6th Man of St. John's Basketball

St. John's Red Storm => In The Jungle... => Topic started by: BannerMountainMan on December 08, 2019, 12:31:04 PM

Title: Mike Anderson to Tulsa
Post by: BannerMountainMan on December 08, 2019, 12:31:04 PM
Quote from Coach MA’s son “Never doubt @Iron_MikeMA. His track record speaks for itself.

Ignore the noise. Good win for Pops! First of many. #SJUBB 💪👊”

Mike loves NY, his PG (wife) especially loves NY, she’s a big fan of stylish clothes and fast living, he’s gong to try to build a successful program here, there’s only two options that’s going to happen- he’s either going to retire here or he’s going to be fired after 3-4 years if he hasn’t made the tourney yet.

There is a fire lit under him by being fired from his dream school and St. John’s is going to get every last ounce out of him to try to build a winner because he wants to show Arkansas and their fans that they made a big mistake.
Title: Re: Mike Anderson to Tulsa
Post by: Mullins Revenge on December 08, 2019, 01:00:33 PM
We are extremely lucky someone of his caliber fell into our laps.  Is he a great coach, no.

But he is a very good coach and a great fit for this university.

Title: Re: Mike Anderson to Tulsa
Post by: TONYD3 on December 08, 2019, 02:03:11 PM
We are extremely lucky someone of his caliber fell into our laps.  Is he a great coach, no.

But he is a very good coach and a great fit for this university.


Really happy we got Anderson. Luck wasn’t involved our AD did a great job. Maybe we were lucky he was available. But I was certain we were getting a good coach this year.
Title: Re: Mike Anderson to Tulsa
Post by: Johnny23 on December 08, 2019, 02:44:58 PM
Like I said CMA is here to stay. Haters gonna hate. He's building something here and it's fun to watch.
Title: Re: Mike Anderson to Tulsa
Post by: TONYD3 on December 08, 2019, 03:09:44 PM
Like I said CMA is here to stay. Haters gonna hate. He's building something here and it's fun to watch.
Never understand the hate around here. Lavin very quickly was hated. Winning 20 games, winning home games, just competing is all I ask for. By year 3 half the board hated him. Year 4 most of the board, year 5 just about everyone. Those are the delusional ones.
Anderson will be better then Lavin. He has been great so far and some aren’t happy.
Title: Re: Mike Anderson to Tulsa
Post by: Johnny23 on December 08, 2019, 03:18:07 PM
Never understand the hate around here. Lavin very quickly was hated. Winning 20 games, winning home games, just competing is all I ask for. By year 3 half the board hated him. Year 4 most of the board, year 5 just about everyone. Those are the delusional ones.
Anderson will be better then Lavin. He has been great so far and some aren’t happy.

Agree. It's unexplainable but to each their own.
Title: Re: Mike Anderson to Tulsa
Post by: TONYD3 on December 08, 2019, 03:21:07 PM
Agree. It's unexplainable but to each their own.
Crazy, some people even want to live in Tulsa.
Title: Re: Mike Anderson to Tulsa
Post by: Foad on December 08, 2019, 04:32:14 PM
Never understand the hate around here.

Russian nesting doll of stupid who gave up on St John's last year when they were 12-0 because basketball wasn't fun anymore doesn't understand the hate.
Title: Re: Mike Anderson to Tulsa
Post by: TONYD3 on December 08, 2019, 04:44:43 PM
Russian nesting doll of stupid who gave up on St John's last year when they were 12-0 because basketball wasn't fun anymore doesn't understand the hate.

Was looking for your stupid blog, where is it? Or are you sad we won? Didn’t give up on my team last year just realized it was fraud.
Having a real coach, Watching a good hardworking team, And knowing you losers are mad makes it so much better.
Thank you for being you.
Title: Re: Mike Anderson to Tulsa
Post by: Marillac on December 08, 2019, 06:24:29 PM
Quote from Coach MA’s son “Never doubt @Iron_MikeMA. His track record speaks for itself.

Ignore the noise. Good win for Pops! First of many. #SJUBB 💪👊”

Mike loves NY, his PG (wife) especially loves NY, she’s a big fan of stylish clothes and fast living, he’s gong to try to build a successful program here, there’s only two options that’s going to happen- he’s either going to retire here or he’s going to be fired after 3-4 years if he hasn’t made the tourney yet.

There is a fire lit under him by being fired from his dream school and St. John’s is going to get every last ounce out of him to try to build a winner because he wants to show Arkansas and their fans that they made a big mistake.

Obviously he is not going to Tulsa.  St. John's fans feel the need to make up and spread rumors.  It's one of the perks of coaching here. Tulsa has a good coach in place.  The discussion about Tulsa was whether we were a much better program.  We aren't.  Our fans are delusional.
Title: Re: Mike Anderson to Tulsa
Post by: Marillac on December 08, 2019, 06:26:12 PM
Crazy, some people even want to live in Tulsa.

 Nothing like the rust, rats, filth, and traffic of Queens baby!
Title: Re: Mike Anderson to Tulsa
Post by: goredmen on December 08, 2019, 07:04:29 PM
Tulsa has a good coach in place. 

There have been many dumb things said on this board over the years but this may be the dumbest. Frank Haith is the actual worst and they can't wait to be rid of them there.
Title: Re: Mike Anderson to Tulsa
Post by: Poison on December 08, 2019, 07:06:22 PM
Nothing like the rust, rats, filth, and traffic of Queens baby!

Not every makes Jacksonville money.
Title: Re: Mike Anderson to Tulsa
Post by: Foad on December 08, 2019, 07:24:09 PM
Was looking for your stupid blog

Of course you were slingblade, because I live in your head, hmm mmm. Unfortunately I was out of town this weekend and by the time I watched the game when I got back didn't think it was worth the bother of recording my hot takes. Or maybe I registered for an account on the WV board and posted my hot takes there which comprised whining like a little bitch about how college basketball wasn't fun anymore because although the team I root for won I hate the coach and I can't understand why anyone could hate the coach so much that I want the team to lose because I hate the coach which hate I don't understand because I don't understand the hatred of the coach that would cause me to hate the team I root for. God damn but you're stupid.
Title: Re: Mike Anderson to Tulsa
Post by: jr49 on December 08, 2019, 07:41:24 PM
Nothing like the rust, rats, filth, and traffic of Queens baby!
ls that all you can say about queens?
Title: Re: Mike Anderson to Tulsa
Post by: TONYD3 on December 08, 2019, 07:51:20 PM
Nothing like the rust, rats, filth, and traffic of Queens baby!
Sorry you let you mom live like that. My mom lives nice
Title: Re: Mike Anderson to Tulsa
Post by: TONYD3 on December 08, 2019, 07:58:05 PM
Not every makes Jacksonville money.
That’s where u live? I assumed better
Title: Re: Mike Anderson to Tulsa
Post by: Poison on December 08, 2019, 08:12:58 PM
That’s where u live? I assumed better

I don’t live in Jacksonville. I have flown over it before. No need for a closer look. I was making reference to the laughable pride that Marillac takes in telling us he lives in Florida. As if it’s not one giant cess pool.
Title: Re: Mike Anderson to Tulsa
Post by: Marillac on December 08, 2019, 09:14:24 PM
Not every makes Jacksonville money.

You need to check a map. Jacksonville is very northern Florida. I live in south Florida. 
Title: Re: Mike Anderson to Tulsa
Post by: Marillac on December 08, 2019, 09:16:02 PM
Sorry you let you mom live like that. My mom lives nice

Is that why you live in her basement still?
Title: Re: Mike Anderson to Tulsa
Post by: Marillac on December 08, 2019, 09:18:56 PM
ls that all you can say about queens?

I love Queens, but nobody outside of NY would ever want to live there.
Title: Re: Mike Anderson to Tulsa
Post by: Poison on December 08, 2019, 09:25:55 PM
You need to check a map. Jacksonville is very northern Florida. I live in south Florida. 

Who gives a shit?
Title: Re: Mike Anderson to Tulsa
Post by: Marillac on December 08, 2019, 09:55:53 PM
Who gives a shit?

Apparently you give a lot of shits. Why so cranky? I guess 40 degrees will do that. 80 and perfect here today.
Title: Re: Mike Anderson to Tulsa
Post by: Marillac on December 09, 2019, 12:16:28 AM
Frank Haith is the actual worst and they can't wait to be rid of them there.

Frank Haith has a career coaching record of 307-196. He was 76-28 at Missouri. He had a winning % of .731 and a conference winning % of .630 at Missouri. For comparison, Anderson had a winning % of .661 and was just over .500 in conference at Missouri.

