6th Man of St. John's Basketball
St. John's Red Storm => Recruiting => 2020 Class => Topic started by: NYCoffey on June 15, 2018, 09:59:31 PM
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https://mobile.twitter.com/Andrew__Slater/status/1007748732677492736
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Up against Antigua again:
https://twitter.com/PoshAlexander/status/1153427469510283265
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https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/2020/posh-alexander-183448
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Only a 3 star- I will pass. And yes we do not need to waste a future class schollie on a 5'10 PG.
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Only a 3 star- I will pass. And yes we do not need to waste a future class schollie on a 5'10 PG.
Yea, we always have too many capable point guards.
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Only a 3 star- I will pass. And yes we do not need to waste a future class schollie on a 5'10 PG.
ESPN: 4 stars, ranked 83rd.
http://www.espn.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/playerrankings/_/view/espnu100/sort/rank/class/2020
247: 4 stars, ranked 99th.
https://247sports.com/Player/Posh-Alexander-46036259/
As I live in Spain I can´t access Rivals page, but I read in verbalcommits.com that he is a 4 stars by Rivals.
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ESPN: 4 stars, ranked 83rd.
http://www.espn.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/playerrankings/_/view/espnu100/sort/rank/class/2020
247: 4 stars, ranked 99th.
https://247sports.com/Player/Posh-Alexander-46036259/
As I live in Spain I can´t access Rivals page, but I read in verbalcommits.com that he is a 4 stars by Rivals.
Rivals he is a 3- while rivals is not perfect I trust it most
https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/2020/posh-alexander-183448
Plus we do not need another short PG- recruit 6'2 and above for future scholarships. He will have a whole year and likely good season to get better. Let the bandaids we got this year transfer once we haul in a good class.
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we always harp on not keeping NYC kids home and when one is interested we make excuses...only 3 stars, not tall enough.
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Haters gonna hate
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Mel B > Posh
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we always harp on not keeping NYC kids home and when one is interested we make excuses...only 3 stars, not tall enough.
I never have harped on that. I have always said- if the roster is all out of state and 4s and 5s and we win I do not care. As far as I am concerned the local obsession is nonsense. What matters is winning, PERIOD.
Many prep out and there is so much talent outside of NYC. Its the obsession with local scene that hurts us. Throw an extra offer to a 4 star from CA or Midwest or South that has a higher ceiling then a local kid with a lower ceiling as long as you are willing to put in the work to recruit the better kid. And from what I have seen in reports, this staff seems to be all about hard work in this regard.
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Heard a commit from him is imminent, if so a great get for Anderson for 2020
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He was as high as 59 on Rivals a year ago. Any idea why he dropped to 126? Injuries? Inconsistency?
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He broke his arm and missed most of his high school season. No idea what if any effect it had on his ranking
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https://247sports.com/PlayerInstitution/Posh-Alexander-at-Our-Saviour-Lutheran-School-185758/CurrentExpertPredictions/
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SJU closing in on a 4 star top 100 kid? Weird, I was told that Anderson couldn't recruit those type of players.
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Not bad but not great. Better than guys on the roster right now. I'd prefer a guy who can shoot better than Posh.
If going local was the goal I would have put full court press on RJ Davis but his commit to Pitt might be imminent
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Not bad but not great. Better than guys on the roster right now. I'd prefer a guy who can shoot better than Posh.
If going local was the goal I would have put full court press on RJ Davis but his commit to Pitt might be imminent
Davey Downer. LOL
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Not bad but not great. Better than guys on the roster right now. I'd prefer a guy who can shoot better than Posh.
If going local was the goal I would have put full court press on RJ Davis but his commit to Pitt might be imminent
Good grief. Staff closing in on a top 100 local kid that would provide stability in the most important position in the game for 3-4 years and gotta rain on the parade. Man, I don't know what Anderson did to you.
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They won’t be pleased in South Orange if this happens. And their track record with identifying solid under appreciated kids is pretty good right now. Hall has been on this kid for years and took another PG because of fear he wouldn’t commit. A solid list of schools chasing Posh and if Anderson can get this done after being on the kid for a few months that’s a good thing IMO.
Not bad but not great. Better than guys on the roster right now. I'd prefer a guy who can shoot better than Posh.
If going local was the goal I would have put full court press on RJ Davis but his commit to Pitt might be imminent
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Good grief. Staff closing in on a top 100 local kid that would provide stability in the most important position in the game for 3-4 years and gotta rain on the parade. Man, I don't know what Anderson did to you.
I shared my honest opinion and it looks like there was merit to that as experts clearly agree as the new 247 rankings came out just now and Posh dropped out of Top 100 while RJ Davis moved up 16 spots to 67.
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Posh is committing tomorrow at 6:30
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I shared my honest opinion and it looks like there was merit to that as experts clearly agree as the new 247 rankings came out just now and Posh dropped out of Top 100 while RJ Davis moved up 16 spots to 67.
The farther he drops the more likely he commits. He was recently dropped from a 4-star recruit to a 3-star. If he drops to a two he's a mortal lock.
