get together?
Tomorrow night at the Blue Oyster. See ya there 7pm
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One player shouldn’t determine this decision.
What makes you think anyone's making a decision? Unless by decision you mean the fever dreams of the perpetually disgruntled.
Even if anyone were considering making a coaching change, and no one is, do you think the university can afford Slice's contract and Mullin's buy out and the cost of a new coach and the loss of revenue from big donors who are willing to support their childhood idol Chris Mullin but not the great Will Brown? I Don't. I think though they can absorb the loss of concession stand revenue from 11 people who won't renew their season tickets next year to protest this year's results.
Hey foady,
Figured you were going to concede or banish yourself. 8- almost 40
Concede what stupid, I've suffered through much worse than this. The fact that you're gloating after watching those poor kids lose the way they did yesterday comprises Olympic gold medal faaggottry. Maybe if you didn't post so much from the toilet less of your output would be shit posts. Just a thought.
<Take that auto censor>
Foad: I was wrong. Dead wrong.
Give it a try smart guy. Practice it. Seriously.
Then, repeat after me... I’m sorry Mr.Lavin. I never liked you. I had no right to insult you while you were recovering from cancer, and after your father died. I’m a POS. That’s my excuse. It’s not a good one, but it’s why I say what I do. Maybe you weren’t the perennial tournament coach you were at UCLA but you made us relevant again.
And you showed that having a passion for your job combined with understanding your strengths and weaknesses will lead to positive results.
Here's my take. Steve Lavin sucked at coaching and was mentally ill, suffering as he did from histrionic personalty disorder. I don't feel bad about anything I said about him because I have a life and am not a complete loser from Scarsadale. Also, suck my dick stupid.
8- almost 40
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When is the next Johnny Jungle get together?
Tomorrow night at the Blue Oyster. See ya there 7pm
Ha! You can rest assure a few wouldn't show Al for varied reasons.
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One player shouldn’t determine this decision.
What makes you think anyone's making a decision? Unless by decision you mean the fever dreams of the perpetually disgruntled.
Even if anyone were considering making a coaching change, and no one is, do you think the university can afford Slice's contract and Mullin's buy out and the cost of a new coach and the loss of revenue from big donors who are willing to support their childhood idol Chris Mullin but not the great Will Brown? I Don't. I think though they can absorb the loss of concession stand revenue from 11 people who won't renew their season tickets next year to protest this year's results.
Hey foady,
Figured you were going to concede or banish yourself. 8- almost 40
Concede what stupid, I've suffered through much worse than this. The fact that you're gloating after watching those poor kids lose the way they did yesterday comprises Olympic gold medal faaggottry. Maybe if you didn't post so much from the toilet less of your output would be shit posts. Just a thought.
<Take that auto censor>
Foad: I was wrong. Dead wrong.
Give it a try smart guy. Practice it. Seriously.
Then, repeat after me... I’m sorry Mr.Lavin. I never liked you. I had no right to insult you while you were recovering from cancer, and after your father died. I’m a POS. That’s my excuse. It’s not a good one, but it’s why I say what I do. Maybe you weren’t the perennial tournament coach you were at UCLA but you made us relevant again.
And you showed that having a passion for your job combined with understanding your strengths and weaknesses will lead to positive results.
Here's my take. Steve Lavin sucked at coaching and was mentally ill, suffering as he did from histrionic personalty disorder. I don't feel bad about anything I said about him because I have a life and am not a complete loser from Scarsadale. Also, suck my dick stupid.
8- almost 40
If they had forums back in caveman days you would fit right in.
Me Tony, don't like Mullin. Mullin Quit. Me Tony, don't like Mullin, Mullin quit.
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One player shouldn’t determine this decision.
What makes you think anyone's making a decision? Unless by decision you mean the fever dreams of the perpetually disgruntled.
Even if anyone were considering making a coaching change, and no one is, do you think the university can afford Slice's contract and Mullin's buy out and the cost of a new coach and the loss of revenue from big donors who are willing to support their childhood idol Chris Mullin but not the great Will Brown? I Don't. I think though they can absorb the loss of concession stand revenue from 11 people who won't renew their season tickets next year to protest this year's results.
Hey foady,
Figured you were going to concede or banish yourself. 8- almost 40
Concede what stupid, I've suffered through much worse than this. The fact that you're gloating after watching those poor kids lose the way they did yesterday comprises Olympic gold medal faaggottry. Maybe if you didn't post so much from the toilet less of your output would be shit posts. Just a thought.
<Take that auto censor>
Foad: I was wrong. Dead wrong.
