6th Man of St. John's Basketball
St. John's Red Storm => In The Jungle... => Topic started by: redmen4life on June 18, 2015, 10:16:48 PM
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didn't realize there were rumors...
Zach Braziller @NYPost_Brazille
The St. John's program is different now. Real accountability and demands. Tough adjustment for some. #sjubb
NYPost_Brazille's avatar
Zach Braziller @NYPost_Brazille
Source on Chris Obekpa rumors: He's still in program, in midst of internship at moment. Could that change? Possibly. #sjubb
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didn't realize there were rumors...
Zach Braziller @NYPost_Brazille
The St. John's program is different now. Real accountability and demands. Tough adjustment for some. #sjubb
NYPost_Brazille's avatar
Zach Braziller @NYPost_Brazille
Source on Chris Obekpa rumors: He's still in program, in midst of internship at moment. Could that change? Possibly. #sjubb
Someone on Redmen.com mentioned something a few hours ago about Obekpa not returning. I'd rather wait for all the details come in.
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didn't realize there were rumors...
Zach Braziller @NYPost_Brazille
The St. John's program is different now. Real accountability and demands. Tough adjustment for some. #sjubb
NYPost_Brazille's avatar
Zach Braziller @NYPost_Brazille
Source on Chris Obekpa rumors: He's still in program, in midst of internship at moment. Could that change? Possibly. #sjubb
Someone on Redmen.com mentioned something a few hours ago about Obekpa not returning. I'd rather wait for all the details come in.
He swears CO got his release letter today.
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didn't realize there were rumors...
Zach Braziller @NYPost_Brazille
The St. John's program is different now. Real accountability and demands. Tough adjustment for some. #sjubb
NYPost_Brazille's avatar
Zach Braziller @NYPost_Brazille
Source on Chris Obekpa rumors: He's still in program, in midst of internship at moment. Could that change? Possibly. #sjubb
Someone on Redmen.com mentioned something a few hours ago about Obekpa not returning. I'd rather wait for all the details come in.
He swears CO got his release letter today.
Going to be a tough season but I would rather get rid of these guys and maybe take it on the chin this year. Jordan and CO have been selfish since day 1. Mullin was willing to let them come back and prove their worth but it seems neither has done so. Talented players but not up to par with this new regime.
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didn't realize there were rumors...
Zach Braziller @NYPost_Brazille
The St. John's program is different now. Real accountability and demands. Tough adjustment for some. #sjubb
NYPost_Brazille's avatar
Zach Braziller @NYPost_Brazille
Source on Chris Obekpa rumors: He's still in program, in midst of internship at moment. Could that change? Possibly. #sjubb
Someone on Redmen.com mentioned something a few hours ago about Obekpa not returning. I'd rather wait for all the details come in.
He swears CO got his release letter today.
Going to be a tough season but I would rather get rid of these guys and maybe take it on the chin this year. Jordan and CO have been selfish since day 1. Mullin was willing to let them come back and prove their worth but it seems neither has done so. Talented players but not up to par with this new regime.
I agree, they have been selfish and undisciplined since Day 1.
WIth that said, I hope CO comes back, I'd like to see him succeed here.
And I know half the board will roll their eyes, but at what point does the former coach get blamed for bringing in so many question marks?
And don't tell me it happens at every program. Some of this happens at every program. But not all of it. There was a reason Jay Wright didn't recruit Rysheed who was a 5star stud in his backyard.
There was a reason some of the big schools weren't red hot about Chris.
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didn't realize there were rumors...
Zach Braziller @NYPost_Brazille
The St. John's program is different now. Real accountability and demands. Tough adjustment for some. #sjubb
NYPost_Brazille's avatar
Zach Braziller @NYPost_Brazille
Source on Chris Obekpa rumors: He's still in program, in midst of internship at moment. Could that change? Possibly. #sjubb
Someone on Redmen.com mentioned something a few hours ago about Obekpa not returning. I'd rather wait for all the details come in.
He swears CO got his release letter today.
Going to be a tough season but I would rather get rid of these guys and maybe take it on the chin this year. Jordan and CO have been selfish since day 1. Mullin was willing to let them come back and prove their worth but it seems neither has done so. Talented players but not up to par with this new regime.
I agree, they have been selfish and undisciplined since Day 1.
WIth that said, I hope CO comes back, I'd like to see him succeed here.
And I know half the board will roll their eyes, but at what point does the former coach get blamed for bringing in so many question marks?
And don't tell me it happens at every program. Some of this happens at every program. But not all of it. There was a reason Jay Wright didn't recruit Rysheed who was a 5star stud in his backyard.
There was a reason some of the big schools weren't red hot about Chris.
But that kid Jay didnt want is the same reason we made the tourny this past year. No sheed, no tourney.
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didn't realize there were rumors...
Zach Braziller @NYPost_Brazille
The St. John's program is different now. Real accountability and demands. Tough adjustment for some. #sjubb
NYPost_Brazille's avatar
Zach Braziller @NYPost_Brazille
Source on Chris Obekpa rumors: He's still in program, in midst of internship at moment. Could that change? Possibly. #sjubb
Someone on Redmen.com mentioned something a few hours ago about Obekpa not returning. I'd rather wait for all the details come in.
He swears CO got his release letter today.
Going to be a tough season but I would rather get rid of these guys and maybe take it on the chin this year. Jordan and CO have been selfish since day 1. Mullin was willing to let them come back and prove their worth but it seems neither has done so. Talented players but not up to par with this new regime.
I agree, they have been selfish and undisciplined since Day 1.
WIth that said, I hope CO comes back, I'd like to see him succeed here.
And I know half the board will roll their eyes, but at what point does the former coach get blamed for bringing in so many question marks?
And don't tell me it happens at every program. Some of this happens at every program. But not all of it. There was a reason Jay Wright didn't recruit Rysheed who was a 5star stud in his backyard.
There was a reason some of the big schools weren't red hot about Chris.
But that kid Jay didnt want is the same reason we made the tourny this past year. No sheed, no tourney.
Fair enough, he had a good season. Not a great one, but he was pretty good on the court.
But when you recruit a player you're relying on his character then to do the right thing over the next year or two, or three.
RJ and CO have screwed the program over and over by missing games or failing to do the simple things required of them.
What good is making the tournament if your starting center smoked a blunt and can't play?
Any improvement Jordan made on the court this season is wiped away because he can't stay eligible.
Even our role players jumped a teammate in the locker-room. Wtf
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didn't realize there were rumors...
Zach Braziller @NYPost_Brazille
The St. John's program is different now. Real accountability and demands. Tough adjustment for some. #sjubb
NYPost_Brazille's avatar
Zach Braziller @NYPost_Brazille
Source on Chris Obekpa rumors: He's still in program, in midst of internship at moment. Could that change? Possibly. #sjubb
Someone on Redmen.com mentioned something a few hours ago about Obekpa not returning. I'd rather wait for all the details come in.
He swears CO got his release letter today.
Going to be a tough season but I would rather get rid of these guys and maybe take it on the chin this year. Jordan and CO have been selfish since day 1. Mullin was willing to let them come back and prove their worth but it seems neither has done so. Talented players but not up to par with this new regime.
