6th Man of St. John's Basketball
St. John's Red Storm => In The Jungle... => Topic started by: JohnnyJungle on December 15, 2014, 11:55:13 PM
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This team looks a lot different this year. Some guys have stepped up at different times. Who do you think has been most improved so far?
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Dom has improved every facet of his game. Has to be him, he's gone from a loose cannon who made many stupid plays to being our 2nd most trustworthy playmaker.
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Obekpa followed closely by Dom.
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Branch
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I thought Dom was arguably our best all-around player 2 years ago. I felt last year he took a huge step back and I immediately regretted it. This year he's playing really damn good again and has improved alot.
For anybody who hasn't seen his numbers:
10.2 PPG 7.7 RPG 2.7 APG 2.3 SPG 1.7 BPG only 1.6 TOPG and is shooting 58% from the field.
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Dom, especially in the high post game. Head fake and go or shooting from 12 feet and in is much improved.
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Pointer is the most improved. He's finally getting the most out of his ability. Obekpa is better, but he is still raw offensively. He needs to keep going offensively to make the league. Hopefully by the end of next season, he's more comfortable on the offensive side.
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Tie between obekpa and Dom. I lean towards obekpa because we saw many flashes of this with Dom his soph year but then something happened last year. Obekpa improvement not only on the court but his general attitude and physique as well.
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Everyone talks about CO's offensive improvement. Think about the defensive improvement for a minute.
With the exception of Gonzaga and the bad calls including getting called for a foul Christian Jones committed, CO has basically stayed out of foul trouble.
Why? His defense has improved. He now fronts his guy and denies him the ball. Once the entry pass is made it radically increases the chance of a foul.
CO has also doubled his rebounds. And then there's the offensive improvement including the corner baseline jumper and the foul shooting. And just wait till the guards get more comfortsble dumping back down to him on the ;pick and roll or just when he has good position down low.
D'Lo is also playing within himself...rebounding like a monster....looking to make a pass...take fewer shots and a higher percentage of good ones....playing lock down defense (Cooney etc.) People forget D'Lo's improvement because he was so good and important to the team to begin with.
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Dom Pointer, if his shooting improved as much as the rest of his game he would be first team all BE.
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I thought players don't show any improvement under Lavs and his staff? Obek, Sir, Sheed, and Dee in that order.
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I am really surprised that Chris Obekpa is not winning this Poll by a huge margin.
In the 1st 2 years Chris was a offensive liability on the court. It was like playing 4 on 5 on the offensive side. The fact that he can hit the baseline jump shot from 10 to 15 feet is huge for our offense. The 10ft shot he made from the baseline in the SYR game to stop SYR run was key moment of us winning that game. His post up game is not great but at least it is an option this year. Add his improved post defense, Free Thows and attitude and he has to be the most improved player.
Dom has been great this year but the fact that he is 6'5 and in 4 years has not developed a 3 point shot makes it hard for me to vote for him.
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I thought players don't show any improvement under Lavs and his staff? Obek, Sir, Sheed, and Dee in that order.
most have definitely improved from last year. I would probably go: Dom, Greene, Obekpa, D'lo, Sheed.
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I thought players don't show any improvement under Lavs and his staff? Obek, Sir, Sheed, and Dee in that order.
most have definitely improved from last year. I would probably go: Dom, Greene, Obekpa, D'lo, Sheed.
Greene is shooting 39 percent from the floor and 31 percent from three. Last year he shot 39 percent from the floor and 40 percent from three. He has fewer assists pg this year than last by a third (1.1 vs 1.5) and twice as many turnovers (.6 vs 1.2) : his ATO last year was 3:1, this year it's less than 1:1. Forget the three good minutes he played vs Syracuse. By what metric has he improved?
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I voted for Dom, but as I think about it, Dom showed very similar flashes in his sophomore year, and then regressed last year. In any event, if we are looking at the most improved from day one until today, I think the nod goes to Obekpa, only because he did not do a lot of things well his first year besides block shots. I also think this poll is a bit premature. I would not be surprised that, by the end of the season, Jordan is not only our most improved player, but our best player as well, and if he is, we are looking really good for the Dance.