Give it a try smart guy. Practice it. Seriously.
Then, repeat after me... I’m sorry Mr.Lavin. I never liked you. I had no right to insult you while you were recovering from cancer, and after your father died. I’m a POS. That’s my excuse. It’s not a good one, but it’s why I say what I do. Maybe you weren’t the perennial tournament coach you were at UCLA but you made us relevant again.
And you showed that having a passion for your job combined with understanding your strengths and weaknesses will lead to positive results.
I'm confused. The thing you repeat every post is about how lazy this staff was in the summer by not bringing in a complete roster. That's actually a legitimate gripe. But yet in Steve Lavin's 5th and final season here he only had 6 playable guys on the roster yet you say he had a passion for his job.
That was a risk as well. Part of the reason he was canned was his inability to control his own program. Still, he made the tournament in his last season. That team was light in bodies but deep in experience. Until they met San Diego State, Lavin and his staff made it work. Like in 99-00 they didn’t have depth but they had seniors.
Maybe Lavin stopped working as hard once he saw that the University wasn’t going to give him a contract. He made plenty of mistakes, but I keep hearing that he can’t coach. If making the NCAA or NIT in 4/5 seasons isn’t enough to be considered able to coach. What does 0-3 in 3 seasons make you? When it was Norm Roberts, it made HIM incompetent. Not his staff. When it’s Chris Mullin, it’s the fault of his staff and we need to replace one or more people on the staff.
I take issue with the obvious double standard.
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Fun is the Omar Little of these boards. Everybody else runs around fighting with pea shooters, he carries a shotgun. And he makes too many dick comments to ignore
You come at the king, you best not miss.
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Fun is the Omar Little of these boards. Everybody else runs around fighting with pea shooters, he carries a shotgun. And he makes too many dick comments to ignore
You come at the king, you best not miss.
Only on the internet. Big pus
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Lavin sucks compared to Carnesecca. Mullin sucks compared to Lavin.
You say that like I care about Mullin. You're even stupider than you seem and believe me I gave you little credit to begin with.
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Fun is the Omar Little of these boards. Everybody else runs around fighting with pea shooters, he carries a shotgun. And he makes too many dick comments to ignore
You come at the king, you best not miss.
Only on the internet. Big pus
Be fair, in real life I don't hang around with 8th grade teachers. Consider yourself fortunate.
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Lavin sucks compared to Carnesecca. Mullin sucks compared to Lavin.
You say that like I care about Mullin. You're even stupider than you seem you for and believe me I gave you little credit to begin with.
Bullshit. Now you’re just lying. It’s pathetic.
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Lavin sucks compared to Carnesecca. Mullin sucks compared to Lavin.
You say that like I care about Mullin. You're even stupider than you seem you for and believe me I gave you little credit to begin with.
Bullshit. Now you’re just lying. It’s pathetic.
No, I gave you enormously little credit. I'm surprised you can turn on your computer without breaking a bone.
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When is the next Johnny Jungle get together?
Tomorrow night at the Blue Oyster. See ya there 7pm
Ha! You can rest assure a few wouldn't show Al for varied reasons.
Yah, everyone's scared you're going to post pictures of their mailbox.
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When is the next Johnny Jungle get together?
Tomorrow night at the Blue Oyster. See ya there 7pm
Ha! You can rest assure a few wouldn't show Al for varied reasons.
Yah, everyone's scared you're going to post pictures of their mailbox.
Ya, no pics of the poop chute please
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When is the next Johnny Jungle get together?
Tomorrow night at the Blue Oyster. See ya there 7pm
Ha! You can rest assure a few wouldn't show Al for varied reasons.
Yah, everyone's scared you're going to post pictures of their mailbox.
Ya, no pics of the poop chute please
Shut up. My anus is exquisite.
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When is the next Johnny Jungle get together?
Tomorrow night at the Blue Oyster. See ya there 7pm
Ha! You can rest assure a few wouldn't show Al for varied reasons.
Most likely to show up and go postal --- Foad --- (he's got that Ted Kaczynski - Unabomber feel about him)
Most likely to show up and do a drive by --- Baldi --- (Yelling IONA is #1 bitches)
Most likely to show up with Mullin hand-in-hand --- We are SJU
Most likely to show up with his Boys and Girls Club coaching certificate --- TONYD3
Most likely to show up --- scratch that --- Most likely to pull no show --- Poison (not allowed to leave Scarsdale after dark)
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When is the next Johnny Jungle get together?
Tomorrow night at the Blue Oyster. See ya there 7pm
Ha! You can rest assure a few wouldn't show Al for varied reasons.