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This is funny. 4 star local kid is coming and the Mullin’s fans are still crying.
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I shared my honest opinion and it looks like there was merit to that as experts clearly agree as the new 247 rankings came out just now and Posh dropped out of Top 100 while RJ Davis moved up 16 spots to 67.
he broke his arm 3 games into his junior year...that might explain it.
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I shared my honest opinion and it looks like there was merit to that as experts clearly agree as the new 247 rankings came out just now and Posh dropped out of Top 100 while RJ Davis moved up 16 spots to 67.
Is it within the realm of possibility that if the staff had pursued Davis heavily instead of Posh they would have ended up with neither player?
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I’m giessing he dropped in rankings, because he didn’t play much of his junior year from injury, but tore it up on the AAU circuit this summer, we don’t need a guy like that commuting tomorrow- eye roll
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I’m giessing he dropped in rankings, because he didn’t play much of his junior year from injury, but tore it up on the AAU circuit this summer, we don’t need a guy like that commuting tomorrow- eye roll
They are just hating on coach 3rd choice.
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https://www.zagsblog.com/2019/08/21/posh-alexander-poised-to-announce-thursday/?fbclid=IwAR3Zr2srieHCmTQWKAn-OHCYTz90U2e6hNma5vEHO3kJfHbgOoG2p-6XYYQ
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This is funny. 4 star local kid is coming and the Mullin’s fans are still crying.
Let's all hope he sucks so we can be a step closer to firing another coach which would make everybody happy. :-[
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They are just hating on coach 3rd choice.
L’Étranger
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<a gym teacher pays $21.50 to take the train from his basement apartment in Queens to Jones Beach. on the way he pauses to take a shit and calls his mother>
Hi Mommy, it's your son, TonyD.
Oh hi baby, what's new.
Nothing much mommy, you know, living the high life. I have summer's off so I'm taking the train to Jones Beach. Can't wait to get there and sit in the sun with ten thousand other mooks. Probably I'll have a hot dog for lunch and maybe an orange soda. Then maybe I'll take a swim and piss in the ocean. Being a gym teacher I can afford to splurge on such luxuries.
That's nice honey but don't spend to much time in the sun without slathering coppertone on your pot belly and saggy tits. You know how you burn.
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Yes hon, you mention his erection almost daily.
But mommy, he calls Coach Anderson Coach Third Choice and today I called him coach third choice too and you should have seen his face and -
That's nice dear I'd like to meet your friend foad some day, and his erection, it sounds delicious. Why don't you invite him over for dinnner Sunday, I'm making some of that potted meat you like.
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I don’t like seeing that a PG has spotty shooting and defense. From the little I’ve seen his shot mechanics look solid so I’m not worried about that.
His handle looks good...just needs to use his left better like most high school kids. He appears to be very athletic.
Solid addition IMO.
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Not bad but not great. Better than guys on the roster right now. I'd prefer a guy who can shoot better than Posh.
If going local was the goal I would have put full court press on RJ Davis but his commit to Pitt might be imminent
How is landing a local 4* kid that fills a position of need not a great addition? There being better players out there doesn’t mean they’re better options. Solid get if true.
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he broke his arm 3 games into his junior year...that might explain it.
That's fair and that happens. Even Donovan Mitchell dropped when he missed some time.
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I don’t like seeing that a PG has spotty shooting and defense. From the little I’ve seen his shot mechanics look solid so I’m not worried about that.
His handle looks good...just needs to use his left better like most high school kids. He appears to be very athletic.
Solid addition IMO.
He's a good get and probably our best one yet.
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Cue this on the board for Van Macon. Solid addition to the program but like most recruits we've gone after the years comes with some risk. He has a good amount of ground he needs to make up in the classroom to be eligible.
Not impossible but it's why he's not more sought after. For schools like St. John's, Seton Hall, etc you have to take chances like this.
Good one to get and should help get some more guys.
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Nothing this staff is good enough for many posters, but take a chance on a cross dressing felon big man and it’s worth the risk
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Nothing this staff is good enough for many posters, but take a chance on a cross dressing felon big man and it’s worth the risk
This staff hasn’t done much in terms of recruiting. The 2019 class was horrific. It doesn’t even matter if they fit the system and ends up contributing. I refuse to believe that there weren’t much better players that also fit the system.
Lavin and Mullin brought in dynamic classes their first full year. I doubt Anderson comes close.
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This staff hasn’t done much in terms of recruiting. The 2019 class was horrific. It doesn’t even matter if they fit the system and ends up contributing. I refuse to believe that there weren’t much better players that also fit the system.
Lavin and Mullin brought in dynamic classes their first full year. I doubt Anderson comes close.
So if the guys he brought in end up being good it won’t matter because when they were signed you didn’t think they were good enough?
What was the dynamic first class Mullin brought in? Admittedly I liked those guys, Sima and Yakwe and Lovett. Did any of them work out? Maybe it’s a good thing he’s picking fits over prospects early on. Maybe McGriff is the perfect backup pg for 4 years. Maybe Champaigne is a solid 4 year versatile forward. Maybe Coach Anderson has a better idea about the players than anyone else on this board does. And maybe he doesn’t succeed at St. John’s. If he doesn’t you, me and everybody else will let it be known, but can we give it a year or two before we declare him as a failure?