I agree, they have been selfish and undisciplined since Day 1.
WIth that said, I hope CO comes back, I'd like to see him succeed here.
And I know half the board will roll their eyes, but at what point does the former coach get blamed for bringing in so many question marks?
And don't tell me it happens at every program. Some of this happens at every program. But not all of it. There was a reason Jay Wright didn't recruit Rysheed who was a 5star stud in his backyard.
There was a reason some of the big schools weren't red hot about Chris.
But that kid Jay didnt want is the same reason we made the tourny this past year. No sheed, no tourney.
Fair enough, he had a good season. Not a great one, but he was pretty good on the court.
But when you recruit a player you're relying on his character then to do the right thing over the next year or two, or three.
RJ and CO have screwed the program over and over by missing games or failing to do the simple things required of them.
What good is making the tournament if your starting center smoked a blunt and can't play?
Any improvement Jordan made on the court this season is wiped away because he can't stay eligible.
Even our role players jumped a teammate in the locker-room. Wtf
Progress if ADR & Joey actually "jumped" 😀
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Yes, I agree. It's about time this board starts to get on Lavin. What are we waiting for?
Desco- what planet are you on? Coach is gone .
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I mean, you basically spent the last 18 month eviscerating Lavin on here, now he's gone 2 months or so, and you still want blood?
Funny stuff
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Boo, we come here to talk about SJU basketball..
Is it my fault that a lot of the things that have happened are at least partially his fault? Lavin's name comes up again and again for good reason.
I know you might get tired of hearing me rip him... and I sympathize with you for that. I try to lay off.
But it's not like I'm making this sh*t up. He recruited some head cases. More than a few actually. He recruited others that had little to no shot to be eligible to play.
And it's left the program in a truly crappy position. That's why the conversation keeps coming back to him.
I want Mullin to be successful and would love for nothing more than to turn the page from SL. But one of his prized recruits, who was a pain in the ass from day 1, is bailing on the program.
Today its relevant and fair to question if he was recruiting the right kind've kids.
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We've already discussed this , beaten the proverbial dead horse.
Yes, he brought in questionable kids. A lot. Majority didn't work out.
Also brought in 2 NbA players, Phil, Dom, and D'angelo.
Some good, some bad, some terrible.
This isn't groundbreaking stuff here. It's a reason he's not coaching here anymore.
I just find it odd that you feel like rounding up the troops again to talk about the bad job Lavin did.
Ill speak for myself obviously, but the last thing I want to read on here is how poor a job Lavin did recruiting. I can just go back to any moment in last year and find a thread or two.
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We've already discussed this , beaten the proverbial dead horse.
Yes, he brought in questionable kids. A lot. Majority didn't work out.
Also brought in 2 NbA players, Phil, Dom, and D'angelo.
Some good, some bad, some terrible.
This isn't groundbreaking stuff here. It's a reason he's not coaching here anymore.
I just find it odd that you feel like rounding up the troops again to talk about the bad job Lavin did.
Ill speak for myself obviously, but the last thing I want to read on here is how poor a job Lavin did recruiting. I can just go back to any moment in last year and find a thread or two.
Continuity
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Bottom line is w/o both RJ and CO, next year is going to be a fresh start with growing pains. One year with or without CO isn't going to matter too much for the long term, so that's why I'm just looking at the new players.
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We've already discussed this , beaten the proverbial dead horse.
Yes, he brought in questionable kids. A lot. Majority didn't work out.
Also brought in 2 NbA players, Phil, Dom, and D'angelo.
Some good, some bad, some terrible.
This isn't groundbreaking stuff here. It's a reason he's not coaching here anymore.
I just find it odd that you feel like rounding up the troops again to talk about the bad job Lavin did.
Ill speak for myself obviously, but the last thing I want to read on here is how poor a job Lavin did recruiting. I can just go back to any moment in last year and find a thread or two.
Continuity
Yup. Plus the UCLA guys told us so. I would pull the posts but it's Friday night and I am too lazy. We done f'ed up
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Bottom line is w/o both RJ and CO, next year is going to be a fresh start with growing pains. One year with or without CO isn't going to matter too much for the long term, so that's why I'm just looking at the new players.
Problem is that if we really suck next year it might be tough to convince the studs we are pursuing to come to SJU. Every handler, parent, coach will be watching this program under Mullin. And IMO if you don't win the studs aren't coming. Hope I'm wrong and every turns out for the best.
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Bottom line is w/o both RJ and CO, next year is going to be a fresh start with growing pains. One year with or without CO isn't going to matter too much for the long term, so that's why I'm just looking at the new players.
Problem is that if we really suck next year it might be tough to convince the studs we are pursuing to come to SJU. Every handler, parent, coach will be watching this program under Mullin. And IMO if you don't win the studs aren't coming. Hope I'm wrong and every turns out for the best.
This is a concern of mine as well. The momentum Mullin has right now is crazy. We all know Lavin left him nothing for this year but if we go out and win 10 games it's going to hurt us in recruiting for 2016. It might just be a small effect but if we are fighting with Kansas for a top 40 guy and they are in the final four and we won 12 games it's going to make it even tougher to beat them. Not saying it's going to be a huge factor but it's definitely a factor that kids will consider. That's why I was hoping RJ and CO would be back so maybe we would have another 20 win season and be an NCAA bubble team.
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Ill speak for myself obviously, but the last thing I want to read on here is how poor a job Lavin did
It's remarkable how often you express your displeasure regarding what other people find interesting and worthy of discussion. Maybe you should just shut your pie hole? Speaking for myself obviously but the last thing I for one am interested in reading about is you telling other people they did a poor job of finding something to talk about that you find entertaining.
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Bottom line is w/o both RJ and CO, next year is going to be a fresh start with growing pains. One year with or without CO isn't going to matter too much for the long term, so that's why I'm just looking at the new players.
Problem is that if we really suck next year it might be tough to convince the studs we are pursuing to come to SJU. Every handler, parent, coach will be watching this program under Mullin. And IMO if you don't win the studs aren't coming. Hope I'm wrong and every turns out for the best.
That's why it's important they get some kids to commit this summer and fall.
If he Mullin has some prime recruits already locked up for next year, everyone will let it slide when his team of leftovers is struggling in December.
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It's funny , cause when Lavin was hired Norm got a much worse beating.. IMO , it isn't off base to blame Lavin for the depleted roster Mullin inherited, It was possible , however ,we could have had Sampson, Diallo and Poppa w Lavin, but unlikely.
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It's funny , cause when Lavin was hired Norm got a much worse beating.. IMO , it isn't off base to blame Lavin for the depleted roster Mullin inherited, It was possible , however ,we could have had Sampson, Diallo and Poppa w Lavin, but unlikely.
Norm never got the beating he really deserved.
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Ill speak for myself obviously, but the last thing I want to read on here is how poor a job Lavin did
It's remarkable how often you express your displeasure regarding what other people find interesting and worthy of discussion. Maybe you should just shut your pie hole? Speaking for myself obviously but the last thing I for one am interested in reading about is you telling other people they did a poor job of finding something to talk about that you find entertaining.
Thanks for your thoughts. I couldn't care less what you are interested in.
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didn't realize there were rumors...