Most likely to show up and go postal --- Foad --- (he's got that Ted Kaczynski - Unabomber feel about him)
Most likely to show up and do a drive by --- Baldi --- (Yelling IONA is #1 bitches)
Most likely to show up with Mullin hand-in-hand --- We are SJU
Most likely to show up with his Boys and Girls Club coaching certificate --- TONYD3
Most likely to show up --- scratch that --- Most likely to pull no show --- Poison (not allowed to leave Scarsdale after dark)
I'm the most likely to stay home, being very particular about with whom I drink. Which is why I usually drink alone.
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When is the next Johnny Jungle get together?
Tomorrow night at the Blue Oyster. See ya there 7pm
Ha! You can rest assure a few wouldn't show Al for varied reasons.
Yah, everyone's scared you're going to post pictures of their mailbox.
Ha! I'll admit that was sort of funny. First time for everything, huh?
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When is the next Johnny Jungle get together?
Tomorrow night at the Blue Oyster. See ya there 7pm
Ha! You can rest assure a few wouldn't show Al for varied reasons.
Most likely to show up and go postal --- Foad --- (he's got that Ted Kaczynski - Unabomber feel about him)
Most likely to show up and do a drive by --- Baldi --- (Yelling IONA is #1 bitches)
Most likely to show up with Mullin hand-in-hand --- We are SJU
Most likely to show up with his Boys and Girls Club coaching certificate --- TONYD3
Most likely to show up --- scratch that --- Most likely to pull no show --- Poison (not allowed to leave Scarsdale after dark)
I wish!
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When is the next Johnny Jungle get together?
Tomorrow night at the Blue Oyster. See ya there 7pm
Ha! You can rest assure a few wouldn't show Al for varied reasons.
Most likely to show up and go postal --- Foad --- (he's got that Ted Kaczynski - Unabomber feel about him)
Most likely to show up and do a drive by --- Baldi --- (Yelling IONA is #1 bitches)
Most likely to show up with Mullin hand-in-hand --- We are SJU
Most likely to show up with his Boys and Girls Club coaching certificate --- TONYD3
Most likely to show up --- scratch that --- Most likely to pull no show --- Poison (not allowed to leave Scarsdale after dark)
I'm the most likely to stay home, being very particular about with whom I drink. Which is why I usually drink alone.
If you were that particular you would drink without yourself.
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The only way you bring this staff back for another year is if you think they can do well and compete. I can not see how anyone in their right mind believes that. Nothing they have done has warranted another year. The longer this experiment goes on. The more embarrassing it becomes.
Playing devils advocate here and keep in mind I'm one of the unhappy ones. BUT would you say last year was on ok year ? Not great year and not horrible year ?
So while not throwing out this year from our memory but if we have a chance of having fuller and potentially better and more experienced roster next year and let's assume chance Mullin learns from mistakes of this year and grows from it dont we at least give the homegrown Hall of fame player the chance to coach that 4th year with full team and see what happens after all we have been through as fans over the last 20 years ?
What IF next year everyone came back and it became that breakthrough year ( I'm not saying it will be but what if there was a chance ) and if we hit our stride next year and we have a home grown Hall of Fame player coaching our team
I'll take the chance on that 4th year instead of blowing everything up and starting over knowing we have well over 3 million a year already committed for 3 more years and pray he gets it right
What happens if everything turns out ok and we make the NIT? You can’t recuit as a lame duck coach? Do we extend this staff? Do they get raises?
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The only way you bring this staff back for another year is if you think they can do well and compete. I can not see how anyone in their right mind believes that. Nothing they have done has warranted another year. The longer this experiment goes on. The more embarrassing it becomes.
Playing devils advocate here and keep in mind I'm one of the unhappy ones. BUT would you say last year was on ok year ? Not great year and not horrible year ?
So while not throwing out this year from our memory but if we have a chance of having fuller and potentially better and more experienced roster next year and let's assume chance Mullin learns from mistakes of this year and grows from it dont we at least give the homegrown Hall of fame player the chance to coach that 4th year with full team and see what happens after all we have been through as fans over the last 20 years ?
What IF next year everyone came back and it became that breakthrough year ( I'm not saying it will be but what if there was a chance ) and if we hit our stride next year and we have a home grown Hall of Fame player coaching our team
I'll take the chance on that 4th year instead of blowing everything up and starting over knowing we have well over 3 million a year already committed for 3 more years and pray he gets it right
What happens if everything turns out ok and we make the NIT? You can’t recuit as a lame duck coach? Do we extend this staff? Do they get raises?
You wanted progression. NIT is progression, so I would say if Mullin wants it yes he gets an extension off NIT.
