6th Man of St. John's Basketball
St. John's Red Storm => Recruiting => 2020 Class => Topic started by: QuanMan on July 29, 2019, 08:31:41 PM
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Vince Cole (6’5, SG, 2020) of USC Salk has been offered by St Johns
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sP8vN0wYTko
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JUCO 2nd Team AA as a freshman last year:
Justin Byerly
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Vincent Cole on his offer from St. John’s, “Really blessed very thankful ! Coach Anderson and Coach Cleveland was recruiting me during their time at Arkansas so we already have a relationship.”
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Great to see these offers coming in for
@Vincent_Cole1
Kid is one of the toughest, built to score players I have covered. Dog mentality that will cut your throat out.
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6’5 Guard Vince Cole, top 5 JUCO in the Country can change the whole complexion of a team, and he is on a visit this weekend and heard he could commit, would be the biggest get so far, bigger than Posh for sure, them together is already a top 35 class, and if you get Tabor, another JUCO and a big, 2020 will be a blowup year.
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JucoRecruiting.com
@JucoRecruiting
Vince Cole (6’5, SG, 2020) of USC Salk has been offered by St Johns
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sP8vN0wYTko
Shooting form is interesting...
Some of his moves are polished as hell though. Cross, post, step back..
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The fact that our fans are going so crazy for this kid is proof of how badly our recruiting has fallen off.
If this kid does commit now there is no reason for him to burn another year of eligibility by playing JUCO ball in a poor conference. Practice and keep three years.
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The fact that our fans are going so crazy for this kid is proof of how badly our recruiting has fallen off.
Are you saying he’s not a starting caliber type player? Based on your statement you make him out to be a low level player.
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Are you saying he’s not a starting caliber type player? Based on your statement you make him out to be a low level player.
Our best player or arguably second best is a Juco All American. By all accounts this guy seems like a strong addition.
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The fact that our fans are going so crazy for this kid is proof of how badly our recruiting has fallen off.
If this kid does commit now there is no reason for him to burn another year of eligibility by playing JUCO ball in a poor conference. Practice and keep three years.
I completely agreee...that you’re absolutely insane, but yes keep talking trash, this is LJ 2.0 with a better shot.
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Zach with the official word:
St Johns has landed JUCO All-American Vince Cole, his coach says. #sjubb
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Great news. Welcome aboard. 2 important pieces of our class complete.
Marillac please try to keep your excitement in check.
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Nice pickup. This kid can really fill it up from the perimeter. We haven't had a reliable deep threat in ages. Also good size and fairly athletic.
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https://www.zagsblog.com/2019/09/22/vince-cole-to-st-johns/?fbclid=IwAR15gS8yWRW9Zgw1SQXYHl5n8hpuj3IrzQmIiDwgN52XlSmB3EP0qa3t0Fg
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I completely agreee...that you’re absolutely insane, but yes keep talking trash, this is LJ 2.0 with a better shot.
Encouraging Vince to leave his school and to sit out this year would close JUCO doors to SJU--that is not a way to encourage future JUCO recruitment
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Encouraging Vince to leave his school and to sit out this year would close JUCO doors to SJU--that is not a way to encourage future JUCO recruitment
He plays at a no-name program so who cares? Very few JUCOs commit this early so it’s a non-issue. Also, he doesn’t have to leave the school. He can practice with the team until he graduates. Why burn a second year?
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Are you saying he’s not a starting caliber type player? Based on your statement you make him out to be a low level player.
How do you gather that from my post? There is quite a bit of room between low level player and someone worthy of hype. Who the hell knows who will be worthy of starting here anymore?
It appears like we are just going to run out a hundred 2 and 3 * players and won’t be in the hunt for top 50-75 talent anymore. This reliance on jucos is troubling. I’m all for kids like LJ who teansferres there for a year from good programs, but we cannot survive on 2+ jucos a year.
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How do you gather that from my post? There is quite a bit of room between low level player and someone worthy of hype. Who the hell knows who will be worthy of starting here anymore?