Zach Braziller @NYPost_Brazille
The St. John's program is different now. Real accountability and demands. Tough adjustment for some. #sjubb
NYPost_Brazille's avatar
Zach Braziller @NYPost_Brazille
Source on Chris Obekpa rumors: He's still in program, in midst of internship at moment. Could that change? Possibly. #sjubb
Someone on Redmen.com mentioned something a few hours ago about Obekpa not returning. I'd rather wait for all the details come in.
He swears CO got his release letter today.
Going to be a tough season but I would rather get rid of these guys and maybe take it on the chin this year. Jordan and CO have been selfish since day 1. Mullin was willing to let them come back and prove their worth but it seems neither has done so. Talented players but not up to par with this new regime.
I agree, they have been selfish and undisciplined since Day 1.
WIth that said, I hope CO comes back, I'd like to see him succeed here.
And I know half the board will roll their eyes, but at what point does the former coach get blamed for bringing in so many question marks?
And don't tell me it happens at every program. Some of this happens at every program. But not all of it. There was a reason Jay Wright didn't recruit Rysheed who was a 5star stud in his backyard.
There was a reason some of the big schools weren't red hot about Chris.
Steve had to have them or show 2 years of nothing. After year one all moves were made based on it's this or nothing.
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Bottom line is w/o both RJ and CO, next year is going to be a fresh start with growing pains. One year with or without CO isn't going to matter too much for the long term, so that's why I'm just looking at the new players.
Problem is that if we really suck next year it might be tough to convince the studs we are pursuing to come to SJU. Every handler, parent, coach will be watching this program under Mullin. And IMO if you don't win the studs aren't coming. Hope I'm wrong and every turns out for the best.
That's why it's important they get some kids to commit this summer and fall.
If he Mullin has some prime recruits already locked up for next year, everyone will let it slide when his team of leftovers is struggling in December.
Do you really think the studs are going to commit this summer and fall to SJU? I don't see that happening.
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Ill speak for myself obviously, but the last thing I want to read on here is how poor a job Lavin did
It's remarkable how often you express your displeasure regarding what other people find interesting and worthy of discussion. Maybe you should just shut your pie hole? Speaking for myself obviously but the last thing I for one am interested in reading about is you telling other people they did a poor job of finding something to talk about that you find entertaining.
Thanks for your thoughts. I couldn't care less what you are interested in.
Exactly dopey. You're not interested in what I'm not interested in. And I'm not interested in what you're not interested in. And I'll wager you that Desco (inter alia) is not interested in what you're not interested in. Which is why your posts telling Desco that you're not interested in what he's interested in are so stupid, boring, and lame: because they're not interesting.
The only explanation for you're behavior is that you're interested in being uninteresting. I find your interest in being uninteresting interesting and would encourage you to post about it if only you could care less about what I find interesting. Too bad, I think we were really approaching a breakthrough.
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Foad having an attack of Yossarianitis.
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Great stuff. Happy Father's Day. Special visitation hours?
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Adios very shortly
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Adios very shortly
can you or anyone share what exactly triggered his departure? weed? classes?
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Hope Slice is on the next flight to Athens.
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Thanx for the info paultzman. Let me get one thing straight my man. You're saying we're losing obekpa and not to get too excited about the prospects of getting papa. Who is gonna play for us in the frontcourt? Hopefully there are some names out there that are only privy to the likes of paultzman but I don't care if you get maverick Rowan and mussini.........we absolutely won't be competitive with a starting 4/5 of alibegelvich and Christian jones.
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Thanx for the info paultzman. Let me get one thing straight my man. You're saying we're losing obekpa and not to get too excited about the prospects of getting papa. Who is gonna play for us in the frontcourt? Hopefully there are some names out there that are only privy to the likes of paultzman but I don't care if you get maverick Rowan and mussini.........we absolutely won't be competitive with a starting 4/5 of alibegelvich and Christian jones.
Lets hope Sima qualifies and maybe hit two of the fifth year seniors to give you some minutes
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Thanx for the info paultzman. Let me get one thing straight my man. You're saying we're losing obekpa and not to get too excited about the prospects of getting papa. Who is gonna play for us in the frontcourt? Hopefully there are some names out there that are only privy to the likes of paultzman but I don't care if you get maverick Rowan and mussini.........we absolutely won't be competitive with a starting 4/5 of alibegelvich and Christian jones.
Or hopefully they surprise on PaPa G. just not seeing it, but did not think they would get Rowan visit either. :)
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Thanx for the info paultzman. Let me get one thing straight my man. You're saying we're losing obekpa and not to get too excited about the prospects of getting papa. Who is gonna play for us in the frontcourt? Hopefully there are some names out there that are only privy to the likes of paultzman but I don't care if you get maverick Rowan and mussini.........we absolutely won't be competitive with a starting 4/5 of alibegelvich and Christian jones.
Darien Williams and Sima
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Obekpa on Instagram:
"BLOOD.SWEAT.TEARS Where we love is home - home that our feet may leave but not our heart. #STJBB"
http://iconosquare.com/p/1013235321217333480_21620621
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Obekpa on Instagram:
"BLOOD.SWEAT.TEARS Where we love is home - home that our feet may leave but not our heart. #STJBB"
http://iconosquare.com/p/1013235321217333480_21620621
I used to talk that way back in the days that I smoked hash and pot.
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I guess it's now official....
Jon Rothstein @JonRothstein 47s47 seconds ago
BREAKING: St. John's big man Chris Obekpa will transfer, per release. One year of eligibility remaining. #sjubb
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Gone. Transferring.
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Bye Chris. Don't let the door hit ya on the way out.
Mullin's Team, Mullin's Rules. You don't wanna be here, bye.
Time to bring in some grade A recruits and make a statement about kids who wanna play winning ball
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PUFF PUFF, GIVE! Chris you messin up the rotation!
Bet Felix isn't long for SJU right now either.
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Not shedding any tears, but damn, this team is gonna suck next year.
I have zero positive expectations. I feel good about 2-3 years down road. Lets see how patient everyone is. Patience was a dirty word under last regime.
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Not shedding any tears, but damn, this team is gonna suck next year.
I have zero positive expectations. I feel good about 2-3 years down road. Lets see how patient everyone is. Patience was a dirty word under last regime.
I feel optimistic down the road (I see some things I currently like). I just hope we can land some kids from the '16 class early. It can help with recruiting momentum. I'd hate to lose any momentum during the season, as there is a chance we could certainly struggle. That could possibly make the job harder for our staff.
This staff will also have to build up an entirely new roster, similarly to Lavin. I hope some folks don't go ape shite when or if this staff take some chances, in order to win in another year or two, instead of four or five.
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Staff is already takin "chances" with lovett and sima eligibility wise. Better pray they both workout
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Agree we have to be patient. This will take a few years & we do need to convert all these visits from talented kids to commitments. I am confident the staff can do it, but this won't be an overnight fix.
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PUFF PUFF, GIVE! Chris you messin up the rotation!
Bet Felix isn't long for SJU right now either.
Felix isn't going anywhere. He's a different kid and will work hard to get minutes.
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A commit from a big fish would sure help my confidence quite a bit at this point.