Haith is 7-1 this year, has won over 60% of games bother overall and in conference, and just signed an extension in March. If they couldn’t wait for him to be gone, they wouldn’t have extended him or they would have let him go.

I have no opinion of Haith as a coach, but I find your claim of him being “the actual worst” plainly false and would assume you were being hyperbolic if you didn’t criticize me of doing that so often.
Title: Re: Mike Anderson to Tulsa
Post by: goredmen on December 09, 2019, 12:35:58 AM
Frank Haith has a career coaching record of 307-196. He was 76-28 at Missouri. He had a winning % of .731 and a conference winning % of .630 at Missouri. For comparison, Anderson had a winning % of .661 and was just over .500 in conference at Missouri.

Haith is 7-1 this year, has won over 60% of games bother overall and in conference, and just signed an extension in March. If they couldn’t wait for him to be gone, they wouldn’t have extended him or they would have let him go.

If have no opinion of Haith as a coach, but I find your claim of him being “the actual worst” plainly false and would assume you were being hyperbolic if you didn’t criticize me of doing that so often.


Frank Haith made the tournament once in 7 years at Miami. He then voluntarily left Miami for Missouri before Miami could fire him. I think Miami has achieved a lot more success since he's left than when he was there but maybe you can fact check that for me.

Haith inherited a LOADED roster at Missouri, left by some guy named Mike Anderson. Haith led them to a 2 seed that season but was ultimately defeated by the powerhouse that is Norfolk State. They declined to a 9 seed the following the year and another first round exit, then the NIT in year 3. Haith then again voluntarily left Missouri for Tulsa which would be characterized as a clear step down by any and all objective observers.

Since arriving at Tulsa he only made the NCAA Tournament a grand total of one time, advancing no further than the play in round with a team of seniors recruited by the previous staff. In his 4 seasons since Tulsa has not even sniffed the NCAA Tournament and has not been a top 100 team in any of those seasons. Their best win so far this season is against Vanderbilt who might be the worst power conference team in the country this year. They have losses to UT Arlington and Arkansas State.

Frank Haith is good at staying one step ahead of the posse and splitting town before he can get fired, even if that means accepting a job that is a clear downgrade from his current position. He then finds himself with good rosters put together by the previous coach, puts up a decent record but ultimately underachieves. When it's time for him to coach with his players, he accomplishes zero.

Frank Haith's name was briefly mentioned by a reporter as potentially having an interview lined up with St. John's for their coaching opening in April. I don't think there was anything to that, but had St. John's hired Frank Haith I would have been 100% convinced that Mike Cragg was brought in here by Bobby G with the sole intention of killing the basketball program.

There is nobody that thinks Frank Haith is a good coach.
Title: Re: Mike Anderson to Tulsa
Post by: Marillac on December 09, 2019, 12:54:44 AM
Frank Haith made the tournament once in 7 years at Miami. He then voluntarily left Miami for Missouri before Miami could fire him. I think Miami has achieved a lot more success since he's left than when he was there but maybe you can fact check that for me.

Haith inherited a LOADED roster at Missouri, left by some guy named Mike Anderson. Haith led them to a 2 seed that season but was ultimately defeated by the powerhouse that is Norfolk State. They declined to a 9 seed the following the year and another first round exit, then the NIT in year 3. Haith then again voluntarily left Missouri for Tulsa which would be characterized as a clear step down by any and all objective observers.

Since arriving at Tulsa he only made the NCAA Tournament a grand total of one time, advancing no further than the play in round with a team of seniors recruited by the previous staff. In his 4 seasons since Tulsa has not even sniffed the NCAA Tournament and has not been a top 100 team in any of those seasons. Their best win so far this season is against Vanderbilt who might be the worst power conference team in the country this year. They have losses to UT Arlington and Arkansas State.

Frank Haith is good at staying one step ahead of the posse and splitting town before he can get fired, even if that means accepting a job that is a clear downgrade from his current position. He then finds himself with good rosters put together by the previous coach, puts up a decent record but ultimately underachieves. When it's time for him to coach with his players, he accomplishes zero.

Frank Haith's name was briefly mentioned by a reporter as potentially having an interview lined up with St. John's for their coaching opening in April. I don't think there was anything to that, but had St. John's hired Frank Haith I would have been 100% convinced that Mike Cragg was brought in here by Bobby G with the sole intention of killing the basketball program.

There is nobody that thinks Frank Haith is a good coach.

Do you believe he is the “actual worst” or were you being hyperbolic? It’s hard to tell around here these days because Tony D just wrote that Mullin’s tenure was the last four years in the program’s history.

I don’t think any truly awful coach could make multiple NCAA tournaments.
Title: Re: Mike Anderson to Tulsa
Post by: goredmen on December 09, 2019, 01:02:25 AM
Do you believe he is the “actual worst” or were you being hyperbolic? It’s hard to tell around here these days because Tony D just wrote that Mullin’s tenure was the last four years in the program’s history.

I don’t think any truly awful coach could make multiple NCAA tournaments.

Like I said, if SJU hired him I would have thought Cragg was nothing more than a hitman hired to kill the program.
Title: Re: Mike Anderson to Tulsa
Post by: erickthered on December 09, 2019, 01:18:07 AM
Florida and NY are both shitholes so pride yourselves on that
Title: Re: Mike Anderson to Tulsa
Post by: Amaseinyourface2 on December 09, 2019, 07:27:30 AM
Frank Haith has a career coaching record of 307-196. He was 76-28 at Missouri. He had a winning % of .731 and a conference winning % of .630 at Missouri. For comparison, Anderson had a winning % of .661 and was just over .500 in conference at Missouri.

Haith is 7-1 this year, has won over 60% of games bother overall and in conference, and just signed an extension in March. If they couldn’t wait for him to be gone, they wouldn’t have extended him or they would have let him go.

I have no opinion of Haith as a coach, but I find your claim of him being “the actual worst” plainly false and would assume you were being hyperbolic if you didn’t criticize me of doing that so often.


And a guy who can’t recruit built that Missouri team for him!
Title: Re: Mike Anderson to Tulsa
Post by: BannerMountainMan on December 09, 2019, 08:16:04 AM
Do you believe he is the “actual worst” or were you being hyperbolic? It’s hard to tell around here these days because Tony D just wrote that Mullin’s tenure was the last four years in the program’s history.

I don’t think any truly awful coach could make multiple NCAA tournaments.
Anderson must be truly awful with 9 HC appearances and over 25 appearances overall counting assistant coach.
Title: Re: Mike Anderson to Tulsa
Post by: TONYD3 on December 09, 2019, 09:12:27 AM
No one would have compared the St. John’s job with the Tulsa job 7 years ago. Back then we had a good team with highly rated players. We were winning games and attendance wasn’t an issue.

No one would compare the Tulsa job to the seton hall job now because Willard has done a great job. 7/8 years ago, seton hall wasn’t good. Their attendance and record sucked. Back then someone could make an argument that Tulsa was a better job then seton hall. That won’t be the case as long as Williard is there. 
I hope Anderson is here for a long time. When he leaves, St. John’s will not be in anyway compared to Tulsa
Title: Re: Mike Anderson to Tulsa
Post by: cjfish on December 09, 2019, 10:55:35 AM
Apparently you give a lot of shits. Why so cranky? I guess 40 degrees will do that. 80 and perfect here today.


Tired of hearing about Florida. If you live in a gated community that’s great but every time you pass the gates you are welcomed by awful suburban sprawl and poor infrastructure. A short distance to the beach can take forever due to traffic and lights etc. And the state is unlivable for 4 months when everyone retreats indoors. I winter on the beach in NC where the temps are temperate and the crowds are sparse. NC is full of halfbacks, people who retired to Florida but moved halfway back because they found Florida to be a shithole
Title: Re: Mike Anderson to Tulsa
Post by: Marillac on December 09, 2019, 03:44:47 PM
Anderson must be truly awful with 9 HC appearances and over 25 appearances overall counting assistant coach.

Straw man argument. I’ve complimented Anderson as a coach multiple times and wrote that I think he is better than our last two coaches and exponentially better than the one before them. I’m sorry I don’t jiggle his nuts like you do.

He has some obvious shortcomings as a coach and he was just “shit canned” as Tony D would say.

Title: Re: Mike Anderson to Tulsa
Post by: Marillac on December 09, 2019, 03:52:05 PM
No one would have compared the St. John’s job with the Tulsa job 7 years ago. Back then we had a good team with highly rated players. We were winning games and attendance wasn’t an issue.

