6th Man of St. John's Basketball
St. John's Red Storm => In The Jungle... => Topic started by: slyfoxx1968 on March 24, 2013, 03:45:26 PM
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We are seeing first hand in these NCAA'S that having decently skilled basketball players, excellent coaching in game and out and, a team able to play defense can go far. Plus, at least one player who can shoot.
You need to have players whose skills are complimentary to each other and everyone knows their roles.
I think we've seen too much has been made of player's athletic abilities and, not basketball skills.College basketball isn't a AAU game and no points are granted for leaping ability or soaring thru the air.
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We are seeing first hand in these NCAA'S that having decently skilled basketball players, excellent coaching in game and out and, a team able to play defense can go far. Plus, at least one player who can shoot.
You need to have players whose skills are complimentary to each other and everyone knows their roles.
I think we've seen too much has been made of player's athletic abilities and, not basketball skills.College basketball isn't a AAU game and no points are granted for leaping ability or soaring thru the air.
Amen Foxx!
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Also a lot of 4 year players
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In my mind "extremely athletic" recruits are becoming akin to 5-tool baseball prospects. Highly touted, rarely pan out, and aren't good at the specific skills required to succeed in that sport.
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We are seeing first hand in these NCAA'S that having decently skilled basketball players, excellent coaching in game and out and, a team able to play defense can go far. Plus, at least one player who can shoot.
You need to have players whose skills are complimentary to each other and everyone knows their roles.
I think we've seen too much has been made of player's athletic abilities and, not basketball skills.College basketball isn't a AAU game and no points are granted for leaping ability or soaring thru the air.
It is very important to get complimentary pieces. We have too many players w the same skill set.
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I thought this thread was about Temple when I first saw it just now.
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In my mind "extremely athletic" recruits are becoming akin to 5-tool baseball prospects. Highly touted, rarely pan out, and aren't good at the specific skills required to succeed in that sport.
We need some three tool players. Pass, dribble and shoot.
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In my mind "extremely athletic" recruits are becoming akin to 5-tool baseball prospects. Highly touted, rarely pan out, and aren't good at the specific skills required to succeed in that sport.
We need some three tool players. Pass, dribble and shoot.
Our guys can dribble :)
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In my mind "extremely athletic" recruits are becoming akin to 5-tool baseball prospects. Highly touted, rarely pan out, and aren't good at the specific skills required to succeed in that sport.
We need some three tool players. Pass, dribble and shoot.
Just give me the last one and call it a day!
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I'm a younger fan, so I wonder...have you guys witnessed any worse shooting teams than this one ever in our history? I mean how much worse can it get? This team is alarmingly consistent in the 10-15% 3PT shooting and 33-35% FG%.
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I'm a younger fan, so I wonder...have you guys witnessed any worse shooting teams than this one ever in our history? I mean how much worse can it get? This team is alarmingly consistent in the 10-15% 3PT shooting and 33-35% FG%.
The 1926 Johnnies averaged only 10 points a game on 20% shooting.
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if there are any worse...i can't remember.
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Are we a good shooting team? Obviously we're not.
But I have more of a problem with our lack of ball movement and execution than anything else.
UVA wasn't firing away from the perimeter. They scored more points in the paint than us (34-26). Scored more points off transition than us (8-2). And they got to the line a lot more (24 fts to our 10).
I know we can't control the officiating, but everything else is on us. We're supposed to be the more athletic team and the one playing high intensity defense.
Our game is not Amir sizing a defender up from 18ft and taking a jumpshot.
You don't need great shooters if you score in transition, drive to the basket, and get to the line. That's supposed to be our recipe, and yet our opponents did it a lot better today.
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Are we a good shooting team? Obviously we're not.
But I have more of a problem with our lack of ball movement and execution than anything else.
UVA wasn't firing away from the perimeter. They scored more points in the paint then us (34-26). Scored more points off transition than us (8-2). And they got to the line a lot more (24 fts to our 10).
I know we can't control the officiating, but everything else is on us. We're supposed to be the more athletic team and the one playing high intensity defense.
Our game is not Amir sizing a defender up from 18ft and taking a jumpshot.
You don't need great shooters if you score in transition, drive to the basket, and get to the line. That's supposed to be our recipe, and yet our opponents did it a lot better today.
Agree 100%
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The only problem, Desco, is that when team know that you can't hit a jumper, they pack it inside and take everything else away.
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The only problem, Desco, is that when team know that you can't hit a jumper, they pack it inside and take everything else away.
I'm with you, I understand. Easier said than done.
I just think our game-plan has to start with penetration and quicker ball movement. If defenses had to collapse around Branch/Greene, then I think our shooting might look a little better.
But I know it works both ways. If we hit a few more shots then defenses would have to play tighter and it'd be easier to to the rim.
Either way, mission 1, 2 and 3 for this summer has to be running half court sets as much as possible.
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Are we a good shooting team? Obviously we're not.
But I have more of a problem with our lack of ball movement and execution than anything else.