It appears like we are just going to run out a hundred 2 and 3 * players and won’t be in the hunt for top 50-75 talent anymore. This reliance on jucos is troubling. I’m all for kids like LJ who teansferres there for a year from good programs, but we cannot survive on 2+ jucos a year.
Staff signs one Juco kid (A 1st team Juco All-American mind you) and already "the reliance on jucos is troubling". Can't make this stuff up.
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Welcome aboard!
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How do you gather that from my post? There is quite a bit of room between low level player and someone worthy of hype. Who the hell knows who will be worthy of starting here anymore?
It appears like we are just going to run out a hundred 2 and 3 * players and won’t be in the hunt for top 50-75 talent anymore. This reliance on jucos is troubling. I’m all for kids like LJ who teansferres there for a year from good programs, but we cannot survive on 2+ jucos a year.
So you believe he’s a low level player not worthy of any hype? Ho are we being reliant on JUCOS? When was the last time we had two solid players committed so early? Staff is doing a tremendous job.
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Welcome Vince Cole!
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How do you gather that from my post? There is quite a bit of room between low level player and someone worthy of hype. Who the hell knows who will be worthy of starting here anymore?
It appears like we are just going to run out a hundred 2 and 3 * players and won’t be in the hunt for top 50-75 talent anymore. This reliance on jucos is troubling. I’m all for kids like LJ who teansferres there for a year from good programs, but we cannot survive on 2+ jucos a year.
This recruit is just one person, and he was a 1st team Juco AA last season. He’s not a 3 star recruit.
How is Cole not a great addition to our program?
You wanna pick on Nick Rutherford, I see your point. But this kid killed it last year.
BTW, see how I questioned your post without calling you stupid?
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How do you gather that from my post? There is quite a bit of room between low level player and someone worthy of hype. Who the hell knows who will be worthy of starting here anymore?
It appears like we are just going to run out a hundred 2 and 3 * players and won’t be in the hunt for top 50-75 talent anymore. This reliance on jucos is troubling. I’m all for kids like LJ who teansferres there for a year from good programs, but we cannot survive on 2+ jucos a year.
One JUCO (who was an all american) and it's a reliance on jucos which is troubling. That's a scorching hot take. Guess they can't all be Matt A, get tons of transfers, win zero ncaa tournament games with that talent, then bolt when the going gets tough. That was more your style.
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So you believe he’s a low level player not worthy of any hype? Ho are we being reliant on JUCOS? When was the last time we had two solid players committed so early? Staff is doing a tremendous job.
Are you stupid or do you purposely create and attribute arguments to others?
I don’t think this recruit is worthy of hype—certainly not to the level some have showered him with. I am fine with him taking up a roster spot. It’s not all or nothing.
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One JUCO (who was an all american) and it's a reliance on jucos which is troubling. That's a scorching hot take. Guess they can't all be Matt A, get tons of transfers, win zero ncaa tournament games with that talent, then bolt when the going gets tough. That was more your style.
Please find me someone who has publicly ridiculed Matt A more than me.
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“I am fine with him taking up a roster spot.”
Taking up a roster spot? Your ridiculous.
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Please find me someone who has publicly ridiculed Matt A more than me.
And yet you seemingly yearn for the days of him.
I'm not saying Anderson is going to work out, but I will say that whatever previous coaches have been doing has not been successful. Not saying this will happen, but sign me up for a NCAA tournament win with a scrappy team full of 3 stars who play defense with competent coaching vs. having higher ranked guys, barely making the tournament, and getting bounced immediately every year. You could very well be right and this becomes Norm version 2.0 but more or less everyone rejected the job.
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Taking up a roster spot? Your ridiculous.
You’re right, he’s the next Michael Jordan, and apparently he gets a scholarship and roster exemption too. That leaves room for more 2* guys.
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You’re right, he’s the next Michael Jordan, and apparently he gets a scholarship and roster exemption too. That leaves room for more 2* guys.