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I am really surprised that Chris Obekpa is not winning this Poll by a huge margin. In the 1st 2 years Chris was a offensive liability on the court. It was like playing 4 on 5 on the offensive side. The fact that he can hit the baseline jump shot from 10 to 15 feet is huge for our offense. The 10ft shot he made from the baseline in the SYR game to stop SYR run was key moment of us winning that game. His post up game is not great but at least it is an option this year. Add his improved post defense, Free Thows and attitude and he has to be the most improved player. Dom has been great this year but the fact that he is 6'5 and in 4 years has not developed a 3 point shot makes it hard for me to vote for him.
CO is hitting his foul shots at a higher rate, and turning the ball over less, but is actually shooting much less efficiently and passing the ball much less than in his first two years.
via KenPom..
Offensive rating - effective FG% - True Shooting % - Assist Rate
'15 91.7 38.3 43.5 2.3
'14 100.8 56.2 54.1 7.2
'13 88.0 45.1 44.5 7.6
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Obekpa without question.
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By comparison, Harrison and Dom are playing much more efficiently.
In sum, Obekpa is more of a focus of our offense now, and is taking more shots, but isn't necessarily improved. Dom and Dlo, however are playing better than in any of their 3 previous seasons.
edit: its worth noting however that Obekpa is also rebounding at a better rate than he did, and by that measure alone he may be more important to this team's success. But his offensive, by and large, is not improved.
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I am really surprised that Chris Obekpa is not winning this Poll by a huge margin. In the 1st 2 years Chris was a offensive liability on the court. It was like playing 4 on 5 on the offensive side. The fact that he can hit the baseline jump shot from 10 to 15 feet is huge for our offense. The 10ft shot he made from the baseline in the SYR game to stop SYR run was key moment of us winning that game. His post up game is not great but at least it is an option this year. Add his improved post defense, Free Thows and attitude and he has to be the most improved player. Dom has been great this year but the fact that he is 6'5 and in 4 years has not developed a 3 point shot makes it hard for me to vote for him.
I voted for Phil, but this is the best answer
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By comparison, Harrison and Dom are playing much more efficiently. In sum, Obekpa is more of a focus of our offense now, and is taking more shots, but isn't necessarily improved. Dom and Dlo, however are playing better than in any of their 3 previous seasons. edit: its worth noting however that Obekpa is also rebounding at a better rate than he did, and by that measure alone he may be more important to this team's success. But his offensive, by and large, is not improved.
We are only 9 games which 28% through the season this year compared to last year.
Chris Opekpa has already attempted more FT 40 compared to 37 last year he has made 23 compared to 15. increased %from 40% to 57%. Last year he only attempted 96 shots making 54, most were dunks or put backs. This year he has already attempted 54 shots making 20. His percentage might be down but the fact that he is part of the offence is what make him the most improved player. The fact that he has 82 rebounds in 9 games compared to 154 for the entire season last year just shows he has improved in all areas.
Chris is by far our most improved player and his offense has come a long way.
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Obekpas offensive is improved . It went from amazingly bad to below average . He can hit a free throw . He has drop step post move. He went left and hit a layup vs Fordham . Wasn't an amazing move but he couldn't do that last year.
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Obepka is rebounding better but for a 6-10 guy his shooting % is embarrasing. Really his biggest improvement is he is getting more minutes.
Dom is playing the way he played as a Soph. Had a bad year last year
Phil is not being asked to do things he can't, so he is much more comfortable.
Harrison is Harrison.
My vote for most improved is Lavin. Staying out of his own way mostly and that is the biggest difference IMO
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Went with Obekpa over Pointer, by a slim margin.
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Harrison's mid-range game is incredibly improved and also deserves mention.
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Anecdotes make for good stories, but don't prove a pattern. Obekpas rebounding is better, his foul shooting has improved; and together, those two items might make him our most improved player.