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Smart move. Good luck to him. Grasso on the phone?
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Not shedding any tears, but damn, this team is gonna suck next year.
I have zero positive expectations. I feel good about 2-3 years down road. Lets see how patient everyone is. Patience was a dirty word under last regime.
Whats suck though? 15 wins? or less then 10? I dont think we will be awful. If we get a shade of luck regarding eligibility and we get Rowan and/or Mussini I think we would be very competitive.
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Not shedding any tears, but damn, this team is gonna suck next year.
I have zero positive expectations. I feel good about 2-3 years down road. Lets see how patient everyone is. Patience was a dirty word under last regime.
Patience was lost year 4-5 when recruiting dried up.
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Lets hope for .500 overall and about 6 wins in Big East. As long as the team plays hard and we get a glimpse of what is to come system wise when we have the right players then all is good for me
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@NYPost_Brazille: Chris Obekpa bolting St. John's. #sjubb http://t.co/L51vxiWSqK
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@NYPost_Brazille: Chris Obekpa bolting St. John's. #sjubb http://t.co/L51vxiWSqK
Great advertisement for the prospective landing spot for CO-lacks discipline and blanches at being held accountable.
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Great advertisement for the prospective landing spot for CO-lacks discipline and blanches at being held accountable.
"Obekpa didn’t want to be part of Chris Mullin’s program, in part because of the different manner in which it is being run, with stricter rules, more discipline and everyone being held accountable. "
I don't often LOL, but I LOL'ed. If I was a bit more agile I'd have ROFL'ed.
Let's read the sub text.
"Obekpa wanted to be part of Steve Lavin's program, in part because of the manner in which it was run, with few rules, little discipline and no one being held accountable for anything."
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@GregLogan1: #ChrisMullin effectively has cleaned house @StJohnsBBall w/transfer of #ChrisObekpa: http://t.co/eDzY433C8G. Disciplined approach in force.
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Obekpa should go the NAIA route where he can play right away. That is, if he plans to stay in college. Otherwise, check out overseas opportunities. Waiting around one year when your talent is to block shots and nothing else makes no sense.
It was his way or the highway. Enjoy the highway.
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VCU?
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VCU?
Can't see this guy getting any better with a years layoff. And the reason is he didn't want to work hard to better himself. What a pussy.
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IMO, it has nothing to do with wanting to work hard or not. Chris kept putting his hand out looking for something. Same situation last off-season.
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IMO, it has nothing to do with wanting to work hard or not. Chris kept putting his hand out looking for something. Same situation last off-season.
Winna Winna Chicken Dinna
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IMO, it has nothing to do with wanting to work hard or not. Chris kept putting his hand out looking for something. Same situation last off-season.
Winna Winna Chicken Dinna
He got something handed to him. Walking papers
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IMO, it has nothing to do with wanting to work hard or not. Chris kept putting his hand out looking for something. Same situation last off-season.
How about looking to shoot a basketball in a net.
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@JonRothstein: St. John's transfer Chris Obekpa will visit Minnesota in the next few days, source told @CBSSports. Sit one, play one. #sjubb
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@GophersNow: Hearing that the #Gophers are no longer a possible destination for St. John's transfer Chris Obekpa who visited Minnesota over the weekend.
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Marcus R. Fuller @GophersNow 17m17 minutes ago
There was interest between Obekpa and Minnesota. But it ended up not being "right fit," according to a source. Still one scholarship open.
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Any chance we get a repeat of last summer where he returns, or has he incinerated the bridge?
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More you see with Obekpa the more sketchy it look$. I still can't picture him sitting out a year and imagine him going to the DLeague.
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He'd help us this year, of course, but I want no part of him returning. And posters like Paultz have said it isn't happening, so probably no need for us to even speculate. As I've said on Redmen, I think there is basically zero chance this kid suits through an entire transfer year and full season somewhere else.
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Marcus R. Fuller @GophersNow 17m17 minutes ago
There was interest between Obekpa and Minnesota. But it ended up not being "right fit," according to a source. Still one scholarship open.
Probably couldn't reach agreement on who's set of rules CO would follow, Pitino's or his own. Heard weed was the deal breaker. ;D
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Marcus R. Fuller @GophersNow 17m17 minutes ago
There was interest between Obekpa and Minnesota. But it ended up not being "right fit," according to a source. Still one scholarship open.
Probably couldn't reach agreement on who's set of rules CO would follow, Pitino's or his own. Heard weed was the deal breaker. ;D
Chris "The Weed Whacker" Obekpa... 😛
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Kentucky Bluegrass Sensamilla
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Marcus R. Fuller @GophersNow 17m17 minutes ago
There was interest between Obekpa and Minnesota. But it ended up not being "right fit," according to a source. Still one scholarship open.
Probably couldn't reach agreement on who's set of rules CO would follow, Pitino's or his own. Heard weed was the deal breaker. ;D
Not far from the truth at all
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Watch obekpa come back and 3/4 of the people's heads here just explode. :2funny:
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Watch obekpa come back and 3/4 of the people's heads here just explode. :2funny:
Never happening.
I do want to go back to all those people who defended him after he refused to enter the Providence game. Writing was on the wall then
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Jon Rothstein @JonRothstein
NC State is no longer an option for St. John's transfer Chris Obekpa, sources told @CBSSports. One year of eligibility remaining. #sjubb
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Jon Rothstein @JonRothstein
NC State is no longer an option for St. John's transfer Chris Obekpa, sources told @CBSSports. One year of eligibility remaining. #sjubb
Running out of options.
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Jon Rothstein @JonRothstein
NC State is no longer an option for St. John's transfer Chris Obekpa, sources told @CBSSports. One year of eligibility remaining. #sjubb
Possibly need ship for Maverick....
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Unless he was either going to a top program like Kentucky or a place where they could of improved upon his scoring skill set, he should of stayed. As of right now, he's a 2nd round pick at best.
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Jon Rothstein @JonRothstein
NC State is no longer an option for St. John's transfer Chris Obekpa, sources told @CBSSports. One year of eligibility remaining. #sjubb
Possibly need ship for Maverick....
NC State coach is friends with Lavin and probably asked for his recommendation. I can't imagine Lavin said anything other than "stay as far away as you can."
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Jon Rothstein @JonRothstein
NC State is no longer an option for St. John's transfer Chris Obekpa, sources told @CBSSports. One year of eligibility remaining. #sjubb
Running out of options.
Hope he ends up getting his degree, for his sake
Basketball program wise, good riddance, I hope no other team has to deal with him
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What a waste. Kid was the best shot blocker in college ball easily, and one of the best I've ever seen in college ball. If his attitude was better, the sky was the limit for the kid.
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What a waste. Kid was the best shot blocker in college ball easily, and one of the best I've ever seen in college ball. If his attitude was better, the sky was the limit for the kid.
Agree, crazy sad
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What a waste. Kid was the best shot blocker in college ball easily, and one of the best I've ever seen in college ball. If his attitude was better, the sky was the limit for the kid.
Agree, crazy sad
Sad is not the word I would use in anything involving this kid...
Don't have any sympathy for the kid... he is selfish & greedy.. he had an incredible opportunity to reset his image and he blew it.