What do you think of the next Juco the Guess kid ?
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Encouraging Vince to leave his school and to sit out this year would close JUCO doors to SJU--that is not a way to encourage future JUCO recruitment
I don't understand your logic here. Why would this close doors?
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I completely agreee...that you’re absolutely insane, but yes keep talking trash, this is LJ 2.0 with a better shot.
While I hope Cole has matured a bit and game has evolved but there is big separation between him and LJ.
LJ had offers from high majors in high school and was a big time scoring prospect. Cole had some low major interest and it was pretty telling when CofC took away his offer and passed on him and he fell to Juco.
Cole could be decent role guy and interesting we took a commitment this early from him.
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You’re right, he’s the next Michael Jordan, and apparently he gets a scholarship and roster exemption too. That leaves room for more 2* guys.
He who spoke off no in between goes from a kid deserving of a “roster spot” to Michael Jordon. Who’s saying Michael Jordan? A player who is projected to be a significant contributor for this team is more deserving of a “roster spot”. Trimble wasn’t deserving of a roster spot yet his balls are still on your chin.
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I'm with Marillac here. Nothing to get too hyped about here. Good sized guard who has a knack for scoring the ball so hopefully he can contribute. I'd expect ceiling to be Bashir Ahmed and maybe the floor is Malik Ellison
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While I hope Cole has matured a bit and game has evolved but there is big separation between him and LJ.
LJ had offers from high majors in high school and was a big time scoring prospect. Cole had some low major interest and it was pretty telling when CofC took away his offer and passed on him and he fell to Juco.
Cole could be decent role guy and interesting we took a commitment this early from him.
Are you basing this assessment of the kid off the type of offers the kid received in HS. Have you seen him play? This is an experienced staff, I trust their judgment over us non professionals.
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I'm with Marillac here. Nothing to get too hyped about here. Good sized guard who has a knack for scoring the ball so hopefully he can contribute. I'd expect ceiling to be Bashir Ahmed and maybe the floor is Malik Ellison
Let’s see how he plays this year.
It’s way too soon to point to a ceiling for a kid that played one season of JUCO ball.
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He who spoke off no in between goes from a kid deserving of a “roster spot” to Michael Jordon. Who’s saying Michael Jordan? A player who is projected to be a significant contributor for this team is more deserving of a “roster spot”. Trimble wasn’t deserving of a roster spot yet his balls are still on your chin.
Do you understand sarcasm at all? I gave you a dose of your own medicine. You make enormous leaps in logic and deal in extremes.
I don’t have a problem with adding Cole. My issue is the hype he’s getting. He was in the same freaking second team all NJCAA as Mullin signee Valdir Manuel (both as freshman playing wreak competition) yet there was no hype for Manuel and this kid is the next LJ?
LJ was a top 100 player out of high school who went to a perennial tournament team at New Mexico St. He left New Mexico after gaining a year of D-1 college experience when his coaches moved on and he was not allowed to follow them. He played against very good JUCO competition. Cole was a 2* high school player who has played in a crappy league. He’s not going to step into big role for a good team day 1.
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Do you understand sarcasm at all? I gave you a dose of your own medicine. You make enormous leaps in logic and deal in extremes.
I don’t have a problem with adding Cole. My issue is the hype he’s getting. He was in the same freaking second team all NJCAA as Mullin signee Valdir Manuel (both as freshman playing wreak competition) yet there was no hype for Manuel and this kid is the next LJ?
LJ was a top 100 player out of high school who went to a perennial tournament team at New Mexico St. He left New Mexico after gaining a year of D-1 college experience when his coaches moved on and he was not allowed to follow them. He played against very good JUCO competition. Cole was a 2* high school player who has played in a crappy league. He’s not going to step into big role for a good team day 1.
How high were you on LJ?
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How high were you on LJ?