But his offense is not better than last season. He shoots more, makes less, and passes less often. (sounds like someone showcasing for the nba).
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I thought players don't show any improvement under Lavs and his staff? Obek, Sir, Sheed, and Dee in that order.
most have definitely improved from last year. I would probably go: Dom, Greene, Obekpa, D'lo, Sheed.
Greene is shooting 39 percent from the floor and 31 percent from three. Last year he shot 39 percent from the floor and 40 percent from three. He has fewer assists pg this year than last by a third (1.1 vs 1.5) and twice as many turnovers (.6 vs 1.2) : his ATO last year was 3:1, this year it's less than 1:1. Forget the three good minutes he played vs Syracuse. By what metric has he improved?
troll on bro
I don't want to sound like carmine, but what about his 58% increase in points per game from 7.4 to 11.7, or his free throw % improvement from 65% to 80%, or the fact that he has managed to give up the ball on the fast break and in the half court and look to spot up (probably his biggest improvement). Also, I like how you concede the point by saying the guy should be judge one all of his play except for the best minutes the guy has ever played. You probably judge eli manning on everything he has done except the manningham and tyree passes that won super bowls.
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I'm surprised people don't see the improvement in Obekpa.. It's pretty clear imo..
Doubled his rebounding average... Markedly improved at the FT line...FG percentage is down, but he shoots so infrequently that can ( and I think will), change quickly...I mean, in one or two games he went from 25% to 37%.... And he controls the game from the defensive end in the paint.
He is passing nicely out of the block also.. Not trying to sway anyone because I really don't care all that much... Just giving an opinion
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The biggest areas we have improved on IMO
1. Lavin being destructive
2. Defined rotation and lineup
3. Obekpa rebounding
4. Pointer playing like he did as a Soph
5. The passing is much better, which makes sense since we basically play 4 guards
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Statistical sample is small but it speaks volumes that the fanbase is receptive to this topic. A two game losing streak starting now and an "Early season Most Regressed Player" thread could be started. If 3'lo hits both free throws at the end or Chris doesn't throw the ball to the ceiling in OT against Penn State - we might have seen this last year. It's a fine line.
I voted for Dom but can easily see others. The main thing is that Nobody is playing worse except maybe Phil - and he has shined brightest of all in crunch time against our two toughest opponents so nobody is complaining about his body of work thus far.
#20 ranking with winnable??? games on the horizon. Exciting stuff!
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I thought players don't show any improvement under Lavs and his staff? Obek, Sir, Sheed, and Dee in that order.
most have definitely improved from last year. I would probably go: Dom, Greene, Obekpa, D'lo, Sheed.
Greene is shooting 39 percent from the floor and 31 percent from three. Last year he shot 39 percent from the floor and 40 percent from three. He has fewer assists pg this year than last by a third (1.1 vs 1.5) and twice as many turnovers (.6 vs 1.2) : his ATO last year was 3:1, this year it's less than 1:1. Forget the three good minutes he played vs Syracuse. By what metric has he improved?
troll on bro I don't want to sound like carmine, but what about his 58% increase in points per game from 7.4 to 11.7, or his free throw % improvement from 65% to 80%, or the fact that he has managed to give up the ball on the fast break and in the half court and look to spot up (probably his biggest improvement). Also, I like how you concede the point by saying the guy should be judge one all of his play except for the best minutes the guy has ever played. You probably judge eli manning on everything he has done except the manningham and tyree passes that won super bowls.
Phil Greene:
Offensive rating - e-FG % - total shooting - assist rating - turnover rate
'15 92.5 44.0 45.4 7.1 10.9
'14 105.5 46.5 48.3 11.6 8.4
'13 91.3 40.5 42.4 15.9 12.0
'12 88.8 39.1 41.3 19.2 19.3
So, PG is shooting worse, passing less, and turning the ball over more. He's helped the team win,
but he's not improved from last season.