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Yea Ellison Sima yakwe Lovette were pillars of strength for this team
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This staff hasn’t done much in terms of recruiting. The 2019 class was horrific. It doesn’t even matter if they fit the system and ends up contributing. I refuse to believe that there weren’t much better players that also fit the system.
Lavin and Mullin brought in dynamic classes their first full year. I doubt Anderson comes close.
Mullin’s dynamic class? WOW! Plenty of stars on the last 3 losing teams. Very few graduates. Won’t take much to surpass, 8th, 9th (tied for last) and last years magical 7th place season.
Cant this guy lose before he gets killed?
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Lavin and Mullin brought in dynamic classes their first full year. I doubt Anderson comes close.
Lavin bought in one guy his first year. That guy transferred after one season. Granted Lavin inherited a team full of seniors. But if you're comparing Lavin's second class to Anderson's first than that is completely disingenuous.
Mullin's first class consisted of a bunch of players that were ranked highly but did little to nothing here.
Lovett - gone after a year and change
Yakwe - bad player
Darien Williams - contributed in spots but not consistently
Malik Ellison - gone after 2 sub-par seasons
Mussini - same as Ellison
Sima - gone after a year and a half
Maybe guys like McGriff, Sears and Champagnie won't be good and will leave after a year or two. But if one of them stays all 4 years and becomes a contributor in years 3 and 4 then that would be way more than Lavin or Mullin got out of their first classes.
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Mullin’s dynamic class? WOW! Plenty of stars on the last 3 losing teams. Very few graduates. Won’t take much to surpass, 8th, 9th (tied for last) and last years magical 7th place season.
Cant this guy lose before he gets killed?
How would you describe a class of Mo Harkless, Jakkar Sampson, Dom Pointer, Phil Greene, and Amir Garrett?
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Lavin bought in one guy his first year. That guy transferred after one season. Granted Lavin inherited a team full of seniors. But if you're comparing Lavin's second class to Anderson's first than that is completely disingenuous.
Mullin's first class consisted of a bunch of players that were ranked highly but did little to nothing here.
Lovett - gone after a year and change
Yakwe - bad player
Darien Williams - contributed in spots but not consistently
Malik Ellison - gone after 2 sub-par seasons
Mussini - same as Ellison
Sima - gone after a year and a half
Maybe guys like McGriff, Sears and Champagnie won't be good and will leave after a year or two. But if one of them stays all 4 years and becomes a contributor in years 3 and 4 then that would be way more than Lavin or Mullin got out of their first classes.
What part of “first full year” did you struggle with?
Lovett was a top 50 player and played like one here.
Yakwe was a top 100 recruit.
You are forgetting Shamorie Ponds.
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How would you describe a class of Mo Harkless, Jakkar Sampson, Dom Pointer, Phil Greene, and Amir Garrett?
You forgot DeAngelo
That was an excellent class, best we have had since the Artest class but Lavin never really added to it .
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What part of “first full year” did you struggle with?
Lovett was a top 50 player and played like one here.
Yakwe was a top 100 recruit.
You are forgetting Shamorie Ponds.
So you're comparing Lavin's and Mullin's first 12 months of recruiting to Anderson's first 4. Seems fair.
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How would you describe a class of Mo Harkless, Jakkar Sampson, Dom Pointer, Phil Greene, and Amir Garrett?
Plus Harrison. Amazing. Loved them. Even though they should have been more successful. 4 years of very enjoyable basketball.
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What part of “first full year” did you struggle with?
Lovett was a top 50 player and played like one here.
Yakwe was a top 100 recruit.
You are forgetting Shamorie Ponds.
All true. But it makes mullin and staff look worse not better. Lovett quit. Yakwe wasn’t good. Still he should have played more. In the big east we were playing walk ons over him vs Xavier. At the very least he should have been an ok back up. Not like their was anyone to compete with.
All 4 years depth was an issue. You can’t have multiple guys sitting out. Simon was the only one good enough to wait for and he left early so in hind sight that was a mistake also. Clarke wasn’t good enough to start in the big east (mistake).
Dixion, Wright, and most likely carahar we’re mistakes. The big center from South Carolina? 2 scholarship years on him.
Mullin has had plenty of good players. They never developed, quit, or transferred.
Imagine if we had the Tariq Owens’s that played for Texas tech last year? He wasn’t the same guy he was here.
As bad as amar was. He was never recruited over.
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So you're comparing Lavin's and Mullin's first 12 months of recruiting to Anderson's first 4. Seems fair.
Are you intentionally being obtuse? You consistently seem to struggle with the basic recall of facts you are responding to.
Here is what I wrote:
“Lavin and Mullin brought in dynamic classes their first full year. I doubt Anderson comes close.”
The last sentence clearly states a future expectation. The book won’t be closed on that for another year.