No one would compare the Tulsa job to the seton hall job now because Willard has done a great job. 7/8 years ago, seton hall wasn’t good. Their attendance and record sucked. Back then someone could make an argument that Tulsa was a better job then seton hall. That won’t be the case as long as Williard is there. 
I hope Anderson is here for a long time. When he leaves, St. John’s will not be in anyway compared to Tulsa

7 years ago Tulsa was dancing with Danny Manning as their coach. We were coming off of the worst 10-year stretch any Big East team had ever endured and we were facing the inevitable destruction of the Big East due to football with the realization that one day the football schools would break away from the rest of the NCAA entirely.

Lavin was already being sh*t on at St. John’s. He should have been extended.
Title: Re: Mike Anderson to Tulsa
Post by: TONYD3 on December 09, 2019, 04:12:02 PM
7 years ago Tulsa was dancing with Danny Manning as their coach. We were coming off of the worst 10-year stretch any Big East team had ever endured and we were facing the inevitable destruction of the Big East due to football with the realization that one day the football schools would break away from the rest of the NCAA entirely.

Lavin was already being sh*t on at St. John’s. He should have been extended.
You realize today you are having a conversation with the few who liked Lavin. All the Lavin haters left the board except foady.
The end of the big east was sad. But it probably saved St. John’s basketball. Our new conference is much fairer. We have a good coach. The only issue is selling tickets. It’s not going to be easy.
Title: Re: Mike Anderson to Tulsa
Post by: Foad on December 09, 2019, 04:31:55 PM
foady.

I hear you went out to Fire Island
And took a shit on the train
You found it difficult wiping yourself
Now your bathing suit has a stain
Well you're in third period study hall
and then the teachers lounge
and then down to the locker room
make sure they're washing
make sure they wash their bums

you're so dumb
i bet you think this post is about you
you're so dumb
you prolly think this post is about you
don't you
don't you
don't you
Title: Re: Mike Anderson to Tulsa
Post by: Marillac on December 09, 2019, 07:33:09 PM
And a guy who can’t recruit built that Missouri team for him!

I have softened my stance on his recruiting. I give him major props for landing Champagnie and moving him to PF. If you can’t tell, I love that kid as a player.

I didn’t like the JUCO big man he signed for next year, but I can see how he would fit now.

The guys he’s recruited have been used well and they have been useful.

I’d like to see some big recruits though. All I want is a reasonable chance to be hopeful of winning a tournament game. Ponds single- handedly gave me that. That’s all I ask as a St. John’s fan. The Mets selling to Cohen have opened up some room for struggles of my other teams.
Title: Re: Mike Anderson to Tulsa
Post by: Marillac on December 09, 2019, 07:38:38 PM
You realize today you are having a conversation with the few who liked Lavin. All the Lavin haters left the board except foady.
The end of the big east was sad. But it probably saved St. John’s basketball. Our new conference is much fairer. We have a good coach. The only issue is selling tickets. It’s not going to be easy.

We both liked Lavin but you act like a child towards Mullin because of it.

He was a flawed and inexperienced coach and his hire was a disgusting and disastrous interference by The Gump, but he did okay here. He wasn’t awful. He wasn’t good. Why can’t you just accept that. You got a 73 on an English Regents exam...that’s basically where Mullin was as a coach.

Title: Re: Mike Anderson to Tulsa
Post by: nudginator59 on December 09, 2019, 09:52:25 PM
We both liked Lavin but you act like a child towards Mullin because of it.

He was a flawed and inexperienced coach and his hire was a disgusting and disastrous interference by The Gump, but he did okay here. He wasn’t awful. He wasn’t good. Why can’t you just accept that. You got a 73 on an English Regents exam...that’s basically where Mullin was as a coach.



As any good parent, Coach, mentor, would say: If only you applied yourself and tried harder you could have done better. If a 73 was the best you could do, than gosh darn it, I would be happy...You have to really ask yourself, did you try as hard you you could?

Now take your millions of dollars, gold medals,  your hall of fame college college and pro career, and go to California and think about how you can approve on things.
Title: Re: Mike Anderson to Tulsa
Post by: Amaseinyourface2 on December 09, 2019, 10:15:55 PM
I have softened my stance on his recruiting. I give him major props for landing Champagnie and moving him to PF. If you can’t tell, I love that kid as a player.

I didn’t like the JUCO big man he signed for next year, but I can see how he would fit now.

The guys he’s recruited have been used well and they have been useful.

I’d like to see some big recruits though. All I want is a reasonable chance to be hopeful of winning a tournament game. Ponds single- handedly gave me that. That’s all I ask as a St. John’s fan. The Mets selling to Cohen have opened up some room for struggles of my other teams.

Champaigne is the man. Have you watched Wusu?

I don’t think Posh can be that guy to singlehandedly lead us like Ponds had the potential to do. But he seems well fit to be a huge help to who ever that guy may be. Hopefully next year it’s Figgy.
Title: Re: Mike Anderson to Tulsa
Post by: Marillac on December 09, 2019, 11:17:20 PM

Tired of hearing about Florida. If you live in a gated community that’s great but every time you pass the gates you are welcomed by awful suburban sprawl and poor infrastructure. A short distance to the beach can take forever due to traffic and lights etc. And the state is unlivable for 4 months when everyone retreats indoors. I winter on the beach in NC where the temps are temperate and the crowds are sparse. NC is full of halfbacks, people who retired to Florida but moved halfway back because they found Florida to be a shithole

The only reason Florida is ever brought up is because Poison has a fascination with mentioning it and has done so in more than 100 responses to me. As if it’s some kind of a knock.

I have no idea what you are talking about with traffic. It’s only ever a concern on 95 during certain hours and it’s still ten times better than NY/NJ and not even comparable to DC or LA.

NC is great. NY is great. Florida is great. I can find the good anywhere. Poison is the one that tries to knock down entire states while being a fan of Haiti and Arkansas of all places.

I try to spend as much of the summer in NY as I can but to say the summer in Florida is unlivable is crazy. Maybe for fat people or those who don’t like to go to the beach or the pool.
Title: Re: Mike Anderson to Tulsa
Post by: Poison on December 10, 2019, 12:06:07 AM
The only reason Florida is ever brought up is because Poison has a fascination with mentioning it and has done so in more than 100 responses to me. As if it’s some kind of a knock.

I have no idea what you are talking about with traffic. It’s only ever a concern on 95 during certain hours and it’s still ten times better than NY/NJ and not even comparable to DC or LA.

NC is great. NY is great. Florida is great. I can find the good anywhere. Poison is the one that tries to knock down entire states while being a fan of Haiti and Arkansas of all places.

I try to spend as much of the summer in NY as I can but to say the summer in Florida is unlivable is crazy. Maybe for fat people or those who don’t like to go to the beach or the pool.


Now we understand. You’re an elderly man.
Title: Re: Mike Anderson to Tulsa
Post by: SJUFAN on December 10, 2019, 02:24:42 AM
he did okay here. He wasn’t awful. He wasn’t good. Why can’t you just accept that. You got a 73 on an English Regents exam...that’s basically where Mullin was as a coach.

Exactly what metric are you using that supports your position that Mullin “did ok here, he wasn’t awful”?

Don’t bother looking because it doesn’t exist. The fact that you equate his performance to that of a C average shows how detached from reality the Mullin supporters really are.

Mullin had one winning season, and one post season tournament. He never had a winning conference record. His conference record of 20-52 is a winning percentage of .278. Even Norms winning percentage (in the old BE) was .314.

He was awful, by any reasonable standard.
Title: Re: Mike Anderson to Tulsa
Post by: SJUFAN on December 10, 2019, 02:38:22 AM
Champaigne is the man. Have you watched Wusu?

I don’t think Posh can be that guy to singlehandedly lead us like Ponds had the potential to do. But he seems well fit to be a huge help to who ever that guy may be. Hopefully next year it’s Figgy.

I’m very bullish on next year and think there is a good chance LJ returns.
Title: Re: Mike Anderson to Tulsa
Post by: SJUFAN on December 10, 2019, 02:50:03 AM
I’d like to see some big recruits though. All I want is a reasonable chance to be hopeful of winning a tournament game.

When you consider the players CMA is bringing in. McGriff, Posh, Wasu, Dunn, and Cole. We haven’t had guard depth like that in years. Through the continued development of Champagnie, Roberts and Steere and we now have a solid nucleus. 2021 and beyond he will need to land a couple of top tier recruits to put us over the top and I believe he will do that.
Title: Re: Mike Anderson to Tulsa
Post by: Poison on December 10, 2019, 08:03:26 AM
When you consider the players CMA is bringing in. McGriff, Posh, Wasu, Dunn, and Cole. We haven’t had guard depth like that in years. Through the continued development of Champagnie, Roberts and Steere and we now have a solid nucleus. 2021 and beyond he will need to land a couple of top tier recruits to put us over the top and I believe he will do that.