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The only way you bring this staff back for another year is if you think they can do well and compete. I can not see how anyone in their right mind believes that. Nothing they have done has warranted another year. The longer this experiment goes on. The more embarrassing it becomes.
Playing devils advocate here and keep in mind I'm one of the unhappy ones. BUT would you say last year was on ok year ? Not great year and not horrible year ?
So while not throwing out this year from our memory but if we have a chance of having fuller and potentially better and more experienced roster next year and let's assume chance Mullin learns from mistakes of this year and grows from it dont we at least give the homegrown Hall of fame player the chance to coach that 4th year with full team and see what happens after all we have been through as fans over the last 20 years ?
What IF next year everyone came back and it became that breakthrough year ( I'm not saying it will be but what if there was a chance ) and if we hit our stride next year and we have a home grown Hall of Fame player coaching our team
I'll take the chance on that 4th year instead of blowing everything up and starting over knowing we have well over 3 million a year already committed for 3 more years and pray he gets it right
What happens if everything turns out ok and we make the NIT? You can’t recuit as a lame duck coach? Do we extend this staff? Do they get raises?
You wanted progression. NIT is progression, so I would say if Mullin wants it yes he gets an extension off NIT.
I just don't understand our fans. We have a gaping hole at guard that prevents this boat from floating. Last year we weren't good but we didn't have any huge holes. Clark, Simon, and Ahmed are the most unskilled trio of secondary ball-handlers we've ever had at SJU. We need guards!!! We get them next year with Williams and Dixon, and if the staff has any brains then we'll get a PG as well so we never have to be this inept again. Once that hole is patched the floor is NIT.
We can afford to lose any two kids next year but Ponds and we'll still be fine.
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The only way you bring this staff back for another year is if you think they can do well and compete. I can not see how anyone in their right mind believes that. Nothing they have done has warranted another year. The longer this experiment goes on. The more embarrassing it becomes.
Playing devils advocate here and keep in mind I'm one of the unhappy ones. BUT would you say last year was on ok year ? Not great year and not horrible year ?
So while not throwing out this year from our memory but if we have a chance of having fuller and potentially better and more experienced roster next year and let's assume chance Mullin learns from mistakes of this year and grows from it dont we at least give the homegrown Hall of fame player the chance to coach that 4th year with full team and see what happens after all we have been through as fans over the last 20 years ?
What IF next year everyone came back and it became that breakthrough year ( I'm not saying it will be but what if there was a chance ) and if we hit our stride next year and we have a home grown Hall of Fame player coaching our team
I'll take the chance on that 4th year instead of blowing everything up and starting over knowing we have well over 3 million a year already committed for 3 more years and pray he gets it right
What happens if everything turns out ok and we make the NIT? You can’t recuit as a lame duck coach? Do we extend this staff? Do they get raises?
You wanted progression. NIT is progression, so I would say if Mullin wants it yes he gets an extension off NIT.
I just don't understand our fans. We have a gaping hole at guard that prevents this boat from floating. Last year we weren't good but we didn't have any huge holes. Clark, Simon, and Ahmed are the most unskilled trio of secondary ball-handlers we've ever had at SJU. We need guards!!! We get them next year with Williams and Dixon, and if the staff has any brains then we'll get a PG as well so we never have to be this inept again. Once that hole is patched the floor is NIT.
We can afford to lose any two kids next year but Ponds and we'll still be fine.
I really just can't fathom this Simon dribbling issue you have. You defend Ponds shooting against all statistical evidence but keep indicating Simon has a bad handle. Are you sure you know which guy Simon is? Sure you are not confusing him for Ahmed, Trimble or Yakwe? Amar maybe?
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The only way you bring this staff back for another year is if you think they can do well and compete. I can not see how anyone in their right mind believes that. Nothing they have done has warranted another year. The longer this experiment goes on. The more embarrassing it becomes.
Playing devils advocate here and keep in mind I'm one of the unhappy ones. BUT would you say last year was on ok year ? Not great year and not horrible year ?
So while not throwing out this year from our memory but if we have a chance of having fuller and potentially better and more experienced roster next year and let's assume chance Mullin learns from mistakes of this year and grows from it dont we at least give the homegrown Hall of fame player the chance to coach that 4th year with full team and see what happens after all we have been through as fans over the last 20 years ?
What IF next year everyone came back and it became that breakthrough year ( I'm not saying it will be but what if there was a chance ) and if we hit our stride next year and we have a home grown Hall of Fame player coaching our team
I'll take the chance on that 4th year instead of blowing everything up and starting over knowing we have well over 3 million a year already committed for 3 more years and pray he gets it right
What happens if everything turns out ok and we make the NIT? You can’t recuit as a lame duck coach? Do we extend this staff? Do they get raises?