Recruiting classes don’t just fall from the sky...there are rumors, quotes from players and coaches, final lists, momentum, etc.
By this time both Mullin and especially Lavin had tons of momentum and were sitting pretty for top ranked talent. Anderson is not even close to them.
I’ve already stated multiple times that I believe Anderson is a better coach than either Mullin or Lavin and that I have faith in him finishing off the roster—something they never could. I also said I think he will be a better judge of talent, but he needs to bring in the big fish or it’s sll for naught. That is a legitimate concern at this point.
I don’t hesitate to give the man credit, and I think my take on him has been very fair. I’m sorry if I don’t land on one extreme or the other like every other St. John’s fan.
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All true. But it makes mullin and staff look worse not better. Lovett quit. Yakwe wasn’t good. Still he should have played more. In the big east we were playing walk ons over him vs Xavier. At the very least he should have been an ok back up. Not like their was anyone to compete with.
All 4 years depth was an issue. You can’t have multiple guys sitting out. Simon was the only one good enough to wait for and he left early so in hind sight that was a mistake also. Clarke wasn’t good enough to start in the big east (mistake).
Dixion, Wright, and most likely carahar we’re mistakes. The big center from South Carolina? 2 scholarship years on him.
Mullin has had plenty of good players. They never developed, quit, or transferred.
Imagine if we had the Tariq Owens’s that played for Texas tech last year? He wasn’t the same guy he was here.
As bad as amar was. He was never recruited over.
My position was very narrow. Why do you feel the need to create strawmen arguments?
Lavin and Mullin both had huge shortcomings. I’ve always been criticical of them.
Lavin couldn’t finish off a roster to save his life and that cost him a job. He couldn’t land the Sears types every non-Blue blood needs.
Mullin and his staff didn’t evaluate talent well and they also didn’t finish off the roster well—although they did get better.
To be successful here you need to be able to coach at a high level, recruit a handful of top 100 players and 1-2 top 50-75 players, and finish off a roster with good glue guys. Without all of those elements it’s futile. My issue with Anserson is bringing the big fish. We didn’t even come close to even a Durand Johnson type of contested recruit for 2019.
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My position was very narrow. Why do you feel the need to create strawmen arguments?
Lavin and Mullin both had huge shortcomings. I’ve always been criticical of them.
Lavin couldn’t finish off a roster to save his life and that cost him a job. He couldn’t land the Sears types every non-Blue blood needs.
Mullin and his staff didn’t evaluate talent well and they also didn’t finish off the roster well—although they did get better.
To be successful here you need to be able to coach at a high level, recruit a handful of top 100 players and 1-2 top 50-75 players, and finish off a roster with good glue guys. Without all of those elements it’s futile. My issue with Anserson is bringing the big fish. We didn’t even come close to even a Durand Johnson type of contested recruit for 2019.
I don’t disagree with you. I just think you way to critical of our new coach. He has a track record of getting good players. He has hired good recruiters to work with him. Unless you think he is mailing it in, why won’t he get players?
Honestly don’t remember, why was Durand Johnson available? Was he the kind of guy to lay the foundation of a program?
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Anderson will not have a class like Lavin had in 2011. 1)That was one of if not the best recruiting class in the schools history 2) Lavin had an insane amount of scholarships open so there was quality and quantity. I am hoping for a top 25 class, posh is a good start. Anderson and staff are working hard and casting a large net, not much else you can ask for. The results will how they will ultimately be judged and those are TBD.
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So if the guys he brought in end up being good it won’t matter because when they were signed you didn’t think they were good enough?
What was the dynamic first class Mullin brought in? Admittedly I liked those guys, Sima and Yakwe and Lovett. Did any of them work out? Maybe it’s a good thing he’s picking fits over prospects early on. Maybe McGriff is the perfect backup pg for 4 years. Maybe Champaigne is a solid 4 year versatile forward. Maybe Coach Anderson has a better idea about the players than anyone else on this board does. And maybe he doesn’t succeed at St. John’s. If he doesn’t you, me and everybody else will let it be known, but can we give it a year or two before we declare him as a failure?
I'm not sure where are the defensive posting has come from a majority of the community. To question or critique is not being anti or rooting against.
I don't get why so many were so quick to lash out at Mullin but are so quick to defend Anderson. I just don't understand the basis.
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You forgot DeAngelo
That was an excellent class, best we have had since the Artest class but Lavin never really added to it .
Staff changes and fall out with Repole. Ugh we were so close
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All true. But it makes mullin and staff look worse not better. Lovett quit. Yakwe wasn’t good. Still he should have played more. In the big east we were playing walk ons over him vs Xavier. At the very least he should have been an ok back up. Not like their was anyone to compete with.
All 4 years depth was an issue. You can’t have multiple guys sitting out. Simon was the only one good enough to wait for and he left early so in hind sight that was a mistake also. Clarke wasn’t good enough to start in the big east (mistake).
Dixion, Wright, and most likely carahar we’re mistakes. The big center from South Carolina? 2 scholarship years on him.
Mullin has had plenty of good players. They never developed, quit, or transferred.
