6th Man of St. John's Basketball
St. John's Red Storm => In The Jungle... => Topic started by: Marco Baldi on March 30, 2015, 08:11:47 AM
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A buddy of mine just noticed that Jared Grasso is now following Marcus Lovett, Yawke and Eric Pascall on Twitter as of yesterday. Getting ready for a possible interview?
I think Grasso will be at Iona next year. But...
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A buddy of mine just noticed that Jared Grasso is now following Marcus Lovett, Yawke and Eric Pascall on Twitter as of yesterday. Getting ready for a possible interview?
I think Grasso will be at Iona next year. But...
Not a fan of Grasso. Would rather have a lot of other options than him.
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A buddy of mine just noticed that Jared Grasso is now following Marcus Lovett, Yawke and Eric Pascall on Twitter as of yesterday. Getting ready for a possible interview?
I think Grasso will be at Iona next year. But...
Not a fan of Grasso. Would rather have a lot of other options than him.
I this point I think Matt A is a given. Should Slice be on board, that's 2 recruiters. Going to need some in game coaching on that bench
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Dont want to change topic on thread but Baldi, I sometimes cant stand your posts during the season about the team and Iona, LOL..But shout out to you also and thanks for the info and scoop you have been providing last couple of weeks. Keep them coming!!! Exciting times to be a Johniee! ...
Very excited to hear about Staff and interesting Grasso following Those guys. I think we should move on from Lovett..Yawke and Pascall sign me up for them!
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possible 3 alumni on staff? Mullin, Matt, and ?
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possible 3 alumni on staff? Mullin, Matt, and ?
Terence. But I think there might be another
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Xs and Os guy? Is Terence a good strategist?
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Names I've heard. Matt A. Slice, PJ. Carlessimo, Ed Pinkney.
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possible 3 alumni on staff? Mullin, Matt, and ?
Terence. But I think there might be another
Artest? :tickedoff:
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Lol. Colin Cowherd killing Mullin for taking job. " it's an awful job".
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Perhaps Mullin doesnt need an X and O guy because he IS the X and O guy...really smart dude.
Big man coach would be important, IMO.
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possible 3 alumni on staff? Mullin, Matt, and ?
Terence. But I think there might be another
Artest? :tickedoff:
So, he can punch out Jabril Trawick.... Oh, I forgot his gone. :)
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Lol. Colin Cowherd killing Mullin for taking job. " it's an awful job".
Colin Cowherd is my least favorite sports media personality. By far.
Complete d-bag.
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Perhaps Mullin doesnt need an X and O guy because he IS the X and O guy...really smart dude.
Big man coach would be important, IMO.
If a coach isn't an X and O guy, what the hell is he then? A bullshit artist?
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A buddy of mine just noticed that Jared Grasso is now following Marcus Lovett, Yawke and Eric Pascall on Twitter as of yesterday. Getting ready for a possible interview?
I think Grasso will be at Iona next year. But...
Could Pascall even transfer to SJU? I would think we would be one of the no transfer schools since we play them often. Not sure if any schools were block. Just throwing it out there.
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Lol. Colin Cowherd killing Mullin for taking job. " it's an awful job".
It's not out of line for anyone to call out the university for the way handled the firings of Fran Fraschilla and Mike Jarvis as awful. That, in fairness made this a place where coaches didn't want to work. Who wants to work for an employer where your boss wants you to fail?
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I don't think Mullin needs any help with X's and O's per se. He can call plays and draw them up just fine I think.
I think when you talk about an assistant with experience, he needs somebody who is used to scheduling practice plans and assigning staff to scout the next opponents, things like that.
Managerial more than X's and O's.
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I don't think Mullin needs any help with X's and O's per se. He can call plays and draw them up just fine I think.
I think when you talk about an assistant with experience, he needs somebody who is used to scheduling practice plans and assigning staff to scout the next opponents, things like that.
Managerial more than X's and O's.
That makes perfect sense.
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Perhaps Mullin doesnt need an X and O guy because he IS the X and O guy...really smart dude.
Big man coach would be important, IMO.
If a coach isn't an X and O guy, what the hell is he then? A bullshit artist?
Are we talking about a generic coach, or Mullin, or Lavin?
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Names I've heard. Matt A. Slice, PJ. Carlessimo, Ed Pinkney.
How about Chris, Eddie P, Matt A, Slice and Terrence as DOBO.
4 kids from Brooklyn and 1 from the Bronx. Nothing more New York than that!!!! LOL!!!
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Names I've heard. Matt A. Slice, PJ. Carlessimo, Ed Pinkney.
How about Chris, Eddie P, Matt A, Slice and Terrence as DOBO.
4 kids from Brooklyn and 1 from the Bronx. Nothing more New York than that!!!! LOL!!!
Pretty close except for Slice
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Names I've heard. Matt A. Slice, PJ. Carlessimo, Ed Pinkney.
How about Chris, Eddie P, Matt A, Slice and Terrence as DOBO.
4 kids from Brooklyn and 1 from the Bronx. Nothing more New York than that!!!! LOL!!!
Pretty close except for Slice
As in Slice isnt coming?
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Names I've heard. Matt A. Slice, PJ. Carlessimo, Ed Pinkney.
How about Chris, Eddie P, Matt A, Slice and Terrence as DOBO.
4 kids from Brooklyn and 1 from the Bronx. Nothing more New York than that!!!! LOL!!!
Pretty close except for Slice
As in Slice isnt coming?
Don't believe so
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Names I've heard. Matt A. Slice, PJ. Carlessimo, Ed Pinkney.
How about Chris, Eddie P, Matt A, Slice and Terrence as DOBO.
4 kids from Brooklyn and 1 from the Bronx. Nothing more New York than that!!!! LOL!!!
Pretty close except for Slice
I agree. I think another former player is in the mix.
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Names I've heard. Matt A. Slice, PJ. Carlessimo, Ed Pinkney.
How about Chris, Eddie P, Matt A, Slice and Terrence as DOBO.
4 kids from Brooklyn and 1 from the Bronx. Nothing more New York than that!!!! LOL!!!
Pretty close except for Slice
I agree. I think another former player is in the mix.
Shurina?
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Names I've heard. Matt A. Slice, PJ. Carlessimo, Ed Pinkney.
How about Chris, Eddie P, Matt A, Slice and Terrence as DOBO.
4 kids from Brooklyn and 1 from the Bronx. Nothing more New York than that!!!! LOL!!!
Pretty close except for Slice
I agree. I think another former player is in the mix.
Bingo !
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Names I've heard. Matt A. Slice, PJ. Carlessimo, Ed Pinkney.
How about Chris, Eddie P, Matt A, Slice and Terrence as DOBO.
4 kids from Brooklyn and 1 from the Bronx. Nothing more New York than that!!!! LOL!!!
Pretty close except for Slice
I agree. I think another former player is in the mix.
Shurina?
I have not heard Shurina name come up
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Names I've heard. Matt A. Slice, PJ. Carlessimo, Ed Pinkney.
How about Chris, Eddie P, Matt A, Slice and Terrence as DOBO.
4 kids from Brooklyn and 1 from the Bronx. Nothing more New York than that!!!! LOL!!!
Pretty close except for Slice
I agree. I think another former player is in the mix.
Bingo !
Willie Glass as Director of Pornography?
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Names I've heard. Matt A. Slice, PJ. Carlessimo, Ed Pinkney.
How about Chris, Eddie P, Matt A, Slice and Terrence as DOBO.
4 kids from Brooklyn and 1 from the Bronx. Nothing more New York than that!!!! LOL!!!
Pretty close except for Slice
I agree. I think another former player is in the mix.
Shurina?
I have not heard Shurina name come up
Then I'd guess Werdann. Not sure what other former players are even coaching.
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Names I've heard. Matt A. Slice, PJ. Carlessimo, Ed Pinkney.
How about Chris, Eddie P, Matt A, Slice and Terrence as DOBO.
4 kids from Brooklyn and 1 from the Bronx. Nothing more New York than that!!!! LOL!!!
Pretty close except for Slice
I agree. I think another former player is in the mix.
Shurina?
I have not heard Shurina name come up
Then I'd guess Werdann. Not sure what other former players are even coaching.
Ron Rowan's name has been bouncing about in last day, but I will believe that when I see it. Last year he uprooted family from Eastern Pa for move to Florida. I have trouble believing he would make another move for AC job, but we'll see. The nugget I guess is fans are anxious for his son Maverick to come play here. It appears L'Ville is in good shape with him, but in giddy times we all can dream. :)
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Names I've heard. Matt A. Slice, PJ. Carlessimo, Ed Pinkney.
How about Chris, Eddie P, Matt A, Slice and Terrence as DOBO.
4 kids from Brooklyn and 1 from the Bronx. Nothing more New York than that!!!! LOL!!!
NYC Coaching Dream Team
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Names I've heard. Matt A. Slice, PJ. Carlessimo, Ed Pinkney.
How about Chris, Eddie P, Matt A, Slice and Terrence as DOBO.
4 kids from Brooklyn and 1 from the Bronx. Nothing more New York than that!!!! LOL!!!
Pretty close except for Slice
I agree. I think another former player is in the mix.
Shurina?
I have not heard Shurina name come up
Then I'd guess Werdann. Not sure what other former players are even coaching.
Ron Rowan's name has been bouncing about in last day, but I will believe that when I see it. Last year he uprooted family from Eastern Pa for move to Florida. I have trouble believing he would make another move for AC job, but we'll see. The nugget I guess is fans are anxious for his son Maverick to come play here. It appears L'Ville is in good shape with him, but in giddy times we all can dream. :)
There it is. Same name I heard Paultz
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I took for granted our last two coaches were X and 0 neophytes, Lavin and Norm.
Just want this put into writing and finalized.
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Names I've heard. Matt A. Slice, PJ. Carlessimo, Ed Pinkney.
How about Chris, Eddie P, Matt A, Slice and Terrence as DOBO.
4 kids from Brooklyn and 1 from the Bronx. Nothing more New York than that!!!! LOL!!!
Pretty close except for Slice
I agree. I think another former player is in the mix.
Shurina?
I have not heard Shurina name come up
Then I'd guess Werdann. Not sure what other former players are even coaching.
Ron Rowan's name has been bouncing about in last day, but I will believe that when I see it. Last year he uprooted family from Eastern Pa for move to Florida. I have trouble believing he would make another move for AC job, but we'll see. The nugget I guess is fans are anxious for his son Maverick to come play here. It appears L'Ville is in good shape with him, but in giddy times we all can dream. :)
Hearing Slice is definitely still in the mix. Loves Chris, loves SJU and loves NYC.
Keep in mind for if Ron were to bring his son he could not do it from an administrative position. Would need to be a full time assistant.
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Louie can occupy Keady's rocking chair
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Names I've heard. Matt A. Slice, PJ. Carlessimo, Ed Pinkney.
How about Chris, Eddie P, Matt A, Slice and Terrence as DOBO.
4 kids from Brooklyn and 1 from the Bronx. Nothing more New York than that!!!! LOL!!!
Pretty close except for Slice
As in Slice isnt coming?
Don't believe so
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Do you think Slice would be talking to SJU, when his team in the Final Four? I hope not, but I don't live in that world, would seem unprofessional, after yes.
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Reggie Miller just said on the Dan Patrick show that Mullin would be a wonderful hire for St. John's. He said he knew Mullin would be a great coach one day from the all the times they would sit in the back of the bus together after games and Mullin was already breaking down what just happened before they even got to watch the film back.
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Unfortunately I think it's Slice or Matt
To be honest I would rather have Matt
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Names I've heard. Matt A. Slice, PJ. Carlessimo, Ed Pinkney.
How about Chris, Eddie P, Matt A, Slice and Terrence as DOBO.
4 kids from Brooklyn and 1 from the Bronx. Nothing more New York than that!!!! LOL!!!
Pretty close except for Slice
I agree. I think another former player is in the mix.
What is the over under on when Bluto turns on Mullin?
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Names I've heard. Matt A. Slice, PJ. Carlessimo, Ed Pinkney.
How about Chris, Eddie P, Matt A, Slice and Terrence as DOBO.
4 kids from Brooklyn and 1 from the Bronx. Nothing more New York than that!!!! LOL!!!
Pretty close except for Slice
I agree. I think another former player is in the mix.
What is the over under on when Bluto turns on Mullin?
Isn't happening
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Names I've heard. Matt A. Slice, PJ. Carlessimo, Ed Pinkney.
How about Chris, Eddie P, Matt A, Slice and Terrence as DOBO.
4 kids from Brooklyn and 1 from the Bronx. Nothing more New York than that!!!! LOL!!!
Pretty close except for Slice
I agree. I think another former player is in the mix.
What is the over under on when Bluto turns on Mullin?
Isn't happening
It will be interesting though how we deal with criticism of Mullin as coach against our love for him as legend. I personally don't know how I will handle it
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Names I've heard. Matt A. Slice, PJ. Carlessimo, Ed Pinkney.
How about Chris, Eddie P, Matt A, Slice and Terrence as DOBO.
4 kids from Brooklyn and 1 from the Bronx. Nothing more New York than that!!!! LOL!!!
Pretty close except for Slice
I agree. I think another former player is in the mix.
Shurina?
I have not heard Shurina name come up
Then I'd guess Werdann. Not sure what other former players are even coaching.
Ron Rowan's name has been bouncing about in last day, but I will believe that when I see it. Last year he uprooted family from Eastern Pa for move to Florida. I have trouble believing he would make another move for AC job, but we'll see. The nugget I guess is fans are anxious for his son Maverick to come play here. It appears L'Ville is in good shape with him, but in giddy times we all can dream. :)
Hearing Slice is definitely still in the mix. Loves Chris, loves SJU and loves NYC.
Keep in mind for if Ron were to bring his son he could not do it from an administrative position. Would need to be a full time assistant.
Shouldnt there be an exception where it's a dad working at his alma mater for his former teammate? Ha ha
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Names I've heard. Matt A. Slice, PJ. Carlessimo, Ed Pinkney.
How about Chris, Eddie P, Matt A, Slice and Terrence as DOBO.
4 kids from Brooklyn and 1 from the Bronx. Nothing more New York than that!!!! LOL!!!
Pretty close except for Slice
I agree. I think another former player is in the mix.
What is the over under on when Bluto turns on Mullin?
Isn't happening
It will be interesting though how we deal with criticism of Mullin as coach against our love for him as legend. I personally don't know how I will handle it
I hope chuckleheads give him a pass on next year. Wouldn'tbe shocked o see cricism from some as soon as 1st year though. Gets a lifetime pass for me as I was fortunate enough to see him play.
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Curious why Ed P would consider a STJ assistant job. He already had a big east assistant job at his alma matter where the team was hugely successful and this helped him secure an NBA assistant job.
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Curious why Ed P would consider a STJ assistant job. He already had a big east assistant job at his alma matter where the team was hugely successful and this helped him secure an NBA assistant job.
Come home to NYC and Chris Mullin is one of his best friends
I wonder though how much an NBA assistant makes?
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Curious why Ed P would consider a STJ assistant job. He already had a big east assistant job at his alma matter where the team was hugely successful and this helped him secure an NBA assistant job.
30 for 30 on 1985 and the BE, they mentioned Mullin and Pickney were real close.
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Curious why Ed P would consider a STJ assistant job. He already had a big east assistant job at his alma matter where the team was hugely successful and this helped him secure an NBA assistant job.
30 for 30 on 1985 and the BE, they mentioned Mullin and Pickney were real close.
And Thibs is about to be OUT in Chicago, so perhaps Pinckney also wants to make a change rather than just follow Thibs wherever.
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Curious why Ed P would consider a STJ assistant job. He already had a big east assistant job at his alma matter where the team was hugely successful and this helped him secure an NBA assistant job.
30 for 30 on 1985 and the BE, they mentioned Mullin and Pickney were real close.
I hated EP as an opponent but he came across as a real nice guy with a great personality in the 30/30
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Still waiting on something from St John's on the Mullin hiring...silence sucks
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Curious why Ed P would consider a STJ assistant job. He already had a big east assistant job at his alma matter where the team was hugely successful and this helped him secure an NBA assistant job.
30 for 30 on 1985 and the BE, they mentioned Mullin and Pickney were real close.
And Thibs is about to be OUT in Chicago, so perhaps Pinckney also wants to make a change rather than just follow Thibs wherever.
Does Hoiberg get that job?
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Curious why Ed P would consider a STJ assistant job. He already had a big east assistant job at his alma matter where the team was hugely successful and this helped him secure an NBA assistant job.
30 for 30 on 1985 and the BE, they mentioned Mullin and Pickney were real close.
And Thibs is about to be OUT in Chicago, so perhaps Pinckney also wants to make a change rather than just follow Thibs wherever.
Does Hoiberg get that job?
I think so...and if his pipeline to NY is ending, it could be perfect timing for him to make NBA jump...
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What is the over under on when Bluto turns on Mullin?
Thanksgiving day 2015.
Also in the lifetime pass for Mullin camp. Even if he loses every single game...he shouldn't hear a word.
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I would guess that Dan or mullinjaxberry guy are the first to flip on Mullin.
I say by Holiday Festival.
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Sure, the X's and O's and in-game coaching and adjustments will always be huge questions especially since Mullin's never been a HC at any level.
That said, I'm sure he'll surround himself with a good bench coach and with his bball IQ, I think he'll pick up the nuances of head coaching failry quickly.
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If this isn't finalized by today, I'm going to start to wonder
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If this isn't finalized by today, I'm going to start to wonder
He was flying across the country today. If he had a 6am flight out of SF, he's still be in the air... Relax.
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C'mon. Baldi doesn't relax. He stirs the pot!
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There may have been a time when it seemed like Baldi was just a pot stirrer, but he has been right on everything the last few weeks, so I think we should give him some deference. He has me scared now. If there is someone out there who can definitively tell us Baldi is freaking out necessarily, I'd love to hear from them...
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There may have been a time when it seemed like Baldi was just a pot stirrer, but he has been right on everything the last few weeks, so I think we should give him some deference. He has me scared now. If there is someone out there who can definitively tell us Baldi is freaking out necessarily, I'd love to hear from them...
SJU79 said last night this is a done deal. And he is far more in the know than Baldi. But, I admit it is strange no official announcement has been made.
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There may have been a time when it seemed like Baldi was just a pot stirrer, but he has been right on everything the last few weeks, so I think we should give him some deference. He has me scared now. If there is someone out there who can definitively tell us Baldi is freaking out necessarily, I'd love to hear from them...
Seems unlikely they'd leave the rumors out there is there was a snag.
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There may have been a time when it seemed like Baldi was just a pot stirrer, but he has been right on everything the last few weeks, so I think we should give him some deference. He has me scared now. If there is someone out there who can definitively tell us Baldi is freaking out necessarily, I'd love to hear from them...
SJU79 said last night this is a done deal. And he is far more in the know than Baldi. But, I admit it is strange no official announcement has been made.
Supposed Rothstein said announcement on Wednesday. IF it's done, why wait?
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There may have been a time when it seemed like Baldi was just a pot stirrer, but he has been right on everything the last few weeks, so I think we should give him some deference. He has me scared now. If there is someone out there who can definitively tell us Baldi is freaking out necessarily, I'd love to hear from them...
Seems unlikely they'd leave the rumors out there is there was a snag.
What if there was interest on both sides but St. John's isn't ponying up the $$$ that Mullin assumed would be there? That's what I'm worried about. And that's based on 0 inside info, just deductive reasoning.
That said, I could also see them simply waiting until Tues/Weds for official announcement so its the sole major focus in the sports world. Today is still elite 8 recap.
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There may have been a time when it seemed like Baldi was just a pot stirrer, but he has been right on everything the last few weeks, so I think we should give him some deference. He has me scared now. If there is someone out there who can definitively tell us Baldi is freaking out necessarily, I'd love to hear from them...
SJU79 said last night this is a done deal. And he is far more in the know than Baldi. But, I admit it is strange no official announcement has been made.
Supposed Rothstein said announcement on Wednesday. IF it's done, why wait?
The same reason we waited until a Friday during NCAA tourney re: Lavin. Better timing. We wanted less focus on Lavin story, now we want a lot of focus on this story. That's what I've been assuming til you scared me...
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School is closed Thurs- Monday for Easter.. thats why JR thought Wed...
He was flying from the west coast this morning... He probably hasn't landed yet.. think about it? Get to the school later this afternoon, lawyer nonsense, Sign the deal. Make a statement about a presser Wed.. Not time to panic.
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There may have been a time when it seemed like Baldi was just a pot stirrer, but he has been right on everything the last few weeks, so I think we should give him some deference. He has me scared now. If there is someone out there who can definitively tell us Baldi is freaking out necessarily, I'd love to hear from them...
Seems unlikely they'd leave the rumors out there is there was a snag.