Mullin’s strategy for recruiting made certain that we didn’t have depth anywhere. It’s refreshing that CMA doesn’t rely on this transfer garbage. Clearly it hurt us more than it helped us.
Title: Re: Mike Anderson to Tulsa
Post by: TONYD3 on December 10, 2019, 09:36:38 AM
We both liked Lavin but you act like a child towards Mullin because of it.

He was a flawed and inexperienced coach and his hire was a disgusting and disastrous interference by The Gump, but he did okay here. He wasn’t awful. He wasn’t good. Why can’t you just accept that. You got a 73 on an English Regents exam...that’s basically where Mullin was as a coach.


I read this non sense last night and I have been thinking about freshman year earth science all morning. Thanks for that. I remembered a bunch of funny things.
Yes in 1993 I got 76 on my earth science regents. That would be a a C plus. Like Chris mullin I surrounded myself with poor people. We had science class after lunch and my lab partner was wasted drunk everyday by that time. (The school didn’t realize this until March of that year)
Like mullin I didn’t always take my job seriously, like mullin I didn’t do homework. But I was only 13 years old. I had little interest in sedimentary rocks. But I passed the class. 76 is nothing to be proud of but nothing to be embarrassed at either. By the end of the school year my new lab partner was a senior. She was the captain of the cheerleading team. She failed earth science as a freshman and was taking the class over. She was hot. My grade did go up.
If you give coach Mullins a C plus. What would a failing grade look like? He was terrible at every aspect of his job.
Title: Re: Mike Anderson to Tulsa
Post by: carmineabbatiello on December 10, 2019, 11:22:32 AM
He inherited the worst team in the history of the program - being hired very late in the year
(don't know for a fact but think later than CFC was). In 4 short years, he ended up matching the best performance of any St. John's season beginning this century. An opening Ncaa tournament loss.

I give him a "B" and recognize the upwards trajectory he was on.
Title: Re: Mike Anderson to Tulsa
Post by: Amaseinyourface2 on December 10, 2019, 11:24:38 AM
He inherited the worst team in the history of the program - being hired very late in the year
(don't know for a fact but think later than CFC was). In 4 short years, he ended up matching the best performance of any St. John's season beginning this century. An opening Ncaa tournament loss.

I give him a "B" and recognize the upwards trajectory he was on.

Believe you’re wrong. Mullin happened later in the same week Lavin was let go.
Title: Re: Mike Anderson to Tulsa
Post by: TONYD3 on December 10, 2019, 12:27:08 PM
He inherited the worst team in the history of the program - being hired very late in the year
(don't know for a fact but think later than CFC was). In 4 short years, he ended up matching the best performance of any St. John's season beginning this century. An opening Ncaa tournament loss.

I give him a "B" and recognize the upwards trajectory he was on.
How much worse would he have to be to earn a “C”?
Title: Re: Mike Anderson to Tulsa
Post by: PostellFan on December 10, 2019, 12:37:07 PM
I think Anderson is a great coach for this job right now.   It's not at all a desirable job and I think it's Anderson's job to make it more desirable by the time he leaves.  He isn't going to final 4s but he can offer some consistent respectability, which is what the program desperately needs.   Look at Providence and Seton Hall in the new Big East.   Imagine St John's just getting to that level of consistency.  Willard and Cooley are spoken about so highly just for making tournaments.  Neither of them has won shit in the big national sense but they've raised the profile of their programs significantly compared to recent predecessors.  That's all we need Anderson to do and it seems like a task he can accomplish.  Make this job mean something so that good coaches will take a look when it opens up again.  Baby steps.   
Title: Re: Mike Anderson to Tulsa
Post by: Amaseinyourface2 on December 10, 2019, 12:45:29 PM
I think Anderson is a great coach for this job right now.   It's not at all a desirable job and I think it's Anderson's job to make it more desirable by the time he leaves.  He isn't going to final 4s but he can offer some consistent respectability, which is what the program desperately needs.   Look at Providence and Seton Hall in the new Big East.   Imagine St John's just getting to that level of consistency.  Willard and Cooley are spoken about so highly just for making tournaments.  Neither of them has won shit in the big national sense but they've raised the profile of their programs significantly compared to recent predecessors.  That's all we need Anderson to do and it seems like a task he can accomplish.  Make this job mean something so that good coaches will take a look when it opens up again.  Baby steps.   

Great post
Title: Re: Mike Anderson to Tulsa
Post by: SJUFAN on December 10, 2019, 01:32:22 PM
I think Anderson is a great coach for this job right now.   It's not at all a desirable job and I think it's Anderson's job to make it more desirable by the time he leaves.  He isn't going to final 4s but he can offer some consistent respectability, which is what the program desperately needs.   Look at Providence and Seton Hall in the new Big East.   Imagine St John's just getting to that level of consistency.  Willard and Cooley are spoken about so highly just for making tournaments.  Neither of them has won shit in the big national sense but they've raised the profile of their programs significantly compared to recent predecessors.  That's all we need Anderson to do and it seems like a task he can accomplish.  Make this job mean something so that good coaches will take a look when it opens up again.  Baby steps.   

The voice of reason.
Title: Re: Mike Anderson to Tulsa
Post by: TONYD3 on December 10, 2019, 01:43:52 PM
Before mullin we were even with providence and ahead of seton hall.
Title: Re: Mike Anderson to Tulsa
Post by: SJUFAN on December 10, 2019, 01:51:44 PM
He inherited the worst team in the history of the program - being hired very late in the year
(don't know for a fact but think later than CFC was). In 4 short years, he ended up matching the best performance of any St. John's season beginning this century. An opening Ncaa tournament loss.

I give him a "B" and recognize the upwards trajectory he was on.

There is no way that was going to be the team had Lavin been retained. So that team he “inherited” his first year was the team he put together but I’ll cut him some slack year one. What’s the excuse for year 3? That was probably the worst coaching job I have ever seen.
Title: Re: Mike Anderson to Tulsa
Post by: desco80 on December 10, 2019, 05:18:18 PM
Ahh what have I missed lately?    Let me get caught up ...

Harrison, Greene, Jordan, Branch was pretty good guard depth imo.  Epecially because at one point the foursome had experience.

Mullin was a C- as coach.   Reasonable people could disagree and grade him anywhere from a C to a D in my opinion.

No idea how you guys have such strong opinions on Frank Haith.   That's like having a strong opinion on cardboard or a shopping bag.  It exists, it kindve works sometimes, other times not so much.

And I generally agree with Postelfan on Anderson.   This was a shit job, and he's not a shit coach.  So there's a chance something good could come of it.   But unbelievably, the tv idiot and our greatest player ever, combined to leave the program in worst shape than even Norm.  That is a serious accomplishment. 

I got 100 on the Earth Science regents, and Fun's daughter was the hot cheerleader my freshman year.   Just sayin
Title: Re: Mike Anderson to Tulsa
Post by: Marillac on December 10, 2019, 11:04:59 PM
I think Anderson is a great coach for this job right now.   It's not at all a desirable job and I think it's Anderson's job to make it more desirable by the time he leaves.  He isn't going to final 4s but he can offer some consistent respectability, which is what the program desperately needs.   Look at Providence and Seton Hall in the new Big East.   Imagine St John's just getting to that level of consistency.  Willard and Cooley are spoken about so highly just for making tournaments.  Neither of them has won shit in the big national sense but they've raised the profile of their programs significantly compared to recent predecessors.  That's all we need Anderson to do and it seems like a task he can accomplish.  Make this job mean something so that good coaches will take a look when it opens up again.  Baby steps.   

Reasonable. He’s a terrific hire. We can’t expect a better coach after him so I hope he’s here for a decade +. Hes not without flaws, though.

It looks like he will be able to utilize less sought after players to do good things, but imagine how much better we’d be with top 50-100 talent that matches what he wants.
Title: Re: Mike Anderson to Tulsa
Post by: Marillac on December 10, 2019, 11:31:36 PM
There is no way that was going to be the team had Lavin been retained. So that team he “inherited” his first year was the team he put together but I’ll cut him some slack year one. What’s the excuse for year 3? That was probably the worst coaching job I have ever seen.

Why can’t both be true? I agree Lavin would have kept those balls in the air some way. Every college basketball and college football roster is a cesspool that people who haven’t played or coached college can’t even begin to understand. When you fire a coach you risk exposing that dirty laundry.

The lack of supervision and perceived consequences in the transition can only be handled by huge and competent athletic departments.