Imagine if we had the Tariq Owens’s that played for Texas tech last year? He wasn’t the same guy he was here.
As bad as amar was. He was never recruited over.
Marvin Clark was a mistake? Dude hit 2 threes a game and averaged double digits in scoring over 2 years. We don't beat Maquette last year without him. He was tough kid who repped school well during his time here. Lets not tear down.
Ponds became all Big East, Simon was defensive player of the year, LJ got better as year went through as did all the freshman.
No player nor coach has been perfect but the fact remains the school doesn't do enough to support and cultivate a winning program.
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So you're comparing Lavin's and Mullin's first 12 months of recruiting to Anderson's first 4. Seems fair.
The issue I have is Lavin had a game plan with that class. Everything was lined up like Dominos from Amir to Moe to Sampson to Harrison.
Mullin had rentals lined up to balance out scholarships and while some guys didn't pan out there was always a backup plan ready. We got more talent in less time. I still strongly believe if Lovett sacked up that team made the tourney.
So far under Anderson we seemed to hook anything that would bite. It's going to be a tear down after this season as Heron is gone and if LJ crushes it this year he's probably walking too. There is significant drop off after that with no real pipelines in place. Posh is legitimately only Big East player we've landed. It's a start!!
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I'm not sure where are the defensive posting has come from a majority of the community. To question or critique is not being anti or rooting against.
I don't get why so many were so quick to lash out at Mullin but are so quick to defend Anderson. I just don't understand the basis.
Quick to lash out at Mullin? Before he had coached his first game?
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COME TO ST JOHNS POSH
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I'm not sure where are the defensive posting has come from a majority of the community. To question or critique is not being anti or rooting against.
I don't get why so many were so quick to lash out at Mullin but are so quick to defend Anderson. I just don't understand the basis.
I’m not sure what your first paragraph is supposed to mean or what it had to do with what I posted. I was a full supporter of Mullin.
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I don’t disagree with you. I just think you way to critical of our new coach. He has a track record of getting good players. He has hired good recruiters to work with him. Unless you think he is mailing it in, why won’t he get players?
Honestly don’t remember, why was Durand Johnson available? Was he the kind of guy to lay the foundation of a program?
Durand Johnson was a grad transfer from Pitt who was ranked around 100 out of high school. There were several good schools going after him. The reason why I being him up is because there is no reason we shouldn’t have landed a grad transfer like him over high major programs instead of who we got.
Not getting Jaylen Fisher is bizarre to me.
I also don’t have issues with any particular player that was brought in but it’s not even close to a sustainable model of success. We were recruiting against bad programs for these guys.
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Durand Johnson was a grad transfer from Pitt who was ranked around 100 out of high school. There were several good schools going after him. The reason why I being him up is because there is no reason we shouldn’t have landed a grad transfer like him over high major programs instead of who we got.
Not getting Jaylen Fisher is bizarre to me.
I also don’t have issues with any particular player that was brought in but it’s not even close to a sustainable model of success. We were recruiting against bad programs for these guys.
Wasn't it the Slice connection with Pitt that landed us Durand Johnson.
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Let's see what Anderson does once he's actually coached real games for SJU before poo pooing him.
If he wins, he'll start landing higher rated recruits. If he doesn't then he deserves the criticism. But let's all hold off until the season gets going.
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Committed to us!
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https://twitter.com/PoshAlexander/status/1164663284718592011?s=19
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Welcome Posh!!!
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Great get for Coach! Welcome Posh! Per the NYP article, Posh is also looking to recruit for us. https://nypost.com/2019/08/22/homegrown-posh-alexander-stays-close-with-st-johns-commitment/
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Nice pickup! Very encouraging to read what these recruits and current players are saying about Anderson.
“Hopefully he can be the linchpin of something great,” AAU coach Shandue McNeill said. “They made an instant connection with Posh and his family. They did a great job of recruiting him.”
"How Anderson would personally meet with players daily and the interest everyone on staff was taking in the development of the members of the team."
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Funny how the post article, while referencing Macon’s involvement, isn’t dominated by repeated references or inferences to the “one assistant” who landed the player? Hmmmmmm
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He looks like our PG of the future.
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Great pickup...nice start to this class
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Mullin had rentals lined up to balance out scholarships and while some guys didn't pan out there was always a backup plan ready.
I don't know what planet you were living on during the Mullin era. What was the backup plan for the one true big we desperately needed for 3 straight years that we never got?
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I don't know what planet you were living on during the Mullin era. What was the backup plan for the one true big we desperately needed for 3 straight years that we never got?
The back up plan was to exit stage left (with sacks of cash on the way out).
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I don't know what planet you were living on during the Mullin era. What was the backup plan for the one true big we desperately needed for 3 straight years that we never got?
You make it sound like you can just get bigs like you'd get eggs at the supermarket. Who would you have gotten?
Tariq Owens bouncing hurt badly. I've said it a number of times that the staff should have done more to keep him instead of being prideful. I think Josh Roberts was a solid get considering how late and I think Ian Steere is type of player fans have wanted for a long time.