What if there was interest on both sides but St. John's isn't ponying up the $$$ that Mullin assumed would be there? That's what I'm worried about. And that's based on 0 inside info, just deductive reasoning.
That said, I could also see them simply waiting until Tues/Weds for official announcement so its the sole major focus in the sports world. Today is still elite 8 recap.
It'd be a lot of egg to wipe off their face. And then have to come back with Pete Gillen or something. I figured they were trying to get as close as possible to the resurrection.
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There may have been a time when it seemed like Baldi was just a pot stirrer, but he has been right on everything the last few weeks, so I think we should give him some deference. He has me scared now. If there is someone out there who can definitively tell us Baldi is freaking out necessarily, I'd love to hear from them...
Seems unlikely they'd leave the rumors out there is there was a snag.
What if there was interest on both sides but St. John's isn't ponying up the $$$ that Mullin assumed would be there? That's what I'm worried about. And that's based on 0 inside info, just deductive reasoning.
That said, I could also see them simply waiting until Tues/Weds for official announcement so its the sole major focus in the sports world. Today is still elite 8 recap.
It'd be a lot of egg to wipe off their face. And then have to come back with Pete Gillen or something. I figured they were trying to get as close as possible to the resurrection.
If this was any other school in the country I'd agree with you, but this is St. John's. C'mon man, you are already soft - stay critical old FUN at least until the presser! Doesn't feel right. What do you think of Duke's chance in the Final Four? give me something that's normal man!!!
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There is also the chance that they want to at least get one assistant in the fold before the announcement to have everyone take a big breathe that this inexperienced coach has help.
The story was leaked to Rothstein for a reason, it ain't falling through
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News hitting Des Moines regarding Matt
http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/sports/college/iowa-state/cyclone-insider/2015/03/30/abdelmassih-and-iowa-state-and-st-johns/70665082/
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Randy Peterson, rpeterson@dmreg.com 12:42 p.m. CDT March 30, 2015
Could Matt Abdelmassih be heading home?
Abdelmassih is an original on Fred Hoiberg's Iowa State basketball staff. New York newspapers have linked the Brooklyn native with Chris Mullin, who is expected to be St. John's next basketball coach. Abdelmassih, 30, is a 2007 St. John's graduate.
Abdelmassih is Hoiberg's lead recruiter, largely responsible for bringing such players as Royce White, Jameel McKay, Abdel Nader, Dustin Hogue and DeAndre Kane to Iowa State.
NY DAILY NEWS
First job for Chris Mullin would be to pick assistants
He also was instrumental in the Cyclones getting Oregon State transfer Hallice Cooke, Georgios Tsalmpouris of Greece, Deonte Burton and Bryce Dejean-Jones.
One of his current recruiting targets is Cheick Diallo, a five-star player who currently plays at a New York prep school.
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If this isn't finalized by today, I'm going to start to wonder
i'm glad you're excited about it. Worrying manifested from anticipation - good stuff.
I spoke to my dad 4 times this week, but held off talking about the Mullin talk. My dad loves watching the guys play, but views the inner workings from a distance.
I talked to him last night and he was really excited. That's a good sign that an even keeled, life long SJ's fan was getting pumped up.
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If this isn't finalized by today, I'm going to start to wonder
Not to worry
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Couple of thing to piggy back off of Ted.
1)Starting on Thursday 4/2 thru next Thursday 4/9 is the traditional Dead Period in recruiting around the Final 4. No visits either in-homes or campus for that period. Everyone will be in Indy anyway.
2)Then starts a busy couple of weeks in terms of recruiting in April. April 10 thru 12 is an Evaluation Period allowing Coaches on the road at AAU events. Get a start on 2016 and 17. Then two weeks later same thing, 4/24 thru 4/26. These dates were added a few years ago as a compromise to allow coaches to atend AAU events in April (traditionally they were not allowed at AAU events until July) and in turn reduced the number of days in July that they are allowed on the road. These dates are sandwiched by a Recruiting Period of 4/17 thru 4/22 where visits on campus and off campus and recruiting off campus (except for AAU events) are allowed.
That is a big 3 weeks where Mullin and staff can lock up some 2015 late kids and get a head start on 2016 and 17 kids. Got to get his ducks in a row (meaning staff) but he has a few days since we are about to enter a dead period.
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Couple of thing to piggy back off of Ted.
1)Starting on Thursday 4/2 thru next Thursday 4/9 is the traditional Dead Period in recruiting around the Final 4. No visits either in-homes or campus for that period. Everyone will be in Indy anyway.
2)Then starts a busy couple of weeks in terms of recruiting in April. April 10 thru 12 is an Evaluation Period allowing Coaches on the road at AAU events. Get a start on 2016 and 17. Then two weeks later same thing, 4/24 thru 4/26. These dates were added a few years ago as a compromise to allow coaches to atend AAU events in April (traditionally they were not allowed at AAU events until July) and in turn reduced the number of days in July that they are allowed on the road. These dates are sandwiched by a Recruiting Period of 4/17 thru 4/22 where visits on campus and off campus and recruiting off campus (except for AAU events) are allowed.
That is a big 3 weeks where Mullin and staff can lock up some 2015 late kids and get a head start on 2016 and 17 kids. Got to get his ducks in a row (meaning staff) but he has a few days since we are about to enter a dead period.
Thx, good info Fordham
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When is the April signing period?
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When is the April signing period?
4/15 thru 5/20.
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Thanks.....w quiet period...no time.
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Does Mullin get more $ than Lavin per year?
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The thing that makes me so excited is that you just know Mullin and a guy like Matt A (if he joins staff) would work tirelessly for this program. No "feels no pressure to succeed" type attitude and taking entire years off from recruiting.
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There may have been a time when it seemed like Baldi was just a pot stirrer, but he has been right on everything the last few weeks, so I think we should give him some deference. He has me scared now. If there is someone out there who can definitively tell us Baldi is freaking out necessarily, I'd love to hear from them...
SJU79 said last night this is a done deal. And he is far more in the know than Baldi. But, I admit it is strange no official announcement has been made.
Supposed Rothstein said announcement on Wednesday. IF it's done, why wait?
Announce it on Wednesday. If things fall through just say April Fool's Day!
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Does Mullin get more $ than Lavin per year?
I would assume so
I thought the prior staff was making around 3 million combined but I was corrected, it was close to 3.5
I would assume this staff will make at least a million more
Was Wrobel let go too?
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Wednesday is first day media arrives in Indy for Final Four.
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Wednesday is first day media arrives in Indy for Final Four.
THIS. This is what I've been assuming - they are announcing on the best day possible PR wise. Can't wait to watch the presser. Thanks Dave.
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Is Coach Mullin's presser in NY or Indy?
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Is Coach Mullin's presser in NY or Indy?
NY
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Also any doubt needs to cease. It's done deal.
Staff will shake out accordingly and be ready to roll by 1st live period which is April 10. Just like Lavin's staff had a few random names pop up (Jay Williams, Leito, etc. ) and Dunlap was final chip to fall. It's all part of the process and standard in college basketball.
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I can imagine there would be even more random and exciting names than when Lavin was hired since Mullin has developed great relationships during his playing days, front office experience with GSW/Sacramento, and even his limited broadcasting times. He has to know everybody. SJU would only hire Mullin if they gave him every opportunity to truly succeed. So pumped for Wednesday and the weeks ahead!
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Rick Barnes to Tenn.
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Brian Snow @BSnowScout 6s6 seconds ago
I like Chris Mullin hire a heck of a lot better than many of the others that have come down this off season, been a lot of "safe hires"
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Gotta love the pissing contest on twitter
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Also any doubt needs to cease. It's done deal.
And once again credit to Dave because he never wavered since last week as this being the 1st option and he was confident the entire time
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Gotta love the pissing contest on twitter
with who ?
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Gotta love the pissing contest on twitter
with who ?
Zags, Zach, Rubin
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Gotta love the pissing contest on twitter
with who ?
Zags, Zach, Rubin
really ? It's a twitter battle royal ? maybe those 3 should be in the next wrestle mania
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Matt A first, Pinkney likely. Slice still being targeted.
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Matt A first, Pinkney likely. Slice still being targeted.
Hearing rumbles of grasso
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Who's better Grasso or Rasheen Davis?
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Matt A first, Pinkney likely. Slice still being targeted.
Hearing rumbles of grasso
just so happens that Grasso recently followed, Yakwe, Lovett, Paschall and Malik Ellison on Twitter. Recently, I mean within the last 2 days
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Matt A first, Pinkney likely. Slice still being targeted.
Hearing rumbles of grasso
just so happens that Grasso recently followed, Yakwe, Lovett, Paschall and Malik Ellison on Twitter. Recently, I mean within the last 2 days
Saw that, but beyond Pinkney & Matt A, I suspect they will see if they can land Slice. If unsuccessful, I guess others, like Grasso type guys, would get a look.
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Matt A first, Pinkney likely. Slice still being targeted.
Hearing rumbles of grasso
just so happens that Grasso recently followed, Yakwe, Lovett, Paschall and Malik Ellison on Twitter. Recently, I mean within the last 2 days
Saw that, but beyond Pinkney & Matt A, I suspect they will see if they can land Slice. If unsuccessful, I guess others, like Grasso type guys, would get a look.
Is Matt A the recruiter?
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Ha Grasso letting Mullin and Co. know he is ready and willing to serve if Slice doesn't worn out.
Are you guys hearing Pinkney as DOB!
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Ha Grasso letting Mullin and Co. know he is ready and willing to serve if Slice doesn't worn out.
Are you guys hearing Pinkney as DOB!
Not him
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Ha Grasso letting Mullin and Co. know he is ready and willing to serve if Slice doesn't worn out.
Are you guys hearing Pinkney as DOB!
Wouldn't that be way below his level of experience???
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if it ends up being abdelmassih, grasso/slice, and pinckney, Pinckney is the x&o guy? What role does he play for the bulls, is he more x&o or player development type? I would be very excited to have him aboard, just hope he isn't duplicating what mullin can do at the expense of having an associate head coach type. I guess carlesimo was more of a pipe dream, but it would have been cool to nab him for that role. I do think it's smart to have two recruiters on the staff, so things are shaping up pretty well.
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if it ends up being abdelmassih, grasso/slice, and pinckney, Pinckney is the x&o guy? What role does he play for the bulls, is he more x&o or player development type? I would be very excited to have him aboard, just hope he isn't duplicating what mullin can do at the expense of having an associate head coach type. I guess carlesimo was more of a pipe dream, but it would have been cool to nab him for that role. I do think it's smart to have two recruiters on the staff, so things are shaping up pretty well.
Have you read any quotes on Mullin. It sounds like HE is more than qualified to be the x and o guy. What a refreshing change. When Mullin got to Indiana, Bird said he loves Mullin because he thinks just like him. Knows when to pass and knows when to shoot. You better believe Larry bird doesn't give that compliment to just anyone. Gotta think Pinckney is big man coach.
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Pinckney as an X's and O's guy? Seriously? Mullin can do better. They're going to need a bench coach that's heavy on in-game experience. Pinckney is supposedly a likeable guy and a HC in training. However they need an experienced tactician as a bench coach IMO.
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Matt A first, Pinkney likely. Slice still being targeted.
Hearing rumbles of grasso
just so happens that Grasso recently followed, Yakwe, Lovett, Paschall and Malik Ellison on Twitter. Recently, I mean within the last 2 days
Saw that, but beyond Pinkney & Matt A, I suspect they will see if they can land Slice. If unsuccessful, I guess others, like Grasso type guys, would get a look.
Is Matt A the recruiter?
In my world we need two. Slice & a young "comer" would be a nice combination. Certainly Slice brings experience & other skills that would be utilized. I think Chiles got worn out doing most of recruiting, so I prefer sharing the load. Just my opinion.
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Ha Grasso letting Mullin and Co. know he is ready and willing to serve if Slice doesn't worn out.
Are you guys hearing Pinkney as DOB!
No
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So the three assistants will be Matt, Pink and Slice (or younger recruiter type). Curious who the DOB will go to
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So the three assistants will be Matt, Pink and Slice (or younger recruiter type). Curious who the DOB will go to
Another former player
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if it ends up being abdelmassih, grasso/slice, and pinckney, Pinckney is the x&o guy? What role does he play for the bulls, is he more x&o or player development type? I would be very excited to have him aboard, just hope he isn't duplicating what mullin can do at the expense of having an associate head coach type. I guess carlesimo was more of a pipe dream, but it would have been cool to nab him for that role. I do think it's smart to have two recruiters on the staff, so things are shaping up pretty well.
Have you read any quotes on Mullin. It sounds like HE is more than qualified to be the x and o guy. What a refreshing change. When Mullin got to Indiana, Bird said he loves Mullin because he thinks just like him. Knows when to pass and knows when to shoot. You better believe Larry bird doesn't give that compliment to just anyone. Gotta think Pinckney is big man coach.
I don't doubt he knows the game, but he hasn't needed to draw up a play and then explain it to a bunch of 19 year olds during a timeout or run practices/drills for kids, teach them offensive and defensive systems, etc. Maybe he'll be great at those things, but I'm sure he will want some help
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if it ends up being abdelmassih, grasso/slice, and pinckney, Pinckney is the x&o guy? What role does he play for the bulls, is he more x&o or player development type? I would be very excited to have him aboard, just hope he isn't duplicating what mullin can do at the expense of having an associate head coach type. I guess carlesimo was more of a pipe dream, but it would have been cool to nab him for that role. I do think it's smart to have two recruiters on the staff, so things are shaping up pretty well.
Have you read any quotes on Mullin. It sounds like HE is more than qualified to be the x and o guy. What a refreshing change. When Mullin got to Indiana, Bird said he loves Mullin because he thinks just like him. Knows when to pass and knows when to shoot. You better believe Larry bird doesn't give that compliment to just anyone. Gotta think Pinckney is big man coach.
I don't doubt he knows the game, but he hasn't needed to draw up a play and then explain it to a bunch of 19 year olds during a timeout or run practices/drills for kids, teach them offensive and defensive systems, etc. Maybe he'll be great at those things, but I'm sure he will want some help
Mullin has been analyzing plays his whole life. He has never recruited high school kids. Mastering recruiting is most important right now w bare cupboard. He has many many amazing coaches to consult re the Xs and Os and will work tirelessly if needed to remember them communicate them and get his players to implement them. Recruiting focus is way to go IMO. I truly believe that norm and lavin knew plays thy just were not good at analyzing the what each situation called for and thinking on the fly. That's one of Mullins best traits.
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Ron Rowan?
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Ron Rowan?
He would have to be an assistant
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So the three assistants will be Matt, Pink and Slice (or younger recruiter type). Curious who the DOB will go to
Since I've seen some new members to the site, I think it might help if I post some of the tasks a Director of Basketball Operations is responsible for:
From an interview with the Director of Basketball Op, Univ. of Nebraska, Jan Bethea:
"What is your role as a DOBO?That’s a hard question. As a DOBO you wear a lot of hats. I am primarily responsible for overall administrative side of the program. Most people think of a basketball program and think only of the coaches and players; however, we have a lot of support staff that help make things go smoothly. First and foremost, I am in charge of making sure we stay within our operating budget and each year that gets harder. I am the liaison for the following departments; marketing, academic, development, housing, ticket office, facilities, sports information, business office, alumni, booster club, and many more. I also supervise our student managers and graduate assistant and serve as the office manager of our department.
My day to day responsibility is to handle all speaking engagements for my head coach, speak with our team’s academic advisor to check on grade progress, handle all scheduling needs for visiting teams, schedule our games for upcoming season, monitor our incoming freshmen to make sure they have submitted in all their paperwork for admission and NCAA eligibility requirements, assist with our teams leadership session (once a week). I constantly work on team travel which consists of speaking with the bus companies, hotels, restaurants and other companies associated with our travel. I can go on and on but I’m not sure you have enough space for everything I do. Like I said I wear a lot of hats."
http://iousports.org/blog-news/sports-uncovered%E2%80%A6-director-basketball-operations-dobo (http://iousports.org/blog-news/sports-uncovered%E2%80%A6-director-basketball-operations-dobo)
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Ron Rowan?
He would have to be an assistant
Why? Is his son committing? Outside of that why would he have to be an assistant? Sorry if I am missing the obvious.
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Ron Rowan?
He would have to be an assistant
Why? Is his son committing? Outside of that why would he have to be an assistant? Sorry if I am missing the obvious.
That seems to be what Baldi is implying - well that if Mullin wanted Rowan on staff, and Maverick was at least interested, Ron couldn't be anything but an assistant.
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Ron Rowan?
He would have to be an assistant
Why? Is his son committing? Outside of that why would he have to be an assistant? Sorry if I am missing the obvious.
Look at Maverick Rown thread
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Ron Rowan?
He would have to be an assistant
Why? Is his son committing? Outside of that why would he have to be an assistant? Sorry if I am missing the obvious.
That seems to be what Baldi is implying - well that if Mullin wanted Rowan on staff, and Maverick was at least interested, Ron couldn't be anything but an assistant.
I do understand that. It just seems so quick. I know Mullin and Rowan are friends but if gets him to commit that quick it is borderline amazing to me. Isn't he a highly rated prospect?
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Ron Rowan?
He would have to be an assistant
Why? Is his son committing? Outside of that why would he have to be an assistant? Sorry if I am missing the obvious.
Look at Maverick Rown thread
From my post of the comments on Rowan, I'd want to know why he was fired from a High School position. Not sure what position he held from the comments, but THAT better be part of the due diligence if he is being considered for hire.
I should add - Mullin probably knows about it already.
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Ron Rowan?
He would have to be an assistant
Why? Is his son committing? Outside of that why would he have to be an assistant? Sorry if I am missing the obvious.
Look at Maverick Rown thread
From my post of the comments on Rowan, I'd want to know why he was fired from a High School position. Not sure what position he held from the comments, but THAT better be part of the due diligence if he is being considered for hire.
I should add - Mullin probably knows about it already.
With high school sports ya never know, could be that Ron knew way more than the head coach and let him and everyone know that, and the coach whose close with the admin felt threatened...and then he's gone. My basketball coach in high school got fired because one or two influential parents didn't like him. High school sports can be extremely political.
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Ron Rowan?
He would have to be an assistant
Why? Is his son committing? Outside of that why would he have to be an assistant? Sorry if I am missing the obvious.
Look at Maverick Rown thread
From my post of the comments on Rowan, I'd want to know why he was fired from a High School position. Not sure what position he held from the comments, but THAT better be part of the due diligence if he is being considered for hire.
I should add - Mullin probably knows about it already.
With high school sports ya never know, could be that Ron knew way more than the head coach and let him and everyone know that, and the coach whose close with the admin felt threatened...and then he's gone. My basketball coach in high school got fired because one or two influential parents didn't like him. High school sports can be extremely political.
True. I was not judging at all. I saw HS sports politics at work with my son, and it was not pretty, and not too much fun either.
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Ron Rowan?
He would have to be an assistant
Why? Is his son committing? Outside of that why would he have to be an assistant? Sorry if I am missing the obvious.
Look at Maverick Rown thread
From my post of the comments on Rowan, I'd want to know why he was fired from a High School position. Not sure what position he held from the comments, but THAT better be part of the due diligence if he is being considered for hire.
I should add - Mullin probably knows about it already.
With high school sports ya never know, could be that Ron knew way more than the head coach and let him and everyone know that, and the coach whose close with the admin felt threatened...and then he's gone. My basketball coach in high school got fired because one or two influential parents didn't like him. High school sports can be extremely political.
True. I was not judging at all. I saw HS sports politics at work with my son, and it was not pretty, and not too much fun either.
Gotcha - didnt think you were - I agree it has to be looked into, because ya never know, but I'd bet it's nothing.
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Rowan has a ton of experience playing professionally. He like Mullin was a gym rat. I am sure he has a lot to teach. Nothing wrong with passing the third assistant job to him along with getting his son as a top 50 kid.
I think Pinkney is a big plus with well over 10 years experience in both college and the NBA.
I don't think you see Slice and Matt. It's one or the other.
Can't see that the DOBO will go to anyone except Terrance
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Rowan has a ton of experience playing professionally. He like Mullin was a gym rat. I am sure he has a lot to teach. Nothing wrong with passing the third assistant job to him along with getting his son as a top 50 kid.
I think Pinkney is a big plus with well over 10 years experience in both college and the NBA.
I don't think you see Slice and Matt. It's one or the other.
Can't see that the DOBO will go to anyone except Terrance
Curious - how was Pinckney as a recruiter at Nova?
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Rowan has a ton of experience playing professionally. He like Mullin was a gym rat. I am sure he has a lot to teach. Nothing wrong with passing the third assistant job to him along with getting his son as a top 50 kid.
I think Pinkney is a big plus with well over 10 years experience in both college and the NBA.
I don't think you see Slice and Matt. It's one or the other.