Brandon Sampson was a top 50-60 recruit. Samir Doughty is better than anyone on our roster now and is averaging 18.5 ppg for 8-0 Auburn (leading scorer by a huge margin) after playing 25 mpg and starting 27 games for a Final Four team last year.

I don’t understand you, Tony D and others feel the need to draw some line in the sand about Mullin because you liked Lavin. So did I.
Title: Re: Mike Anderson to Tulsa
Post by: TONYD3 on December 11, 2019, 07:44:16 AM
Reasonable. He’s a terrific hire. We can’t expect a better coach after him so I hope he’s here for a decade +. Hes not without flaws, though.

It looks like he will be able to utilize less sought after players to do good things, but imagine how much better we’d be with top 50-100 talent that matches what he wants.
Why can’t we get another good coach? I don’t think Anderson leaves for a better job. But eventually he will leave. We just have to make another good hire. That’s what Xavier and butler do.
Title: Re: Mike Anderson to Tulsa
Post by: TONYD3 on December 11, 2019, 07:47:37 AM
Why can’t both be true? I agree Lavin would have kept those balls in the air some way. Every college basketball and college football roster is a cesspool that people who haven’t played or coached college can’t even begin to understand. When you fire a coach you risk exposing that dirty laundry.

The lack of supervision and perceived consequences in the transition can only be handled by huge and competent athletic departments.

Brandon Sampson was a top 50-60 recruit. Samir Doughty is better than anyone on our roster now and is averaging 18.5 ppg for 8-0 Auburn (leading scorer by a huge margin) after playing 25 mpg and starting 27 games for a Final Four team last year.

I don’t understand you, Tony D and others feel the need to draw some line in the sand about Mullin because you liked Lavin. So did I.
I liked Lavin. If I gave him a grade it would be C plus. Norm couldn’t win at queens college. Mullin wouldn’t have either.
Title: Re: Mike Anderson to Tulsa
Post by: desco80 on December 11, 2019, 09:34:56 AM
I count three "I liked Lavin" posts.    Can the moderators please lock this thread?

Lavin created the cesspool that Mullin inherited.   Lavin brought Jordan in, Lavin brought Obekpa in, Lavin brought in the Delarosa boxing Bros.   You guys forget the daily chaos that was the Lavin reign.   Literally game to game you didn't know who would be eligible or benched. 
Plus there was the fact that he didn't know shit about basketball.  Never a good look for a "coach".   
Title: Re: Mike Anderson to Tulsa
Post by: TONYD3 on December 11, 2019, 10:13:45 AM
I count three "I liked Lavin" posts.    Can the moderators please lock this thread?

Lavin created the cesspool that Mullin inherited.   Lavin brought Jordan in, Lavin brought Obekpa in, Lavin brought in the Delarosa boxing Bros.   You guys forget the daily chaos that was the Lavin reign.   Literally game to game you didn't know who would be eligible or benched. 
Plus there was the fact that he didn't know shit about basketball.  Never a good look for a "coach".   
Their were no message boards back in the 80’s. I am sure mullin and Walter Berry always went to class. Alter boys in their free time. No drinking, no fights. Gentleman at all times.
When I think of Steve Lavin. I remember wining games. I remember Dwight hardy and Deangelo Harrison. Sad that you think of the delerosa brothers who played 12 minutes in total.
Title: Re: Mike Anderson to Tulsa
Post by: Poison on December 11, 2019, 10:26:02 AM
I count three "I liked Lavin" posts.    Can the moderators please lock this thread?

Lavin created the cesspool that Mullin inherited.   Lavin brought Jordan in, Lavin brought Obekpa in, Lavin brought in the Delarosa boxing Bros.   You guys forget the daily chaos that was the Lavin reign.   Literally game to game you didn't know who would be eligible or benched. 
Plus there was the fact that he didn't know shit about basketball.  Never a good look for a "coach".   

Some of what happened was 100% on Lavin. Some of it wasn’t.

But seriously, GTFOH if you’re blaming Obekpa’s failed drug test on Lavin. That guy was the best shot blocker we’ve ever had.
Title: Re: Mike Anderson to Tulsa
Post by: desco80 on December 11, 2019, 11:52:40 AM
If you guys don't realize that some of Lavins recruits were headcases that other teams didn't want to touch (like Obekpa) and also brought baggage with them - then I don't know what to tell you.

If it wasn't weed with Obekpa it would've been something else.  Dude was a selfish player a refused to go back into the NIT? Game at Carnesseca.   I forget the opponent.   

Everybody takes risks on recruits.   Lavin took too many and it blew up in his face time and again.   

I will give him credit for working with Dlo though.   For whatever reason Harrison gives Lav a lot of credit.   So there must be an actual relationship there.   

I'm not going to re hash the rest of his tenure.  We're moving on.  Myself included.
I even gave him credit in this post.
Title: Re: Mike Anderson to Tulsa
Post by: carmineabbatiello on December 11, 2019, 11:54:14 AM
I count three "I liked Lavin" posts.    Can the moderators please lock this thread?

Lavin created the cesspool that Mullin inherited.   Lavin brought Jordan in, Lavin brought Obekpa in, Lavin brought in the Delarosa boxing Bros.   You guys forget the daily chaos that was the Lavin reign.   Literally game to game you didn't know who would be eligible or benched. 
Plus there was the fact that he didn't know shit about basketball.  Never a good look for a "coach".   
We don't care about any of that.  2 for 5 on Ncaa tournaments.  A c*nt hair away from 4 for 5.
Title: Re: Mike Anderson to Tulsa
Post by: Poison on December 11, 2019, 12:25:35 PM
If you guys don't realize that some of Lavins recruits were headcases that other teams didn't want to touch (like Obekpa) and also brought baggage with them - then I don't know what to tell you.

If it wasn't weed with Obekpa it would've been something else.  Dude was a selfish player a refused to go back into the NIT? Game at Carnesseca.   I forget the opponent.   

Everybody takes risks on recruits.   Lavin took too many and it blew up in his face time and again.   

I will give him credit for working with Dlo though.   For whatever reason Harrison gives Lav a lot of credit.   So there must be an actual relationship there.   

I'm not going to re hash the rest of his tenure.  We're moving on.  Myself included.
I even gave him credit in this post.

Yes, he absolutely took risks.
People talk about what Mullin was left with. Do you remember how many players Lavin had to replace after his first season?

Lindsay, who quit the team after bricking two free throws against Texas A&M, was a poor choice. Norvelle Pelle, who never played a minute of college basketball, was not a very sound choice.

That said, despite waiting a semester for some relief in the form of Amir Garrett, and losing  Sampson for the year, Lavin still have St.John’s an all time great recruiting class. So great, that it’s star member left for the NBA after one season. That was a killer that couldn’t be overcome, but Lavin did continue to add talented players. He really had a way with people.

Imo, he’s similar to Matt. If Matt was the head coach, and he had Mike Dunlap to run practice, it would work.
Title: Re: Mike Anderson to Tulsa
Post by: SJUFAN on December 11, 2019, 02:37:12 PM
Why can’t both be true?

We don’t say Anderson inherited a mess because he had Heron and LJ. It was said that Heron wasn’t going to return, I don’t really believe that but I can’t dismiss it either. LJ put his name in the transfer portal. This team would look a whole lot different without those two but one can argue that it’s because of Anderson that they are still here. Mullins team his first year was the team he put together and he needs to own it to some extent.

It’s basically about his coaching success and posters are saying his first year isn’t his fault I say look at year three and it shows you he wasn’t much better with a much better roster. So you can’t just blame the roster (which in part is on a Mullin) for his year one record.
Title: Re: Mike Anderson to Tulsa
Post by: Marillac on December 12, 2019, 01:35:47 AM
I count three "I liked Lavin" posts.    Can the moderators please lock this thread?

Lavin created the cesspool that Mullin inherited.   Lavin brought Jordan in, Lavin brought Obekpa in, Lavin brought in the Delarosa boxing Bros.   You guys forget the daily chaos that was the Lavin reign.   Literally game to game you didn't know who would be eligible or benched. 
Plus there was the fact that he didn't know shit about basketball.  Never a good look for a "coach".   

Lock the thread? Relax Stalin. If you don’t think every basketball player smokes pot you are astonishingly naive. An NCAA drug test is not a test for drugs...it’s an IQ test. Only an idiot could fail.

The coverup ability of some major college athletic programs and campus police is truly astonishing. The same sh*t happens everywhere.
Title: Re: Mike Anderson to Tulsa
Post by: Marillac on December 12, 2019, 01:46:46 AM
We don’t say Anderson inherited a mess because he had Heron and LJ. It was said that Heron wasn’t going to return, I don’t really believe that but I can’t dismiss it either. LJ put his name in the transfer portal. This team would look a whole lot different without those two but one can argue that it’s because of Anderson that they are still here. Mullins team his first year was the team he put together and he needs to own it to some extent.