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I thought players don't show any improvement under Lavs and his staff? Obek, Sir, Sheed, and Dee in that order.
most have definitely improved from last year. I would probably go: Dom, Greene, Obekpa, D'lo, Sheed.
Greene is shooting 39 percent from the floor and 31 percent from three. Last year he shot 39 percent from the floor and 40 percent from three. He has fewer assists pg this year than last by a third (1.1 vs 1.5) and twice as many turnovers (.6 vs 1.2) : his ATO last year was 3:1, this year it's less than 1:1. Forget the three good minutes he played vs Syracuse. By what metric has he improved?
troll on bro I don't want to sound like carmine, but what about his 58% increase in points per game from 7.4 to 11.7, or his free throw % improvement from 65% to 80%, or the fact that he has managed to give up the ball on the fast break and in the half court and look to spot up (probably his biggest improvement). Also, I like how you concede the point by saying the guy should be judge one all of his play except for the best minutes the guy has ever played. You probably judge eli manning on everything he has done except the manningham and tyree passes that won super bowls.
I don't consider the use of facts and logic to be "trolling" - in fact I consider it the opposite. As usual, YMMV.
If the poll question asked which player played the best three minutes of the year I'd have voted for Greene. It didn't. It asked who improved the most and Greene has not. His numbers are more or less flat or worse across the board. He's scoring more points because he's playing more minutes and taking more shots. Because he's taking more shots he's also missing more shots, since he's shooting at the same percentage. You're correct that he's bettered his free throw shooting, but his FT shooting was pretty appalling, so that's about the least you could hope for, and I don't consider that the metric by which basketball improvement is measured. Again, YMMV.
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Only playing 6 guys, everyone is comfortable and as a team they are playing better, becuase everyone knows their roles. Basketball is a team game and the team as a whole is improved much more than any one individual.
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It's 9 games in to a potential 35 game season... The full year stats vs. stats thru 9 games this season, aren't really all that comparable..
1/4 way through the season.. Let's revisit the number after the next 9 games... Will give a much more accurate comparison.
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I thought players don't show any improvement under Lavs and his staff? Obek, Sir, Sheed, and Dee in that order.
most have definitely improved from last year. I would probably go: Dom, Greene, Obekpa, D'lo, Sheed.
Greene is shooting 39 percent from the floor and 31 percent from three. Last year he shot 39 percent from the floor and 40 percent from three. He has fewer assists pg this year than last by a third (1.1 vs 1.5) and twice as many turnovers (.6 vs 1.2) : his ATO last year was 3:1, this year it's less than 1:1. Forget the three good minutes he played vs Syracuse. By what metric has he improved?
troll on bro I don't want to sound like carmine, but what about his 58% increase in points per game from 7.4 to 11.7, or his free throw % improvement from 65% to 80%, or the fact that he has managed to give up the ball on the fast break and in the half court and look to spot up (probably his biggest improvement). Also, I like how you concede the point by saying the guy should be judge one all of his play except for the best minutes the guy has ever played. You probably judge eli manning on everything he has done except the manningham and tyree passes that won super bowls.
Phil Greene: Offensive rating - e-FG % - total shooting - assist rating - turnover rate '15 92.5 44.0 45.4 7.1 10.9 '14 105.5 46.5 48.3 11.6 8.4 '13 91.3 40.5 42.4 15.9 12.0 '12 88.8 39.1 41.3 19.2 19.3 So, PG is shooting worse, passing less, and turning the ball over more. He's helped the team win, but he's not improved from last season.
I thought players don't show any improvement under Lavs and his staff? Obek, Sir, Sheed, and Dee in that order.
most have definitely improved from last year. I would probably go: Dom, Greene, Obekpa, D'lo, Sheed.