Can't see that the DOBO will go to anyone except Terrance
Curious - how was Pinckney as a recruiter at Nova?
I really don't know. He was there 5 years.
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Rowan has a ton of experience playing professionally. He like Mullin was a gym rat. I am sure he has a lot to teach. Nothing wrong with passing the third assistant job to him along with getting his son as a top 50 kid.
I think Pinkney is a big plus with well over 10 years experience in both college and the NBA.
I don't think you see Slice and Matt. It's one or the other.
Can't see that the DOBO will go to anyone except Terrance
Curious - how was Pinckney as a recruiter at Nova?
I really don't know. He was there 5 years.
If Slice is interested, I'd be a little disappointed if we dont get him. Matt A seems great but he's still a little green. Slice is a pretty sure thing. Great to have another Johnny on board, but I hope Rowan brings more to the table than just his son if it's a Rowan or Slice decision. Unless Maverick is the second coming of Chris Mullin, in which case just his son is more than enough ha ha.
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Rowan has a ton of experience playing professionally. He like Mullin was a gym rat. I am sure he has a lot to teach. Nothing wrong with passing the third assistant job to him along with getting his son as a top 50 kid.
I think Pinkney is a big plus with well over 10 years experience in both college and the NBA.
I don't think you see Slice and Matt. It's one or the other.
Can't see that the DOBO will go to anyone except Terrance
Curious - how was Pinckney as a recruiter at Nova?
I really don't know. He was there 5 years.
If Slice is interested, I'd be a little disappointed if we dont get him. Matt A seems great but he's still a little green. Slice is a pretty sure thing. Great to have another Johnny on board, but I hope Rowan brings more to the table than just his son if it's a Rowan or Slice decision. Unless Maverick is the second coming of Chris Mullin, in which case just his son is more than enough ha ha.
I hear you but Slice may be hard to get from the info I heard
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Rowan has a ton of experience playing professionally. He like Mullin was a gym rat. I am sure he has a lot to teach. Nothing wrong with passing the third assistant job to him along with getting his son as a top 50 kid.
I think Pinkney is a big plus with well over 10 years experience in both college and the NBA.
I don't think you see Slice and Matt. It's one or the other.
Can't see that the DOBO will go to anyone except Terrance
Curious - how was Pinckney as a recruiter at Nova?
I really don't know. He was there 5 years.
If Slice is interested, I'd be a little disappointed if we dont get him. Matt A seems great but he's still a little green. Slice is a pretty sure thing. Great to have another Johnny on board, but I hope Rowan brings more to the table than just his son if it's a Rowan or Slice decision. Unless Maverick is the second coming of Chris Mullin, in which case just his son is more than enough ha ha.
I hear you but Slice may be hard to get from the info I heard
Difficult, but still very much on their radar. We'll see.
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Rowan has a ton of experience playing professionally. He like Mullin was a gym rat. I am sure he has a lot to teach. Nothing wrong with passing the third assistant job to him along with getting his son as a top 50 kid.
I think Pinkney is a big plus with well over 10 years experience in both college and the NBA.
I don't think you see Slice and Matt. It's one or the other.
Can't see that the DOBO will go to anyone except Terrance
Curious - how was Pinckney as a recruiter at Nova?
I really don't know. He was there 5 years.
If Slice is interested, I'd be a little disappointed if we dont get him. Matt A seems great but he's still a little green. Slice is a pretty sure thing. Great to have another Johnny on board, but I hope Rowan brings more to the table than just his son if it's a Rowan or Slice decision. Unless Maverick is the second coming of Chris Mullin, in which case just his son is more than enough ha ha.
I hear you but Slice may be hard to get from the info I heard
Well then that makes a lot more sense...we need to hit the ground running so better to get the entire team in place than wait on something that isn't likely to happen. And I didn't mean to imply Ron can only bring his son, totally agree that his experiences would be great and of course the connection to St. John's is awesome. Like the St. John's "family" Mullin is trying to start - has a Duke/UNC feel to it which is awesome for continuity, stability, and selling the program. Old Big East friends like Pinckney fit in too.
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Matt A first, Pinkney likely. Slice still being targeted.
Hearing rumbles of grasso
just so happens that Grasso recently followed, Yakwe, Lovett, Paschall and Malik Ellison on Twitter. Recently, I mean within the last 2 days
Saw that, but beyond Pinkney & Matt A, I suspect they will see if they can land Slice. If unsuccessful, I guess others, like Grasso type guys, would get a look.
Is Matt A the recruiter?
In my world we need two. Slice & a young "comer" would be a nice combination. Certainly Slice brings experience & other skills that would be utilized. I think Chiles got worn out doing most of recruiting, so I prefer sharing the load. Just my opinion.
Im with you Paultz, would love two recruiters. But if that's the case than the third AC has got to bring some coaching/running a program experience with him IMO. Is Pinckney that guy?
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Rowan has a ton of experience playing professionally. He like Mullin was a gym rat. I am sure he has a lot to teach. Nothing wrong with passing the third assistant job to him along with getting his son as a top 50 kid.
I think Pinkney is a big plus with well over 10 years experience in both college and the NBA.
I don't think you see Slice and Matt. It's one or the other.
Can't see that the DOBO will go to anyone except Terrance
Curious - how was Pinckney as a recruiter at Nova?
I really don't know. He was there 5 years.
If Slice is interested, I'd be a little disappointed if we dont get him. Matt A seems great but he's still a little green. Slice is a pretty sure thing. Great to have another Johnny on board, but I hope Rowan brings more to the table than just his son if it's a Rowan or Slice decision. Unless Maverick is the second coming of Chris Mullin, in which case just his son is more than enough ha ha.
I hear you but Slice may be hard to get from the info I heard
Well then that makes a lot more sense...we need to hit the ground running so better to get the entire team in place than wait on something that isn't likely to happen. And I didn't mean to imply Ron can only bring his son, totally agree that his experiences would be great and of course the connection to St. John's is awesome. Like the St. John's "family" Mullin is trying to start - has a Duke/UNC feel to it which is awesome for continuity, stability, and selling the program. Old Big East friends like Pinckney fit in too.
I am pretty sure Mullin would want Ron to be more than just his son. There is very little info on him after his playing days ended.
The list of candidates is sure solid though whatever happens.
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Jon Rothstein @JonRothstein · 2m 2 minutes ago
BREAKING: Chris Mullin will hire Iowa State's Matt Abdemassih at St. John's as an assistant, source told @CBSSports. Story coming. #SJUBB
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Jon Rothstein @JonRothstein · 2m 2 minutes ago
BREAKING: Chris Mullin will hire Iowa State's Matt Abdemassih at St. John's as an assistant, source told @CBSSports. Story coming. #SJUBB
Diallo not far behind
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Jon Rothstein @JonRothstein · 2m 2 minutes ago
BREAKING: Chris Mullin will hire Iowa State's Matt Abdemassih at St. John's as an assistant, source told @CBSSports. Story coming. #SJUBB
Very true and hopefully when open period starts Matt goes to LA with Mullin to re-close the deal with Sampson
Diallo not far behind
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Jon Rothstein @JonRothstein · 2m 2 minutes ago
BREAKING: Chris Mullin will hire Iowa State's Matt Abdemassih at St. John's as an assistant, source told @CBSSports. Story coming. #SJUBB
Diallo not far behind
^^^^^^ this guy. lol
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Let's goooo!!!!!!
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Jon Rothstein @JonRothstein · 2m 2 minutes ago
BREAKING: Chris Mullin will hire Iowa State's Matt Abdemassih at St. John's as an assistant, source told @CBSSports. Story coming. #SJUBB
Diallo not far behind
^^^^^^ this guy. lol
THIS is HOW you get Baldi PUMPED. :smiley6600:
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^^Very exciting news on this hiring! Great time to be a Johnnies fan. Thanks for the info. guys, keep it coming!
In regards to Slice, some Kentucky posters are saying that he's like a pig in slop in Lexington. Whether that means he's staying put or not remains to be seen.
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Rowan has a ton of experience playing professionally. He like Mullin was a gym rat. I am sure he has a lot to teach. Nothing wrong with passing the third assistant job to him along with getting his son as a top 50 kid.
I think Pinkney is a big plus with well over 10 years experience in both college and the NBA.
I don't think you see Slice and Matt. It's one or the other.
Can't see that the DOBO will go to anyone except Terrance
Curious - how was Pinckney as a recruiter at Nova?
I really don't know. He was there 5 years.
If Slice is interested, I'd be a little disappointed if we dont get him. Matt A seems great but he's still a little green. Slice is a pretty sure thing. Great to have another Johnny on board, but I hope Rowan brings more to the table than just his son if it's a Rowan or Slice decision. Unless Maverick is the second coming of Chris Mullin, in which case just his son is more than enough ha ha.
On the Iowa State board. One poster says an insider told him Matt is gone{to SJU] Sorry , didn't read the whole thread before posting.
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^^Very exciting news on this hiring! Great time to be a Johnnies fan. Thanks for the info. guys, keep it coming!
In regards to Slice, some Kentucky posters are saying that he's like a pig in slop in Lexington. Whether that means he's staying put or not remains to be seen.
Think that means he's EXTREMELY happy there.
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^^Very exciting news on this hiring! Great time to be a Johnnies fan. Thanks for the info. guys, keep it coming!
In regards to Slice, some Kentucky posters are saying that he's like a pig in slop in Lexington. Whether that means he's staying put or not remains to be seen.
375k, maybe bump to 500k...all the casual fans now on board that are St. john's grads better pony up some dough, including alligator arms Francesa.
From ESPN's write up - best nugget:
"The feeling at the campus is they [St. John's administrators] wanted to significantly propel the university forward with this hire," a St. John's insider said Monday. "The challenge remains in that there are a lot of people in the fan base and alumni base who are opinionated about the program, but don't give $5, never mind $5,000 or $50,000.
"Where Chris has the big advantage over just about anyone is, I think he can really galvanize the entire university community. If there's a person that can pull all of those things together, it's him. When he gets there, they're not going to tell him, 'You can't have an extra 50 grand' to hire a specific assistant coach. If he says, 'We need a charter airplane, even to go to Jersey,' there needs to be support for him inside of the university and out."
How about 400k to hire Slice??? (He's currently making 375k as I said above)
http://espn.go.com/new-york/story/_/id/12589960/st-john-red-storm-got-man-hiring-chris-mullin-basketball-coach (http://espn.go.com/new-york/story/_/id/12589960/st-john-red-storm-got-man-hiring-chris-mullin-basketball-coach)
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Jon Rothstein @JonRothstein · 2m 2 minutes ago
BREAKING: Chris Mullin will hire Iowa State's Matt Abdemassih at St. John's as an assistant, source told @CBSSports. Story coming. #SJUBB
Diallo not far behind
Marco , I could never tell from your posts if the info is from one of your sources or your opinion.
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For anyone who may need a refresher on Abs:
http://www.cyclones.com/mediaPortal/player.dbml?&db_oem_id=10700&id=747100
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Slice still very much in the fold.
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Slice still very much in the fold.
I guess we will know by end of FF unless Cal will let him take St Johns job and finish year with KY?
I don't see Cal the type of guys standing in the way of his coaches
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Dave is the recruit commitment you referred to for the end of the week....a player for next year or the year after?
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Slice still very much in the fold.
I hope so. It appears money will not be the issue as they've ponied up 2 to Chris. I think Slice takes it if they win the championship.
If they win, it's a second one for Cal, another notch in UK's belt.
If Slice wants to be part of the NYC legendary stories to be told one day, in his home town, this is the place to be.
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Dave is the recruit commitment you referred to for the end of the week....a player for next year or the year after?
Next year.
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Slice still very much in the fold.
I guess we will know by end of FF unless Cal will let him take St Johns job and finish year with KY?
I don't see Cal the type of guys standing in the way of his coaches
Cal would be first one to tell him he should go. He's all about guys maximizing opportunity
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Dave, that's great...thanks for the info.
I think if we can get Diallo comfortable with Coach and the bigs coach (ED?) that should push him our way. We were close before. I think he'd be glad to stay in New York. Felix might be important here as well or might not.
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Slice still very much in the fold.
Thanks you for keeping us in the loop. Keep them coming Dave! Loving all the information.
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Matt A first, Pinkney likely. Slice still being targeted.
Hearing rumbles of grasso
just so happens that Grasso recently followed, Yakwe, Lovett, Paschall and Malik Ellison on Twitter. Recently, I mean within the last 2 days
Saw that, but beyond Pinkney & Matt A, I suspect they will see if they can land Slice. If unsuccessful, I guess others, like Grasso type guys, would get a look.
Is Matt A the recruiter?
In my world we need two. Slice & a young "comer" would be a nice combination. Certainly Slice brings experience & other skills that would be utilized. I think Chiles got worn out doing most of recruiting, so I prefer sharing the load. Just my opinion.
I was thinking along the same lines.... Bring in Slice the "slickster" (the experienced guy) and "the young, up and comer" Matty A. (who is now aboard), and we'll be fine. I think Mullin will also be tough in his own right.
I also agree with you, in reference to Chiles.
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Matt A first, Pinkney likely. Slice still being targeted.
Hearing rumbles of grasso
just so happens that Grasso recently followed, Yakwe, Lovett, Paschall and Malik Ellison on Twitter. Recently, I mean within the last 2 days
Saw that, but beyond Pinkney & Matt A, I suspect they will see if they can land Slice. If unsuccessful, I guess others, like Grasso type guys, would get a look.
Is Matt A the recruiter?
In my world we need two. Slice & a young "comer" would be a nice combination. Certainly Slice brings experience & other skills that would be utilized. I think Chiles got worn out doing most of recruiting, so I prefer sharing the load. Just my opinion.
I was thinking along the same lines.... Bring in Slice the "slickster" (the experienced guy) and "the young, up and comer" Matty A. (who is now aboard), and we'll be fine. I think Mullin will also be tough in his own right.
I also agree with you, in reference to Chiles.
Thx Dink! Good times ahead!
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@jimbaumbach · 36m 36 minutes ago
Kentucky assistant Barry Rohrssen's contract, obtained by Newsday, runs thru 6/2016. Pays $375k, but no buyout. Just needs Cal's permission.
@jimbaumbach · 33m 33 minutes ago
I shouldn't even term it as Cal's permission. Contract simply states Rohrssen agrees to not pursue job elsewhere without telling Cal first.
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@jimbaumbach · 36m 36 minutes ago
Kentucky assistant Barry Rohrssen's contract, obtained by Newsday, runs thru 6/2016. Pays $375k, but no buyout. Just needs Cal's permission.
@jimbaumbach · 33m 33 minutes ago
I shouldn't even term it as Cal's permission. Contract simply states Rohrssen agrees to not pursue job elsewhere without telling Cal first.
Just can't see Cal standing in the way
He would need a raise over that though as more expensive in NYC tan KY
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What is a dazzling urbanite like Slice doing in a rustic setting like that anyway?
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@jimbaumbach · 36m 36 minutes ago
Kentucky assistant Barry Rohrssen's contract, obtained by Newsday, runs thru 6/2016. Pays $375k, but no buyout. Just needs Cal's permission.
@jimbaumbach · 33m 33 minutes ago
I shouldn't even term it as Cal's permission. Contract simply states Rohrssen agrees to not pursue job elsewhere without telling Cal first.
Just can't see Cal standing in the way
He would need a raise over that though as more expensive in NYC tan KY
wasn't dunlap getting $500k?
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What is a dazzling urbanite like Slice doing in a rustic setting like that anyway?
Making the Final Four and going undefeated. He's probably miserable.
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@jimbaumbach · 36m 36 minutes ago
Kentucky assistant Barry Rohrssen's contract, obtained by Newsday, runs thru 6/2016. Pays $375k, but no buyout. Just needs Cal's permission.
@jimbaumbach · 33m 33 minutes ago
I shouldn't even term it as Cal's permission. Contract simply states Rohrssen agrees to not pursue job elsewhere without telling Cal first.
Just can't see Cal standing in the way
He would need a raise over that though as more expensive in NYC tan KY
wasn't dunlap getting $500k?
Dump Keady's 200k + in the pot. :)
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What is a dazzling urbanite like Slice doing in a rustic setting like that anyway?
Making the Final Four and going undefeated. He's probably miserable.
How much credit will go to the assistant coaches when they win? Will we even hear their names?
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@jimbaumbach · 36m 36 minutes ago
Kentucky assistant Barry Rohrssen's contract, obtained by Newsday, runs thru 6/2016. Pays $375k, but no buyout. Just needs Cal's permission.
@jimbaumbach · 33m 33 minutes ago
I shouldn't even term it as Cal's permission. Contract simply states Rohrssen agrees to not pursue job elsewhere without telling Cal first.
Just can't see Cal standing in the way
He would need a raise over that though as more expensive in NYC tan KY
wasn't dunlap getting $500k?
Dump Keady's 200k + in the pot. :)
really? damn, $200k is a boatload for someone to be a "mentor" to the coaching staff.
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@jimbaumbach · 36m 36 minutes ago
Kentucky assistant Barry Rohrssen's contract, obtained by Newsday, runs thru 6/2016. Pays $375k, but no buyout. Just needs Cal's permission.
@jimbaumbach · 33m 33 minutes ago
I shouldn't even term it as Cal's permission. Contract simply states Rohrssen agrees to not pursue job elsewhere without telling Cal first.
Just can't see Cal standing in the way
He would need a raise over that though as more expensive in NYC tan KY
wasn't dunlap getting $500k?
Dump Keady's 200k + in the pot. :)
really? damn, $200k is a boatload for someone to be a "mentor" to the coaching staff.
Heard Keady was making more than that LOL
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@jimbaumbach · 36m 36 minutes ago
Kentucky assistant Barry Rohrssen's contract, obtained by Newsday, runs thru 6/2016. Pays $375k, but no buyout. Just needs Cal's permission.
@jimbaumbach · 33m 33 minutes ago
I shouldn't even term it as Cal's permission. Contract simply states Rohrssen agrees to not pursue job elsewhere without telling Cal first.
Just can't see Cal standing in the way
He would need a raise over that though as more expensive in NYC tan KY
wasn't dunlap getting $500k?
The rumor was 400k at the time (on rumble in the Garden)
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I believe that Chris would be the third SJU coach to try to get Slice to come here. I know that Nrom did and I thought Lavin also. Maybe the third time is the "charm".
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Whoever Called Matt A green is incorrect. He's elite at his craft. As for Slice , too much thinking about winning a title or credit....he will have Cal's permission to go if he wants and if Barry thinks its the right move for him he will come. . I can also tell you 2 legit recruits might be on board soon(isn).
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I believe that Chris would be the third SJU coach to try to get Slice to come here. I know that Nrom did and I thought Lavin also. Maybe the third time is the "charm".
Slice didn't want to step down as head coach at Manhatan and who could blame him
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Whoever Called Matt A green is incorrect. He's elite at his craft. As for Slice , too much thinking about winning a title or credit....he will have Cal's permission to go if he wants and if Barry thinks its the right move for him he will come. . I can also tell you 2 legit recruits might be on board soon(isn).
It was me, and only because of the # of years on the job and compared to the other recruiters we have been talking about. Glad to hear that my phrasing was incorrect, and I am certianly not an age-ist so I am psyched Matt A is an experienced recruiter! Still would love a second one on staff as Paultzman and many others have said, to split duties.
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@jimbaumbach · 36m 36 minutes ago
Kentucky assistant Barry Rohrssen's contract, obtained by Newsday, runs thru 6/2016. Pays $375k, but no buyout. Just needs Cal's permission.
@jimbaumbach · 33m 33 minutes ago
I shouldn't even term it as Cal's permission. Contract simply states Rohrssen agrees to not pursue job elsewhere without telling Cal first.
Love that Jim's covering this story for Newsday. He's an SJU grad, and great guy.
Bleeds red and white. Got his start covering sports for the Torch.
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The Kid...sorry didn't mean to be harsh or critical.....Matt A is a great guy, communicates really well with the kids and is an elite recruiter. He will be a fine a classy representative of the university
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@JPPelzman 3m3 minutes ago
Even with Abdelmassih in the fold, I'm told Slice Rohrssen still in play. #sjubb
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It really is something special to see all these NYC coaches coming home or potentially comming home. For years people have been saying that SJU should do more in NYC as players and coaches left themselves. With all these NYC coaches comig back, especially the ones with SJU connections is awesome.
They are getting paid well but believe me the dollars goes a hell of a lot further in other parts of the country then the city. There is a definite commitment to ensure SJU really does become an historic program again. Lavin does get credit from rising this program from the ashes.
Is it Novemeber yet?
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The Kid...sorry didn't mean to be harsh or critical.....Matt A is a great guy, communicates really well with the kids and is an elite recruiter. He will be a fine a classy representative of the university
No apologies needed! "Green" was a poor choice not knowing his specific background, I guess I should have said it would be nice to have another elite recruiter like Matt to team up with Matt, who sounds like an amazing hire which I am completely psyched about.