Lavin's staff had flaws, Mullin's staff had flaws, and Anderson's staff will have flaws. We aren't going to get perfect results but there needs to be strategy + continuity for this program to truly change.
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You make it sound like you can just get bigs like you'd get eggs at the supermarket. Who would you have gotten?
There's an easy answer to that: Hasahn French. Instead, Matt and Mullin decided to roll the dice on the crossdresser and let French slip away. That was a monumentally terrible decision that still doesn't get enough criticism.
Let me also redirect that question at you when you constantly criticize the quality of player Anderson bought in after getting the job in late April. Anderson had to fill out a roster and quality players that late in the game aren't available like eggs in the supermarket. Matt and Mullin had 3 years to get another quality big and never did. There were no backup plans.
Lavin's staff had flaws, Mullin's staff had flaws, and Anderson's staff will have flaws. We aren't going to get perfect results but there needs to be strategy + continuity for this program to truly change.
I think most people would agree with this but many are wondering why you fall so heavily on the anti-Anderson side of things. And please don't claim you are being objective, if the last staff got Posh you would have praised them and him up and down instead of claiming they should have went after RJ Davis instead.
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You make it sound like you can just get bigs like you'd get eggs at the supermarket. Who would you have gotten?
Tariq Owens bouncing hurt badly. I've said it a number of times that the staff should have done more to keep him instead of being prideful. I think Josh Roberts was a solid get considering how late and I think Ian Steere is type of player fans have wanted for a long time.
Lavin's staff had flaws, Mullin's staff had flaws, and Anderson's staff will have flaws. We aren't going to get perfect results but there needs to be strategy + continuity for this program to truly change.
Wow! Dave knows what happened. He saw it with his own eyes. He probably has more inside info then all of us put together.
Every staff may have flaws. Every staff isn’t flawed. The only strength the previous staff had was Chris Mullin’s name. That wasn’t going to last another recruiting cycle.
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You make it sound like you can just get bigs like you'd get eggs at the supermarket. Who would you have gotten?
Tariq Owens bouncing hurt badly. I've said it a number of times that the staff should have done more to keep him instead of being prideful. I think Josh Roberts was a solid get considering how late and I think Ian Steere is type of player fans have wanted for a long time.
Lavin's staff had flaws, Mullin's staff had flaws, and Anderson's staff will have flaws. We aren't going to get perfect results but there needs to be strategy + continuity for this program to truly change.
Dave you’ve made this point for years now, but the answer to our lack of size doesn’t have to be a top 100 kid. Plenty of big men are out there that we never bothered to even offer. If Mullin had a Lamont Middleton and a Mitchell Foster last year to man the paint, he would have made the sweet sixteen. We don’t have to have a star at every position. A center can play good d and rebound and score 5 a game.
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The only strength the previous staff had was Chris Mullin’s name. That wasn’t going to last another recruiting cycle.
Except it did. We had a top 100 kid for 2020 already signed when he was let go. Steere was the best big man recruit we've had in many years and Roberts has great upside. Williams is a keeper too.
The previous staff was flawed, but Mullin was going to replace Matt with a big upgrade in Hsu. Hsu not only can get top recruits, he can evaluate talent well.
My first and really only requisite for a coach here is getting top talent. I supported Jarvis, Mullin, and Lavin because of it. Norm could not get top talent and I despised him.
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I agree with you that Mullin still had some draw on the recruiting-side. We got talent, just couldn't round out a roster and too much of the revolving door stuff you get when your focus is so much in that vein. The 2020 recruit you point to, Tabor, would never have ended up here if Mullin stayed on, so I don't think that's a good example. The kids we got during Mullin's four years are a better example of his ability to draw talent.
I have no idea if Hsu is a big upgrade on Matt. But even with that move, we still would have Mitch and St. Jean on the sidelines, would still be operating off the "one recruiter" model, would still lack experience on the bench and with running a program (no way Mully lets Mitch go), so I think we'd be in the same boat.
I have no idea if this works out. I liked getting Posh. I liked Heron and Figgy thinking enough of Anderson to stay; you can say they had no options, but kids with their talent always have some option basketball-wise. Let's see if we can get more talent for 2020 and let's see how the new regime does.
Except it did. We had a top 100 kid for 2020 already signed when he was let go. Steere was the best big man recruit we've had in many years and Roberts has great upside. Williams is a keeper too.
The previous staff was flawed, but Mullin was going to replace Matt with a big upgrade in Hsu. Hsu not only can get top recruits, he can evaluate talent well.
My first and really only requisite for a coach here is getting top talent. I supported Jarvis, Mullin, and Lavin because of it. Norm could not get top talent and I despised him.
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Except it did. We had a top 100 kid for 2020 already signed when he was let go. Steere was the best big man recruit we've had in many years and Roberts has great upside. Williams is a keeper too.
The previous staff was flawed, but Mullin was going to replace Matt with a big upgrade in Hsu. Hsu not only can get top recruits, he can evaluate talent well.
My first and really only requisite for a coach here is getting top talent. I supported Jarvis, Mullin, and Lavin because of it. Norm could not get top talent and I despised him.