Greene is shooting 39 percent from the floor and 31 percent from three. Last year he shot 39 percent from the floor and 40 percent from three. He has fewer assists pg this year than last by a third (1.1 vs 1.5) and twice as many turnovers (.6 vs 1.2) : his ATO last year was 3:1, this year it's less than 1:1. Forget the three good minutes he played vs Syracuse. By what metric has he improved?
troll on bro I don't want to sound like carmine, but what about his 58% increase in points per game from 7.4 to 11.7, or his free throw % improvement from 65% to 80%, or the fact that he has managed to give up the ball on the fast break and in the half court and look to spot up (probably his biggest improvement). Also, I like how you concede the point by saying the guy should be judge one all of his play except for the best minutes the guy has ever played. You probably judge eli manning on everything he has done except the manningham and tyree passes that won super bowls.
Phil Greene: Offensive rating - e-FG % - total shooting - assist rating - turnover rate '15 92.5 44.0 45.4 7.1 10.9 '14 105.5 46.5 48.3 11.6 8.4 '13 91.3 40.5 42.4 15.9 12.0 '12 88.8 39.1 41.3 19.2 19.3 So, PG is shooting worse, passing less, and turning the ball over more. He's helped the team win, but he's not improved from last season.
What do these columns mean?
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I put Dom, because really has done a little bit of everything this year to include exciting the crowd with great dunks. I can also see CO as he has now become an offensive threat which will help out our shooters.
The question is who do you think is the next most important person on the team other then Harrison and Jordan...Could SJU get away with playing a small line up with CO for multiple games, or is losing Dom as a "Cosco" player be a bigger blow to the team?
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but his FT shooting was pretty appalling,
The opposite:
Mr. Greenejeans FT%
11/12 75%
12/13 72%
13/14 65%
14/15 80%
You know when I was a kid, we used to think that Zappa's real name was Reuben Sano because of the picture on Reuben and the Jets. Funny how these rumors go.
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We're fighting over who's improved the most under Lavin.
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Don't feel like starting a new thread, but Lavin will be an in studio guest tomorrow at wfan 4:30 pm... No Francesa, who is off, will be Evan/Joe. Don't expect too much insight.
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Don't feel like starting a new thread, but Lavin will be an in studio guest tomorrow at wfan 4:30 pm... No Francesa, who is off, will be Evan/Joe. Don't expect too much insight.
Perfect time to say he has been extended indefinitely :-).
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but his FT shooting was pretty appalling,
The opposite
Appalling means terrible. The opposite of appalling is wonderful. If you are correct that his FT last year was the opposite of appalling, then 65 percent FT shooting is wonderful. OTOH if 65 percent FT shooting is not wonderful, then we can put the English language down as another thing about which you know FA.
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I thought players don't show any improvement under Lavs and his staff? Obek, Sir, Sheed, and Dee in that order.
most have definitely improved from last year. I would probably go: Dom, Greene, Obekpa, D'lo, Sheed.
Greene is shooting 39 percent from the floor and 31 percent from three. Last year he shot 39 percent from the floor and 40 percent from three. He has fewer assists pg this year than last by a third (1.1 vs 1.5) and twice as many turnovers (.6 vs 1.2) : his ATO last year was 3:1, this year it's less than 1:1. Forget the three good minutes he played vs Syracuse. By what metric has he improved?
troll on bro I don't want to sound like carmine, but what about his 58% increase in points per game from 7.4 to 11.7, or his free throw % improvement from 65% to 80%, or the fact that he has managed to give up the ball on the fast break and in the half court and look to spot up (probably his biggest improvement). Also, I like how you concede the point by saying the guy should be judge one all of his play except for the best minutes the guy has ever played. You probably judge eli manning on everything he has done except the manningham and tyree passes that won super bowls.
Phil Greene: Offensive rating - e-FG % - total shooting - assist rating - turnover rate '15 92.5 44.0 45.4 7.1 10.9 '14 105.5 46.5 48.3 11.6 8.4 '13 91.3 40.5 42.4 15.9 12.0 '12 88.8 39.1 41.3 19.2 19.3 So, PG is shooting worse, passing less, and turning the ball over more. He's helped the team win, but he's not improved from last season.