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Whoever Called Matt A green is incorrect. He's elite at his craft. As for Slice , too much thinking about winning a title or credit....he will have Cal's permission to go if he wants and if Barry thinks its the right move for him he will come. . I can also tell you 2 legit recruits might be on board soon(isn).
That and Iowa State is Transfer U. The first couple of years, we're gonna half to Frankenstein this thing together. Love that he's a local guy. That should open doors.
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@jimbaumbach · 36m 36 minutes ago
Kentucky assistant Barry Rohrssen's contract, obtained by Newsday, runs thru 6/2016. Pays $375k, but no buyout. Just needs Cal's permission.
@jimbaumbach · 33m 33 minutes ago
I shouldn't even term it as Cal's permission. Contract simply states Rohrssen agrees to not pursue job elsewhere without telling Cal first.
Love that Jim's covering this story for Newsday. He's an SJU grad, and great guy.
Bleeds red and white. Got his start covering sports for the Torch.
Also an SJU professor, took him for a sports writing class, good class. Got an A.
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Curious as to what makes Matt Abdelmassih so good as a recruiter? Like what does he do that separates himself from other recruiters to classify him as great. Does he go to a lot of games, have good relationships with coaches and players? The fact that he's younger?
Genuinely curious on his methods
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@jimbaumbach · 36m 36 minutes ago
Kentucky assistant Barry Rohrssen's contract, obtained by Newsday, runs thru 6/2016. Pays $375k, but no buyout. Just needs Cal's permission.
@jimbaumbach · 33m 33 minutes ago
I shouldn't even term it as Cal's permission. Contract simply states Rohrssen agrees to not pursue job elsewhere without telling Cal first.
Love that Jim's covering this story for Newsday. He's an SJU grad, and great guy.
Bleeds red and white. Got his start covering sports for the Torch.
Also an SJU professor, took him for a sports writing class, good class. Got an A.
Same.
Great guy
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@JayOn_1
Mullin will definitely keep 1 guy from Lavins staff
Anyone else hearing this?
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The trainer. He's been there 47 years.
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It really is something special to see all these NYC coaches coming home or potentially comming home. For years people have been saying that SJU should do more in NYC as players and coaches left themselves. With all these NYC coaches comig back, especially the ones with SJU connections is awesome.
They are getting paid well but believe me the dollars goes a hell of a lot further in other parts of the country then the city. There is a definite commitment to ensure SJU really does become an historic program again. Lavin does get credit from rising this program from the ashes.
Is it Novemeber yet?
For the first time in a long time, it appears we finally hit the nail on the head. I was not on board with replacing Lavin unless there was a clear upgrade, and we have done that. We are finally putting together a staff that is both passionate and capable. Jarvis and Lavin were capable, but looked at the job as, well, a job. It appeared they were not willing to go above and beyond to ensure the success of the basketball program. Norm appeared to be passionate, but he was not capable of doing anything. Chris along with Matt and company will crystalize the picture that Lavin painted this program would become. Exciting times we are in.
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Maybe he is keeping Jayon
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Curious as to what makes Matt Abdelmassih so good as a recruiter? Like what does he do that separates himself from other recruiters to classify him as great. Does he go to a lot of games, have good relationships with coaches and players? The fact that he's younger?
Genuinely curious on his methods
Genuine, calculated, relentless
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Curious as to what makes Matt Abdelmassih so good as a recruiter? Like what does he do that separates himself from other recruiters to classify him as great. Does he go to a lot of games, have good relationships with coaches and players? The fact that he's younger?
Genuinely curious on his methods
It's probably similar to Timothy Olyphant's character Kelly, (a porn director) in The Girl Next Door, where he scans the room and upon observing cheerleaders and football players, says:
Kelly (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0648249/?ref_=tt_trv_qu): Man, there is some talent here .... How do I get these ideas? It's like a gift, you know? It's like I can't control it.
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@JayOn_1
Mullin will definitely keep 1 guy from Lavins staff
Anyone else hearing this?
Just can't see that happening
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@jimbaumbach · 36m 36 minutes ago
Kentucky assistant Barry Rohrssen's contract, obtained by Newsday, runs thru 6/2016. Pays $375k, but no buyout. Just needs Cal's permission.
@jimbaumbach · 33m 33 minutes ago
I shouldn't even term it as Cal's permission. Contract simply states Rohrssen agrees to not pursue job elsewhere without telling Cal first.
Just can't see Cal standing in the way
He would need a raise over that though as more expensive in NYC tan KY
wasn't dunlap getting $500k?
Dump Keady's 200k + in the pot. :)
really? damn, $200k is a boatload for someone to be a "mentor" to the coaching staff.
Heard Keady was making more than that LOL
The 200 is accurate.
However there was other expenses that came into play.
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@JayOn_1
Mullin will definitely keep 1 guy from Lavins staff
Anyone else hearing this?
Just can't see that happening
Whitesell would be my only guess.
that said, Lavin's staff is much more than just the coaches. could be anyone from dobo to admin assistant.
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@jimbaumbach · 36m 36 minutes ago
Kentucky assistant Barry Rohrssen's contract, obtained by Newsday, runs thru 6/2016. Pays $375k, but no buyout. Just needs Cal's permission.
@jimbaumbach · 33m 33 minutes ago
I shouldn't even term it as Cal's permission. Contract simply states Rohrssen agrees to not pursue job elsewhere without telling Cal first.
Just can't see Cal standing in the way
He would need a raise over that though as more expensive in NYC tan KY
wasn't dunlap getting $500k?
Dump Keady's 200k + in the pot. :)
really? damn, $200k is a boatload for someone to be a "mentor" to the coaching staff.
Heard Keady was making more than that LOL
The 200 is accurate.
However there was other expenses that came into play.
Cigars, haircuts, manicures, pedicures???
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@JayOn_1
Mullin will definitely keep 1 guy from Lavins staff
Anyone else hearing this?
Just can't see that happening
The grad assistant?
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@jimbaumbach · 36m 36 minutes ago
Kentucky assistant Barry Rohrssen's contract, obtained by Newsday, runs thru 6/2016. Pays $375k, but no buyout. Just needs Cal's permission.
@jimbaumbach · 33m 33 minutes ago
I shouldn't even term it as Cal's permission. Contract simply states Rohrssen agrees to not pursue job elsewhere without telling Cal first.
Just can't see Cal standing in the way
He would need a raise over that though as more expensive in NYC tan KY
wasn't dunlap getting $500k?
Dump Keady's 200k + in the pot. :)
really? damn, $200k is a boatload for someone to be a "mentor" to the coaching staff.
Heard Keady was making more than that LOL
The 200 is accurate.
However there was other expenses that came into play.
Cigars, haircuts, manicures, pedicures???
rent, I think. But I really have no idea, just guessing.
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Curious as to what makes Matt Abdelmassih so good as a recruiter? Like what does he do that separates himself from other recruiters to classify him as great. Does he go to a lot of games, have good relationships with coaches and players? The fact that he's younger?
Genuinely curious on his methods
Genuine, calculated, relentless
Calculated - love that - Need to have a clear vision AND execute on the plans
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@JayOn_1
Mullin will definitely keep 1 guy from Lavins staff
Anyone else hearing this?
Just can't see that happening
Whitesell would be my only guess.
that said, Lavin's staff is much more than just the coaches. could be anyone from dobo to admin assistant.
Maybes it's Zendon as video coordinator or something similar
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@JayOn_1
Mullin will definitely keep 1 guy from Lavins staff
Anyone else hearing this?
Just can't see that happening
Whitesell would be my only guess.
that said, Lavin's staff is much more than just the coaches. could be anyone from dobo to admin assistant.
Maybes it's Zendon as video coordinator or something similar
Zendon as DOBO possible I guess
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@jimbaumbach · 36m 36 minutes ago
Kentucky assistant Barry Rohrssen's contract, obtained by Newsday, runs thru 6/2016. Pays $375k, but no buyout. Just needs Cal's permission.
@jimbaumbach · 33m 33 minutes ago
I shouldn't even term it as Cal's permission. Contract simply states Rohrssen agrees to not pursue job elsewhere without telling Cal first.
Just can't see Cal standing in the way
He would need a raise over that though as more expensive in NYC tan KY
wasn't dunlap getting $500k?
Dump Keady's 200k + in the pot. :)
really? damn, $200k is a boatload for someone to be a "mentor" to the coaching staff.
Heard Keady was making more than that LOL
The 200 is accurate.
However there was other expenses that came into play.
A stock of Maker's Mark?
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@jimbaumbach · 36m 36 minutes ago
Kentucky assistant Barry Rohrssen's contract, obtained by Newsday, runs thru 6/2016. Pays $375k, but no buyout. Just needs Cal's permission.
@jimbaumbach · 33m 33 minutes ago
I shouldn't even term it as Cal's permission. Contract simply states Rohrssen agrees to not pursue job elsewhere without telling Cal first.
Just can't see Cal standing in the way
He would need a raise over that though as more expensive in NYC tan KY
wasn't dunlap getting $500k?
Dump Keady's 200k + in the pot. :)
really? damn, $200k is a boatload for someone to be a "mentor" to the coaching staff.
Heard Keady was making more than that LOL
The 200 is accurate.
However there was other expenses that came into play.
Cigars, haircuts, manicures, pedicures???
rent, I think. But I really have no idea, just guessing.
Too dead pan serious, killing me - you do know I was playfully joking, considering Coach Keady pulled his doll of a wife.
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Chris Cuomo @ChrisCuomo
.@SammyAlbano @georgetownhoyas takes me back. Pop was a lifer for the johnnies. Love coach. Loved mullin. He called me mini mullin (lefty)!
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If Barry is making 375 in KY, he will need to make 500 here and that would be just to stay even, sonce he will have to pay NYS and NYC income tax and the cost of living is about 20% greater in NYC fpr comparable housing, restaurants, etc.
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... for comparable housing, restaurants, etc.
cue Poison....
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The trainer. He's been there 47 years.
Good one! I was thinking the Priest.
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If Barry is making 375 in KY, he will need to make 500 here and that would be just to stay even, sonce he will have to pay NYS and NYC income tax and the cost of living is about 20% greater in NYC fpr comparable housing, restaurants, etc.
If you look at the Cost of Living composite average, Lexington is 92% of the national average, Queens is 159%, Brooklyn 181.7%, and Manhattan 216%. So almost double. I know there are a lot of other factors, but it is much more expensive to live in NYC than Lexington.
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If Barry is making 375 in KY, he will need to make 500 here and that would be just to stay even, sonce he will have to pay NYS and NYC income tax and the cost of living is about 20% greater in NYC fpr comparable housing, restaurants, etc.
If you look at the Cost of Living composite average, Lexington is 92% of the national average, Queens is 159%, Brooklyn 181.7%, and Manhattan 216%. So almost double. I know there are a lot of other factors, but it is much more expensive to live in NYC than Lexington.
If anyone thinks slice will do this purely for the money, I don't believe that's the reason. The money represents some respect, so the 92% is 407k equivalent, and Queens' 159% is 596k. I don't think 596k is going to happen. I would guess a first assistant like Slice could bring 450-500k? Or are the heavy hitters going to make up any extra?
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I'd pay 375K to NOT live in Lexington, Kentucky.
/Poison
:)
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Life for an assistant coach is all about security and relationships.
1. St. John's offers more long term security.
a. Coach on new contract
b. Less pressure than UK
2. Slice has heavy NY ties
a. Recruiting in his backyard
b. Knows landscape
It makes a lot of sense.
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I'd pay 375K to NOT live in Lexington, Kentucky.
/Poison
:)
Lexington is really nice
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Life for an assistant coach is all about security and relationships.
1. St. John's offers more long term security.
a. Coach on new contract
b. Less pressure than UK
2. Slice has heavy NY ties
a. Recruiting in his backyard
b. Knows landscape
It makes a lot of sense.
Lets not forget, his family and friends are in NY
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$375k in Lexington is like $750k in NYC. You can live VERY nicely down there on that coin.
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Life for an assistant coach is all about security and relationships.
1. St. John's offers more long term security.
a. Coach on new contract
b. Less pressure than UK
2. Slice has heavy NY ties
a. Recruiting in his backyard
b. Knows landscape
It makes a lot of sense.
Lets not forget, his family and friends are in NY
Yes and pizza
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Life for an assistant coach is all about security and relationships.
1. St. John's offers more long term security.
a. Coach on new contract
b. Less pressure than UK
2. Slice has heavy NY ties
a. Recruiting in his backyard
b. Knows landscape
It makes a lot of sense.
Solid
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I would pay him 500 if that is what it takes. And it will likely take that amount. I assume he has a family and children. You become accustomed to living on what you earn. Taking a 35 percent or more pay cut , which is what he would do if he came here at the same salary, would not be likely. Some would even call it nuts.
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Life for an assistant coach is all about security and relationships.
1. St. John's offers more long term security.
a. Coach on new contract
b. Less pressure than UK
2. Slice has heavy NY ties
a. Recruiting in his backyard
b. Knows landscape
It makes a lot of sense.
Lets not forget, his family and friends are in NY
Yes and pizza
KY has the Bourbon Trail though
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Life for an assistant coach is all about security and relationships.
1. St. John's offers more long term security.
a. Coach on new contract
b. Less pressure than UK
2. Slice has heavy NY ties
a. Recruiting in his backyard
b. Knows landscape
It makes a lot of sense.
Lets not forget, his family and friends are in NY
Yes and pizza
KY has the Bourbon Trail though
NY can import bourbon, KY can't import pizza
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Lol. Colin Cowherd killing Mullin for taking job. " it's an awful job".
Don't get that. Does anyone in the bis think he would end up at UCLA. Whatever kind of job it is, he is here because it is SJU.
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Slice loves NY. Think about this Norm nearly convinced Barry to come to SJU in 2004 when SJU had NOTHING and Rohrssen had one of the best assistant jobs in the BE at Pittsburgh. Which was becoming the premiere program in the BE under Howland and then Dixon. He said no when Pitt offered him more money and the top assistant job.
Then he came very close to leaving Manhattan as a HC to come join Lavin's staff as an assistant.
Both instances would be looked at as a STEP DOWN. But he loves NYC and specifically has a fondness for SJU.
And now throw Chris into the mix...
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I'd pay 375K to NOT live in Lexington, Kentucky.
/Poison
:)
Lexington is really nice
Lexington is gorgeous. All my friends and family made fun of me for years for buying a farm in Kentucky and then everyone that has visited has wanted to buy there as well.
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I'd pay 375K to NOT live in Lexington, Kentucky.
/Poison
:)
Lexington is really nice
Lexington is gorgeous. All my friends and family made fun of me for years for buying a farm in Kentucky and then everyone that has visited has wanted to buy there as well.
Invite Poison down. If you can convince him, I'm in.
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You got to hand it to these SHU insiders who have all the SJU information...
Derm Player...HA HA...Coach Mullin would jump off the Triborough before he hired Derm Player...
It's been 5 minutes and I still haven't stop laughing at that one.
https://setonhall.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?fid=330&tid=179799321&mid=179799321&sid=959&style=2
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^^Very exciting news on this hiring! Great time to be a Johnnies fan. Thanks for the info. guys, keep it coming!
In regards to Slice, some Kentucky posters are saying that he's like a pig in slop in Lexington. Whether that means he's staying put or not remains to be seen.
Think that means he's EXTREMELY happy there.
Pig in slop. More reason to come back to NYC.
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I'd pay 375K to NOT live in Lexington, Kentucky.
/Poison
:)
Lexington is really nice
Lexington is gorgeous. All my friends and family made fun of me for years for buying a farm in Kentucky and then everyone that has visited has wanted to buy there as well.
I spent the longest three days there in 1985. Sunday was DRY but one of the Redmen faithful effectively "rented" a bar and we were able to drink (highly necessary after Saturday's game) as he figured he could more than cover the fine.
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Mat Abdelmassih: "This is the one job I always said I would come walking back to."
Matt Abdelmassih: "We want to foster relationships where the city kids are expected to go to St. John's."
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Mat Abdelmassih: "This is the one job I always said I would come walking back to."
Matt Abdelmassih: "We want to foster relationships where the city kids are expected to go to St. John's."
This notion that the talent isn't here in NY is ridiculous. If we take care of our back yard we will be good year in, year out.
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Mat Abdelmassih: "This is the one job I always said I would come walking back to."
Matt Abdelmassih: "We want to foster relationships where the city kids are expected to go to St. John's."
This notion that the talent isn't here in NY is ridiculous. If we take care of our back yard we will be good year in, year out.
Correct. It's no coincidence that this program started going downhill once we stopped landing NY recruits on a consistent basis
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I'd pay 375K to NOT live in Lexington, Kentucky.
/Poison
:)
Lexington is really nice
Lexington is gorgeous. All my friends and family made fun of me for years for buying a farm in Kentucky and then everyone that has visited has wanted to buy there as well.
Maher and I had a great time in Lexington and met some really nice people
I would live there in a heartbeat
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Mat Abdelmassih: "This is the one job I always said I would come walking back to."
Matt Abdelmassih: "We want to foster relationships where the city kids are expected to go to St. John's."
Someone who gets it. I love this quote. I can't remember the last time I read a SJU coach echo this sentiment. You get 2-3 quality kids a year, and one or two underrecruited kids, from the 5 boros, NJ, LI and Westchester and this program will be top 25 annually.
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Mat Abdelmassih: "This is the one job I always said I would come walking back to."
Matt Abdelmassih: "We want to foster relationships where the city kids are expected to go to St. John's."
Someone who gets it. I love this quote. I can't remember the last time I read a SJU coach echo this sentiment. You get 2-3 quality kids a year, and one or two underrecruited kids, from the 5 boros, NJ, LI and Westchester and this program will be top 25 annually.
See Norm's press conference
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Mat Abdelmassih: "This is the one job I always said I would come walking back to."
Matt Abdelmassih: "We want to foster relationships where the city kids are expected to go to St. John's."
Someone who gets it. I love this quote. I can't remember the last time I read a SJU coach echo this sentiment. You get 2-3 quality kids a year, and one or two underrecruited kids, from the 5 boros, NJ, LI and Westchester and this program will be top 25 annually.
See Norm's press conference
I meant a real coach.
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http://zagsblog.com/articles/kentuckys-slice-paying-immediate-dividends-as-a-recruiter/
zags article from earlier this year on Slice.
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Are people still thinking the hiring of Matt a means no slice?
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Names I've heard. Matt A. Slice, PJ. Carlessimo, Ed Pinkney.
How about Chris, Eddie P, Matt A, Slice and Terrence as DOBO.
4 kids from Brooklyn and 1 from the Bronx. Nothing more New York than that!!!! LOL!!!
Pretty close except for Slice
As in Slice isnt coming?
Don't believe so
Do you think Slice would be talking to SJU, when his team in the Final Four? I hope not, but I don't live in that world, would seem unprofessional, after yes.
Not sure how unprofessional it really is. Didn't Capel have an interview with ASU yesterday?
Mullin could have called Slice saying congrats on making the Final 4.
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Mat Abdelmassih: "This is the one job I always said I would come walking back to."
Matt Abdelmassih: "We want to foster relationships where the city kids are expected to go to St. John's."
This notion that the talent isn't here in NY is ridiculous. If we take care of our back yard we will be good year in, year out.
Talent in NY stinks
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Names I've heard. Matt A. Slice, PJ. Carlessimo, Ed Pinkney.
How about Chris, Eddie P, Matt A, Slice and Terrence as DOBO.
4 kids from Brooklyn and 1 from the Bronx. Nothing more New York than that!!!! LOL!!!
Pretty close except for Slice
As in Slice isnt coming?
Don't believe so
Do you think Slice would be talking to SJU, when his team in the Final Four? I hope not, but I don't live in that world, would seem unprofessional, after yes.
Not sure how unprofessional it really is. Didn't Capel have an interview with ASU yesterday?
Mullin could have called Slice saying congrats on making the Final 4.
For Head Coaching job I can understand, but not as much moving to a parallel position. Was just wondering how it is accepted by fellow Head Coaches.
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No one here has ever sought new job opportunity while being gainfully employed before?
Why should it be different for basketball coaches?
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Mat Abdelmassih: "This is the one job I always said I would come walking back to."
Matt Abdelmassih: "We want to foster relationships where the city kids are expected to go to St. John's."
This notion that the talent isn't here in NY is ridiculous. If we take care of our back yard we will be good year in, year out.
Talent in NY stinks
i really hope this isn't Norm 2.0 where we bend over backwards trying to land NYC talent, only to be turned down at the end.
the PR behind this hire appears to be about keeping local talent. that is the wrong way to go in my opinion. yes mullin and crew shouldn't alienate local schools, coaches, "handlers" but to make nyc the priority... i don't know.