It’s basically about his coaching success and posters are saying his first year isn’t his fault I say look at year three and it shows you he wasn’t much better with a much better roster. So you can’t just blame the roster (which in part is on a Mullin) for his year one record.

We dont say Anderson inherited a mess because he didn’t inherit a mess. Why is this so difficult?

LJ didn’t stay because of Anderson. He stayed because he would have had to sit out a year to transfer and his clear intention was to be a pro after this season. He’s already sat out a year and did a prep year.

Anderson wouldn’t have managed the mess Mullin walked into any better.
Title: Re: Mike Anderson to Tulsa
Post by: TONYD3 on December 12, 2019, 09:09:04 AM
We dont say Anderson inherited a mess because he didn’t inherit a mess. Why is this so difficult?

LJ didn’t stay because of Anderson. He stayed because he would have had to sit out a year to transfer and his clear intention was to be a pro after this season. He’s already sat out a year and did a prep year.

Anderson wouldn’t have managed the mess Mullin walked into any better.
Their was no mess. We had a coach. The novice should have kept his mouth shut.
Title: Re: Mike Anderson to Tulsa
Post by: BannerMountainMan on December 12, 2019, 10:52:01 AM
We dont say Anderson inherited a mess because he didn’t inherit a mess. Why is this so difficult?

LJ didn’t stay because of Anderson. He stayed because he would have had to sit out a year to transfer and his clear intention was to be a pro after this season. He’s already sat out a year and did a prep year.

Anderson wouldn’t have managed the mess Mullin walked into any better.
He absolutely would of. Anderson walked in an absolutely horrible mess when he came to Arkansas, and took them to 18-14 even with the only good player left broke his left and was out the rest of the season after the first week.
Title: Re: Mike Anderson to Tulsa
Post by: SJUFAN on December 12, 2019, 12:13:36 PM
We dont say Anderson inherited a mess because he didn’t inherit a mess. Why is this so difficult?

LJ didn’t stay because of Anderson. He stayed because he would have had to sit out a year to transfer and his clear intention was to be a pro after this season. He’s already sat out a year and did a prep year.

Anderson wouldn’t have managed the mess Mullin walked into any better.

At the end of the day what he inherited was a roster that was picked to finish last. It may not be a mess, but it’s pretty bad.

The fact that LJ put his name in the transfer portal tells you he was considering sitting out a year. I’m not sold that he doesn’t return for his senior year.
Title: Re: Mike Anderson to Tulsa
Post by: RedStormNC on December 12, 2019, 07:02:35 PM
If Anderson keeps his streak after the season, he'll owe some of it to Mullin for the schedule.
Title: Re: Mike Anderson to Tulsa
Post by: Redy2Rumble on December 12, 2019, 07:18:49 PM
If Anderson keeps his streak after the season, he'll owe some of it to Mullin for the schedule.

Mullin didn't make this schedule. Only Arizona and the preseason tourney's were on there... The better teams on the schedule.
Title: Re: Mike Anderson to Tulsa
Post by: Redy2Rumble on December 12, 2019, 07:24:30 PM
At the end of the day what he inherited was a roster that was picked to finish last. It may not be a mess, but it’s pretty bad.

The fact that LJ put his name in the transfer portal tells you he was considering sitting out a year. I’m not sold that he doesn’t return for his senior year.

Mustapha Heron,LJ, Figeuroa, Ian Steere, Greg Williams, Josh Roberts, David Caraher, Marcellus Earlington.

Amar Alibegozic, Felix Balamou, Christian Jones.

What roster are you taking?
Title: Re: Mike Anderson to Tulsa
Post by: Poison on December 12, 2019, 08:32:30 PM
Mustapha Heron,LJ, Figeuroa, Ian Steere, Greg Williams, Josh Roberts, David Caraher, Marcellus Earlington.

Amar Alibegozic, Felix Balamou, Christian Jones.

What roster are you taking?

If you go to the grocery store and buy all of the ingredients and then your wife cooks you a delicious dinner, you get some of the credit, too.

So does Coach Mullin.
Title: Re: Mike Anderson to Tulsa
Post by: JohnnyJungle on December 12, 2019, 11:33:34 PM
I think Anderson is a great coach for this job right now.   It's not at all a desirable job and I think it's Anderson's job to make it more desirable by the time he leaves.  He isn't going to final 4s but he can offer some consistent respectability, which is what the program desperately needs.   Look at Providence and Seton Hall in the new Big East.   Imagine St John's just getting to that level of consistency.  Willard and Cooley are spoken about so highly just for making tournaments.  Neither of them has won shit in the big national sense but they've raised the profile of their programs significantly compared to recent predecessors.  That's all we need Anderson to do and it seems like a task he can accomplish.  Make this job mean something so that good coaches will take a look when it opens up again.  Baby steps.   

Both Cooley and Willard have won Big East Championships too. I'd say they've done a lot.
Title: Re: Mike Anderson to Tulsa
Post by: JohnnyJungle on December 12, 2019, 11:37:11 PM
I count three "I liked Lavin" posts.    Can the moderators please lock this thread?

Lavin created the cesspool that Mullin inherited.   Lavin brought Jordan in, Lavin brought Obekpa in, Lavin brought in the Delarosa boxing Bros.   You guys forget the daily chaos that was the Lavin reign.   Literally game to game you didn't know who would be eligible or benched. 
Plus there was the fact that he didn't know shit about basketball.  Never a good look for a "coach".   

Bad take here. St. John's is not a blue blood, you need to roll the dice sometimes. The players Lav brought in far outweighed the players that didn't pan out.

There were a lot of teams in Big East who tried to get Jordan and Obekpa too.
Title: Re: Mike Anderson to Tulsa
Post by: SJUFAN on December 12, 2019, 11:58:10 PM
Mustapha Heron,LJ, Figeuroa, Ian Steere, Greg Williams, Josh Roberts, David Caraher, Marcellus Earlington.

Amar Alibegozic, Felix Balamou, Christian Jones.

What roster are you taking?

Are you asking if I would take the roster that was picked to finish in last place which has 8 players on it over a roster that was picked to finish in last placed which has 3 players on it?
Title: Re: Mike Anderson to Tulsa
Post by: Mullins Revenge on December 13, 2019, 09:29:23 AM
This board loves arguing over old coaches.  My goodness.
Title: Re: Mike Anderson to Tulsa
Post by: prjohnnies on December 13, 2019, 10:45:48 AM
I’m with you here by and large. With the exception of Mo’s first year, Lavin’s teams had some good quality depth and some very nice talent until D-lo’s senior year. The 13-14 team had great depth - how that team failed to make the tourney and go beyond is nuts and was the biggest indictment on his coaching.

The issue with Lavin was that he didn’t seem all that interested towards the end of his tenure, the coaching overall, the constant drama/turmoil, and failing to recruit a bench for D-Lo and Dom’s senior year because if they had one the team could have done much better.



Bad take here. St. John's is not a blue blood, you need to roll the dice sometimes. The players Lav brought in far outweighed the players that didn't pan out.

There were a lot of teams in Big East who tried to get Jordan and Obekpa too.
Title: Re: Mike Anderson to Tulsa
Post by: TONYD3 on December 13, 2019, 11:11:23 AM
I’m with you here by and large. With the exception of Mo’s first year, Lavin’s teams had some good quality depth and some very nice talent until D-lo’s senior year. The 13-14 team had great depth - how that team failed to make the tourney and go beyond is nuts and was the biggest indictment on his coaching.

The issue with Lavin was that he didn’t seem all that interested towards the end of his tenure, the coaching overall, the constant drama/turmoil, and failing to recruit a bench for D-Lo and Dom’s senior year because if they had one the team could have done much better.



That’s not what happened. Lavin coached a great season. The team started off terribly. From memory we were 0-5 in conference. From mid January through the end of February we were one of the best teams in the country.
At the time I blamed Lavin for the early season losses. It was his fault. That team tried to play the worst zone that I can I ever remember seeing. I assumed he started listening to whitesail. The team started playing much better defense and won plenty of games.
Title: Re: Mike Anderson to Tulsa
Post by: prjohnnies on December 13, 2019, 12:51:06 PM
I think that team massively underachieved.  A roster of Sheed, D-Lo, Greene, Sampson, Obekpa, Sanchez, Branch, Dom and Gift in the new Big East should have sailed into the tournament and been a threat to win a few games.  Should have never started off as badly as we did.  And even with that had the chance to win what was basically a play-in game against Providence in the first round of the BE tourney (I sat almost court side for that one).  Got our doors blown off early, made the furious comeback only to have Sampson miss that bunny.  Then of course the Robert Morris debacle.