I thought players don't show any improvement under Lavs and his staff? Obek, Sir, Sheed, and Dee in that order.
most have definitely improved from last year. I would probably go: Dom, Greene, Obekpa, D'lo, Sheed.
Greene is shooting 39 percent from the floor and 31 percent from three. Last year he shot 39 percent from the floor and 40 percent from three. He has fewer assists pg this year than last by a third (1.1 vs 1.5) and twice as many turnovers (.6 vs 1.2) : his ATO last year was 3:1, this year it's less than 1:1. Forget the three good minutes he played vs Syracuse. By what metric has he improved?
troll on bro I don't want to sound like carmine, but what about his 58% increase in points per game from 7.4 to 11.7, or his free throw % improvement from 65% to 80%, or the fact that he has managed to give up the ball on the fast break and in the half court and look to spot up (probably his biggest improvement). Also, I like how you concede the point by saying the guy should be judge one all of his play except for the best minutes the guy has ever played. You probably judge eli manning on everything he has done except the manningham and tyree passes that won super bowls.
Phil Greene: Offensive rating - e-FG % - total shooting - assist rating - turnover rate '15 92.5 44.0 45.4 7.1 10.9 '14 105.5 46.5 48.3 11.6 8.4 '13 91.3 40.5 42.4 15.9 12.0 '12 88.8 39.1 41.3 19.2 19.3 So, PG is shooting worse, passing less, and turning the ball over more. He's helped the team win, but he's not improved from last season.
What do these columns mean?
They're advanced stats given by Ken Pomeroy to explain true contributions on the court.
Offensive rating (ORtg): A measure of personal offensive efficiency developed by Dean Oliver. The formula is very complicated, but accurate. For a detailed explanation, buy Basketball on Paper.
Effective field goal percentage (eFG%): Same as regular field goal percentage, except that made three-pointers are appropriately given 50% more credit.
True shooting percentage (TS%): (New) This is Gasaway’s old PPWS divided by 2. It’s like eFG%, but throws in trips to the line and converts it to a shooting percentage that approximates what 2-point percentage a player would need to have to score the points he produces on all of his shooting attempts.
Assist Rate (ARate): This is assists divided by the field goals made by the player’s teammates while he is on the court.
Turnover Rate (TORate): This is the percentage of personal possessions used on turnovers. It can be highly dependent on context. Players that do little passing or dribbling (i.e. spot-up shooters) will have an artificially deflated TO%.
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Don't feel like starting a new thread, but Lavin will be an in studio guest tomorrow at wfan 4:30 pm... No Francesa, who is off, will be Evan/Joe. Don't expect too much insight.
Perfect time to say he has been extended indefinitely :-).
I wouldn't put it past Lavin to say something like that, but that wouldn't make it any more likely to occur. If you recall, he leaked to the media last spring that the school was negotiating an extension for him; except, they weren't.
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but his FT shooting was pretty appalling,
The opposite
Appalling means terrible. The opposite of appalling is wonderful. If you are correct that his FT last year was the opposite of appalling, then 65 percent FT shooting is wonderful. OTOH if 65 percent FT shooting is not wonderful, then we can put the English language down as another thing about which you know FA.
My bad. My failing was not really misunderstanding the term "appalling" or it's antonym - but rather my misunderstanding the third person singular past form of the verb "to be". I didn't realize that your use of "was" merely referenced the 2013/14 seasons and not his prior free throw shooting in it's entirety.
But you know me - any opportunity to shed a positive light on the Triangle is not often wasted.
Come to think of it, he shot 65% from the line last season and the team at large shot 69%. I now disagree with your flippant use of "appalling" even if it's just concerning the 2013/14 season. "Mediocre" more aptly describes it. So suck on dem apples.
P.S.
Doc,
Your game reports on Beb this season have been outstanding. I've really been enjoying them. I know I speak for Johnny fans and rubes everywhere in thanking you for taking the time and effort to write them.
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I thought players don't show any improvement under Lavs and his staff? Obek, Sir, Sheed, and Dee in that order.
most have definitely improved from last year. I would probably go: Dom, Greene, Obekpa, D'lo, Sheed.