Actions & Consequences clearly on display... he should try to go to the D-League - work hard - and maybe something will change...
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+1 PMG
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Unless he was either going to a top program like Kentucky or a place where they could of improved upon his scoring skill set, he should of stayed. As of right now, he's a 2nd round pick at best.
There is no way he would be drafted in either round. Just no way. Don't feel too sorry for him. He is a prince in his country and his uncle is King. So don't feel too sorry for him. He is probably not a bad kid. In fact I know he's not because I've talked with him a couple of times. I think his problem was that he just had a lot of pride and he did not want to ever humble himself. You might say he was spoiled. He didn't exactly fit in perfectly here after growing up in a palace on the other side of the world. It made it more difficult for him to adjust to playing high major hoops in the USA. A major cultural adjustment and he couldn't make it.
He is a prince. I guess Charles Barkley wouldn't like him. But there is no way he will ever be drafted after all his shannanigans here and his lack of offense. Suspended for midnight madness, refusing to go into a game, ejections, more suspensions, and then not wanting to work hard under Mullin. If he can't get the Univ. of Minnesota to take him then how would an NBA team? Sorry, just not in the cards.
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Unless he was either going to a top program like Kentucky or a place where they could of improved upon his scoring skill set, he should of stayed. As of right now, he's a 2nd round pick at best.
There is no way he would be drafted in either round. Just no way. Don't feel too sorry for him. He is a prince in his country and his uncle is King. So don't feel too sorry for him. He is probably not a bad kid. In fact I know he's not because I've talked with him a couple of times. I think his problem was that he just had a lot of pride and he did not want to ever humble himself. You might say he was spoiled. He didn't exactly fit in perfectly here after growing up in a palace on the other side of the world. It made it more difficult for him to adjust to playing high major hoops in the USA. A major cultural adjustment and he couldn't make it.
He is a prince. I guess Charles Barkley wouldn't like him. But there is no way he will ever be drafted after all his shannanigans here and his lack of offense. Suspended for midnight madness, refusing to go into a game, ejections, more suspensions, and then not wanting to work hard under Mullin. If he can't get the Univ. of Minnesota to take him then how would an NBA team? Sorry, just not in the cards.
I'm sorry but Opekpa's uncle is a king????
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I think he's confused...that was Eddie Murphy.
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Unless he was either going to a top program like Kentucky or a place where they could of improved upon his scoring skill set, he should of stayed. As of right now, he's a 2nd round pick at best.
There is no way he would be drafted in either round. Just no way. Don't feel too sorry for him. He is a prince in his country and his uncle is King. So don't feel too sorry for him. He is probably not a bad kid. In fact I know he's not because I've talked with him a couple of times. I think his problem was that he just had a lot of pride and he did not want to ever humble himself. You might say he was spoiled. He didn't exactly fit in perfectly here after growing up in a palace on the other side of the world. It made it more difficult for him to adjust to playing high major hoops in the USA. A major cultural adjustment and he couldn't make it.
He is a prince. I guess Charles Barkley wouldn't like him. But there is no way he will ever be drafted after all his shannanigans here and his lack of offense. Suspended for midnight madness, refusing to go into a game, ejections, more suspensions, and then not wanting to work hard under Mullin. If he can't get the Univ. of Minnesota to take him then how would an NBA team? Sorry, just not in the cards.
I'm sorry but Opekpa's uncle is a king????
http://www.syracuse.com/orangebasketball/index.ssf/2013/02/st_johns_freshman_chris_obekpa.html
Obekpa’s grandfather was king of the Idoma tribe. The Idoma (pronounced Ee-doh-ma) occupy much of Central Nigeria with a population of approximately 3 million. They trace their existence in the region back four to five thousand years.
Obekpa’s father, Gabriel, is a prince, while his uncle, Elias Ikeoyi Obekpa, is the current king. When asked if his uncle lives in an actual palace, Obekpa almost sheepishly replies, “Yes.’’
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And he worked his summer job at Mcdowells.
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Unless he was either going to a top program like Kentucky or a place where they could of improved upon his scoring skill set, he should of stayed. As of right now, he's a 2nd round pick at best.
There is no way he would be drafted in either round. Just no way. Don't feel too sorry for him. He is a prince in his country and his uncle is King. So don't feel too sorry for him. He is probably not a bad kid. In fact I know he's not because I've talked with him a couple of times. I think his problem was that he just had a lot of pride and he did not want to ever humble himself. You might say he was spoiled. He didn't exactly fit in perfectly here after growing up in a palace on the other side of the world. It made it more difficult for him to adjust to playing high major hoops in the USA. A major cultural adjustment and he couldn't make it.
He is a prince. I guess Charles Barkley wouldn't like him. But there is no way he will ever be drafted after all his shannanigans here and his lack of offense. Suspended for midnight madness, refusing to go into a game, ejections, more suspensions, and then not wanting to work hard under Mullin. If he can't get the Univ. of Minnesota to take him then how would an NBA team? Sorry, just not in the cards.
He has a rare ability. There is absolutely a chance he would be drafted. Just because he's immature is no reason to think he's not NBA material. If anything, that's a prerequisite.
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Unless he was either going to a top program like Kentucky or a place where they could of improved upon his scoring skill set, he should of stayed. As of right now, he's a 2nd round pick at best.
There is no way he would be drafted in either round. Just no way. Don't feel too sorry for him. He is a prince in his country and his uncle is King. So don't feel too sorry for him. He is probably not a bad kid. In fact I know he's not because I've talked with him a couple of times. I think his problem was that he just had a lot of pride and he did not want to ever humble himself. You might say he was spoiled. He didn't exactly fit in perfectly here after growing up in a palace on the other side of the world. It made it more difficult for him to adjust to playing high major hoops in the USA. A major cultural adjustment and he couldn't make it.
He is a prince. I guess Charles Barkley wouldn't like him. But there is no way he will ever be drafted after all his shannanigans here and his lack of offense. Suspended for midnight madness, refusing to go into a game, ejections, more suspensions, and then not wanting to work hard under Mullin. If he can't get the Univ. of Minnesota to take him then how would an NBA team? Sorry, just not in the cards.
I'm sorry but Opekpa's uncle is a king????
http://www.syracuse.com/orangebasketball/index.ssf/2013/02/st_johns_freshman_chris_obekpa.html
Obekpa’s grandfather was king of the Idoma tribe. The Idoma (pronounced Ee-doh-ma) occupy much of Central Nigeria with a population of approximately 3 million. They trace their existence in the region back four to five thousand years.
Obekpa’s father, Gabriel, is a prince, while his uncle, Elias Ikeoyi Obekpa, is the current king. When asked if his uncle lives in an actual palace, Obekpa almost sheepishly replies, “Yes.’’
Well, there is where it all went wrong. We signed a 6'9 Joffrey.
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@JonRothstein: St. John's transfer Chris Obekpa will visit UNLV on August 3rd and 4th, source told @CBSSports. One year of eligibility remaining.
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I hope we get to play obekpa.
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I hope we get to play obekpa.
We wont because he has to sit out.
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looks like he's going to UNLV based on his instagram
https://instagram.com/p/6AtqeTCbqB/
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looks like he's going to UNLV based on his instagram
https://instagram.com/p/6AtqeTCbqB/
Hope he doesnt gamble.