Marillac quote about LJ after committing: “Let's give him some time and not go crazy year one. Dixon has torn up D-1 and has spent another year with the program. Dixon is more prepared to start.” Don’t listen to anything Marillac says he is a dope.
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Marillac quote about LJ after committing: “Let's give him some time and not go crazy year one. Dixon has torn up D-1 and has spent another year with the program. Dixon is more prepared to start.” Don’t listen to anything Marillac says he is a dope.
Wow, how dishonest are you? You ignored three very positive posts by me in the same thread to pick one responding to if LJ was a day one starter? I didn’t even find out LJ spent a year at NMSU until well after that post and said that changed everything with his timeline in a later post.
Here is my reply days after LJ first committed: “Wow I completely missed his and Eli's commitments. HUGE. This kid takes away our need for another big (although you can never have too many) with proper coaching and players playing the correct positions.”
“Huge.” How is that anything but very positive?
Here is the link to the entire thread so people can read for themselves and also get a good feel for KJD’s questionable character:
http://johnnyjungle.com/forum/index.php?topic=10109.60
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Wow, how dishonest are you? You ignored three very positive posts by me in the same thread to pick one responding to if LJ was a day one starter? I didn’t even find out LJ spent a year at NMSU until well after that post and said that changed everything with his timeline in a later post.
Here is my reply days after LJ first committed: “Wow I completely missed his and Eli's commitments. HUGE. This kid takes away our need for another big (although you can never have too many) with proper coaching and players playing the correct positions.”
“Huge.” How is that anything but very positive?
Here is the link to the entire thread so people can read for themselves and also get a good feel for KJD’s questionable character:
http://johnnyjungle.com/forum/index.php?topic=10109.60
Questionable character? I took a direct quote from you. You can try to explain it all you want. You take ridiculous positions all the time and then either double down or totally back off. I’m tired of reading your nonsense.
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Wow, how dishonest are you? You ignored three very positive posts by me in the same thread to pick one responding to if LJ was a day one starter? I didn’t even find out LJ spent a year at NMSU until well after that post and said that changed everything with his timeline in a later post.
Here is my reply days after LJ first committed: “Wow I completely missed his and Eli's commitments. HUGE. This kid takes away our need for another big (although you can never have too many) with proper coaching and players playing the correct positions.”
“Huge.” How is that anything but very positive?
Here is the link to the entire thread so people can read for themselves and also get a good feel for KJD’s questionable character:
http://johnnyjungle.com/forum/index.php?topic=10109.60
Well you were still off even with the added context. We sorely ended up needing another big or two last year AND Eli Wright was not even close to a huge get, just more filler.
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Surprise surprise Dave bashing another Recruit.....it’s such a joke and comical at this point
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LJ had offers from high majors in high school and was a big time scoring prospect. Cole had some low major interest and it was pretty telling when CofC took away his offer and passed on him and he fell to Juco.
I believe Cole was recruited by Florida Tennessee and Memphis (among others) and had an offer from Texas Tech (who is a preseason top 15 team). Never seen him play so i can't argue his talent, but those are good high major programs. Would assume it was grades or something that led to JUCO and lack of other offers, but I'm just speculating.
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Surprise surprise Dave bashing another Recruit.....it’s such a joke and comical at this point
Plus 1
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Surprise surprise Dave bashing another Recruit.....it’s such a joke and comical at this point
This is actually good news as his players evaluations more often then not leave a lot to be desired.
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This is actually good news as his players evaluations more often then not leave a lot to be desired.
honestly shocked this hasn't become a Nebraska board
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This is actually good news as his players evaluations more often then not leave a lot to be desired.
Dave evaluating recruits is like Matt A evaluating Big and Tall clothing.
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Questionable character? I took a direct quote from you. You can try to explain it all you want. You take ridiculous positions all the time and then either double down or totally back off. I’m tired of reading your nonsense.
You fished through four posts in the SAME short thread and took the only one that wasn’t completely positive and used it out of context. How is that not dishonest? It didn’t even say anything negative about LJ. I don’t mince words. Look at my takes on Cam (his mom felt the need to come after me for it) and Manuel.