I'd take a coach who can coach up the talent on his roster over a good recruiter who can't coach any day. Thankfully I think Anderson will be able to blend the two. Coach kids up and then get the better recruits.
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I agree with you that Mullin still had some draw on the recruiting-side. We got talent, just couldn't round out a roster and too much of the revolving door stuff you get when your focus is so much in that vein. The 2020 recruit you point to, Tabor, would never have ended up here if Mullin stayed on, so I don't think that's a good example. The kids we got during Mullin's four years are a better example of his ability to draw talent.
I have no idea if Hsu is a big upgrade on Matt. But even with that move, we still would have Mitch and St. Jean on the sidelines, would still be operating off the "one recruiter" model, would still lack experience on the bench and with running a program (no way Mully lets Mitch go), so I think we'd be in the same boat.
I have no idea if this works out. I liked getting Posh. I liked Heron and Figgy thinking enough of Anderson to stay; you can say they had no options, but kids with their talent always have some option basketball-wise. Let's see if we can get more talent for 2020 and let's see how the new regime does.
I heard otherwise regarding Tabor and Paultzman and his disciples who tell you different don't know what they are talking about. Paultzman said dozens of times that Heron would never see a second year. I heard directly from the horse's mouth that he had no intention of leaving early and corrected Paultzman many times. He insisted I was wrong. Look who is here for a second year.
It's all on Redmen for those to search.
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I'd take a coach who can coach up the talent on his roster over a good recruiter who can't coach any day. Thankfully I think Anderson will be able to blend the two. Coach kids up and then get the better recruits.
You need both at this level for sustained success.
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I shared my honest opinion and it looks like there was merit to that as experts clearly agree as the new 247 rankings came out just now and Posh dropped out of Top 100 while RJ Davis moved up 16 spots to 67.
RJ Davis committed to UNC. They swooped in and got him in about 2 weeks after he was a heavy lean to Pitt. Marquette made a strong run late for him too.
Pitt was only school of that group to recruit Posh.
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RJ Davis committed to UNC. They swooped in and got him in about 2 weeks after he was a heavy lean to Pitt. Marquette made a strong run late for him too.
Pitt was only school of that group to recruit Posh.
Do you think they regret not putting the press on Posh?
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Do you think they regret not putting the press on Posh?
Probably at this point. Well is pretty dry
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Probably at this point. Well is pretty dry
Didn’t you fault staff for doing exactly that?
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Didn’t you fault staff for doing exactly that?
Yes, Dave said something along the lines of Posh is ok but we should have really gone after RJ Davis instead. Had we done that, we would have wasted a lot of time and energy recruiting RJ Davis and could have potentially missed out on Posh too in the process and we'd be stuck with our dick in our hands at this point.
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Yes, Dave said something along the lines of Posh is ok but we should have really gone after RJ Davis instead. Had we done that, we would have wasted a lot of time and energy recruiting RJ Davis and could have potentially missed out on Posh too in the process and we'd be stuck with our dick in our hands at this point.
Well said.
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Yes, Dave said something along the lines of Posh is ok but we should have really gone after RJ Davis instead. Had we done that, we would have wasted a lot of time and energy recruiting RJ Davis and could have potentially missed out on Posh too in the process and we'd be stuck with our dick in our hands at this point.
Not really.
We recruited Posh about same length as UNC recruited RJ. My point is that you can make strong impressions recruiting quick.
I think securing Posh's commitment was vital but in a perfect world I would have rather put full court press on RJ Davis.
Van Macon has pipeline in LI Lightning it's where we've gotten most of our guys so I don't mind sticking to what you know and building base that way.
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Not really.
We recruited Posh about same length as UNC recruited RJ. My point is that you can make strong impressions recruiting quick.
I think securing Posh's commitment was vital but in a perfect world I would have rather put full court press on RJ Davis.
Van Macon has pipeline in LI Lightning it's where we've gotten most of our guys so I don't mind sticking to what you know and building base that way.
Before Posh officially committed here you said
"Not bad but not great. Better than guys on the roster right now. I'd prefer a guy who can shoot better than Posh.
If going local was the goal I would have put full court press on RJ Davis but his commit to Pitt might be imminent."
Here's a very possible scenario of what could have happened had we put the full court press on RJ instead of Posh:
- RJ commits to UNC anyway once they get involved.
- We lose out on Posh
- We are scrambling for a PG in the spring again, eventually ending up with either a 2 star recruit or transfer from a low-major
- You criticize staff for not getting a better PG
- Posh turns into a solid 4 year college player, probably ending up at a BE school and killing us twice a year.
- You criticize the staff for letting Posh slip away.
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Before Posh officially committed here you said
"Not bad but not great. Better than guys on the roster right now. I'd prefer a guy who can shoot better than Posh.
If going local was the goal I would have put full court press on RJ Davis but his commit to Pitt might be imminent."
Here's a very possible scenario of what could have happened had we put the full court press on RJ instead of Posh:
- RJ commits to UNC anyway once they get involved.