You wanted progression. NIT is progression, so I would say if Mullin wants it yes he gets an extension off NIT.
I just don't understand our fans. We have a gaping hole at guard that prevents this boat from floating. Last year we weren't good but we didn't have any huge holes. Clark, Simon, and Ahmed are the most unskilled trio of secondary ball-handlers we've ever had at SJU. We need guards!!! We get them next year with Williams and Dixon, and if the staff has any brains then we'll get a PG as well so we never have to be this inept again. Once that hole is patched the floor is NIT.
We can afford to lose any two kids next year but Ponds and we'll still be fine.
So the problem is guard play and not the fact that we have nobody we can throw the ball to in the low post and expect him to make a play? The guards do all of the heavy lifting on this team because we don't have good bigs. That's the problem and that's been the problem since last year
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Per Zach B
Anton Goff on potential staff changes at St. John's: "Me and Chris will sit down and discuss the entire program after the season, and we'll go from there." #sjubb
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Per Zach B
Anton Goff on potential staff changes at St. John's: "Me and Chris will sit down and discuss the entire program after the season, and we'll go from there." #sjubb
Thats a yes
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Per Zach B
Anton Goff on potential staff changes at St. John's: "Me and Chris will sit down and discuss the entire program after the season, and we'll go from there." #sjubb
Thats a yes
Damn, you're sharp. Can't slip nothing past you
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The only way you bring this staff back for another year is if you think they can do well and compete. I can not see how anyone in their right mind believes that. Nothing they have done has warranted another year. The longer this experiment goes on. The more embarrassing it becomes.
Playing devils advocate here and keep in mind I'm one of the unhappy ones. BUT would you say last year was on ok year ? Not great year and not horrible year ?
So while not throwing out this year from our memory but if we have a chance of having fuller and potentially better and more experienced roster next year and let's assume chance Mullin learns from mistakes of this year and grows from it dont we at least give the homegrown Hall of fame player the chance to coach that 4th year with full team and see what happens after all we have been through as fans over the last 20 years ?
What IF next year everyone came back and it became that breakthrough year ( I'm not saying it will be but what if there was a chance ) and if we hit our stride next year and we have a home grown Hall of Fame player coaching our team
I'll take the chance on that 4th year instead of blowing everything up and starting over knowing we have well over 3 million a year already committed for 3 more years and pray he gets it right
What happens if everything turns out ok and we make the NIT? You can’t recuit as a lame duck coach? Do we extend this staff? Do they get raises?
You wanted progression. NIT is progression, so I would say if Mullin wants it yes he gets an extension off NIT.
I just don't understand our fans. We have a gaping hole at guard that prevents this boat from floating. Last year we weren't good but we didn't have any huge holes. Clark, Simon, and Ahmed are the most unskilled trio of secondary ball-handlers we've ever had at SJU. We need guards!!! We get them next year with Williams and Dixon, and if the staff has any brains then we'll get a PG as well so we never have to be this inept again. Once that hole is patched the floor is NIT.
We can afford to lose any two kids next year but Ponds and we'll still be fine.
I really just can't fathom this Simon dribbling issue you have. You defend Ponds shooting against all statistical evidence but keep indicating Simon has a bad handle. Are you sure you know which guy Simon is? Sure you are not confusing him for Ahmed, Trimble or Yakwe? Amar maybe?
Our bigs aren't 0-7 bad. We won 8 conference games with them last year when they were younger and weaker. Plus we added Clark. Ahmed isn't 0-7 bad as a combo forward. Ponds will be all-conference. Simon in a primary ball handling role is 0-7 bad.
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Simon vs freshman Phil Greene.
That team wasn’t 0- 8
Simon vs Geno Lawrence
That team wasn’t 0- a lot either
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The only way you bring this staff back for another year is if you think they can do well and compete. I can not see how anyone in their right mind believes that. Nothing they have done has warranted another year. The longer this experiment goes on. The more embarrassing it becomes.
Playing devils advocate here and keep in mind I'm one of the unhappy ones. BUT would you say last year was on ok year ? Not great year and not horrible year ?
So while not throwing out this year from our memory but if we have a chance of having fuller and potentially better and more experienced roster next year and let's assume chance Mullin learns from mistakes of this year and grows from it dont we at least give the homegrown Hall of fame player the chance to coach that 4th year with full team and see what happens after all we have been through as fans over the last 20 years ?