JUCOS almost always take a year to get going because the jump in talent, experience, and overall level of play is huge. Any kid that played D-1 prior to JUCO would have a huge advantage.
That was actually the very point I was making with Dixon and LJ in the post you quoted—that Dixon’s practice time here had him more prepared for an IMMEDIATE impact over LJ. I later learned that LJ practiced with a 25+ win tournament team prior to going JUCO and said that “changes everything” with his timeline. NMSU was far better than we were that year so that would not only mitigate experience difference with Dixon it would likely put him ahead.
It’s not just D-1 basketball experience that helps either...it’s the overall experience as a student athlete at a 4-year D-1 school: tutors, study hall, travel, more academic demands, more exposure and pressure, etc.
I was wrong on Dixon. I realized pretty quickly though that he had an awful basketball IQ that rendered him incapable of playing Big East caliber team defense. LJ has basketball IQ and instincts to spare.
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Are you basing this assessment of the kid off the type of offers the kid received in HS. Have you seen him play? This is an experienced staff, I trust their judgment over us non professionals.
Yup have seen him play. I'm close with Upward Stars program which he played for, asked around a few college coaches, and national recruiting guys too.
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Surprise surprise Dave bashing another Recruit.....it’s such a joke and comical at this point
Perhaps we share different definitions of bashing. Saying a player is terrible, no good, waste of scholarship would be bashing imo.
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I believe Cole was recruited by Florida Tennessee and Memphis (among others) and had an offer from Texas Tech (who is a preseason top 15 team). Never seen him play so i can't argue his talent, but those are good high major programs. Would assume it was grades or something that led to JUCO and lack of other offers, but I'm just speculating.
Academics were in bad shape and there were concerns about him ever being able to handle academic workload.
Some staffs will go extra mile to help, hand hold, and make sure this gets done while others don't want the liability. No wrong or right way but these are the flags.
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honestly shocked this hasn't become a Nebraska board
Wouldn't have to change the colors
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JJ has jumped the shark, dave has no connects within current staff hence the bitterness. See you in redmen
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JJ has jumped the shark, dave has no connects within current staff hence the bitterness. See you in redmen
+100000
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Various nice persons who feel posting on JJ post is no longer worthwhile post on JJ explain their decision to no longer post on JJ. + 100000. Thanks stupids.
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And you are the 2nd reason why this site is awful ....just having you take shot after shot at every poster is old and you turn every thread to an argument and make it about you
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And you are the 2nd reason why this site is awful ....just having you take shot after shot at every poster is old and you turn every thread to an argument and make it about you
+100000 and I know Foad I am stupid but FU. Don't give a shit what your comeback is because you are a complete f ing joke. FOAD MFer!
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Foad is a national treasure!
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And you are the 2nd reason why this site is awful ....just having you take shot after shot at every poster is old and you turn every thread to an argument and make it about you
I'd be troubled by your response if I knew who you were, but there's nothing about you that's awful enough to separate you from the herd of other nice persons. My advice? Try harder. As I will if I'm only the second worst thing about this site, bcause I strive to be the best in all endeavors.
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+100000 and I know Foad I am stupid but FU. Don't give a shit what your comeback is because you are a complete f ing joke. FOAD MFer!
This just in: snowflake who sends me interminable PMs about how my posts keep him up night and give him heart palpitations doesn't care about what I say because I'm a joke.
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Basketballs. I don't understand all of it, but I reckon I understand a good deal of it. Hmm mmm.
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This just in: snowflake who sends me interminable PMs about how my posts keep him up night and give him heart palpitations doesn't care about what I say because I'm a joke.
That's because at that time I mistakenly was under the impression you were a human being. Snowflake? I'll rip your f ing heart out MFer!