- We lose out on Posh
- We are scrambling for a PG in the spring again, eventually ending up with either a 2 star recruit or transfer from a low-major
- You criticize staff for not getting a better PG
- Posh turns into a solid 4 year college player, probably ending up at a BE school and killing us twice a year.
- You criticize the staff for letting Posh slip away.
Everything you said is plausible.
I think we grabbed low hanging fruit and didn't shake the tree. Having some fruit in this case is better than no fruit.
I still would have reached out to Davis and offered. I would have also liked to see Karim Mane who I think is have big upside. Also would have hit Jamal Mashburn Jr who recently just committed to Minnesota.
Posh is a good piece but we should hope he isn't the crown jewel of 2020.
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Posh killing it on the circuit,,,,kid is playing like a 4/5 star as he was rated prior to his injury....
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Posh killing it on the circuit,,,,kid is playing like a 4/5 star as he was rated prior to his injury....
His teammate is putting up numbers also
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His teammate is putting up numbers also
Without he doubt....he is built like a truck as well....Coach definitely bringing in his type players....
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Pablo alexander @palex185_pablo
Posh alexander drops 60 points tonight
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He seems like a great get. I think we got a little lucky in him getting injured and sliding down in the rankings. I will be interested to see if he shoots back up based on his high level of play this season. He’s already got a big East body and seems like he can score from different levels.
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He is just a verbal...is there any concern he ends up somewhere else?
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Posh will be at the game Monday
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Posh signed his letter of intent as per the NY Post on nov 19th along with Wusu.
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He seems like a great get. I think we got a little lucky in him getting injured and sliding down in the rankings. I will be interested to see if he shoots back up based on his high level of play this season. He’s already got a big East body and seems like he can score from different levels.
I agree....I think that we did a good job getting him locked in early....if he was still available now you would def see a number of big time schools sweeping in....the injury last year hurt his stock and fortunately we made the right move in showing him he was a number 1 priority....
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Just did my deep dive on OSL for the first time. Posh looks like a tournament caliber PG to me.
His defense was a little disappointing. He’ll go chest to chest but is too easily beaten off the dribble. Wusu seems to bail him out a lot. Posh reminds me of a more athletic Levance Fields with a slightly sloppier handle. Levance is my prototypical PG.
McGriff has a better handle without a doubt, but Posh is more dynamic and probably has better vision.
I like the soph SF Sadiku better than Joaquin Sanders. If that kid develops his skills Jesus Christ....
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Just did my deep dive on OSL for the first time. Posh looks like a tournament caliber PG to me.
His defense was a little disappointing. He’ll go chest to chest but is too easily beaten off the dribble. Wusu seems to bail him out a lot. Posh reminds me of a more athletic Levance Fields with a slightly sloppier handle. Levance is my prototypical PG.
McGriff has a better handle without a doubt, but Posh is more dynamic and probably has better vision.
I like the soph SF Sadiku better than Joaquin Sanders. If that kid develops his skills Jesus Christ....
Freshmen sanders impressed the hell out of me. Sophomore year not nearly as much. Will be interesting to see how he plays without posh and Wusu
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Freshmen sanders impressed the hell out of me. Sophomore year not nearly as much. Will be interesting to see how he plays without posh and Wusu
He can shoot for sure, but his defense is awful. He’s always standing tall. I need to see more. A good coach could turn that Sadiku kid into the best wing defender in the Big East. He’s got naturally great feet. Good length too. Seems like a natural fit for Anderson’s style.
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Everything you said is plausible.
I think we grabbed low hanging fruit and didn't shake the tree. Having some fruit in this case is better than no fruit.
I still would have reached out to Davis and offered. I would have also liked to see Karim Mane who I think is have big upside. Also would have hit Jamal Mashburn Jr who recently just committed to Minnesota.
Posh is a good piece but we should hope he isn't the crown jewel of 2020.
The guy that we should hope isn’t the crown Jewel of the class is on his was to being the Freshman of the year in the big east. Good thing we picked the low hanging fruit.
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The guy that we should hope isn’t the crown Jewel of the class is on his was to being the Freshman of the year in the big east. Good thing we picked the low hanging fruit.
+1000
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Posh Alexander was ranked as the 254th incoming freshman.
Where should he have been ranked?
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Just looking at recruits who were ranked ahead of him in Big east on 247 were comical. I am no recruiting expert at all but it looks like a lot of swings and misses from the experts about Julian, Posh, Wusu.
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Posh
Posh Alexander was ranked as the 254th incoming freshman.
Where should he have been ranked?
top 100
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Posh top 100
I’d rank Posh at around 30.
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I’d rank Posh at around 30.
👍🏻👍🏻 He has to be leading for Roomie of Year and he is making a statement for defense player of the year
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He can shoot for sure, but his defense is awful. He’s always standing tall. I need to see more. A good coach could turn that Sadiku kid into the best wing defender in the Big East. He’s got naturally great feet. Good length too. Seems like a natural fit for Anderson’s style.
Haven’t been following recruiting for a while…happy we got Sanders. Does anyone know about the other kid mentioned here? Is he on our radar?