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One year is long time of trying not get into trouble in Vegas...He was playing full time here and couldn't stay out of trouble.
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Might be the biggest dumbass in St John's basketball history
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Its actually two years he'll have to stay out of trouble. The sit out year and then the playing year. A lot can happen in a town w medicinal marijuana clinics
CO figures as long as he doesn't get jumped again in the locker room, he's ahead of the game.
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Might be the biggest dumbass in St John's basketball history
That is quite a group of company.
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Might be the biggest dumbass in St John's basketball history
That is quite a group of company.
My All Dumbass team
Nuri Lindsey
Willie Shaw
Rysheed Jordan
Jayson Williams
Chris Obepka
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Might be the biggest dumbass in St John's basketball history
That is quite a group of company.
My All Dumbass team
Nuri Lindsey
Willie Shaw
Rysheed Jordan
Jayson Williams
Chris Obepka
How did you leave off Grady Reynolds and Sharif Fordham.
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Might be the biggest dumbass in St John's basketball history
That is quite a group of company.
My All Dumbass team
Nuri Lindsey
Willie Shaw
Rysheed Jordan
Jayson Williams
Chris Obepka
How did you leave off Grady Reynolds and Sharif Fordham.
I wouldnt have Willie on there.
Sharif's issues were after he left SJU.
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Might be the biggest dumbass in St John's basketball history
That is quite a group of company.
My All Dumbass team
Nuri Lindsey
Willie Shaw
Rysheed Jordan
Jayson Williams
Chris Obepka
But what is the criteria? Lindsey quit when things got hard. Shaw played like he didn't care. Williams had a hard life, and later on showed horrible judgement, but at STJ, he was one of the best players in the program's history. And in regards to Jordan, I completely agree that he was high maintenance, entitled and immature, but he also put it together in the second half of last year, and I thought he played very well.
If it's a list that includes all time dumbasses while at STJ and beyond, Ron Artest and Jayson Williams have got to be the captains of that team. Also, we're forgetting Grady Reynolds, Elijah Ingram, Abe Keita and the ALMOST completely James Felton—who was kicked off the team by Fran Fraschilla because he was stealing.
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Might be the biggest dumbass in St John's basketball history
That is quite a group of company.
My All Dumbass team
Nuri Lindsey
Willie Shaw
Rysheed Jordan
Jayson Williams
Chris Obepka
How did you leave off Grady Reynolds and Sharif Fordham.
I wouldnt have Willie on there.
Sharif's issues were after he left SJU.
i think you have to include Omar Cook on the all time list.
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Might be the biggest dumbass in St John's basketball history
That is quite a group of company.
My All Dumbass team
Nuri Lindsey
Willie Shaw
Rysheed Jordan
Jayson Williams
Chris Obepka
How did you leave off Grady Reynolds and Sharif Fordham.
I wouldnt have Willie on there.
Sharif's issues were after he left SJU.
i think you have to include Omar Cook on the all time list.
Omar Cook is the best point guard I've ever seen at St.John's. Why is he a dumbass?
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Might be the biggest dumbass in St John's basketball history
That is quite a group of company.
My All Dumbass team
Nuri Lindsey
Willie Shaw
Rysheed Jordan
Jayson Williams
Chris Obepka
How did you leave off Grady Reynolds and Sharif Fordham.
I wouldnt have Willie on there.
Sharif's issues were after he left SJU.
i think you have to include Omar Cook on the all time list.
Omar Cook is the best point guard I've ever seen at St.John's. Why is he a dumbass?
Being the "best point guard you've ever seen at St. John's" is irrelevant to him being a "dumbass." Disclaimer: I'm not saying he's one or not.
Regardless, let this "dumbass" thread and debate die.
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Might be the biggest dumbass in St John's basketball history
That is quite a group of company.
My All Dumbass team
Nuri Lindsey
Willie Shaw
Rysheed Jordan
Jayson Williams
Chris Obepka
I'd replace Shaw with a guy named Curtis Redding out of Canarsie high school. One of the all-time hot dogs.
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Might be the biggest dumbass in St John's basketball history
That is quite a group of company.
My All Dumbass team
Nuri Lindsey
Willie Shaw
Rysheed Jordan
Jayson Williams
Chris Obepka
How did you leave off Grady Reynolds and Sharif Fordham.
Ah yes. Forgot about Grady. A nice 6th dumbass
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BILLY Lawrence, flunks out after one varsity semester.....would have been an alltime great. Appropriately, Drove a beer truck at first and now is a retired Transit cop in Fla. Jack Curran described him as his best player ever.
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BILLY Lawrence, flunks out after one varsity semester.....would have been an alltime great. Appropriately, Drove a beer truck at first and now is a retired Transit cop in Fla. Jack Curran described him as his best player ever.
Wow, before my time. But didn't know this. Jack Currans best player, imo, Kenny Anderson. Best high school player I've seen
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Might be the biggest dumbass in St John's basketball history
That is quite a group of company.
My All Dumbass team
Nuri Lindsey
Willie Shaw
Rysheed Jordan
Jayson Williams
Chris Obepka
How did you leave off Grady Reynolds and Sharif Fordham.
I wouldnt have Willie on there.
Sharif's issues were after he left SJU.
i think you have to include Omar Cook on the all time list.
Quoting a well-respected poster
"Omar Cook is still making a six figure salary playing in Europe. Sounds like a pretty good career to me.
"I was in the street (after he got cut by Dallas) and everyone was saying to me you should have stayed in school. But you can't compare me to a Jason Williams," Cook said. "Jason Williams went to Duke and Jason Williams lived in the suburbs. Jason Williams had everything growing up -- I had nothing."
Could it be that the best decision for Rysheed Jordan doesn't involve some half assed sports marketing degree from a half assed school like Saint John's? Perhaps his best interests don't align with those of middle aged college basketball fans? Maybe it's not a matter of what could have been, for you. Maybe it's a matter of what is, for him."
Bill Goodwin - beloved by discerning SJU fans - admitted to being paid all 4 years while in college and was busted for possession of boo and cocaine while in the CBA
Plus one to poison for the mention of Felton. Lenny Cooke.deserves mention, nobody pissed away more than Lenny Cooke. Moses Scurry as well.
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Goodwin might be talking about the cash housing stipend given to players before dorms.
Malik Stith quit on the team after Lindsey quit.
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Goodwin might be talking about the cash housing stipend given to players before dorms.
Yeah, no. He was talking about being paid by an agent for four years while he was in college.
https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1144&dat=19880403&id=JOYhAAAAIBAJ&sjid=eGQEAAAAIBAJ&pg=6298,1626063&hl=en.
Also, Jack Wolfinger, dumbass.
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Might be the biggest dumbass in St John's basketball history
That is quite a group of company.
My All Dumbass team
Nuri Lindsey
Willie Shaw
Rysheed Jordan
Jayson Williams
Chris Obepka
So who's the coach of that team? ;)
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Coach has to be Jarvis, no doubt.