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Don't get why you have to wave poms poms on here for people to be happy. It's typical when any staff is newly hired. Posh is a good get and a solid 4 year guy. I don't know if he turns into a difference maker. There already seems to be a really heavy reliance by this staff on JUCO's. That is concerning. Hopefully Cole works out. We're replacing Heron and possibly LJ moving forward and need high major talent.
Dave gives his opinion on kids he sees and asks around about. It might seem like he is hating but the reality is the talent level is questionable. Hopefully they develop.
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Don't get why you have to wave poms poms on here for people to be happy. It's typical when any staff is newly hired. Posh is a good get and a solid 4 year guy. I don't know if he turns into a difference maker. There already seems to be a really heavy reliance by this staff on JUCO's. That is concerning. Hopefully Cole works out. We're replacing Heron and possibly LJ moving forward and need high major talent.
Dave gives his opinion on kids he sees and asks around about. It might seem like he is hating but the reality is the talent level is questionable. Hopefully they develop.
Do we have a heavy reliance on NYC kids because we now have two recruits from NYC?
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Do we have a heavy reliance on NYC kids because we now have two recruits from NYC?
We have Champiagne who will be a an 8th or 9th man.
Have you followed the recruiting for 2020? Already bringing in two more JUCO guys for visits.
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We have Champiagne who will be a an 8th or 9th man.
Have you followed the recruiting for 2020? Already bringing in two more JUCO guys for visits.
You’ve taken this out of context. I’m saying two of something isn’t very much.
Frankly, there is no reason anyone should be concerned by 2 or 3 jucos. Has everyone forgotten the success we’ve had with jucos compared to every other type of recruit?
ST.JOHN’S RECRUITS:
-What percentage of high school recruits have made 1st team All BE compared to JUCOS?
If they can play, I’m fine with JUCOS.
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JJ has jumped the shark, dave has no connects within current staff hence the bitterness. See you in redmen
I'm not sure where this narrative has come from. There is no bitterness here nor do I understand where you formulate that opinion. As for my "connects" I've known Coach Macon and DeMeo for 10 years.
If you'd like to attend a game with me sometime let me know. More than happy to sit, talk, and watch basketball with you.
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Don't get why you have to wave poms poms on here for people to be happy. It's typical when any staff is newly hired. Posh is a good get and a solid 4 year guy. I don't know if he turns into a difference maker. There already seems to be a really heavy reliance by this staff on JUCO's. That is concerning. Hopefully Cole works out. We're replacing Heron and possibly LJ moving forward and need high major talent.
Dave gives his opinion on kids he sees and asks around about. It might seem like he is hating but the reality is the talent level is questionable. Hopefully they develop.
I really have no issue with juco, transfers, prep kids, etc. If you can ball and want to be here than come on down. We aren't Kentucky or Duke we aren't getting 5 star kids out of high school.
Posh is a good piece of the puzzle. If he turns into Phil Greene quality producer that would be really good imo but he isn't a D'Angelo Harrison.
If Cole turns into Bashir Ahmed would that be a bad thing? He's a guy who can get buckets in a game and there will probably be other times we bang our head against the wall. No player is perfect. I think LJ is a higher tier of quality where he can be a go-to option player.
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I really have no issue with juco, transfers, prep kids, etc. If you can ball and want to be here than come on down. We aren't Kentucky or Duke we aren't getting 5 star kids out of high school.
Posh is a good piece of the puzzle. If he turns into Phil Greene quality producer that would be really good imo but he isn't a D'Angelo Harrison.
If Cole turns into Bashir Ahmed would that be a bad thing? He's a guy who can get buckets in a game and there will probably be other times we bang our head against the wall. No player is perfect. I think LJ is a higher tier of quality where he can be a go-to option player.
I don’t think Ahmed is the right comparison. I’m not sure who is. Ahmed was a swingman, and he was often out of control. This kid is a combo guard, and I see an improved handle and passing ability. Ahmed had what, 10 total assists in 2 seasons at St.John’s? Maybe Cole wasn’t a combo guard a year ago, but I don’t think you’re considering that Cole probably improved quite a bit in the last year.