What IF next year everyone came back and it became that breakthrough year ( I'm not saying it will be but what if there was a chance ) and if we hit our stride next year and we have a home grown Hall of Fame player coaching our team
I'll take the chance on that 4th year instead of blowing everything up and starting over knowing we have well over 3 million a year already committed for 3 more years and pray he gets it right
What happens if everything turns out ok and we make the NIT? You can’t recuit as a lame duck coach? Do we extend this staff? Do they get raises?
You wanted progression. NIT is progression, so I would say if Mullin wants it yes he gets an extension off NIT.
I just don't understand our fans. We have a gaping hole at guard that prevents this boat from floating. Last year we weren't good but we didn't have any huge holes. Clark, Simon, and Ahmed are the most unskilled trio of secondary ball-handlers we've ever had at SJU. We need guards!!! We get them next year with Williams and Dixon, and if the staff has any brains then we'll get a PG as well so we never have to be this inept again. Once that hole is patched the floor is NIT.
We can afford to lose any two kids next year but Ponds and we'll still be fine.
I really just can't fathom this Simon dribbling issue you have. You defend Ponds shooting against all statistical evidence but keep indicating Simon has a bad handle. Are you sure you know which guy Simon is? Sure you are not confusing him for Ahmed, Trimble or Yakwe? Amar maybe?
Our bigs aren't 0-7 bad. We won 8 conference games with them last year when they were younger and weaker. Plus we added Clark. Ahmed isn't 0-7 bad as a combo forward. Ponds will be all-conference. Simon in a primary ball handling role is 0-7 bad.
Ahmed was benched deservedly so for long stretches in favor of a one dimensional frosh. No offense to Ahmed and wish him well in life but I will be glad when he is gone.
Ponds is going to be best player on 1-17 team. Unless they have 7 or 8 guys he is not making first team.
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Simon vs freshman Phil Greene.
That team wasn’t 0- 8
Simon vs Geno Lawrence
That team wasn’t 0- a lot either
Geno was a pure PG. We would have 14-15 wins if we had him. He wasn't the greatest, but he could get deep into the lane with his dribble unlike Simon who picks it up around the FT line and then leaps in like a maniac.
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https://youtu.be/D2Ol1glrW5Y
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Simon vs freshman Phil Greene.
That team wasn’t 0- 8
Simon vs Geno Lawrence
That team wasn’t 0- a lot either
Geno was a pure PG. We would have 14-15 wins if we had him. He wasn't the greatest, but he could get deep into the lane with his dribble unlike Simon who picks it up around the FT line and then leaps in like a maniac.
Simon sleeps faster than Geno could run.
Geno was worst point guard in ST John's history.
His shooting % did resemble your obsession so I guess I can see the attraction.
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Simon vs freshman Phil Greene.
That team wasn’t 0- 8
Simon vs Geno Lawrence
That team wasn’t 0- a lot either
Geno was a pure PG. We would have 14-15 wins if we had him. He wasn't the greatest, but he could get deep into the lane with his dribble unlike Simon who picks it up around the FT line and then leaps in like a maniac.
Staring to understand your opinion better. Sadly this team could use Geno. I don’t think he would change the results that much. I think we should always have 3 PGs on roster. Fine taking a local kid like Geno who may not play so much. That is the kind of 12 scholarship that should be given out. No amar’s Or Frenchmen.
Next year do we have an upgrade? I know you say we do. That is not a definite. Hope so
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This is year 3 of a total rebuild (why are we always in a total rebuild). I have seen progress each year and that is what I look for. Not some arbitrary pre-season finish in the standings. Year 1 was a wash. Year 2 wasn't much better but I was concerned about the way the team played defense. Year 3 defense showed improvement, the effort from the players are there. The lose of ML cannot be emphasized enough on our struggles. We essentially have one ball handler, no shooters, and no inside game. It's not the offense, the players cannot execute the plays. Good luck finding success in Big East play without any of those. Yes it's on the staff to construct a team, i believe they are, its just not happening as fast as we would like. Many of you want Mullin to tell Amar stop taking three's, well that's not the offense. Although Amar can't make those, that 4/5 star kid we're recruiting can and they need to see the type of offense they would be playing in. Next we will have a full roster, next year is when we need to see significant progress.
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Simon vs freshman Phil Greene.
That team wasn’t 0- 8
Simon vs Geno Lawrence
That team wasn’t 0- a lot either
Geno was a pure PG. We would have 14-15 wins if we had him. He wasn't the greatest, but he could get deep into the lane with his dribble unlike Simon who picks it up around the FT line and then leaps in like a maniac.