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Mat Abdelmassih: "This is the one job I always said I would come walking back to."
Matt Abdelmassih: "We want to foster relationships where the city kids are expected to go to St. John's."
This notion that the talent isn't here in NY is ridiculous. If we take care of our back yard we will be good year in, year out.
Talent in NY stinks
i really hope this isn't Norm 2.0 where we bend over backwards trying to land NYC talent, only to be turned down at the end.
the PR behind this hire appears to be about keeping local talent. that is the wrong way to go in my opinion. yes mullin and crew shouldn't alienate local schools, coaches, "handlers" but to make nyc the priority... i don't know.
Making NYC AND NJ the priority would work out just fine.
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How hard is it to take 5 minutes out of your busy day preparing for final 4 for you to say you are interested in the job and we will talk after I am done with the season. Who knows maybe Cal gave his blessing and they will talk again in Indy.
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Mat Abdelmassih: "This is the one job I always said I would come walking back to."
Matt Abdelmassih: "We want to foster relationships where the city kids are expected to go to St. John's."
This notion that the talent isn't here in NY is ridiculous. If we take care of our back yard we will be good year in, year out.
Talent in NY stinks
Not true
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Mat Abdelmassih: "This is the one job I always said I would come walking back to."
Matt Abdelmassih: "We want to foster relationships where the city kids are expected to go to St. John's."
This notion that the talent isn't here in NY is ridiculous. If we take care of our back yard we will be good year in, year out.
Talent in NY stinks
i really hope this isn't Norm 2.0 where we bend over backwards trying to land NYC talent, only to be turned down at the end.
the PR behind this hire appears to be about keeping local talent. that is the wrong way to go in my opinion. yes mullin and crew shouldn't alienate local schools, coaches, "handlers" but to make nyc the priority... i don't know.
Making NYC AND NJ the priority would work out just fine.
in the 80s. not today.
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Mat Abdelmassih: "This is the one job I always said I would come walking back to."
Matt Abdelmassih: "We want to foster relationships where the city kids are expected to go to St. John's."
This notion that the talent isn't here in NY is ridiculous. If we take care of our back yard we will be good year in, year out.
Talent in NY stinks
i really hope this isn't Norm 2.0 where we bend over backwards trying to land NYC talent, only to be turned down at the end.
the PR behind this hire appears to be about keeping local talent. that is the wrong way to go in my opinion. yes mullin and crew shouldn't alienate local schools, coaches, "handlers" but to make nyc the priority... i don't know.
Making NYC AND NJ the priority would work out just fine.
in the 80s. not today.
This NY thing is overrated
The main thing is you cannot ignore NYC kids when they are there and some kids you may have to take a chance on and then develop them
You need a good balance of NYC/NJ/CT kids and then go elsewhere for a need
I would imagine we won't forget about Cali kids, or Texas kids, and maybe even hit Florida for some talent
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Mat Abdelmassih: "This is the one job I always said I would come walking back to."
Matt Abdelmassih: "We want to foster relationships where the city kids are expected to go to St. John's."
This notion that the talent isn't here in NY is ridiculous. If we take care of our back yard we will be good year in, year out.
Talent in NY stinks
i really hope this isn't Norm 2.0 where we bend over backwards trying to land NYC talent, only to be turned down at the end.
the PR behind this hire appears to be about keeping local talent. that is the wrong way to go in my opinion. yes mullin and crew shouldn't alienate local schools, coaches, "handlers" but to make nyc the priority... i don't know.
Making NYC AND NJ the priority would work out just fine.
in the 80s. not today.
Priority means your "focus", not where you dedicate 100% of your resources. And NJ has been extremely fertile for basketball players.
Even in the 80s/90s we got guys form outside the tristate area (for better or worse)...our goal should be to try to get at least 1-2 kids from NYC/NJ/CT to stay a year, that way once schollies balance out, you have between 4-8 kids from the tristate. 6 would be a nice critical mass.
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You got to hand it to these SHU insiders who have all the SJU information...
Derm Player...HA HA...Coach Mullin would jump off the Triborough before he hired Derm Player...
It's been 5 minutes and I still haven't stop laughing at that one.
https://setonhall.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?fid=330&tid=179799321&mid=179799321&sid=959&style=2
@AdamZagoria: Former Seton Hall/St. John's asst Dermon Player in the mix for Chris Mullin's staff, source confirms to @SNYtv
I hope this is just one rumor. I recall him petitioning for a spot on Lavin's initial staff.
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No one here has ever sought new job opportunity while being gainfully employed before?
Why should it be different for basketball coaches?
I agree, but when you are trying to win a championship in a concentrated period of time, it could a major distraction to the Head Coach and Team. Plus it gets played in social media, where your job hunt would not.
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Mat Abdelmassih: "This is the one job I always said I would come walking back to."
Matt Abdelmassih: "We want to foster relationships where the city kids are expected to go to St. John's."
This notion that the talent isn't here in NY is ridiculous. If we take care of our back yard we will be good year in, year out.
Talent in NY stinks
i really hope this isn't Norm 2.0 where we bend over backwards trying to land NYC talent, only to be turned down at the end.
the PR behind this hire appears to be about keeping local talent. that is the wrong way to go in my opinion. yes mullin and crew shouldn't alienate local schools, coaches, "handlers" but to make nyc the priority... i don't know.
Making NYC AND NJ the priority would work out just fine.
in the 80s. not today.
Priority means your "focus", not where you dedicate 100% of your resources. And NJ has been extremely fertile for basketball players.
Even in the 80s/90s we got guys form outside the tristate area (for better or worse)...our goal should be to try to get at least 1-2 kids from NYC/NJ/CT to stay a year, that way once schollies balance out, you have between 4-8 kids from the tristate. 6 would be a nice critical mass.
Of course, we should recruit NYC area hard, and get the best (players) from the city. But if we wanna consistently compete on a national level, then we're gonna have to land some of best (players) throughout the nation and abroad (when and if opportunity knocks).
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You got to hand it to these SHU insiders who have all the SJU information...
Derm Player...HA HA...Coach Mullin would jump off the Triborough before he hired Derm Player...
It's been 5 minutes and I still haven't stop laughing at that one.
https://setonhall.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?fid=330&tid=179799321&mid=179799321&sid=959&style=2
@AdamZagoria: Former Seton Hall/St. John's asst Dermon Player in the mix for Chris Mullin's staff, source confirms to @SNYtv
I hope this is just one rumor. I recall him petitioning for a spot on Lavin's initial staff.
He did and I am not sure where Zags got that.
And I can't believe it is anything but an administrative position.
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You got to hand it to these SHU insiders who have all the SJU information...
Derm Player...HA HA...Coach Mullin would jump off the Triborough before he hired Derm Player...
It's been 5 minutes and I still haven't stop laughing at that one.
https://setonhall.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?fid=330&tid=179799321&mid=179799321&sid=959&style=2
@AdamZagoria: Former Seton Hall/St. John's asst Dermon Player in the mix for Chris Mullin's staff, source confirms to @SNYtv
I hope this is just one rumor. I recall him petitioning for a spot on Lavin's initial staff.
Dink five hours ago Dermon reached out to o Tarik T & said;
@dermonplayer: @tarik4turner @dermonplayer so happy for our school I'm here if they need me
I guess "I'm here if they need me" is a scoop to Zags, lol
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You got to hand it to these SHU insiders who have all the SJU information...
Derm Player...HA HA...Coach Mullin would jump off the Triborough before he hired Derm Player...
It's been 5 minutes and I still haven't stop laughing at that one.
https://setonhall.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?fid=330&tid=179799321&mid=179799321&sid=959&style=2
@AdamZagoria: Former Seton Hall/St. John's asst Dermon Player in the mix for Chris Mullin's staff, source confirms to @SNYtv
I hope this is just one rumor. I recall him petitioning for a spot on Lavin's initial staff.
Dink five hours ago Dermon reached out to o Tarik T & said;
@dermonplayer: @tarik4turner @dermonplayer so happy for our school I'm here if they need me
I guess "I'm here if they need me" is a scoop to Zags, lol
LOL You're probably right, in reference to Zags.
I also see Player is petitioning again.
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You got to hand it to these SHU insiders who have all the SJU information...
Derm Player...HA HA...Coach Mullin would jump off the Triborough before he hired Derm Player...
It's been 5 minutes and I still haven't stop laughing at that one.
https://setonhall.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?fid=330&tid=179799321&mid=179799321&sid=959&style=2
@AdamZagoria: Former Seton Hall/St. John's asst Dermon Player in the mix for Chris Mullin's staff, source confirms to @SNYtv
I hope this is just one rumor. I recall him petitioning for a spot on Lavin's initial staff.
Dink five hours ago Dermon reached out to o Tarik T & said;
@dermonplayer: @tarik4turner @dermonplayer so happy for our school I'm here if they need me
I guess "I'm here if they need me" is a scoop to Zags, lol
BOOM...
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Mat Abdelmassih: "This is the one job I always said I would come walking back to."
Matt Abdelmassih: "We want to foster relationships where the city kids are expected to go to St. John's."
This notion that the talent isn't here in NY is ridiculous. If we take care of our back yard we will be good year in, year out.
Talent in NY stinks
Your kidding right?
2015 - Diallo, Briscoe, Richardson, Bryant, Diagne, Lydon, Govan, and McDuffie
2014 - Towns, Whitehead, McCullough, Larrier, Delgado.
2013 - Johnson, Roberson, Lawrence, Cameron, Sina, Facey.
I'm not saying focus only on the NY/NY kids, but every year there are a handful of 4/5 star kids that come out of the area and if we landed just 1-2 of them a year we would have sustained success.
Kentucky is in the FF, and they have 3 kids from this list. I don't think they believe the talent stinks.
Sure there maybe more talent coming out of FL, TX and CA, but we don't need quantity, we just need to land 1-2 of them a year.
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Mat Abdelmassih: "This is the one job I always said I would come walking back to."
Matt Abdelmassih: "We want to foster relationships where the city kids are expected to go to St. John's."
This notion that the talent isn't here in NY is ridiculous. If we take care of our back yard we will be good year in, year out.
Talent in NY stinks
Your kidding right?
2015 - Diallo, Briscoe, Richardson, Bryant, Diagne, Lydon, Govan, and McDuffie
2014 - Towns, Whitehead, McCullough, Larrier, Delgado.
2013 - Johnson, Roberson, Lawrence, Cameron, Sina, Facey.
I'm not saying focus only on the NY/NY kids, but every year there are a handful of 4/5 star kids that come out of the area and if we landed just 1-2 of them a year we would have sustained success.
Kentucky is in the FF, and they have 3 kids from this list. I don't think they believe the talent stinks.
Sure there maybe more talent coming out of FL, TX and CA, but we don't need quantity, we just need to land 1-2 of them a year.
He's talking about strictly NYC kids and he is right. If you want to stretch it out to the metro area then that takes it up a notch.
Keep in mind in defense of Lavin as we know he targeted Briscoe and Kyle Anderson and was a finalist for both so it is not 100% fair to say we ignored or failed to recruit these top metro guys.
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Mat Abdelmassih: "This is the one job I always said I would come walking back to."
Matt Abdelmassih: "We want to foster relationships where the city kids are expected to go to St. John's."
This notion that the talent isn't here in NY is ridiculous. If we take care of our back yard we will be good year in, year out.
Talent in NY stinks
Your kidding right?
2015 - Diallo, Briscoe, Richardson, Bryant, Diagne, Lydon, Govan, and McDuffie
2014 - Towns, Whitehead, McCullough, Larrier, Delgado.
2013 - Johnson, Roberson, Lawrence, Cameron, Sina, Facey.
I'm not saying focus only on the NY/NY kids, but every year there are a handful of 4/5 star kids that come out of the area and if we landed just 1-2 of them a year we would have sustained success.
Kentucky is in the FF, and they have 3 kids from this list. I don't think they believe the talent stinks.
Sure there maybe more talent coming out of FL, TX and CA, but we don't need quantity, we just need to land 1-2 of them a year.
He's talking about strictly NYC kids and he is right. If you want to stretch it out to the metro area then that takes it up a notch.
Keep in mind in defense of Lavin as we know he targeted Briscoe and Kyle Anderson and was a finalist for both so it is not 100% fair to say we ignored or failed to recruit these top metro guys.
I think it's only fair to stretch it out because it makes sense. You can't compare NYC alone to Texas, California, and Florida. The talent is spread out across these states and not concentrated in one area. Geographically speaking the metropolitan area is closer in proximity than the areas in these states. The point is we need to do a better job landing our local talent and it starts by recruiting all of them. Not one here and there.
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Mat Abdelmassih: "This is the one job I always said I would come walking back to."
Matt Abdelmassih: "We want to foster relationships where the city kids are expected to go to St. John's."
This notion that the talent isn't here in NY is ridiculous. If we take care of our back yard we will be good year in, year out.
Talent in NY stinks
Your kidding right?
2015 - Diallo, Briscoe, Richardson, Bryant, Diagne, Lydon, Govan, and McDuffie
2014 - Towns, Whitehead, McCullough, Larrier, Delgado.
2013 - Johnson, Roberson, Lawrence, Cameron, Sina, Facey.
I'm not saying focus only on the NY/NY kids, but every year there are a handful of 4/5 star kids that come out of the area and if we landed just 1-2 of them a year we would have sustained success.
Kentucky is in the FF, and they have 3 kids from this list. I don't think they believe the talent stinks.
Sure there maybe more talent coming out of FL, TX and CA, but we don't need quantity, we just need to land 1-2 of them a year.
He's talking about strictly NYC kids and he is right. If you want to stretch it out to the metro area then that takes it up a notch.
Keep in mind in defense of Lavin as we know he targeted Briscoe and Kyle Anderson and was a finalist for both so it is not 100% fair to say we ignored or failed to recruit these top metro guys.
I think it's only fair to stretch it out because it makes sense. You can't compare NYC alone to Texas, California, and Florida. The talent is spread out across these states and not concentrated in one area. Geographically speaking the metropolitan area is closer in proximity than the areas in these states. The point is we need to do a better job landing our local talent and it starts by recruiting all of them. Not one here and there.
So hard these days because so many city kids finish school in NJ or FL or the NEPSAC
Years and years ago there were probably a dozen D1 players a year from just the PSAL and Cathonlic schools plus more from LI and Westchester. Today much less.
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I hope Chris Mullin take care of Walter berry !!
Tweet from Kenny Anderson
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I hope Chris Mullin take care of Walter berry !!
Tweet from Kenny Anderson
There would be so many people to take care of. At this point, need the best staff to get this thing rolling again.
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I hope Chris Mullin take care of Walter berry !!
Tweet from Kenny Anderson
Gave a big shout out to Walter Berry "The Truth, Walter Berry is here" with a huge smile on his face.
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I hope Chris Mullin take care of Walter berry !!
Tweet from Kenny Anderson
Gave a big shout out to Walter Berry "The Truth, Walter Berry is here" with a huge smile on his face.
Has there ever been a better duo here?
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Looks like Pinkney will join staff & Slice well in play.
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Press conferences are boring. This wasn't. It is on Youtube for those of you who don't have ESPN3 Whatever doubts I had are gone. WOW!
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Hey paultz. Mully said on radio staff would be in place in 2 days. Does that mean anything for slice or will we wait on him? I sure hope so. Also thanx for the info and sorry if already asked but what's up with the Avi? Is that thomas Bryant
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Hey paultz. Mully said on radio staff would be in place in 2 days. Does that mean anything for slice or will we wait on him? I sure hope so. Also thanx for the info and sorry if already asked but what's up with the Avi? Is that thomas Bryant
Not Bryant. All I can say the few day reference to me was a good sign that things have been in motion. I also liked Chris' comment that he would like a coach with college HC experience, which Slice has. Maybe I am so psyched by Mullin coming that I am assuming the best on Slice. :)
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Hey paultz. Mully said on radio staff would be in place in 2 days. Does that mean anything for slice or will we wait on him? I sure hope so. Also thanx for the info and sorry if already asked but what's up with the Avi? Is that thomas Bryant
Not Bryant. All I can say the few day reference to me was a good sign that things have been in motion. I also liked Chris' comment that he would like a coach with college HC experience, which Slice has. Maybe I am so psyched by Mullin coming that I am assuming the best on Slice. :)
Who else fits that bill? I'm drawing blanks ...
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I am sure Slice can accept the job and finish up his NCAA championship with KY
As I said before Cal doesn't appear the type of guy that would stand in anyone's way
He will just reload with another great recruiter
I like the staff of Eddie (he sure will be able to help CO), Matt, and Slice
Great Brooklyn roots
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I am sure Slice can accept the job and finish up his NCAA championship with KY
As I said before Cal doesn't appear the type of guy that would stand in anyone's way
He will just reload with another great recruiter
I like the staff of Eddie (he sure will be able to help CO), Matt, and Slice
Great Brooklyn roots
Following Baldi's Beastie MM request, I hope the staff doesn't sleep - til Brooklyn
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Hey paultz. Mully said on radio staff would be in place in 2 days. Does that mean anything for slice or will we wait on him? I sure hope so. Also thanx for the info and sorry if already asked but what's up with the Avi? Is that thomas Bryant
Not Bryant. All I can say the few day reference to me was a good sign that things have been in motion. I also liked Chris' comment that he would like a coach with college HC experience, which Slice has. Maybe I am so psyched by Mullin coming that I am assuming the best on Slice. :)
Paultz, a uk fan is saying that slice is rumored to take over uk if cal leaves for the nba
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Paultz, a uk fan is saying that slice is rumored to take over uk if cal leaves for the nba
Lol.
Lulz.
Kek.
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Hey paultz. Mully said on radio staff would be in place in 2 days. Does that mean anything for slice or will we wait on him? I sure hope so. Also thanx for the info and sorry if already asked but what's up with the Avi? Is that thomas Bryant
Not Bryant. All I can say the few day reference to me was a good sign that things have been in motion. I also liked Chris' comment that he would like a coach with college HC experience, which Slice has. Maybe I am so psyched by Mullin coming that I am assuming the best on Slice. :)
Paultz, a uk fan is saying that slice is rumored to take over uk if cal leaves for the nba
That fan is sniffing glue really hard.
There is no way Kentucky hands their program off to a guy who was fired from Manhattan four years ago with a losing record.
That is an April Fools joke. Ashley Judd would start wearing a "I Love Pitino" shirt before that happens....LOL!
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Hey paultz. Mully said on radio staff would be in place in 2 days. Does that mean anything for slice or will we wait on him? I sure hope so. Also thanx for the info and sorry if already asked but what's up with the Avi? Is that thomas Bryant
Not Bryant. All I can say the few day reference to me was a good sign that things have been in motion. I also liked Chris' comment that he would like a coach with college HC experience, which Slice has. Maybe I am so psyched by Mullin coming that I am assuming the best on Slice. :)
Paultz, a uk fan is saying that slice is rumored to take over uk if cal leaves for the nba
No disrespect to Slice but I doubt they would give the job to him after his stint at Manhattan
Thy would seek another big time hire
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Hey paultz. Mully said on radio staff would be in place in 2 days. Does that mean anything for slice or will we wait on him? I sure hope so. Also thanx for the info and sorry if already asked but what's up with the Avi? Is that thomas Bryant
Not Bryant. All I can say the few day reference to me was a good sign that things have been in motion. I also liked Chris' comment that he would like a coach with college HC experience, which Slice has. Maybe I am so psyched by Mullin coming that I am assuming the best on Slice. :)
Paultz, a uk fan is saying that slice is rumored to take over uk if cal leaves for the nba
No disrespect to Slice but I doubt they would give the job to him after his stint at Manhattan
Thy would seek another big time hire
Ya think...LOL!!!
See my post above. This is KENTUCKY not Eastern Kentucky...LOL!!!
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Hey paultz. Mully said on radio staff would be in place in 2 days. Does that mean anything for slice or will we wait on him? I sure hope so. Also thanx for the info and sorry if already asked but what's up with the Avi? Is that thomas Bryant
Not Bryant. All I can say the few day reference to me was a good sign that things have been in motion. I also liked Chris' comment that he would like a coach with college HC experience, which Slice has. Maybe I am so psyched by Mullin coming that I am assuming the best on Slice. :)
Paultz, a uk fan is saying that slice is rumored to take over uk if cal leaves for the nba
No disrespect to Slice but I doubt they would give the job to him after his stint at Manhattan
Thy would seek another big time hire
Ya think...LOL!!!
See my post above. This is KENTUCKY not Eastern Kentucky...LOL!!!