I find it encouraging that he’s already exceeded expectations in one year of JUCO.
That alone isn’t worth a parade, but let’s follow his season, and see how much he continues to improve.
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I don’t think Ahmed is the right comparison. I’m not sure who is. Ahmed was a swingman, and he was often out of control. This kid is a combo guard, and I see an improved handle and passing ability. Ahmed had what, 10 total assists in 2 seasons at St.John’s? Maybe Cole wasn’t a combo guard a year ago, but I don’t think you’re considering that Cole probably improved quite a bit in the last year.
I find it encouraging that he’s already exceeded expectations in one year of JUCO.
That alone isn’t worth a parade, but let’s follow his season, and see how much he continues to improve.
On what planet is Cole a combo guard? He averaged less than two assists a game and had 15 more turnovers than assists in a TERRIBLE region in the NJCAA. Some of his games were against high schools.
Ahmed had twice as many assists as Cole against much better competition playing for a guard-heavy team that he was forced to play some PF at. So what are you basing this on?
Ahmed's Hutchinson team destroyed NW Florida State 116-90 (Ahmed went for 21, 10, and 7) while Cole's team lost to them by 15 and Cole went for 15 pts 5 boards and ZERO assists. Obviously the rosters were different for NW Florida State, but both Hutchinson and NWFS are consistent programs and provide some basis for comparison for a no-name school like Cole's.
Maybe some of you like Cole -- I don't really have a strong opinion on him either way -- and maybe he ends up with a better career here, but Ahmed was unquestionably a better prospect coming out of JUCO regardless of how things may have gone for him once he arrived. To act like he and Cole aren't close is just absurd.
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On what planet is Cole a combo guard? He averaged less than two assists a game and had 15 more turnovers than assists in a TERRIBLE region in the NJCAA. Some of his games were against high schools.
Ahmed had twice as many assists as Cole against much better competition playing for a guard-heavy team that he was forced to play some PF at. So what are you basing this on?
Ahmed's Hutchinson team destroyed NW Florida State 116-90 (Ahmed went for 21, 10, and 7) while Cole's team lost to them by 15 and Cole went for 15 pts 5 boards and ZERO assists. Obviously the rosters were different for NW Florida State, but both Hutchinson and NWFS are consistent programs and provide some basis for comparison for a no-name school like Cole's.
Maybe some of you like Cole -- I don't really have a strong opinion on him either way -- and maybe he ends up with a better career here, but Ahmed was unquestionably a better prospect coming out of JUCO regardless of how things may have gone for him once he arrived. To act like he and Cole aren't close is just absurd.
I agree that combo guard is a big stretch, I see small forward with skills, but wouldn’t it be more fair to compare him as a prospect to Bashir after this season?
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I agree that combo guard is a big stretch, I see small forward with skills, but wouldn’t it be more fair to compare him as a prospect to Bashir after this season?
Of course...comparisons only get better with more evidence.
However, Ahmed played in the most competitive league with and against the best competiton JUCO has to offer. Cole won’t have that opportunity unless his team makes a deep run in March.
I am fine with the Cole addition, but the hype he’s getting is what bothers me. I like JUCOs as much as anyone, but they don’t take the place of stud high school or D-1 transfer recruits no matter how good they are.
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I don’t think Ahmed is the right comparison. I’m not sure who is. Ahmed was a swingman, and he was often out of control. This kid is a combo guard, and I see an improved handle and passing ability. Ahmed had what, 10 total assists in 2 seasons at St.John’s? Maybe Cole wasn’t a combo guard a year ago, but I don’t think you’re considering that Cole probably improved quite a bit in the last year.
I find it encouraging that he’s already exceeded expectations in one year of JUCO.
That alone isn’t worth a parade, but let’s follow his season, and see how much he continues to improve.
Speaking to more of production than position/skill.