UVA wasn't firing away from the perimeter. They scored more points in the paint than us (34-26). Scored more points off transition than us (8-2). And they got to the line a lot more (24 fts to our 10).
I know we can't control the officiating, but everything else is on us. We're supposed to be the more athletic team and the one playing high intensity defense.
Our game is not Amir sizing a defender up from 18ft and taking a jumpshot.
You don't need great shooters if you score in transition, drive to the basket, and get to the line. That's supposed to be our recipe, and yet our opponents did it a lot better today.
Completely agree. Also for a very athletic team we dont run a very good fast break
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I'm a younger fan, so I wonder...have you guys witnessed any worse shooting teams than this one ever in our history? I mean how much worse can it get? This team is alarmingly consistent in the 10-15% 3PT shooting and 33-35% FG%.
Norm Roberts' first few years saw some dismal shooting... 2005-06 we shot 26% from 3pt, 41% from field...
Everyone continues to say we need shooters and that is certainly valid but something that I believe many are missing and what every other team that advanced has, is a low post presence.... This is the first St. John's team that I can remember that has absolutely no low post presence... we need a big man who can play with his back to the rim... Even in the Jarvis/Roberts years we had someone who could do that (Anthony Glover, Lamont Hamilton, Justin Brownlee) and for some reason our bigs don't do that now...
Aside from heart and great team play, it is my opinion that the 2010-11 team made their run because they had at least one good low post option (Brownlee) and one good 3 point option (Hardy)...
Can Obekpa turn into this low post threat? Maybe Sanchez? Hope so....
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you guys haven't been watching Florida gulf coast have you? ALL ATHLETES. Same with San Diego State
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you guys haven't been watching Florida gulf coast have you? ALL ATHLETES. Same with San Diego State
Better spacing and PG heady play, at least in FGCU case IMO.
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FGCU runs like they were born too, and they finish everything.
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The thing about FGCU is that these are basketball players who are also very athletic..The skills they are exhibiting make our guys look like the disorganized rabble
they are.
And, suffice to say it, they are very well coached by Andy..FGCU has players whose skills fit with one another. Shannon Brown is unwordly and Comer is dazzling as a PG. TV commentators said he grew up with Austin Rivers and was nurtured by Doc in the off season. You can see his game has flair and he uses either hand deceptively. He and Brown are electric in the open Court and surprise, surprise FGCU'S 2 white guys have a lot of hop in their game too! I think it's Fieler and the other guy, who's name I forget. Some of their dunks are highlight material, for any level of play.
They will give Florida a good game and since they've already beaten Miami, may become the Florida Champions as well as, NCAA CHAMPIONS.
I bet too, none of these kids were Top 100 players that colleges fell all over? Brown, I think had to almost beg to get some other teams to look at him, before he landed with the Eagles.
How did we ever beat them early in the season? We surely couldn't give them a game now.
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Funny how guys see a team during a hot streak and extrapolate that to the Nth degree. They are a decent team, with good players, who are playing well. After we beat them, no one was calling them great basketball players who are also athletes. They didn't even win their conference's regular season title. Relax.
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Guys we need a true point a skilled center and a replacement for deAngelo if he doesn't come back. That's it
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Guys we need a true point a skilled center and a replacement for deAngelo if he doesn't come back. That's it
Love your posts, but that's quite a list.
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Funny how guys see a team during a hot streak and extrapolate that to the Nth degree. They are a decent team, with good players, who are playing well. After we beat them, no one was calling them great basketball players who are also athletes. They didn't even win their conference's regular season title. Relax.
We beat them before they knew how good they were and before we knew how bad we had become (especially w/o Dlo).
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In my opinion Dunlap was the statistician and got a raw deal with no players. :-\
He (Dunlap) bolted for the NBA with Harkless :'(
Lavin has been loyal to people he stands by ::)
Harrison Becomes a Full blown Pariah :idiot2:
Fanbase get's a product Substandard Once again. :-[
Play it Again Sam! I mean Lavs!
"Youngest team in America"
;)
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Guys we need a true point a skilled center and a replacement for deAngelo if he doesn't come back. That's it
We have the radio and the cigarette lighter and now all we need to fix up the car is the engine, the transmission, and a couple of tires.
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Guys we need a true point a skilled center and a replacement for deAngelo if he doesn't come back. That's it
We have the radio and the cigarette lighter and now all we need to fix up the car is the engine, the transmission, and a couple of tires.
What about a mechanic who can put it together for the driver and fix it when it breaks down?
p.s. make sure it's an automatic transmission with maximum horsepower and the appropriate spare parts.
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Guys we need a true point a skilled center and a replacement for deAngelo if he doesn't come back. That's it
Is that all?
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We're better than FGCoast. Didn't you see the game?
They were impressive at Alumni though.
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Guys we need a true point a skilled center and a replacement for deAngelo if he doesn't come back. That's it
If we do land those 3 players, that means at least 3 players on our team will not be returning.