That’s not what happened. Lavin coached a great season. The team started off terribly. From memory we were 0-5 in conference. From mid January through the end of February we were one of the best teams in the country.
At the time I blamed Lavin for the early season losses. It was his fault. That team tried to play the worst zone that I can I ever remember seeing. I assumed he started listening to whitesail. The team started playing much better defense and won plenty of games.
Title: Re: Mike Anderson to Tulsa
Post by: TONYD3 on December 13, 2019, 01:15:44 PM
I think that team massively underachieved.  A roster of Sheed, D-Lo, Greene, Sampson, Obekpa, Sanchez, Branch, Dom and Gift in the new Big East should have sailed into the tournament and been a threat to win a few games.  Should have never started off as badly as we did.  And even with that had the chance to win what was basically a play-in game against Providence in the first round of the BE tourney (I sat almost court side for that one).  Got our doors blown off early, made the furious comeback only to have Sampson miss that bunny.  Then of course the Robert Morris debacle.


That team should have achieved much more. No doubt about it. We had a good team that didn’t gel early in the season. Plenty disappointing. Still it was plenty fun.
Title: Re: Mike Anderson to Tulsa
Post by: prjohnnies on December 13, 2019, 02:02:32 PM
There were some fun games that year.  It was certainly better than being at the bottom of the league.  But that was probably the most disappointed I was in any of the Lavin years.  Year 1 was awesome; year 2 was expected to be a rebuild and there were some nice young players you could project on; year 3 was somewhat disappointing because of the D-Lo stuff but we were still in the old Big East (I think) so my expectations were calibrated.  Year 5 was fun because of Dom's emergence, some nice W's and getting to see that senior group finish their career by getting into the dance.  Year 4 always nagged at me because that team had everything you need at the college level to be very good; two ball handlers, shot makers, insane athleticism, size, rebounding/shot blocking ability, and depth all over.  I think our current coach would have done some damage with that roster, although it goes back to whether he and the staff had the recruiting chops to get the talent we had on that team (TBD).
Title: Re: Mike Anderson to Tulsa
Post by: JohnnyJungle on December 13, 2019, 02:07:39 PM
I’m with you here by and large. With the exception of Mo’s first year, Lavin’s teams had some good quality depth and some very nice talent until D-lo’s senior year. The 13-14 team had great depth - how that team failed to make the tourney and go beyond is nuts and was the biggest indictment on his coaching.

The issue with Lavin was that he didn’t seem all that interested towards the end of his tenure, the coaching overall, the constant drama/turmoil, and failing to recruit a bench for D-Lo and Dom’s senior year because if they had one the team could have done much better.




I don't think you're wrong. I think there was a combo of things on his end and on school's end that could have been done to reenergize and right the ship
Title: Re: Mike Anderson to Tulsa
Post by: Jon Snow on February 03, 2020, 07:15:09 AM
Quote from Coach MA’s son “Never doubt @Iron_MikeMA. His track record speaks for itself.

Ignore the noise. Good win for Pops! First of many. #SJUBB 💪👊”

Mike loves NY, his PG (wife) especially loves NY, she’s a big fan of stylish clothes and fast living, he’s gong to try to build a successful program here, there’s only two options that’s going to happen- he’s either going to retire here or he’s going to be fired after 3-4 years if he hasn’t made the tourney yet.

There is a fire lit under him by being fired from his dream school and St. John’s is going to get every last ounce out of him to try to build a winner because he wants to show Arkansas and their fans that they made a big mistake.

What's Arkansas' record?
Title: Re: Mike Anderson to Tulsa
Post by: Marillac on February 03, 2020, 11:49:56 AM
What's Arkansas' record?

I know that was rhetorical, but I’ll answer anyway. They are an impressive 16-5 heading into their home contest with #17 Auburn, who is led in scoring by former St. John’s commitment, Samir Doughty.

Arkansas made the best decision in decades by firing Anderson and hiring a stud like Musselman. He’s clearly a few notches up.

The maniacs on our forum will lead you to believe that all of the improvements Arkansas has shown at the team and player level are due to Anderson. All of them. That is how we operate here. It’s all or nothing.
Title: Re: Mike Anderson to Tulsa
Post by: Amaseinyourface2 on February 03, 2020, 12:24:27 PM


Arkansas made the best decision in decades by firing Anderson and hiring a stud like Musselman. He’s clearly a few notches up.

The maniacs on our forum will lead you to believe that all of the improvements Arkansas has shown at the team and player level are due to Anderson. All of them. That is how we operate here. It’s all or nothing.

Best decision in decades? Wheres the nuance? Can anyone show marillac some middle ground?

The guy anderson replaced (Pelphrey) had an overall winning % of .539 and a conference winning % of .391. The guy Pelphrey replaced (Haith) had an overall winning % of .536 and a conference winning % of .388.

Anderson while at Arkansas had an overall winning % of .624 and a conference winning % of .549.
Title: Re: Mike Anderson to Tulsa
Post by: Johnny23 on February 03, 2020, 12:52:48 PM
Mackillac preaches middle ground yet at the same time wants to peg anyone who thinks Mike Anderson is building something here as an extreme poster. A walking double standard.
Title: Re: Mike Anderson to Tulsa
Post by: SJUFAN on February 03, 2020, 01:13:58 PM
Mackillac preaches middle ground yet at the same time wants to peg anyone who thinks Mike Anderson is building something here as an extreme poster. A walking double standard.

Classic projectionist.
Title: Re: Mike Anderson to Tulsa
Post by: Johnny23 on February 03, 2020, 01:38:10 PM
Classic projectionist.

Big time.
Title: Re: Mike Anderson to Tulsa
Post by: sju61982 on February 03, 2020, 02:49:30 PM
There were some fun games that year.  It was certainly better than being at the bottom of the league.  But that was probably the most disappointed I was in any of the Lavin years.  Year 1 was awesome; year 2 was expected to be a rebuild and there were some nice young players you could project on; year 3 was somewhat disappointing because of the D-Lo stuff but we were still in the old Big East (I think) so my expectations were calibrated.  Year 5 was fun because of Dom's emergence, some nice W's and getting to see that senior group finish their career by getting into the dance.  Year 4 always nagged at me because that team had everything you need at the college level to be very good; two ball handlers, shot makers, insane athleticism, size, rebounding/shot blocking ability, and depth all over.  I think our current coach would have done some damage with that roster, although it goes back to whether he and the staff had the recruiting chops to get the talent we had on that team (TBD).

It took until just around now for Sampson and Sanchez to co-exist that season.  They were getting in each other's way a lot.  In fact, one usually dominated when the other was not on the floor.  They got better at it towards the second half of the conference season, but their games were too similar, IMO.

Also, towards the end of the previous year, Dom got in that fight at Notre Dame. I believe he was asked by the coaches to tone down his emotions, and that wound up having a negative impact on his overall game.  The following year, he tripped a teammate (I forget who) at the open practice, and got a T early in the year, for throwing the ball in the direction of an opposing player, on the bench.  It was almost like the old fire was back.  I think, to get the most out of Dom, you had to live with moments like that.

Title: Re: Mike Anderson to Tulsa
Post by: Marillac on February 03, 2020, 08:17:33 PM
Classic projectionist.

You can catch me at the AMC Theatre in Times Square tonight.

Title: Re: Mike Anderson to Tulsa
Post by: Marillac on February 03, 2020, 08:18:45 PM
Mackillac preaches middle ground yet at the same time wants to peg anyone who thinks Mike Anderson is building something here as an extreme poster. A walking double standard.

I’m sure that’s not the first time you’ve been pegged.
Title: Re: Mike Anderson to Tulsa
Post by: SJUFAN on February 04, 2020, 12:06:23 AM
You can catch me at the AMC Theatre in Times Square tonight.

You should keep your public restroom stall exploitations to yourself, this is a family friendly forum.
Title: Re: Mike Anderson to Tulsa
Post by: Marillac on February 04, 2020, 02:25:31 AM
You should keep your public restroom stall exploitations to yourself, this is a family friendly forum.

#TheErectionProjection

Title: Re: Mike Anderson to Tulsa
Post by: Marillac on February 04, 2020, 02:35:18 AM
Best decision in decades? Wheres the nuance? Can anyone show marillac some middle ground?

The guy anderson replaced (Pelphrey) had an overall winning % of .539 and a conference winning % of .391. The guy Pelphrey replaced (Haith) had an overall winning % of .536 and a conference winning % of .388.