If Cole scored a few 20 point games and averaged near 10ppg I think you'd be pleased with that. Earlier I compared his floor to probably Ellison who was more 6-7ppg off the bench which again I don't think is bad either.
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CMA seems to love JUCOs. I am not against them. But I also like high caliber transfers, which it seems we are not going after and would like to see us get top 100 Hs kids also.
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CMA seems to love JUCOs. I am not against them. But I also like high caliber transfers, which it seems we are not going after and would like to see us get top 100 Hs kids also.
JUCOs only work if they are alongside at least 2-3 legit top 75 talents. I don’t care if half the roster is JUCO if there are a few studs.
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One JUCO (who was an all american) and it's a reliance on jucos which is troubling. That's a scorching hot take. Guess they can't all be Matt A, get tons of transfers, win zero ncaa tournament games with that talent, then bolt when the going gets tough. That was more your style.
Hey, are we relying on JUCOs yet, dipshit, or do you need another 5-6 commitments?
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Vince Cole (6’5, SG, 2020) of USC Salk has been offered by St Johns
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sP8vN0wYTko
Cole is absolutely going off, 31 points last night. Going to be very good.
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Vince Cole is a walking bucket.
No. 11 USC Salkehatchie relied on the sophomore’s 50/50/90 line to open the season with four wins!
Bound for St. John's, Cole nabs this week’s #NJCAAmbb DI Player of the Week award💪
Vince has put on a show so far this season, will be able to Heron’s spot next year, and if LJ stays while adding Posh and Isaih Moore, next year could be really good and tourney bound.
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Vince Cole is a walking bucket.
No. 11 USC Salkehatchie relied on the sophomore’s 50/50/90 line to open the season with four wins!
Bound for St. John's, Cole nabs this week’s #NJCAAmbb DI Player of the Week award💪
Vince has put on a show so far this season, will be able to Heron’s spot next year, and if LJ stays while adding Posh and Isaih Moore, next year could be really good and tourney bound.
All good news. I like the plug and play with Heron.
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Vince Cole is a walking bucket.
No. 11 USC Salkehatchie relied on the sophomore’s 50/50/90 line to open the season with four wins!
Bound for St. John's, Cole nabs this week’s #NJCAAmbb DI Player of the Week award💪
Vince has put on a show so far this season, will be able to Heron’s spot next year, and if LJ stays while adding Posh and Isaih Moore, next year could be really good and tourney bound.
Heron is a two-time SEC 2nd team honoree and was just named preseason Big East second team. It’s unrealistic to expect a kid from an awful JUCO conference to be a full replacement. Heron is a fantastic defender and rebounder on top of what he provides as a scorer.
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Heron is a two-time SEC 2nd team honoree and was just named preseason Big East second team. It’s unrealistic to expect a kid from an awful JUCO conference to be a full replacement. Heron is a fantastic defender and rebounder on top of what he provides as a scorer.
I don't think he can replicate his skill or production but can plug his role.
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I don't think he can replicate his skill or production but can plug his role.
Go by that standard I can plug that role too. 2 pts 3 boards and inspired D and rebounding from Marillac.
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Go by that standard I can plug that role too. 2 pts 3 boards and inspired D and rebounding from Marillac.
Already had you lined up to replace Rutherford
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Go by that standard I can plug that role too. 2 pts 3 boards and inspired D and rebounding from Marillac.
For a guy who loves rebounding I expect better board numbers from you no matter how you get them. You have 5 foul to give I know you will use them :)
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For a guy who loves rebounding I expect better board numbers from you no matter how you get them. You have 5 foul to give I know you will use them :)
Need to be able to get off the ground though. LOL
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His footwork on his triple threat position is elite, kid is explosive:
https://twitter.com/Vincent_Cole1/status/1206673591460401152
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I’m telling y’all if LJ stays next year could be a crazy good year... Dunn..Cole..LJ...Caraher..Williams..Posh...Wusu...Roberts....Steere..Earlington...Moore...