Greene is shooting 39 percent from the floor and 31 percent from three. Last year he shot 39 percent from the floor and 40 percent from three. He has fewer assists pg this year than last by a third (1.1 vs 1.5) and twice as many turnovers (.6 vs 1.2) : his ATO last year was 3:1, this year it's less than 1:1. Forget the three good minutes he played vs Syracuse. By what metric has he improved?
troll on bro I don't want to sound like carmine, but what about his 58% increase in points per game from 7.4 to 11.7, or his free throw % improvement from 65% to 80%, or the fact that he has managed to give up the ball on the fast break and in the half court and look to spot up (probably his biggest improvement). Also, I like how you concede the point by saying the guy should be judge one all of his play except for the best minutes the guy has ever played. You probably judge eli manning on everything he has done except the manningham and tyree passes that won super bowls.
Phil Greene: Offensive rating - e-FG % - total shooting - assist rating - turnover rate '15 92.5 44.0 45.4 7.1 10.9 '14 105.5 46.5 48.3 11.6 8.4 '13 91.3 40.5 42.4 15.9 12.0 '12 88.8 39.1 41.3 19.2 19.3 So, PG is shooting worse, passing less, and turning the ball over more. He's helped the team win, but he's not improved from last season.
I thought players don't show any improvement under Lavs and his staff? Obek, Sir, Sheed, and Dee in that order.
most have definitely improved from last year. I would probably go: Dom, Greene, Obekpa, D'lo, Sheed.
Greene is shooting 39 percent from the floor and 31 percent from three. Last year he shot 39 percent from the floor and 40 percent from three. He has fewer assists pg this year than last by a third (1.1 vs 1.5) and twice as many turnovers (.6 vs 1.2) : his ATO last year was 3:1, this year it's less than 1:1. Forget the three good minutes he played vs Syracuse. By what metric has he improved?
troll on bro I don't want to sound like carmine, but what about his 58% increase in points per game from 7.4 to 11.7, or his free throw % improvement from 65% to 80%, or the fact that he has managed to give up the ball on the fast break and in the half court and look to spot up (probably his biggest improvement). Also, I like how you concede the point by saying the guy should be judge one all of his play except for the best minutes the guy has ever played. You probably judge eli manning on everything he has done except the manningham and tyree passes that won super bowls.
Phil Greene: Offensive rating - e-FG % - total shooting - assist rating - turnover rate '15 92.5 44.0 45.4 7.1 10.9 '14 105.5 46.5 48.3 11.6 8.4 '13 91.3 40.5 42.4 15.9 12.0 '12 88.8 39.1 41.3 19.2 19.3 So, PG is shooting worse, passing less, and turning the ball over more. He's helped the team win, but he's not improved from last season.
What do these columns mean?
They're advanced stats given by Ken Pomeroy to explain true contributions on the court. Offensive rating (ORtg): A measure of personal offensive efficiency developed by Dean Oliver. The formula is very complicated, but accurate. For a detailed explanation, buy Basketball on Paper. Effective field goal percentage (eFG%): Same as regular field goal percentage, except that made three-pointers are appropriately given 50% more credit. True shooting percentage (TS%): (New) This is Gasaway’s old PPWS divided by 2. It’s like eFG%, but throws in trips to the line and converts it to a shooting percentage that approximates what 2-point percentage a player would need to have to score the points he produces on all of his shooting attempts. Assist Rate (ARate): This is assists divided by the field goals made by the player’s teammates while he is on the court. Turnover Rate (TORate): This is the percentage of personal possessions used on turnovers. It can be highly dependent on context. Players that do little passing or dribbling (i.e. spot-up shooters) will have an artificially deflated TO%.
Thank you. That's very interesting.
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I appreciate everyone's stepping up, but only one guy showing me something I didn't think we would see. DH is doing everything. If his current level of play continues he could be BE player of the year and get in the mix for some type of All-American mention. I'm thrilled with Dom and CO, and look forward to Jordon becoming everything he can. Right now I feel everything good that's happening, DH has a hand in.