He was handed a very good team on a silver platter built by Fran. Fran's core of that Riverside Church team of Artest, Jessie, Barkley and Glover. The McDonalds guys he replaced them with never developed here. Elijah and Diakite were rarely a factor and Cook was 1 and done.
Recruiting, or lack thereof. Telling NYC coaches he wont recruit their kids and he's sticking w international and junior college kids. He tried the first year, he brought in those McD's. After that, he couldn't be bothered.
Jarvis for Dumbass Coach!
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The Riverside kids recruited each other. Artest put the whole thing together himself. Fran should get very little credit. They wanted to stay together and still get PT right away. Solution? Go to a school that's down. St. John's certainly satisfied that requirement, plus they could stay home. No brainer. Fran gets credit for not screwing it up, but that;s all. There was no heavy lifting like the current staff is doing chasing SP, RA, and MH.
The other thing about Fran that bugs me is he seems to get credit for recruiting all the players that made up the elite eight team in 99. Lavorr Postell who was a pretty good NBA player and arguably the best player on that team was recruited by Mahoney. Also, Tyrone Grant, who was the leading rebounder and second leading scorer, was also recruited by Mahoney. Without those two guys, that Jarvis team would have been nothing. So don't give Fran so much credit for the recruiting all the time. It kind of bothers me, because he doesn't really deserve it.
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DIS-A-GREE...WILL-E-G!
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Coach has to be Jarvis, no doubt.
He was handed a very good team on a silver platter built by Fran. Fran's core of that Riverside Church team of Artest, Jessie, Barkley and Glover. The McDonalds guys he replaced them with never developed here. Elijah and Diakite were rarely a factor and Cook was 1 and done.
Recruiting, or lack thereof. Telling NYC coaches he wont recruit their kids and he's sticking w international and junior college kids. He tried the first year, he brought in those McD's. After that, he couldn't be bothered.
Jarvis for Dumbass Coach!
Do you really blame Jarvis that much for not recruiting these entitled overrated shits? Norm and Lavin chased them around for years, and they never came. So Jarvis saw the writing on the wall, and chose to ignore them. I don't blame him one bit. F Jason Fraser, that overrated piece of garbage.
At least with Jarvis, we won some tournament games. He might have been a jerk, but I'll take a jerk over the incompetent loser we replaced him with.
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Fraser was ours to lose. Staff bungled that recruitment.
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Fraser was ours to lose. Staff bungled that recruitment.
Mr.Glass
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I remember really wanting Fraser. But he was not all that good. He was hyped like obekpa but no better.
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I remember really wanting Fraser. But he was not all that good. He was hyped like obekpa but no better.
Believe you guys are forgetting he had two bad knees, numerous surgeries and missed some time.
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Grady Reynolds the thug, Abe Keita, & Mike Jarvis, The Three Stooges of St. John's that I successfully wiped from my memory, as if they never existed at all, let alone associated with St. John's, are now back in my memory, and I now have to face the fact that they were real after all. Thanks a lot guys, you really made my day.
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DIS-A-GREE...WILL-E-G!
Yeah, I recall a story that said Artest was all set to go to Miami, but a last second sit-down at a diner near LaGuardia with Fran changed his mind.
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Grady Reynolds the thug, Abe Keita, & Mike Jarvis, The Three Stooges of St. John's that I successfully wiped from my memory, as if they never existed at all, let alone associated with St. John's, are now back in my memory, and I now have to face the fact that they were real after all. Thanks a lot guys, you really made my day.
Would Abe Keita and Grady Reynolds even be mentioned if Harry didn't fire Jarvis on Christmas Eve like the great Satan he was? Blaming Jarvis for something that happened after he was fired is more than just unreasonable it's plain wrong.
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Grady Reynolds the thug, Abe Keita, & Mike Jarvis, The Three Stooges of St. John's that I successfully wiped from my memory, as if they never existed at all, let alone associated with St. John's, are now back in my memory, and I now have to face the fact that they were real after all. Thanks a lot guys, you really made my day.
Would Abe Keita and Grady Reynolds even be mentioned if Harry didn't fire Jarvis on Christmas Eve like the great Satan he was? Blaming Jarvis for something that happened after he was fired is more than just unreasonable it's plain wrong.
Grady Reynolds was a Jarvis recruit who beat a woman while Jarvis was coach. Abe Keita was a Jarvis recruit who received illegal payments while Jarvis was coach and undoubtedly with Jarvae's approval. So yeah, it's absolutely reasonable to blame the paper bag Mike Jarvis. You want to blame Harrington you might as well blame Pope Paul VI. He was pope when Harrington was ordained.
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Grady Reynolds the thug, Abe Keita, & Mike Jarvis, The Three Stooges of St. John's that I successfully wiped from my memory, as if they never existed at all, let alone associated with St. John's, are now back in my memory, and I now have to face the fact that they were real after all. Thanks a lot guys, you really made my day.
Would Abe Keita and Grady Reynolds even be mentioned if Harry didn't fire Jarvis on Christmas Eve like the great Satan he was? Blaming Jarvis for something that happened after he was fired is more than just unreasonable it's plain wrong.
Grady Reynolds was a Jarvis recruit who beat a woman while Jarvis was coach. Abe Keita was a Jarvis recruit who received illegal payments while Jarvis was coach and undoubtedly with Jarvae's approval. So yeah, it's absolutely reasonable to blame the paper bag Mike Jarvis. You want to blame Harrington you might as well blame Pope Paul VI. He was pope when Harrington was ordained.
If Grady Reynolds "beat a woman" that's on Grady Reynolds. Not Jarvis. Before Reynolds came to St.John's did he have a criminal record? If he did, you have a fair point. If he didn't, you have no point. Like I said, the blame belongs with Harry. No one has done more damage to the program than him.
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Grady Reynolds the thug, Abe Keita, & Mike Jarvis, The Three Stooges of St. John's that I successfully wiped from my memory, as if they never existed at all, let alone associated with St. John's, are now back in my memory, and I now have to face the fact that they were real after all. Thanks a lot guys, you really made my day.
Would Abe Keita and Grady Reynolds even be mentioned if Harry didn't fire Jarvis on Christmas Eve like the great Satan he was? Blaming Jarvis for something that happened after he was fired is more than just unreasonable it's plain wrong.
Grady Reynolds was a Jarvis recruit who beat a woman while Jarvis was coach. Abe Keita was a Jarvis recruit who received illegal payments while Jarvis was coach and undoubtedly with Jarvae's approval. So yeah, it's absolutely reasonable to blame the paper bag Mike Jarvis. You want to blame Harrington you might as well blame Pope Paul VI. He was pope when Harrington was ordained.
If Grady Reynolds "beat a woman" that's on Grady Reynolds. Not Jarvis. Before Reynolds came to St.John's did he have a criminal record? If he did, you have a fair point. If he didn't, you have no point. Like I said, the blame belongs with Harry. No one has done more damage to the program than him.
So if Grady Reynolds did not beat a woman before he came to SJU, Jarvis - who recruited Reynolds and wrote a book about how he was in the business of molding young men like Reynolds for future success - he''s innocent, but Harrington, who never heard of Grady Reynolds before the day he beat the woman, he's guilty.
Congratulations. You've made even less sense than usual. Maybe you should stick to telling people why no one should ever live anywhere else except the Valhalla that is Flushing..