Love it Fordham
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Hey paultz. Mully said on radio staff would be in place in 2 days. Does that mean anything for slice or will we wait on him? I sure hope so. Also thanx for the info and sorry if already asked but what's up with the Avi? Is that thomas Bryant
Not Bryant. All I can say the few day reference to me was a good sign that things have been in motion. I also liked Chris' comment that he would like a coach with college HC experience, which Slice has. Maybe I am so psyched by Mullin coming that I am assuming the best on Slice. :)
Paultz, a uk fan is saying that slice is rumored to take over uk if cal leaves for the nba
That fan is sniffing glue really hard.
There is no way Kentucky hands their program off to a guy who was fired from Manhattan four years ago with a losing record.
That is an April Fools joke. Ashley Judd would start wearing a "I Love Pitino" shirt before that happens....LOL!
lol ok I'll relay the message :)
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I'm sticking with the Slice comes back home to team up with the staff to become part of St. John's lore, and wind up legendary. UK is easy to recruit, St. John's - well, these guys are going to elevate their games and succeed - I'm not worried at all about the recruiting.
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I'm sticking with the Slice comes back home to team up with the staff to become part of St. John's lore, and wind up legendary. UK is easy to recruit, St. John's - well, these guys are going to elevate their games and succeed - I'm not worried at all about the recruiting.
I'm hearing it is very very much in play.
And if that happens...Katy Bar the Door...on recruiting...
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You only get 3 assistants? Why would 2 recruiters? Not a complaint just a question. Do either Slice or Matt coach?
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You only get 3 assistants? Why would 2 recruiters? Not a complaint just a question. Do either Slice or Matt coach?
Their coaches of course they do. One of the primary jobs of an assistant is to be a recruiter. They need to be on the road.
Kenny Payne and Slice are two of the best and have done it on multiple staffs before they arrived at Kentucky.
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You only get 3 assistants? Why would 2 recruiters? Not a complaint just a question. Do either Slice or Matt coach?
Their coaches of course they do. One of the primary jobs of an assistant is to be a recruiter. They need to be on the road.
Kenny Payne and Slice are two of the best and have done it on multiple staffs before they arrived at Kentucky.
As far as recruiting, loved Mullin's nugget about relying on his staff to help him, just like he relied on his teammates. He talked about Louie's staff and how they weren't assistants, they were "Lieutenants." Chris then recognized Ron Rutledge in the crowd - terrific. We'd all run through a wall for Chris, I cannot see how the players will see it any differently.
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You only get 3 assistants? Why would 2 recruiters? Not a complaint just a question. Do either Slice or Matt coach?
Their coaches of course they do. One of the primary jobs of an assistant is to be a recruiter. They need to be on the road.
Kenny Payne and Slice are two of the best and have done it on multiple staffs before they arrived at Kentucky.
Through the years, I've watched a lot of Maryland insider. The show is most informative. They've done pieces on what each assistant does. Even though they might have one or two real strengths, they must do these things well to be what they say in baseball is a 5 tool athlete:
1) recruit;
2) train the players in technique & nuances of the game;
3) plan practice schedules and team meetings (usually one specializes in it);
4) assist the dobo and HC with player communication as far as classes, personal matters (on a few occasions, I'd see players roaming through the Athletic Dept just to talk with assistants, even other personnel like alumni relations staff, to talk about classes, etc.);
5) break down game video fed to them by dobo
There's more to add I'm sure, and I'm probably missing one or two, but most of you know more than me on this.
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any idea of when next staff addition will be announced?
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any idea of when next staff addition will be announced?
CM referenced he hopes to add staff in "next few days" Usually this "stuff" is done incrementally.
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any idea of when next staff addition will be announced?
CM referenced he hopes to add staff in "next few days" Usually this "stuff" is done incrementally.
If Pinckney comes, when can he come after NBA season?
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any idea of when next staff addition will be announced?
CM referenced he hopes to add staff in "next few days" Usually this "stuff" is done incrementally.
If Pinckney comes, when can he come after NBA season?
Lets all hope he is not hired
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Why?
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Why?
The program can do better, especially if Coach Mullin wants Slice on the staff
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Hey paultz. Mully said on radio staff would be in place in 2 days. Does that mean anything for slice or will we wait on him? I sure hope so. Also thanx for the info and sorry if already asked but what's up with the Avi? Is that thomas Bryant
Not Bryant. All I can say the few day reference to me was a good sign that things have been in motion. I also liked Chris' comment that he would like a coach with college HC experience, which Slice has. Maybe I am so psyched by Mullin coming that I am assuming the best on Slice. :)
Paultz, a uk fan is saying that slice is rumored to take over uk if cal leaves for the nba
Better chance Ashley Judd takes over
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Why?
The program can do better, especially if Coach Mullin wants Slice on the staff
Is there a rift between Pinckney and Slice?
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Why?
The program can do better, especially if Coach Mullin wants Slice on the staff
Is there a rift between Pinckney and Slice?
Not that I know of. . but what roles does Pickney play if he brings in 2 main recruiters.
Ed was not blowing anyone away during his time at Villanova.
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Why?
The program can do better, especially if Coach Mullin wants Slice on the staff
Is there a rift between Pinckney and Slice?
Not that I know of. . but what roles does Pickney play if he brings in 2 main recruiters.
Ed was not blowing anyone away during his time at Villanova.
game planning/scouting opponents? Maybe that's what he does for the Bulls
But I see what you're saying. I just don't think a lot of good coaches will want to be the 4th fiddle in the band.
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George Blaney type?
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does he coach big men?
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Thibodeau is arguably a top 3-5 coach in the NBA....I find it hard to believe somebody that has been on his staff for 5 years wouldn't be a valuable asset.
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I'll trust Mullin on Pinkney if that his choice.
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does he coach big men?
And as for this question, I don't know, but if he does...look at the resurgence of Pau Gasol this year and the MVP caliber year Joakim Noah had last year.
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Thibodeau is arguably a top 3-5 coach in the NBA....I find it hard to believe somebody that has been on his staff for 5 years wouldn't be a valuable asset.
That to me is it in a nutshell. If he's good enough to be on Thibodeau's staff, he most certainly must bring some value. Additionally, Thibodeau is one of the top defensive minds in the league, I'm sure Pinkney picked up plenty of defensive principles and teaching methods during his time there. Can't see anything negative if he should come on board.
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Why?
The program can do better, especially if Coach Mullin wants Slice on the staff
Is there a rift between Pinckney and Slice?
Not that I know of. . but what roles does Pickney play if he brings in 2 main recruiters.
Ed was not blowing anyone away during his time at Villanova.
game planning/scouting opponents? Maybe that's what he does for the Bulls
But I see what you're saying. I just don't think a lot of good coaches will want to be the 4th fiddle in the band.
He shouldn't mind being John Paul Jones, or Ringo
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Zach Schonbrun @zschonbrun ·
Chris Mullin has been busy recruiting & putting staff together. Sources say he's contacted Kentucky's Barry Rohrrsen and Iona's Jared Grasso
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Ugh. Yup
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http://zagsblog.com/articles/kentuckys-slice-faces-tough-decision-but-prefers-the-pizza-in-new-york/
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Backup plan in case slice has change of heart?
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Backup plan in case slice has change of heart?
It would appear
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Matt A;
@mabde33: Well the last 72 hrs have been a blur. A lot accomplished in a short time. Couldn't be more excited about the future #newyorksteam #STJBB
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it's great to see the connections in play
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Backup plan in case slice has change of heart?
So, what's the noise on the Iona board about Grasso?
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Backup plan in case slice has change of heart?
Grasso
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Backup plan in case slice has change of heart?
Grasso
Backup plan or "The Guy"?
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I want slice 100% but Grasso also a recruiting demon. I still think Slice is coming...
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@TheBBallDiary: Hearing Barry Rohrssen to St John's. But do not know the logic behind it.
SIAP. Hopefully this guy knows what he's talking about. I love matt and could see grasso being good here but our head coach is great friends with one of the nation's top recruiters who's at least thinking about how nice coming home would be. I'd hate to see all those aligned stars go to waste. Slice changes the game for sju period
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@TheBBallDiary: Hearing Barry Rohrssen to St John's. But do not know the logic behind it.
SIAP. Hopefully this guy knows what he's talking about. I love matt and could see grasso being good here but our head coach is great friends with one of the nation's top recruiters who's at least thinking about how nice coming home would be. I'd hate to see all those aligned stars go to waste. Slice changes the game for sju period
Not really.
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Dave, you think no dice on slice or are you just saying that in general this dude doesn't know what's going on?
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A friend who's connected to the Iona program told me Grasso is coming to SJU.
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A friend who's connected to the Iona program told me Grasso is coming to SJU.
At the very least, he seems to be a plan B guy. Just me, but if he was plan A, would he not be offered already? We'll see very shortly.
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How is Grasso? Heard his name before but don't know much about him. Assuming he is a recruiter?
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Mullin hiring is great but more is necessary to counter the redmen curse.
1. BRING IN THE WHOPPER TO COACH THE BIG MEN. We have been small too long and he knew how to play and
2. An alumnus needs to reopen CUNNNGHAM PARK TAVERN {Sams]. Smokey and Sam are dead, unsure about Cahill but
3. Fitzpatrick and Hurley are still kicking and can provide the proper ambience for an SJU bar
4. A dive bar to provide the proper atmosphere is needed and if he comes, Whopper needs a place to have a beer
I went to Fordham but spent many an hour on the barstools there. Atmosphere gentlemen. :)
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Imagine we end up with Slice, Matt A and Grasso? Talk about some bench strength when it comes to recruiting? I would think Grasso jumps at the opportunity if the pay is better. Cluess isn't getting a bigger job this offseason, so it isn't like Grasso will have a chance to be the assistant head coach at a larger program, or have a chance to become the lead dog at Iona this year, which is what guys like Baldi and some of my Iona friends have said would happen if Cluess went to a bigger program.
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By the way, to answer Wods question, Grasso currently serves as Associate Head Coach in addition to being the Gaels' recruiting coordinator. So that would give us two former Associate Head Coaches on the staff, if both come to fruition. Much more than just "recruiters" even if that is their forte.
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Imagine we end up with Slice, Matt A and Grasso? Talk about some bench strength when it comes to recruiting? I would think Grasso jumps at the opportunity if the pay is better. Cluess isn't getting a bigger job this offseason, so it isn't like Grasso will have a chance to be the assistant head coach at a larger program, or have a chance to become the lead dog at Iona this year, which is what guys like Baldi and some of my Iona friends have said would happen if Cluess went to a bigger program.
Don't think they would go with three recruiters. Pretty sure Pinkney will come aboard in addition to Slice. If not Slice, then Grasso in my opinion.
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By the way, to answer Wods question, Grasso currently serves as Associate Head Coach in addition to being the Gaels' recruiting coordinator. So that would give us two former Associate Head Coaches on the staff, if both come to fruition. Much more than just "recruiters" even if that is their forte.
Two former head coaches on the staff too.
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You are probably right Paultz. That is what I've thought all along. Threw that notion out there in response to the post above from someone who said that he heard that Grasso has accepted. Would mean that Slice is a definite "no" which I don't believe is the case right now. So something would have to give.
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Paultz does Ketucky
Paultz does a Kentucky win or loss influence Slice decision
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Paultz does Ketucky
Paultz does a Kentucky win or loss influence Slice decision
Only he knows
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relax boys, slice will come if his wife nags him enough and he misses the Italian
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As I said earlier in the week I've been hearing rumbles of Grasso. But the fact it hasn't been announced yet shows me there waiting to hear from slice
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Well we will know sooner then later.
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Is Grasso an X and O guy?
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As I said earlier in the week I've been hearing rumbles of Grasso. But the fact it hasn't been announced yet shows me there waiting to hear from slice
Yup
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@BrandonTierney: As for Slice...personally, I believe he jumps to St. John's...we'll find out shortly.
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that would be awesome!!
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Slice has nothing to prove at UK. He gets lost there. At SJU he will probably make at least as much money, be home in NYC, and have a chance to actually help build a program. UK sells itself. I bet he comes home...
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By the way, to answer Wods question, Grasso currently serves as Associate Head Coach in addition to being the Gaels' recruiting coordinator. So that would give us two former Associate Head Coaches on the staff, if both come to fruition. Much more than just "recruiters" even if that is their forte.
Two former head coaches on the staff too.
The question I would have were they 2 good head coaches and will they provide guidance in that capacity in Chris first few years. Experience is can be both good and bad.
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I hope the situation with Slice is resolved soon, and to the benefit of SJU.
Seeing all the posts from Paultzman with those slices of pizza is killing me. Dave, that is just cruelty to those of us not living in good pizza locations.
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In reference to slice
Joe Arbitello @ctkcoachjarbs 18h18 hours ago
@JoeRGannascoli lmao it's true. Guy is great at what he does. Heard he may be coming home soon.
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In reference to sliceIn reference to slice
Joe Arbitello @ctkcoachjarbs 18h18 hours ago
@JoeRGannascoli lmao it's true. Guy is great at what he does. Heard he may be coming home soon.
Joe Arbitello @ctkcoachjarbs 18h18 hours ago
@JoeRGannascoli lmao it's true. Guy is great at what he does. Heard he may be coming home soon.
If a Soprano says so it must be true.
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Jeff Goodman @GoodmanESPN · 35m35 minutes ago
With all the NBA guys hired recently, a guy college athletic directors need to look at is Ed Pinckney. Was a relentless recruiter at Nova.
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Should Grasso get the gig, it will be 3x the salary.
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Should Grasso get the gig, it will be 3x the salary.
3x his salary? You say that because guys like Pinckney are making more Than they would get at SJ's?
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Should Grasso get the gig, it will be 3x the salary.
3x his salary? You say that because guys like Pinckney are making more Than they would get at SJ's?
I say that because that's what I was told. But I do know Grasso iswearing Iona gear today and on Iona campus. Read between those lines
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Should Grasso get the gig, it will be 3x the salary.
3x his salary? You say that because guys like Pinckney are making more Than they would get at SJ's?
I say that because that's what I was told. But I do know Grasso iswearing Iona gear today and on Iona campus. Read between those lines
I hope so.
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I heard that Slice put his 6 bedroom 3 acre house up for sale in Lexington. Asking price is $67,000. Does someone want to just buy it and move this thing along?
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Should Grasso get the gig, it will be 3x the salary.
3x his salary? You say that because guys like Pinckney are making more Than they would get at SJ's?
I say that because that's what I was told. But I do know Grasso iswearing Iona gear today and on Iona campus. Read between those lines
Comes up aces no matter how you slice it.
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I heard that Slice put his 6 bedroom 3 acre house up for sale in Lexington. Asking price is $67,000. Does someone want to just buy it and move this thing along?
Too funny poison.
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I heard that Slice put his 6 bedroom 3 acre house up for sale in Lexington. Asking price is $67,000. Does someone want to just buy it and move this thing along?
Don't you live in Queens? Nothing wrong with Queens I lived there for a few years. Not exactly amazing either.
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So much chatter
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So much chatter
??
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So much chatter
??
There is no shortage of chatter on whether Coach R. comes east or not. We have two forums here on JJ that seem to be focused on the potential movement of this highly regarded AHC. Then there is Redmen.com and all the newspaper/internet sports "reporters".
It come down to four people really knowing what the outcome will be, Coach R., Mrs. R, Coach Cal, and our own, Coach Mullin. We all just hope we see white smoke coming from the campus of UK. We will never recruit like UK, but I would settle on being the Beast of the East again.
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So much chatter
Seriously. What's the chatter?
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Staying the course.
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Staying the course.
Clever "slice" of info Marco. :)
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So much chatter
Seriously. What's the chatter?
Nothing. What's the chatter with you? :)
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Staying the course.
Baldi getting cryptic all of a sudden lol? Slice staying the course at kentucky? Or info of him headed home is still strong?
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So much chatter
Hahaha that at least made one person laugh.
Seriously. What's the chatter?
Nothing. What's the chatter with you? :)
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I heard that Slice put his 6 bedroom 3 acre house up for sale in Lexington. Asking price is $67,000. Does someone want to just buy it and move this thing along?
Don't you live in Queens? Nothing wrong with Queens I lived there for a few years. Not exactly amazing either.
Queens is a sh*thole. But some guys will just keep knocking places they've never been. Lexington is beautiful.
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So much chatter
Seriously. What's the chatter?
Nothing. What's the chatter with you? :)
Hahaha that at least made one person laugh.
I didn't want to admit it, but I chuckled out loud.
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Rumors of Pecora joining our staff? I was never impressed by him as an x and o guy but I must admit I have not followed his teams that closely.
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Where do we stand on an X and O's assistant? Any combo of Matt , Slice, Grasso would seem to have a nice recruiting foundation.. My concern is with the on court stuff. Helping Mullin manage TO's, draw up plays, manage minutes and foul trouble..
Loved the name PJ when it popped up, but that seemed to have died down.. Thanks
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Slice has been a head coach and an associate head coach. And unlike Lavin, I think our new head man is going to be a lot better on strategy and X's and O's than people seem to think, simply because he never coached before.
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I heard that Slice put his 6 bedroom 3 acre house up for sale in Lexington. Asking price is $67,000. Does someone want to just buy it and move this thing along?
Don't you live in Queens? Nothing wrong with Queens I lived there for a few years. Not exactly amazing either.
Queens is a sh*thole. But some guys will just keep knocking places they've never been. Lexington is beautiful.
Lexington is a boring southern city with nothing to do. Visited for a wedding and spent a few days. It may have 10% of the restaurants of Queens, I doubt it. Ate in several, mediocre. Walked around downtown and thought to myself, "Is this it?" Horse country around Lexington is tremendous but unless you have a large net worth or a big income the horsey deal is not for you. Queens has an unbelievable collection of ethnic restaurants and then there is Brooklyn and Manhattan. Any of 30 neighborhoods in NYC, a good number of which are in Queens, have more to do than Lexington. Yeah, Jamaica and some other areas are awful but queens is far from a Sh....thole. For those of you with a 30M net worth, move to Lexington and buy some horseys. For the rest of us, give me queens or Brooklyn anytime. If you have few Mill buy a plaqce in Forest Hills, better than anything in Lexington. New York baby. I live in Saratoga and it blows Lexington out of the water and, for the rich guys, we have horseys and the best track in the country.
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It's cold in Saratoga in August. Just got to Florida for a few days. Never want to go back to the cold.
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Cold in August in Saratoga? What are you 90 years old?
I know Slice was a head coach... He also failed miserably at it. .. I'd like an associate head coach or top assistant to go along with the stable of recruiters.
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Cold in August in Saratoga? What are you 90 years old?
I know Slice was a head coach... He also failed miserably at it. .. I'd like an associate head coach or top assistant to go along with the stable of recruiters.
There have been plenty of good X's and O's guys who have not done much at the D1 level as head coaches. Rohrssen was just Associate Head Coach on a UK team with 1 loss. Anybody who thinks that he isn't cut out for associate HC here is off their rocker. In addition, our head coach knows a few things about basketball as well.
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Let's land Slice first.. Of course Mullin knows a thing or two about basketball.. Doesn't change the fact he has never coached a game in his life.
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I heard that Slice put his 6 bedroom 3 acre house up for sale in Lexington. Asking price is $67,000. Does someone want to just buy it and move this thing along?
Don't you live in Queens? Nothing wrong with Queens I lived there for a few years. Not exactly amazing either.
Queens is a sh*thole. But some guys will just keep knocking places they've never been. Lexington is beautiful.
Then stay the F out of Queens
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I heard that Slice put his 6 bedroom 3 acre house up for sale in Lexington. Asking price is $67,000. Does someone want to just buy it and move this thing along?
Don't you live in Queens? Nothing wrong with Queens I lived there for a few years. Not exactly amazing either.
Queens is a sh*thole. But some guys will just keep knocking places they've never been. Lexington is beautiful.
Then stay the F out of Queens
always
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Getting a lot of mixed messaging on Slice. I think guys are lacking info and talking out of speculation. Hopefully gonna get it wrapped up sooner than later.
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AUgust in Saratoga, cool nites, warm days, perfect. If you are retired and have the money go south after a white Christmas, way too cold for an old guy.
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Cold in August in Saratoga? What are you 90 years old?
I know Slice was a head coach... He also failed miserably at it. .. I'd like an associate head coach or top assistant to go along with the stable of recruiters.
It's cold in Saratoga in August. Just got to Florida for a few days. Never want to go back to the cold.
either you are on a megadose of blood thinners or you are from the most extreme heat part of India
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Heard it's looking like Pecora/Grasso/Matt A/ Mitch Richmond. Lip not letting Slice go without a fight.
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Heard it's looking like Pecora/Grasso/Matt A/ Mitch Richmond. Lip not letting Slice go without a fight.
I can live with that.
I'll say this though. If Slice doesn't come I NEVER want to hear his name mentioned for a position at SJU ever again.