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Dom Pointer, if his shooting improved as much as the rest of his game he would be first team all BE.
Didn't you see 0404 post?
10.2 PPG 7.7 RPG 2.7 APG 2.3 SPG 1.7 BPG only 1.6 TOPG and is shooting 58% from the field.
Shooting 58%. If he's shooting like that then he should shhot alittle more per game.
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Dom Pointer, if his shooting improved as much as the rest of his game he would be first team all BE.
Didn't you see 0404 post? 10.2 PPG 7.7 RPG 2.7 APG 2.3 SPG 1.7 BPG only 1.6 TOPG and is shooting 58% from the field. Shooting 58%. If he's shooting like that then he should shhot alittle more per game.
He probably meant jumpshooting.
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Dom is playing an efficient game right now. If he shot more, chances are his shot selection would be worse.
I think he's playing within himself right now and not trying to do too much. He takes shots that he can make.
Also, I totally agree with Jr. Dangelo has improved and isn't getting enough credit because he was good to begin with, but now he's shooting better and turning the ball over less.
And his rebounding is just outstanding for a player his size.
And just as an example: on 2pt shots, Dlo is shooting .508; thats up from 38% last year. Thats some serious improvement.
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The team is passing better, getting better shots and Jordan has helped out with the scoring load. Harrison's % should be ignored the last 2 years becuase more often then not he was putting up shots at the end of the shot clock and he was keyed on by the other teams becuase they knew no one else could score.
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Beb
The gift that keeps on giving.
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Dom by quite a wide margin.
CO has improved many facets of his game, but I am disappointed with his finishing thus far. He has left a lot of points on the floor thus far.
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Dom Pointer, if his shooting improved as much as the rest of his game he would be first team all BE.
Didn't you see 0404 post? 10.2 PPG 7.7 RPG 2.7 APG 2.3 SPG 1.7 BPG only 1.6 TOPG and is shooting 58% from the field. Shooting 58%. If he's shooting like that then he should shhot alittle more per game.
Dom is probably 98% on dunk attempts and 20% on non-dunk attempts. He doesn't need to shoot more. He is doing it just right.
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Dom Pointer, if his shooting improved as much as the rest of his game he would be first team all BE.
Didn't you see 0404 post? 10.2 PPG 7.7 RPG 2.7 APG 2.3 SPG 1.7 BPG only 1.6 TOPG and is shooting 58% from the field. Shooting 58%. If he's shooting like that then he should shhot alittle more per game.
Did you really not understood what I meant? Dom passes up wide open threes. Could you imagine how valuable he would be if he was even just a threat to hit the open 3. But like I said, he is playing great and has improved by leaps and bounds imo. I even saw him sprint across the paint to help on defense,and instead of flying out of control for an unlikely block, he instead squared up and put his hands straight up in the air TWICE, in the same game.
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Christian Jones vote??
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Christian Jones vote??
Yeah, he gave up 6 points himself. His instincs are amazing bad
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Christian Jones vote??
Obekpa tried to click Pointer but missed. Then he pushed his roommate.
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Well I guess you can say Jones did improve from being redshirted
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ESPN shows early list of Wooden contenders. After top 5 DH gets listed 3rd out. He doesn't show on pre-season top 50 list at all. That's some jump. Our guys short on height and depth so it should be noticed if Harrison keeps willing the little train across the line. If the guys keep winning and DH in the mix for a award like the Wooden, season would really be special. Size and depth of course continues to be a concern.
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ESPN shows early list of Wooden contenders. After top 5 DH gets listed 3rd out. He doesn't show on pre-season top 50 list at all. That's some jump. Our guys short on height and depth so it should be noticed if Harrison keeps willing the little train across the line. If the guys keep winning and DH in the mix for a award like the Wooden, season would really be special. Size and depth of course continues to be a concern.
As far as im concerned, this kid deserves all the recognition in the world.