Anderson while at Arkansas had an overall winning % of .624 and a conference winning % of .549.

Hiring a man you eventually fire doesn’t seem like a good decision at big time program. Arkansas is pretty damn close to a blue blood. They are one of just 15 schools to win a national championship since 1990.

Musselman is a stud. My only concern would be him leaving for the NBA.

Pelphrey was awful and certainly worse than Anderson.
Title: Re: Mike Anderson to Tulsa
Post by: Amaseinyourface2 on February 04, 2020, 07:44:34 AM
Hiring a man you eventually fire doesn’t seem like a good decision at big time program. Arkansas is pretty damn close to a blue blood. They are one of just 15 schools to win a national championship since 1990.

Musselman is a stud. My only concern would be him leaving for the NBA.

Pelphrey was awful and certainly worse than Anderson.

You explicitly made it about more than just the hiring of Musselman. That was my issue.

Title: Re: Mike Anderson to Tulsa
Post by: Marillac on March 29, 2021, 01:51:11 AM
I know that was rhetorical, but I’ll answer anyway. They are an impressive 16-5 heading into their home contest with #17 Auburn, who is led in scoring by former St. John’s commitment, Samir Doughty.

Arkansas made the best decision in decades by firing Anderson and hiring a stud like Musselman. He’s clearly a few notches up.

The maniacs on our forum will lead you to believe that all of the improvements Arkansas has shown at the team and player level are due to Anderson. All of them. That is how we operate here. It’s all or nothing.

This aged well, Marillac.
Title: Re: Mike Anderson to Tulsa
Post by: Amaseinyourface2 on March 29, 2021, 05:40:26 AM
Good job on this one. Still think CMA is two and done at sju?
Title: Re: Mike Anderson to Tulsa
Post by: Razor red on April 03, 2021, 10:29:52 AM
I really don't think Mike is a hot commodity on the coaching search fronts,  St Jonhs will be able to keep him as long as he is wanted I beleive.
Title: Re: Mike Anderson to Tulsa
Post by: JohnnyJungle on April 03, 2021, 12:07:56 PM
Good job on this one. Still think CMA is two and done at sju?

You realize where there is smoke there is fire but fires don't burn forever. Things change.
Title: Re: Mike Anderson to Tulsa
Post by: Amaseinyourface2 on April 03, 2021, 01:41:36 PM
You realize where there is smoke there is fire but fires don't burn forever. Things change.

I literally can
Title: Re: Mike Anderson to Tulsa
Post by: Marillac on April 08, 2021, 01:21:24 PM
Good job on this one. Still think CMA is two and done at sju?

Not after these two years.  If he won a tournament game this year, I'd think he'd be a goner. His age will likely keep him here after next season.  Who wants to hire a guy that will be turning 63 next year?
Title: Re: Mike Anderson to Tulsa
Post by: Razor red on April 10, 2021, 11:02:14 AM
Anderson's best shot at a power 5 school would be Missouri, he had a good streak there, cunzo is no longer a fan favorite an I expect he could lose his job after next season, if Anderson some how has a reallly decent season then he may be a candidate there, I  just dont see many university's knocking the door down to hire Anderson. Mike more than likely retires in a year or two if he don't get it done here, I doubt he does.
Title: Re: Mike Anderson to Tulsa
Post by: Johnny23 on May 13, 2021, 12:37:33 PM
Anderson's best shot at a power 5 school would be Missouri, he had a good streak there, cunzo is no longer a fan favorite an I expect he could lose his job after next season, if Anderson some how has a reallly decent season then he may be a candidate there, I  just dont see many university's knocking the door down to hire Anderson. Mike more than likely retires in a year or two if he don't get it done here, I doubt he does.

As I've said many times before Anderson isn't going anywhere. The winning has just begun. 6 year extension here. Enjoy.

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/31438792/st-john-men-basketball-coach-mike-anderson-gets-6-year-extension-2026-27-season
Title: Re: Mike Anderson to Tulsa
Post by: goredmen on May 13, 2021, 06:57:57 PM
As I've said many times before Anderson isn't going anywhere. The winning has just begun. 6 year extension here. Enjoy.

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/31438792/st-john-men-basketball-coach-mike-anderson-gets-6-year-extension-2026-27-season

Though I agree Anderson isn't going anywhere, extensions don't really mean much in that sense. Plenty of times coaches have still gotten fired or left shortly after agreeing to an extension
Title: Re: Mike Anderson to Tulsa
Post by: Celtics11 on May 13, 2021, 08:05:30 PM
Though I agree Anderson isn't going anywhere, extensions don't really mean much in that sense. Plenty of times coaches have still gotten fired or left shortly after agreeing to an extension
On St. John's end it depends on what the negotiated buy out terms are as we aren't in the habit of eating too much money.
Title: Re: Mike Anderson to Tulsa
Post by: Johnny23 on May 14, 2021, 03:52:35 PM
Though I agree Anderson isn't going anywhere, extensions don't really mean much in that sense. Plenty of times coaches have still gotten fired or left shortly after agreeing to an extension

No doubt but the extension is still an encouraging sign that the program's on better footing.
Title: Re: Mike Anderson to Tulsa
Post by: jr49 on May 16, 2021, 03:59:46 PM
Not after these two years.  If he won a tournament game this year, I'd think he'd be a goner. His age will likely keep him here after next season.  Who wants to hire a guy that will be turning 63 next year?
Iona.
Title: Re: Mike Anderson to Tulsa
Post by: sju89tr on May 17, 2021, 01:38:03 PM
Ive been a St Johns fan for over 40 years and alumnus. We need to get off our high horse. We are no longer an elite program and should not be complaining about Iron Mike. Maybe he gets us to a higher level or maybe we stay as a possible middle of the road big east school going forward, He hasnt recruited great but kids have developed. Im not dissatisfied with what I have seen in his 2 years.     
Title: Re: Mike Anderson to Tulsa
Post by: carmineabbatiello on May 17, 2021, 01:54:13 PM
The winning has just begun. 
I think what you meant to say is that "The winning is going to begin".  Because thus far he hasn't won anything.  He's 0 for 2.
Title: Re: Mike Anderson to Tulsa
Post by: Johnny23 on May 18, 2021, 10:06:59 AM
I think what you meant to say is that "The winning is going to begin".  Because thus far he hasn't won anything.  He's 0 for 2.

First winning season in the BE since '14-'15. Finished 4th in the BE when picked to finish 9th.

That's called exceeding expectations. How do you do that? By winning. Like I said, it's just begun.

Title: Re: Mike Anderson to Tulsa
Post by: carmineabbatiello on May 19, 2021, 05:55:52 AM
First winning season in the BE since '14-'15. Finished 4th in the BE when picked to finish 9th.

That's called exceeding expectations. How do you do that? By winning. Like I said, it's just begun.


Yeah, NIT bids that we don't accept  We're really soaring now.
Title: Re: Mike Anderson to Tulsa
Post by: gonzalo on May 22, 2021, 07:37:54 AM
Yeah, NIT bids that we don't accept  We're really soaring now.

If Mullin was a good coach, why he has not been a candidate for any of these schools?

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/30942920/college-basketball-coaching-changes-2021-22
Title: Re: Mike Anderson to Tulsa
Post by: Foad on May 22, 2021, 04:48:04 PM
If Mullin was a good coach, why he has not been a candidate for any of these schools?

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/30942920/college-basketball-coaching-changes-2021-22

I sign on to this stupid website for the first time in months and the stupid still hurts.

The answer to your stupid question is that: because Chris Mullin is a HOF basketball player who's not interested in any of those jobs, see stupid? Do you think if Chris Mullin applied for the Fordham or Hofstra head coaching job they'd turn him down? I realize you're stupid, but are you that completely stupid?

Obviously that was a rhetorical question, because you are. That stupid I mean.
Title: Re: Mike Anderson to Tulsa
Post by: goredmen on May 24, 2021, 10:24:16 AM
Do you think if Chris Mullin applied for the Fordham or Hofstra head coaching job they'd turn him down?

The answer to this question is yes, they would turn him down.
Title: Re: Mike Anderson to Tulsa
Post by: Marillac on March 25, 2022, 01:22:14 PM
I know that was rhetorical, but I’ll answer anyway. They are an impressive 16-5 heading into their home contest with #17 Auburn, who is led in scoring by former St. John’s commitment, Samir Doughty.

Arkansas made the best decision in decades by firing Anderson and hiring a stud like Musselman. He’s clearly a few notches up.

The maniacs on our forum will lead you to believe that all of the improvements Arkansas has shown at the team and player level are due to Anderson. All of them. That is how we operate here. It’s all or nothing.

Great job here, Marillac.