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Heard it's looking like Pecora/Grasso/Matt A/ Mitch Richmond. Lip not letting Slice go without a fight.
that's a very respectable staff - 2 HOFers
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Heard it's looking like Pecora/Grasso/Matt A/ Mitch Richmond. Lip not letting Slice go without a fight.
Yikes!! I know this isn't the popular opinion around here but I haven't taken the leap of mullin faith yet. Being that he has never coached a game in his life I, like a lot of national college basketball pundits, told myself that his staff hires would be the ultimate deciding factor in grading this hire. Mullin needs to surround himself with proven recruiters and guys with good head coaching experience. Mitch Richmond is a hall of famer, great, but still never coached and is a question mark. Pecora is an under 500 career guy and I'm sure I need not explain why this isn't the "good head coaching experience" I feel we need. Grasso and matt a are good hires. A lot of potential but let's not kid ourselves they aren't proven at the level slice is. Slice is good friends with mullin, people have said he wants to come home, with the stars aligned like this if we would strike out I'd be very disappointed and in my mind it would set up the new regime with a lot more questions than answers. Slice is a top recruiter in the country! He's the guy that changes this staff from "well, there's potential, they could be good" to excellent right out of the gate. With this recruiting class being of the utmost importance for the future of this program, and the new hc, his absence would be troubling to me.
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Shaun I hear you but Slice is getting paid handsomely at probably the best hoops school in the country right now. Totally understandable as to why he might not want to make the jump. If he was anywhere else except maybe Duke I think he'd be ours. But KY has that pull that it is hard to beat sometimes.
Pecora is intersting because that big SJU fan on Twitter who loves the school and Mullin absolutely hates Pecora. His Twitter actions are going to be an intersting follow if this plays out as some suggest.
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The problem is not getting Pecora or grasso instead of slice. Our problem is that we're trying to piece together a recruiting class at the 11th hour.
We shouldn't expect miracles.
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would pecora bring paschall ?
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You guys are always good for a laugh each night.
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Re: Pecora, Fordham?
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Pecora and Grasso on same staff?
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They didn't end well at Fordham I take it?
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Pecora and Grasso on same staff?
Don't see this happening. Would be fine with taking one of these guys but both of them? Doesn't make a ton of sense. I think people are jumping the gun on some of these names. Let's let us play out a bit.
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Heard it's looking like Pecora/Grasso/Matt A/ Mitch Richmond. Lip not letting Slice go without a fight.
Yikes!! I know this isn't the popular opinion around here but I haven't taken the leap of mullin faith yet. Being that he has never coached a game in his life I, like a lot of national college basketball pundits, told myself that his staff hires would be the ultimate deciding factor in grading this hire. Mullin needs to surround himself with proven recruiters and guys with good head coaching experience. Mitch Richmond is a hall of famer, great, but still never coached and is a question mark. Pecora is an under 500 career guy and I'm sure I need not explain why this isn't the "good head coaching experience" I feel we need. Grasso and matt a are good hires. A lot of potential but let's not kid ourselves they aren't proven at the level slice is. Slice is good friends with mullin, people have said he wants to come home, with the stars aligned like this if we would strike out I'd be very disappointed and in my mind it would set up the new regime with a lot more questions than answers. Slice is a top recruiter in the country! He's the guy that changes this staff from "well, there's potential, they could be good" to excellent right out of the gate. With this recruiting class being of the utmost importance for the future of this program, and the new hc, his absence would be troubling to me.
Yeah, you make some interesting points, and some that are maybe a bit misplaced. Sure, Slice is the man, we want Slice, et c. Mullin not having HC experience & waiting to see the staff before assessing with some sort of finality the Mullin hire before any games are played? That's unwise.
Lavin was a long time veteran coach. Mullin has already gone out & offered tons of local kids, & he'll get some of them. He just started recruiting, inexperienced, all that. He has done more recruiting than Lavin in the last 2-3 years. I mean, how many offers did Lavin even extend to kids outside of the 2015 class? This is an example of Mullin knowing a lot more about basketball than Lavin, and applying it, w/o head coaching exp.
Questioning Mitch Rich, absolute basketball god, is also kinda shaky. Every coach got his start somewhere. When you are Chris Mullin or Larry Bird or Wayne Gretzky the rules are different for you. Jason Kidd. Steve Kerr. Kerr was not even in the same sentence as MUllin as a pro and he had pro teams lining up to offer him jobs. If Mitch Rich wants his start here, & Mullin likes it, then that's that. We're lucky to get him. What kid or dad would not be absolutely floored that Mitch Rich of Run TMC is coming to watch their kid, mentor their kid, and such?
Mitch Rich is a great get if we get him. Pecora is garbage & that's that. Worrying about him being here is very premature. Suggesting that Mullin needs a Tom Pecora to manage a game? Come on, man. FN Lavin would be a better bench coach than Pecora. I am sure that if we don't get Slice, we will get the very best people available. The staff is huge, huge hires, but to sit here a week after the Mullin hire and be like, 'Mullin's staff won't be good enough....
Probably Matt & Mullin have a very good idea of what to do if no Slice, & probably we are counting Slice out prematurely too. Let's see how it plays out. But yo, if Matt rolls up on a HS gym to see a kid, or to his home, with Mullin & Mitch Rich, you think ppl are gonna say 'wait! No Rohrrsen? WTF?'
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Heard it's looking like Pecora/Grasso/Matt A/ Mitch Richmond. Lip not letting Slice go without a fight.
Yikes!! I know this isn't the popular opinion around here but I haven't taken the leap of mullin faith yet. Being that he has never coached a game in his life I, like a lot of national college basketball pundits, told myself that his staff hires would be the ultimate deciding factor in grading this hire. Mullin needs to surround himself with proven recruiters and guys with good head coaching experience. Mitch Richmond is a hall of famer, great, but still never coached and is a question mark. Pecora is an under 500 career guy and I'm sure I need not explain why this isn't the "good head coaching experience" I feel we need. Grasso and matt a are good hires. A lot of potential but let's not kid ourselves they aren't proven at the level slice is. Slice is good friends with mullin, people have said he wants to come home, with the stars aligned like this if we would strike out I'd be very disappointed and in my mind it would set up the new regime with a lot more questions than answers. Slice is a top recruiter in the country! He's the guy that changes this staff from "well, there's potential, they could be good" to excellent right out of the gate. With this recruiting class being of the utmost importance for the future of this program, and the new hc, his absence would be troubling to me.
Yeah, you make some interesting points, and some that are maybe a bit misplaced. Sure, Slice is the man, we want Slice, et c. Mullin not having HC experience & waiting to see the staff before assessing with some sort of finality the Mullin hire before any games are played? That's unwise.
Lavin was a long time veteran coach. Mullin has already gone out & offered tons of local kids, & he'll get some of them. He just started recruiting, inexperienced, all that. He has done more recruiting than Lavin in the last 2-3 years. I mean, how many offers did Lavin even extend to kids outside of the 2015 class? This is an example of Mullin knowing a lot more about basketball than Lavin, and applying it, w/o head coaching exp.
Questioning Mitch Rich, absolute basketball god, is also kinda shaky. Every coach got his start somewhere. When you are Chris Mullin or Larry Bird or Wayne Gretzky the rules are different for you. Jason Kidd. Steve Kerr. Kerr was not even in the same sentence as MUllin as a pro and he had pro teams lining up to offer him jobs. If Mitch Rich wants his start here, & Mullin likes it, then that's that. We're lucky to get him. What kid or dad would not be absolutely floored that Mitch Rich of Run TMC is coming to watch their kid, mentor their kid, and such?
Mitch Rich is a great get if we get him. Pecora is garbage & that's that. Worrying about him being here is very premature. Suggesting that Mullin needs a Tom Pecora to manage a game? Come on, man. FN Lavin would be a better bench coach than Pecora. I am sure that if we don't get Slice, we will get the very best people available. The staff is huge, huge hires, but to sit here a week after the Mullin hire and be like, 'Mullin's staff won't be good enough....
Probably Matt & Mullin have a very good idea of what to do if no Slice, & probably we are counting Slice out prematurely too. Let's see how it plays out. But yo, if Matt rolls up on a HS gym to see a kid, or to his home, with Mullin & Mitch Rich, you think ppl are gonna say 'wait! No Rohrrsen? WTF?'
Agree completely on Pecora, not someone we need on several levels.
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What's so bad about Pecora as an assistant or DOBO?
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rumor on redmen.com...that slice will be on campus today for meeting....anyone know?
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Ky radio guy;
@KySportsRadio: Hearing UK Asst Slice Rohrssen is considering joining his friend Chris Mullin at St John's. No decision made yet. Hope he stays...great dude
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Today or Tomorrow
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For a decision or for a positive decision?
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Re: Slice and Pecora - I'd think there is some value to having a coach who has gone through numerous cycles as a head coach and has had to adjust to different "surprise" situations as a HC would help shape Mullin's priority list from day-to-day and month to month. I think those nuances - especially to college - will be an adjustment.
That speaks more towards Pecora. But I think Pecora is a very unremarkable coach. His best skill was getting three really good players at Hofstra and riding them for 2-3 seasons. If someone can tell me what he's particularly good at, I'm all ears.
Slice would be interesting. But isn't that doubling down on the recruiting acumen? Not that it's a bad thing, but just pointing that out.
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@PittPantherBlog: Rumors fly that former Pitt asst. Barry Rohrssen could leave Kentucky, writes @AnsonWhaley http://t.co/KI3jbK45U1 http://t.co/qK13TDGCPd
:D
This article is a few days old. Nothing really new.
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What's so bad about Pecora as an assistant or DOBO?
BC Pecora is delusional. He had the gall to be insulted that he did not get the HC gig when Lavin got it. He made that FN stupid speech to his players in 2012, remember that? "They didn't want you & they didn't want me...LOL. Of course we didn't want him/them. We are St. John's. And we are still St. John's, and not in need of some whack coach who prefers grandstanding to rolling his sleeves up. Let Pecora be Lavin's next DOBO or whatever in 2 years when he resurfaces at some Cali school.
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Don't think that speech was stupid. That's what I would have said. If I remember correctly it worked. He did well at Hofstra, I don't understand how that can be a negative.
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i hope we have a lot of diversity on the staff
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i hope we have a lot of diversity on the staff
In what sense..?
I want the guys on the bench that are going to give SJU the best chance to win and continually give SJU the best chance to get great players.
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i agree...I think balance and different perspectives are important.....so to answer in what sense? in all senses or as many as possible.....I think Coach Mullin referred to this at his opening press conference.
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Don't think that speech was stupid. That's what I would have said. If I remember correctly it worked. He did well at Hofstra, I don't understand how that can be a negative.
Perhaps the game passed him by since then? He's been terrible of late & was never really that good. IDK, maybe the problem I had with the speech was the way it was covered. It struck me as douche heavy. Us not wanting them is the way of the world. So obvious, et c.
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Don't think that speech was stupid. That's what I would have said. If I remember correctly it worked. He did well at Hofstra, I don't understand how that can be a negative.
Perhaps the game passed him by since then? He's been terrible of late & was never really that good. IDK, maybe the problem I had with the speech was the way it was covered. It struck me as douche heavy. Us not wanting them is the way of the world. So obvious, et c.
What coach has done well at Fordham?
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What's so bad about Pecora as an assistant or DOBO?
BC Pecora is delusional. He had the gall to be insulted that he did not get the HC gig when Lavin got it. He made that FN stupid speech to his players in 2012, remember that? "They didn't want you & they didn't want me...LOL. Of course we didn't want him/them. We are St. John's. And we are still St. John's, and not in need of some whack coach who prefers grandstanding to rolling his sleeves up. Let Pecora be Lavin's next DOBO or whatever in 2 years when he resurfaces at some Cali school.
Every local coach tells his players that St.John's didn't want them. I don't think Pecora would have been a good hire here, but he wouldn't have been the worst hire either. A genius he isn't, but I think he has shown the ability to evaluate talent at Hofstra, but not so much at Fordham. His stock has fallen dramatically. Fordham is a major reason why. That program skipped several levels to play in the A10, when they had no business being anywhere higher than the MAAC.
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What's so bad about Pecora as an assistant or DOBO?
BC Pecora is delusional. He had the gall to be insulted that he did not get the HC gig when Lavin got it. He made that FN stupid speech to his players in 2012, remember that? "They didn't want you & they didn't want me...LOL. Of course we didn't want him/them. We are St. John's. And we are still St. John's, and not in need of some whack coach who prefers grandstanding to rolling his sleeves up. Let Pecora be Lavin's next DOBO or whatever in 2 years when he resurfaces at some Cali school.
Every local coach tells his players that St.John's didn't want them. I don't think Pecora would have been a good hire here, but he wouldn't have been the worst hire either. A genius he isn't, but I think he has shown the ability to evaluate talent at Hofstra, but not so much at Fordham. His stock has fallen dramatically. Fordham is a major reason why. That program skipped several levels to play in the A10, when they had no business being anywhere higher than the MAAC.
He did land Mr NY Jon Severe and Eric Paschal, who is now looking to transfer to some top 10 schools. Athletic dept, facilities and administration is the problem at Fordham
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Don't think that speech was stupid. That's what I would have said. If I remember correctly it worked. He did well at Hofstra, I don't understand how that can be a negative.
Perhaps the game passed him by since then? He's been terrible of late & was never really that good. IDK, maybe the problem I had with the speech was the way it was covered. It struck me as douche heavy. Us not wanting them is the way of the world. So obvious, et c.
What coach has done well at Fordham?
Don't care. Don't want him. Don't like him.
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Don't think that speech was stupid. That's what I would have said. If I remember correctly it worked. He did well at Hofstra, I don't understand how that can be a negative.
Perhaps the game passed him by since then? He's been terrible of late & was never really that good. IDK, maybe the problem I had with the speech was the way it was covered. It struck me as douche heavy. Us not wanting them is the way of the world. So obvious, et c.
What coach has done well at Fordham?
Don't care. Don't want him. Don't like him.
What really matters is how the city's basketball community feels about him.
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Don't think that speech was stupid. That's what I would have said. If I remember correctly it worked. He did well at Hofstra, I don't understand how that can be a negative.
When we coached at the CAA level, he did a good job. Credit where it's due. Many coaches, like Tom, move up a level or two, and they are in over their heads. I don't think it means he's a complete nice person. It just means that he's probably not a future star.
I thought he did a great job at Hofstra, and he actually coached them during their best season (in 04-05 they won 28 games, and really got hosed by the committee that year), despite Jay Wright taking them to the tournament in 2000.
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Poison, do you want Pecora? Thanks.
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Maybe I don't know as much about pecora as some of you guys. Those Hofstra teams killed us. At the time they seemed well coached. He has head coaching experience. Mullin has none. It seems like a good choice to me.
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Poison, do you want Pecora? Thanks.
Not particularly no, but I'm not as tuned into the NYC hoops scene as other people. Hopefully, those other people work at St.John's. My point was only that Pecora is looked at on this board as a total failure. He's not. Even Norm found a new home.
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Poison, do you want Pecora? Thanks.
Not particularly no, but I'm not as tuned into the NYC hoops scene as other people. Hopefully, those other people work at St.John's. My point was only that Pecora is looked at on this board as a total failure. He's not. Even Norm found a new home.
There is a lot more to the success or failure of a coach than his "coaching ability". They all know their X's and O's, (yes even Lavin) but just like anything else, some are better teachers than others. Some are better talent evaluators and are better adapted at putting players in position where they can succeed. Some coach to a system and will struggle if they don't have the players to fit their system. The better coaches can coach to their personal. At the end of the day though you need talent. Has Coach K ever won with a less talented team? I don't think so. He is a great coach, but even he needs talent to win.
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Poison, do you want Pecora? Thanks.
Not particularly no, but I'm not as tuned into the NYC hoops scene as other people. Hopefully, those other people work at St.John's. My point was only that Pecora is looked at on this board as a total failure. He's not. Even Norm found a new home.
He's neither total failure or wild success. He's probably an upgrade, honestly, over previous staff. That said, we don't want him.
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Poison, do you want Pecora? Thanks.
Not particularly no, but I'm not as tuned into the NYC hoops scene as other people. Hopefully, those other people work at St.John's. My point was only that Pecora is looked at on this board as a total failure. He's not. Even Norm found a new home.
He's neither total failure or wild success. He's probably an upgrade, honestly, over previous staff. That said, we don't want him.
It's not what "we want", it's what Chris wants is you allow him the opportunity.
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Poison, do you want Pecora? Thanks.
Not particularly no, but I'm not as tuned into the NYC hoops scene as other people. Hopefully, those other people work at St.John's. My point was only that Pecora is looked at on this board as a total failure. He's not. Even Norm found a new home.
He's neither total failure or wild success. He's probably an upgrade, honestly, over previous staff. That said, we don't want him.
In terms of the previous staff, we don't know who was responsible for recruiting, guards, sets, conditioning etc. It seems like they were all pretty lazy, but for all we know, one guy worked hard, and the rest were lazy. What we do know is that by and large, recruiting was executed carelessly, and that the staff didn't focus much on NYC talent.
Pecora, in the past, has recruited players that would have been All BE players. Not a lot of them, but he has. It's a combination of where he was, and who he and his staff discovered. I'm not for or against him at the moment, but you seem to have a serious problem with him. Why?
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Don't think that speech was stupid. That's what I would have said. If I remember correctly it worked. He did well at Hofstra, I don't understand how that can be a negative.
Perhaps the game passed him by since then? He's been terrible of late & was never really that good. IDK, maybe the problem I had with the speech was the way it was covered. It struck me as douche heavy. Us not wanting them is the way of the world. So obvious, et c.
Voltaire what possessed you to choose this screen name ?
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Poison, do you want Pecora? Thanks.
Not particularly no, but I'm not as tuned into the NYC hoops scene as other people. Hopefully, those other people work at St.John's. My point was only that Pecora is looked at on this board as a total failure. He's not. Even Norm found a new home.
He's neither total failure or wild success. He's probably an upgrade, honestly, over previous staff. That said, we don't want him.
I don't think he's an upgrade over Lavin. I think a lot of people saw Norm, and then saw Tom Pecora, and were envious of his success. From 03-04 to 06-07, Hofstra owned our asses, and he was the reason why. Being better than a complete nice person isn't a reason to hire someone.
Then again, it was for Fordham.
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Hofstra had hard working assistants first under Wright, then under Pec, who landed difference makers like Agudio. Remember that they had commitments for Halil K and Chazz Williams prior to leaving for Fordham.
TP used to be hungry but has alienated supporters in recent years. All things considered, I'd be disappointed if he is hired.
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Poison, do you want Pecora? Thanks.
Not particularly no, but I'm not as tuned into the NYC hoops scene as other people. Hopefully, those other people work at St.John's. My point was only that Pecora is looked at on this board as a total failure. He's not. Even Norm found a new home.
He's neither total failure or wild success. He's probably an upgrade, honestly, over previous staff. That said, we don't want him.
In terms of the previous staff, we don't know who was responsible for recruiting, guards, sets, conditioning etc. It seems like they were all pretty lazy, but for all we know, one guy worked hard, and the rest were lazy. What we do know is that by and large, recruiting was executed carelessly, and that the staff didn't focus much on NYC talent.
Pecora, in the past, has recruited players that would have been All BE players. Not a lot of them, but he has. It's a combination of where he was, and who he and his staff discovered. I'm not for or against him at the moment, but you seem to have a serious problem with him. Why?
When I said upgrade, I was referring to not Lavin as HC but Pecora corresponding to Lavin's lead asst, as he would be for Mullin.
I feel like TP is a long time HC, not a Rohrrsen type. Slice would presumably do the same job here as @ UK. I view that as an advantage for Slice & disadvantage for TP.
I don't want a guy coming off a 5-6 win season either, or whatever it was. I want the very best staff available.
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Normally I take 1 of 2 screen names: crackbillionair or francois arouet.
I identify with Voltaire. Funny, smart, had balls & convictions.
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Poison, do you want Pecora? Thanks.
Not particularly no, but I'm not as tuned into the NYC hoops scene as other people. Hopefully, those other people work at St.John's. My point was only that Pecora is looked at on this board as a total failure. He's not. Even Norm found a new home.
He's neither total failure or wild success. He's probably an upgrade, honestly, over previous staff. That said, we don't want him.
In terms of the previous staff, we don't know who was responsible for recruiting, guards, sets, conditioning etc. It seems like they were all pretty lazy, but for all we know, one guy worked hard, and the rest were lazy. What we do know is that by and large, recruiting was executed carelessly, and that the staff didn't focus much on NYC talent.
Pecora, in the past, has recruited players that would have been All BE players. Not a lot of them, but he has. It's a combination of where he was, and who he and his staff discovered. I'm not for or against him at the moment, but you seem to have a serious problem with him. Why?
When I said upgrade, I was referring to not Lavin as HC but Pecora corresponding to Lavin's lead asst, as he would be for Mullin.