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Grady Reynolds the thug, Abe Keita, & Mike Jarvis, The Three Stooges of St. John's that I successfully wiped from my memory, as if they never existed at all, let alone associated with St. John's, are now back in my memory, and I now have to face the fact that they were real after all. Thanks a lot guys, you really made my day.
Would Abe Keita and Grady Reynolds even be mentioned if Harry didn't fire Jarvis on Christmas Eve like the great Satan he was? Blaming Jarvis for something that happened after he was fired is more than just unreasonable it's plain wrong.
Grady Reynolds was a Jarvis recruit who beat a woman while Jarvis was coach. Abe Keita was a Jarvis recruit who received illegal payments while Jarvis was coach and undoubtedly with Jarvae's approval. So yeah, it's absolutely reasonable to blame the paper bag Mike Jarvis. You want to blame Harrington you might as well blame Pope Paul VI. He was pope when Harrington was ordained.
If Grady Reynolds "beat a woman" that's on Grady Reynolds. Not Jarvis. Before Reynolds came to St.John's did he have a criminal record? If he did, you have a fair point. If he didn't, you have no point. Like I said, the blame belongs with Harry. No one has done more damage to the program than him.
So if Grady Reynolds did not beat a woman before he came to SJU, Jarvis - who recruited Reynolds and wrote a book about how he was in the business of molding young men like Reynolds for future success - he''s innocent, but Harrington, who never heard of Grady Reynolds before the day he beat the woman, he's guilty.
Congratulations. You've made even less sense than usual. Maybe you should stick to telling people why no one should ever live anywhere else except the Valhalla that is Flushing..
Let me simplify this for you. People are responsible for their own actions.
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DIS-A-GREE...WILL-E-G!
Yeah, I recall a story that said Artest was all set to go to Miami, but a last second sit-down at a diner near LaGuardia with Fran changed his mind.
I don't recall this story. Maybe you could provide a link because it would be interesting to evaluate. I remember an interview with Artest where he detailed the process of bringing the Riverside guys along with him to Hillcrest so they could stay together. He said they could stay home and all get PT. It worked out real well for them. Now Fran gets credit for NOT messing it up, but he did not have to do the heavy lifting because the deal was already on the table when he got there. We know Hofstra out recruited him for Speedy though.
It seems to me that this guy, with one tourney win to his name, gets way to much credit. He criticized Carnesecca because he said his teams did not play haaaaawwwrd. (Gee willickers Fran). Maybe because they did not shake their there heads back and forth while playing defense (which is very bad technique). And one more point; two of Jarvis' three best players were recruited by Mahoney. Not Fran. Yet Fran goes around telling people that he recruited those players that made the Elite Eight.
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Fran deserves more credit than you are giving him.
The Artest going to Miami is a true story. The interview you heard is probably true too. True, the holdovers from Mahoney; Ty Grant, Lavor Postell were key contributors. However, Fran brought the program into the 21st Century if not the 20th Century.
He introduced weight training and conditioning. He was a great recruiter when you consider the athleticism and pedigree he was bringing in. Artest, Barkley, Jessie, Thornton, Glover, Gray. We started hitting 3-pointers, something St Johns never did consistently. We had five guys on the court who could rebound, dribble, pass and shoot.
Fran left the program in much better shape than how he found it.
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Jarvis' first two teams overachieved with both Fran and Mahoney's players. But let me ask you this? What has Fran ever done since he left? Nothing. He had that one tourney win over OK to hang his hat on and that is it. He included games against DII schools in his win total at SJU and told people he won 20 at St. John's, but he didn't really. Didn't win a game in the one tourney he made. And has done nothing since. The best he did was get another mid major offer which he backed out of in the end. I think he gets way too much credit as a basketball coach. A very confident guy but just a big mouth overall. And I'm very unimpressed with his knowledge of the game. He acted like he had it all over on Carnesecca as a coach. Are you kidding me? What a joke! He played DII teams and to start the game he ran four special plays to start the game. The fans were actually impressed with this, failing to realize that it was against inferior comp. After the game we heard typical Franny bravado. THINGS ARE GOING TO DIFFERENT AROUND HERE FROM NOW ON! As if to say he was a much smarter and better coach then his predecessors. This sort of attitude infuriated Carnesecca and eventually became something of a factor in his dismissal a year and a half later.
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Never heard the stories you are weaving. Speedy kept his commitment to hofstra.
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Fran deserves more credit than you are giving him.
The Artest going to Miami is a true story. The interview you heard is probably true too. True, the holdovers from Mahoney; Ty Grant, Lavor Postell were key contributors. However, Fran brought the program into the 21st Century if not the 20th Century.
He introduced weight training and conditioning. He was a great recruiter when you consider the athleticism and pedigree he was bringing in. Artest, Barkley, Jessie, Thornton, Glover, Gray. We started hitting 3-pointers, something St Johns never did consistently. We had five guys on the court who could rebound, dribble, pass and shoot.
Fran left the program in much better shape than how he found it.
I guess you are insinuating that Carnesecca had the program in 19th century basketball mode. (the game was invented in 1890). Well, if that's where he had the program, I'd be much happier to go back there now. They had a top ten team , on average, every other year. He made the HALL OF FAME. Don't even compare Fran to him.
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Never heard the stories you are weaving. Speedy kept his commitment to hofstra.
After he was hired Fran put in a call to Jay at Hofstra in which he told him that "I'm going to have to take a look at Speedy". Surely you've heard that story. Well, he didn't get him. What other story haven't you heard? That he backed out of the Iona job? That he said Louie's teams didn't play hard? That he acted like he was better. That he didn't pay his due respect to the coaching legend at the school? Don't think that was not a factor in his getting let go. The locker room stuff was just the excuse. And then also he was talking to Arizona State. After all he was Fran Fraschilla and he can't stay at a place like St. John's for more than two years.
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We know Hofstra out recruited him for Speedy though.
That is just not true at all... coming out of high school, Speedy Claxton was not considered a Big East player. Do you remember his team at CTK..? He had high level Div I coaches at just about every game and the best he could do at the time was Hofstra.
Obviously he was better then the level he played at in college but also, would he have gotten the opportunities to shine the way he did if he had gone to a higher level school..
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We know Hofstra out recruited him for Speedy though.
That is just not true at all... coming out of high school, Speedy Claxton was not considered a Big East player. Do you remember his team at CTK..? He had high level Div I coaches at just about every game and the best he could do at the time was Hofstra.
Obviously he was better then the level he played at in college but also, would he have gotten the opportunities to shine the way he did if he had gone to a higher level school..
Absolutely. Fran did not get beat by Speedy.
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We know Hofstra out recruited him for Speedy though.
That is just not true at all... coming out of high school, Speedy Claxton was not considered a Big East player. Do you remember his team at CTK..? He had high level Div I coaches at just about every game and the best he could do at the time was Hofstra.
Obviously he was better then the level he played at in college but also, would he have gotten the opportunities to shine the way he did if he had gone to a higher level school..
Absolutely. Fran did not get beat by Speedy.
And if Fran did get beat by Speedy, it was Father Harrington's fault, because everyone is responsible for their own actions.