Simon sleeps faster than Geno could run.
Geno was worst point guard in ST John's history.
His shooting % did resemble your obsession so I guess I can see the attraction.
He never fell down dribbling like Simon. Every team can use a backup PG like Lawrence. The problem was that he had to be a main player for us. Watch that video above with Ellison. Damn we could use him now....if he was good for 2-3 clueless moments per game.
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Per Zach B
Anton Goff on potential staff changes at St. John's: "Me and Chris will sit down and discuss the entire program after the season, and we'll go from there." #sjubb
Thats a yes
Damn, you're sharp. Can't slip nothing past you
That wasn't for me. That was for the short bus posters
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Geno stats
Frosh 33% shooting % 3.9 asst 3.2 TO's
Soph 37% 4.9 asst 3.7 to's
Junior 38% 3.2 asst 2.6 to's
Sen 34% 3.6 asst 2.3 to's
But he was a good point and Simon can't dribble?????
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Geno stats
Frosh 33% shooting % 3.9 asst 3.2 TO's
Soph 37% 4.9 asst 3.7 to's
Junior 38% 3.2 asst 2.6 to's
Sen 34% 3.6 asst 2.3 to's
But he was a good point and Simon can't dribble?????
Like I said before, Simon is a great athlete who happens to play basketball
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Geno stats
Frosh 33% shooting % 3.9 asst 3.2 TO's
Soph 37% 4.9 asst 3.7 to's
Junior 38% 3.2 asst 2.6 to's
Sen 34% 3.6 asst 2.3 to's
But he was a good point and Simon can't dribble?????
Like I said before, Simon is a great athlete who happens to play basketball
Geno was a terrible athlete that played terrible basketball
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Geno stats
Frosh 33% shooting % 3.9 asst 3.2 TO's
Soph 37% 4.9 asst 3.7 to's
Junior 38% 3.2 asst 2.6 to's
Sen 34% 3.6 asst 2.3 to's
But he was a good point and Simon can't dribble?????
Like I said before, Simon is a great athlete who happens to play basketball
Geno was a terrible athlete that played terrible basketball
+1
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Geno stats
Frosh 33% shooting % 3.9 asst 3.2 TO's
Soph 37% 4.9 asst 3.7 to's
Junior 38% 3.2 asst 2.6 to's
Sen 34% 3.6 asst 2.3 to's
But he was a good point and Simon can't dribble?????
Lawrence was a backup in a starring role. Not his fault. Norm openly discussed how he and Mase had to score. That wasn't his game. Lawrence also drew the top perimeter defender. That goes to Ponds on this team.
And the PG is an extension of the coach...I know we can agree that Norm was a mongoloid.
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Geno stats
Frosh 33% shooting % 3.9 asst 3.2 TO's
Soph 37% 4.9 asst 3.7 to's
Junior 38% 3.2 asst 2.6 to's
Sen 34% 3.6 asst 2.3 to's
But he was a good point and Simon can't dribble?????
Lawrence was a backup in a starring role. Not his fault. Norm openly discussed how he and Mase had to score. That wasn't his game. Lawrence also drew the top perimeter defender. That goes to Ponds on this team.
And the PG is an extension of the coach...I know we can agree that Norm was a mongoloid.
Yes I agree with your Norm and Fordham sentiments. And if you keep throwing Geno's name out there I might start siding with Fordham.
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Geno stats
Frosh 33% shooting % 3.9 asst 3.2 TO's
Soph 37% 4.9 asst 3.7 to's
Junior 38% 3.2 asst 2.6 to's
Sen 34% 3.6 asst 2.3 to's
But he was a good point and Simon can't dribble?????
Like I said before, Simon is a great athlete who happens to play basketball
Geno was a terrible athlete that played terrible basketball
And yet 10 years later he's still making money playing ball. Good for him. While he may not have been starting BE PG material, especially back then, he seemed like a good enough guy.
http://basketball.eurobasket.com/team/Czech-Republic/CEZ-Basketball-Nymburk/3842
From wiki:
Eugene went to play in Slovakia for SPU Nitra from 2008 to 2009, where he was named Player of the Year and won the Finals with his team.[3] He then moved to Czech Republic for three seasons. While playing for BK Prostejov from 2009 to 2011, Lawrence was runner-up in the Czech League for two season. In his second season there, he was named MVP of the All-Star Game. His team made it to EuroChallenge last 16 in the 2010–11 season. In the 2011–12 season, he then moved to ČEZ Nymburk, where he won the Czech championship. He was named to the All-Star team starting five for the second season in a row.
From 2012 to 2014, Lawrence played in Ukraine for BC Hoverla. During his second season he left the team due to political hardships and civil war within the country. He then moved to Germany to play for Telekom Baskets Bonn.
In September 2016, Lawrence returned to ČEZ Nymburk.[4]
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This is year 3 of a total rebuild (why are we always in a total rebuild). I have seen progress each year and that is what I look for. Not some arbitrary pre-season finish in the standings. Year 1 was a wash. Year 2 wasn't much better but I was concerned about the way the team played defense. Year 3 defense showed improvement, the effort from the players are there. The lose of ML cannot be emphasized enough on our struggles. We essentially have one ball handler, no shooters, and no inside game. It's not the offense, the players cannot execute the plays. Good luck finding success in Big East play without any of those. Yes it's on the staff to construct a team, i believe they are, its just not happening as fast as we would like. Many of you want Mullin to tell Amar stop taking three's, well that's not the offense. Although Amar can't make those, that 4/5 star kid we're recruiting can and they need to see the type of offense they would be playing in. Next we will have a full roster, next year is when we need to see significant progress.
Agree with most of what you said . Still he needs to go. ABSOLUTELY no reason to be as bad as we were. We are so much better now. Still we played 10 good teams this year, lost everyone. We should rejoice that we don’t give up a 100 points? Sunday another example of how bad of a coaching staff we have. That was bad luck? ABSOLUTELY no reason to be as bad as we are.
You guys can be as positive as you want. Does anyone really think we are getting the next Shamorie Ponds? Would any of you send your son to this joke if you had better options?
Trust the process
The rest of the big east is scared . They are going to bring in another assistant. Sleeping giant
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This is year 3 of a total rebuild (why are we always in a total rebuild). I have seen progress each year and that is what I look for. Not some arbitrary pre-season finish in the standings. Year 1 was a wash. Year 2 wasn't much better but I was concerned about the way the team played defense. Year 3 defense showed improvement, the effort from the players are there. The lose of ML cannot be emphasized enough on our struggles. We essentially have one ball handler, no shooters, and no inside game. It's not the offense, the players cannot execute the plays. Good luck finding success in Big East play without any of those. Yes it's on the staff to construct a team, i believe they are, its just not happening as fast as we would like. Many of you want Mullin to tell Amar stop taking three's, well that's not the offense. Although Amar can't make those, that 4/5 star kid we're recruiting can and they need to see the type of offense they would be playing in. Next we will have a full roster, next year is when we need to see significant progress.
Agree with most of what you said . Still he needs to go. ABSOLUTELY no reason to be as bad as we were. We are so much better now. Still we played 10 good teams this year, lost everyone. We should rejoice that we don’t give up a 100 points? Sunday another example of how bad of a coaching staff we have. That was bad luck? ABSOLUTELY no reason to be as bad as we are.
You guys can be as positive as you want. Does anyone really think we are getting the next Shamorie Ponds? Would any of you send your son to this joke if you had better options?
Trust the process
The rest of the big east is scared . They are going to bring in another assistant. Sleeping giant
Blah blah blah... blah blah blah blah.
Blah blah, blah blah blah.
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This is year 3 of a total rebuild (why are we always in a total rebuild). I have seen progress each year and that is what I look for. Not some arbitrary pre-season finish in the standings. Year 1 was a wash. Year 2 wasn't much better but I was concerned about the way the team played defense. Year 3 defense showed improvement, the effort from the players are there. The lose of ML cannot be emphasized enough on our struggles. We essentially have one ball handler, no shooters, and no inside game. It's not the offense, the players cannot execute the plays. Good luck finding success in Big East play without any of those. Yes it's on the staff to construct a team, i believe they are, its just not happening as fast as we would like. Many of you want Mullin to tell Amar stop taking three's, well that's not the offense. Although Amar can't make those, that 4/5 star kid we're recruiting can and they need to see the type of offense they would be playing in. Next we will have a full roster, next year is when we need to see significant progress.
Agree with most of what you said . Still he needs to go. ABSOLUTELY no reason to be as bad as we were. We are so much better now. Still we played 10 good teams this year, lost everyone. We should rejoice that we don’t give up a 100 points? Sunday another example of how bad of a coaching staff we have. That was bad luck? ABSOLUTELY no reason to be as bad as we are.
You guys can be as positive as you want. Does anyone really think we are getting the next Shamorie Ponds? Would any of you send your son to this joke if you had better options?
Trust the process
The rest of the big east is scared . They are going to bring in another assistant. Sleeping giant
Wait a minute. You DON'T like Mullin?
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Masiello is still available