I feel like TP is a long time HC, not a Rohrrsen type. Slice would presumably do the same job here as @ UK. I view that as an advantage for Slice & disadvantage for TP.
I don't want a guy coming off a 5-6 win season either, or whatever it was. I want the very best staff available.
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Normally I take 1 of 2 screen names: crackbillionair or francois arouet.
I identify with Voltaire. Funny, smart, had balls & convictions.
I hear that. A former head coach of 10+ years isn't likely to be going out on the recruiting trail and hustling for someone else's program.
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Via Zags, guess which one is Monasch
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CCG51cAWMAEx926.jpg)
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Turn on MSG. Mullin is with Jill Martin at the half. Good shots of Matt A. on the phone.
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Turn on MSG. Mullin is with Jill Martin at the half. Good shots of Matt A. on the phone.
setting up the next commit announcement
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I'll tell you one thing. Mullin can't be pleased W ADRs weight loss, conditioning after a year w the team.
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I'll tell you one thing. Mullin can't be pleased W ADRs weight loss, conditioning after a year w the team.
It's amazing that a basketball player could have no regard for his health. He looks like a member of the Fat Boys.
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Turn on MSG. Mullin is with Jill Martin at the half. Good shots of Matt A. on the phone.
What did he say? I was at a bar with a few friends with no tv sound.
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The AZ Republic is reporting that Bobby Hurley is ASU's lead HC candidate, now that Jeff C. has decided he would rather remain at Duke. The announcement may be made early next week. Maybe Jeff felt he would rather be an AHC for a winner than struggle with another team.
I am glad we went for Coach Mullin over either of the Hurley brothers just based on the excitement these past two weeks. While we do not know yet how the games will be played out, the recruiting atmosphere has been great.
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The AZ Republic is reporting that Bobby Hurley is ASU's lead HC candidate, now that Jeff C. has decided he would rather remain at Duke. The announcement may be made early next week. Maybe Jeff felt he would rather be an AHC for a winner than struggle with another team.
I am glad we went for Coach Mullin over either of the Hurley brothers just based on the excitement these past two weeks. While we do not know yet how the games will be played out, the recruiting atmosphere has been great.
How many college coaches are in the NBA hall of fame and a former GM? I think that is a very powerful selling point to high level recruits who aspire to play on the next level. I think players and their handlers, coaches all realize this and we will land our fair share to high level recruits going forward.
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Shaka Smart has his staff set at Texas already within days. It's been over a week and we still only have one assistant with the live period just around the corner...... Should we be anywhat concerned?
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Shaka Smart has his staff set at Texas already within days. It's been over a week and we still only have one assistant with the live period just around the corner...... Should we be anywhat concerned?
No
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Shaka was already in the game and just moved arenas....like Rick Barnes.....in a week we've made amazing progress....and Slice is imminent......annoucnement(s) coming soon....very soon. I think.
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Shaka Smart has his staff set at Texas already within days. It's been over a week and we still only have one assistant with the live period just around the corner...... Should we be anywhat concerned?
Texas has a lot more money and resources than SJU
Remember 5 years ago it was into June before Dunlap was hired.
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Shaka Smart has his staff set at Texas already within days. It's been over a week and we still only have one assistant with the live period just around the corner...... Should we be anywhat concerned?
Texas has a lot more money and resources than SJU
Remember 5 years ago it was into June before Dunlap was hired.
Agreed but more importantly certain things happen that delay things.
Remember Dunlap was an assistant with Ernie Kent at Oregon in 2010 when Kent was fired. Dunlap was asked to stay on before the next hire and help oversee things and he himself was a candidate having interviewed. Plus he was under contract for another year that only could be enforced if he got the head job.
Oregon hired Dana Altman but then the Colorado job opened after Jeff Bzdelik left for Wake. That job Dunlap coveted. He ended up losing that job to Tad Boyle of N Colorado.
That took you into May. I believe he was hired a few weeks before they formally announced it.
The only issue of course is that in 2010 these April Evaluation Periods were not on the calendar.
So it would be nice to get Slice in by this weekend.
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Shaka Smart has his staff set at Texas already within days. It's been over a week and we still only have one assistant with the live period just around the corner...... Should we be anywhat concerned?
Texas has a lot more money and resources than SJU
Remember 5 years ago it was into June before Dunlap was hired.
Agreed but more importantly certain things happen that delay things.
Remember Dunlap was an assistant with Ernie Kent at Oregon in 2010 when Kent was fired. Dunlap was asked to stay on before the next hire and help oversee things and he himself was a candidate having interviewed. Plus he was under contract for another year that only could be enforced if he got the head job.
Oregon hired Dana Altman but then the Colorado job opened after Jeff Bzdelik left for Wake. That job Dunlap coveted. He ended up losing that job to Tad Boyle of N Colorado.
That took you into May. I believe he was hired a few weeks before they formally announced it.
The only issue of course is that in 2010 these April Evaluation Periods were not on the calendar.
So it would be nice to get Slice in by this weekend.
All of what you mentioned was right but big issue last time was Dunlap and Hicks were brought on once the fiscal year changed for SJU
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Shaka was already in the game and just moved arenas....like Rick Barnes.....in a week we've made amazing progress....and Slice is imminent......annoucnement(s) coming soon....very soon. I think.
Again, how do we know this? What is your source? I wish I was so sure. In fact, since I have heard nothing about Slice in the media, I have to think we are not getting him.
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Shaka was already in the game and just moved arenas....like Rick Barnes.....in a week we've made amazing progress....and Slice is imminent......annoucnement(s) coming soon....very soon. I think.
Again, how do we know this? What is your source? I wish I was so sure. In fact, since I have heard nothing about Slice in the media, I have to think we are not getting him.
Patience! Marco said it's a done deal.
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Shaka was already in the game and just moved arenas....like Rick Barnes.....in a week we've made amazing progress....and Slice is imminent......annoucnement(s) coming soon....very soon. I think.
Again, how do we know this? What is your source? I wish I was so sure. In fact, since I have heard nothing about Slice in the media, I have to think we are not getting him.
The guys team was still playing less then a week ago. He just doesn't show up and start coaching. He has responsibilities with his current job and then has to negotiate with St. John's on a new contract which isn't always easy either. It's been like 5 days since Kentucky last played and you act like it's been months and we haven't heard anything. Relax and let it play out, you will have your answers soon enough
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Shaka was already in the game and just moved arenas....like Rick Barnes.....in a week we've made amazing progress....and Slice is imminent......annoucnement(s) coming soon....very soon. I think.
Again, how do we know this? What is your source? I wish I was so sure. In fact, since I have heard nothing about Slice in the media, I have to think we are not getting him.
I think the fact we haven't hired anyone else is a strong indication that we are waiting on Slice.
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Shaka was already in the game and just moved arenas....like Rick Barnes.....in a week we've made amazing progress....and Slice is imminent......annoucnement(s) coming soon....very soon. I think.
Again, how do we know this? What is your source? I wish I was so sure. In fact, since I have heard nothing about Slice in the media, I have to think we are not getting him.
I think the fact we haven't hired anyone else is a strong indication that we are waiting on Slice.
As Clyde would say, "The fascination with Slice anticipation is causing palpitations in Johnny Jungle nation." :2funny:
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Shaka was already in the game and just moved arenas....like Rick Barnes.....in a week we've made amazing progress....and Slice is imminent......annoucnement(s) coming soon....very soon. I think.
Again, how do we know this? What is your source? I wish I was so sure. In fact, since I have heard nothing about Slice in the media, I have to think we are not getting him.
I think the fact we haven't hired anyone else is a strong indication that we are waiting on Slice.
As Clyde would say, "The fascination with Slice anticipation is causing palpitations in Johnny Jungle nation." :2funny:
What he said.
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Still thinking the last assistant spot is for Ed Pinckney
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And Mitch as dobo baldi?
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seems like Terence is the DOBO
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And Mitch as dobo baldi?
Would be nice
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Still thinking the last assistant spot is for Ed Pinckney
He's "thinking about it."
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Still thinking the last assistant spot is for Ed Pinckney
He's "thinking about it."
Guess we won't know until the Bulls are done. Maybe 96 schemerhorn street knows?
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One of the articles I read today - think from Zags - said that T Mullin was out recruiting for us with Chris and Matt A. Means he has to be involved to some extent, right? Unless article was incorrect (and we know that never happens lol).
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@NYPost_Brazille: “Chris Mullin made two hires that he needed to make" Chris Mullin's choices getting rave reviews: http://t.co/uKohmwWRWU #sjubb
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Go hire Norm from KU, that way Diallo will have no choice but to stay!
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seems like Terence is the DOBO
I don't think so. Terence has to be an assistant coach if he's going off campus to recruit/scout. Someone confirm that it is a DoBO limitation.
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http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/college/mullin-expected-add-rohrssen-st-john-hoops-staff-article-1.2182838
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seems like Terence is the DOBO
I don't think so. Terence has to be an assistant coach if he's going off campus to recruit/scout. Someone confirm that it is a DoBO limitation.
Only a limitation if the staff is full and have 4 guys on the road. So a DOBO can go out recruiting as long as there isn't 4 others out at the same time.
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seems like Terence is the DOBO
I don't think so. Terence has to be an assistant coach if he's going off campus to recruit/scout. Someone confirm that it is a DoBO limitation.
Only a limitation if the staff is full and have 4 guys on the road. So a DOBO can go out recruiting as long as there isn't 4 others out at the same time.
Thank you for clarifying. So there might be another assistant named, or might be a DoBO named and Terence will be the third AC.
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One of the articles I read today - think from Zags - said that T Mullin was out recruiting for us with Chris and Matt A. Means he has to be involved to some extent, right? Unless article was incorrect (and we know that never happens lol).
Not necessarily. He is "helping out." He has no official position on the staff currently and he may never have one when it is finalized. As long as you clear it with the NCAA Compliance non-recruiting coaches including administrative persons and even "temporary persons" can be "deputized" to recruit temporarily if the main positions still need to be filled. Usually those people are already administrative (non recruiting members) members of the staff such as the DOBO. However because Coach has not filled most positions including administrative there really isn't someone else so he asked his brother. But again that does not mean Terence will have any position in the future.
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Maybe the last 2 staff members are currently employed in the NBA
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One of the articles I read today - think from Zags - said that T Mullin was out recruiting for us with Chris and Matt A. Means he has to be involved to some extent, right? Unless article was incorrect (and we know that never happens lol).
Not necessarily. He is "helping out." He has no official position on the staff currently and he may never have one when it is finalized. As long as you clear it with the NCAA Compliance non-recruiting coaches including administrative persons and even "temporary persons" can be "deputized" to recruit temporarily if the main positions still need to be filled. Usually those people are already administrative (non recruiting members) members of the staff such as the DOBO. However because Coach has not filled most positions including administrative there really isn't someone else so he asked his brother. But again that does not mean Terence will have any position in the future.
Further thanks. You all aim to educate - thanks fordham.
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Maybe the last 2 staff members are currently employed in the NBA
...and Mitch is a scout for the Kings
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One of the articles I read today - think from Zags - said that T Mullin was out recruiting for us with Chris and Matt A. Means he has to be involved to some extent, right? Unless article was incorrect (and we know that never happens lol).
Not necessarily. He is "helping out." He has no official position on the staff currently and he may never have one when it is finalized. As long as you clear it with the NCAA Compliance non-recruiting coaches including administrative persons and even "temporary persons" can be "deputized" to recruit temporarily if the main positions still need to be filled. Usually those people are already administrative (non recruiting members) members of the staff such as the DOBO. However because Coach has not filled most positions including administrative there really isn't someone else so he asked his brother. But again that does not mean Terence will have any position in the future.
Further thanks. You all aim to educate - thanks fordham.
Also to be fair this does not just happen with openings, if a HC or a main assistant formerly takes himself out of commission for a period of time (perhaps vacation or injury) you can designate someone else.
For example Jim Boheim takes vacation during July recruiting. He designates his DOBO to be the 4th coach. He didn't resign he just will be with his family on vacation.
Fred Hoiberg will probably be sidelined for a few weeks after surgery, probably will designate his DOBO to go out on the road during his recovery.
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One of the articles I read today - think from Zags - said that T Mullin was out recruiting for us with Chris and Matt A. Means he has to be involved to some extent, right? Unless article was incorrect (and we know that never happens lol).
Not necessarily. He is "helping out." He has no official position on the staff currently and he may never have one when it is finalized. As long as you clear it with the NCAA Compliance non-recruiting coaches including administrative persons and even "temporary persons" can be "deputized" to recruit temporarily if the main positions still need to be filled. Usually those people are already administrative (non recruiting members) members of the staff such as the DOBO. However because Coach has not filled most positions including administrative there really isn't someone else so he asked his brother. But again that does not mean Terence will have any position in the future.
Further thanks. You all aim to educate - thanks fordham.
Also to be fair this does not just happen with openings, if a HC or a main assistant formerly takes himself out of commission for a period of time (perhaps vacation or injury) you can designate someone else.
For example Jim Boheim takes vacation during July recruiting. He designates his DOBO to be the 4th coach. He didn't resign he just will be with his family on vacation.
Fred Hoiberg will probably be sidelined for a few weeks after surgery, probably will designate his DOBO to go out on the road during his recovery.
Great job Fordham. By the way, I saw on the other site earlier that they are wondering why you are here and not there
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Maybe the last 2 staff members are currently employed in the NBA
Yeah that's what I am thinking. One if not both will be from the NBA.
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So who is next? Mitch richmond? Any truth to the Pecora stuff? Not Grasso, right?
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So who is next? Mitch richmond? Any truth to the Pecora stuff? Not Grasso, right?
I have to think that if Grasso was happening, he'd be out with MULLIN and MA
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Win, Win for you Baldi. St. John's gets Slice and thus doesn't make the move for Grasso. And your boy keeps churning at Iona helping to win MAAC titles.
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Win, Win for you Baldi. St. John's gets Slice and thus doesn't make the move for Grasso. And your boy keeps churning at Iona helping to win MAAC titles.
Yes sir. Although I think we are lucky to have Grasso this long. Only a matter of time
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@NJHoopsHaven: If you're going to hire a favorite son, St. John's shows how you do it: Give him every possible resource so he's in a position to succeed.
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One of the articles I read today - think from Zags - said that T Mullin was out recruiting for us with Chris and Matt A. Means he has to be involved to some extent, right? Unless article was incorrect (and we know that never happens lol).
Not necessarily. He is "helping out." He has no official position on the staff currently and he may never have one when it is finalized. As long as you clear it with the NCAA Compliance non-recruiting coaches including administrative persons and even "temporary persons" can be "deputized" to recruit temporarily if the main positions still need to be filled. Usually those people are already administrative (non recruiting members) members of the staff such as the DOBO. However because Coach has not filled most positions including administrative there really isn't someone else so he asked his brother. But again that does not mean Terence will have any position in the future.
Further thanks. You all aim to educate - thanks fordham.
Also to be fair this does not just happen with openings, if a HC or a main assistant formerly takes himself out of commission for a period of time (perhaps vacation or injury) you can designate someone else.
For example Jim Boheim takes vacation during July recruiting. He designates his DOBO to be the 4th coach. He didn't resign he just will be with his family on vacation.
Fred Hoiberg will probably be sidelined for a few weeks after surgery, probably will designate his DOBO to go out on the road during his recovery.
Great job Fordham. By the way, I saw on the other site earlier that they are wondering why you are here and not there
What other site??? LOL!
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@NJHoopsHaven: If you're going to hire a favorite son, St. John's shows how you do it: Give him every possible resource so he's in a position to succeed.
They went all-in compared to before when Coach Lavin was hired. Now Admin's taken off the Patek Philippe, the alligator cowboy boots, pinky ring, gold tooth, pace maker, and thrown it all in ;D
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@NJHoopsHaven: If you're going to hire a favorite son, St. John's shows how you do it: Give him every possible resource so he's in a position to succeed.
They went all-in compared to before when Coach Lavin was hired. Now Admin's taken off the Patek Philippe, the alligator cowboy boots, pinky ring, gold tooth, pace maker, and thrown it all in ;D
Yeah I was a bit worried that the admin wouldn't open the check book for Mullin and staff. Very glad to see I was wrong.
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@NJHoopsHaven: If you're going to hire a favorite son, St. John's shows how you do it: Give him every possible resource so he's in a position to succeed.
They went all-in compared to before when Coach Lavin was hired. Now Admin's taken off the Patek Philippe, the alligator cowboy boots, pinky ring, gold tooth, pace maker, and thrown it all in ;D
Yeah I was a bit worried that the admin wouldn't open the check book for Mullin and staff. Very glad to see I was wrong.
This is so important for the entire school, students, graduates, fans in general. We all want it so bad. Reminds me of growing up rooting for the late 60s, early 70s Yankees. The Mets fans were having all the fun, but the party finally switched locations before my teenage years. (I did root for both teams)
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Mullin on with Boomer and Carton Tom @ 9.
Sure it will be informative and hard hitting.
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Mullin on with Boomer and Carton Tom @ 9.
Sure it will be informative and hard hitting.
It wont be. But it will be important. Getting Mullin out there is great for the program.
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St. John's Media @StJohnsUMedia · 5m5 minutes ago
@StJohnsU Pres. Gempesaw taking in Nets-Bulls game tonite @barclayscenter with @chrismullin17 & his new staff #sjubb
Check the pics nice:
https://twitter.com/hashtag/sjubb?f=realtime
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St. John's Media @StJohnsUMedia · 5m5 minutes ago
@StJohnsU Pres. Gempesaw taking in Nets-Bulls game tonite @barclayscenter with @chrismullin17 & his new staff #sjubb
Check the pics nice:
https://twitter.com/hashtag/sjubb?f=realtime
New President who wants to be at SJU, and understands that hoops is part of SJU soul, tradition, and is part of the fabric of NYC is a beautiful thing. Gempeshaw is complelyely changing SJU inside and out and past, present and future SJU students should be greatful for that...
The guy just gets it...Catching a game with your coach, shows that their in thing together...just freaken awesome!
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St. John's Media @StJohnsUMedia · 5m5 minutes ago
@StJohnsU Pres. Gempesaw taking in Nets-Bulls game tonite @barclayscenter with @chrismullin17 & his new staff #sjubb
Check the pics nice:
https://twitter.com/hashtag/sjubb?f=realtime
Interesting choice of games with Pinkney an AC for the Bulls
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St. John's Media @StJohnsUMedia · 5m5 minutes ago
@StJohnsU Pres. Gempesaw taking in Nets-Bulls game tonite @barclayscenter with @chrismullin17 & his new staff #sjubb
Check the pics nice:
https://twitter.com/hashtag/sjubb?f=realtime
Interesting choice of games with Pinkney an AC for the Bulls
and Wennington doing their play by play
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@franfraschilla: Known Chris Mullin and Barry "Slice" Rohrssen since they were 14. Add Matt Abdelmassih into the mix and you have great recruiting staff.
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St. John's Media @StJohnsUMedia · 5m5 minutes ago
@StJohnsU Pres. Gempesaw taking in Nets-Bulls game tonite @barclayscenter with @chrismullin17 & his new staff #sjubb
Check the pics nice:
https://twitter.com/hashtag/sjubb?f=realtime (https://twitter.com/hashtag/sjubb?f=realtime)
New President who wants to be at SJU, and understands that hoops is part of SJU soul, tradition, and is part of the fabric of NYC is a beautiful thing. Gempeshaw is complelyely changing SJU inside and out and past, present and future SJU students should be greatful for that...
The guy just gets it...Catching a game with your coach, shows that their in thing together...just freaken awesome!
A former ref - it's in his soul already. Perfect hire for us. I repeat UMD Prez Loh - "The athletic programs are the front porch of the university house."
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St. John's Media @StJohnsUMedia · 5m5 minutes ago
@StJohnsU Pres. Gempesaw taking in Nets-Bulls game tonite @barclayscenter with @chrismullin17 & his new staff #sjubb
Check the pics nice:
https://twitter.com/hashtag/sjubb?f=realtime (https://twitter.com/hashtag/sjubb?f=realtime)
New President who wants to be at SJU, and understands that hoops is part of SJU soul, tradition, and is part of the fabric of NYC is a beautiful thing. Gempeshaw is complelyely changing SJU inside and out and past, present and future SJU students should be greatful for that...
The guy just gets it...Catching a game with your coach, shows that their in thing together...just freaken awesome!
A former ref - it's in his soul already. Perfect hire for us. I repeat UMD Prez Loh - "The athletic programs are the front porch of the university house."
Not everything requires a Terrapins reference. We all know you root for two teams. But maybe start a Maryland thread under college sports if you want to share info. Just a thought.
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St. John's Media @StJohnsUMedia · 5m5 minutes ago
@StJohnsU Pres. Gempesaw taking in Nets-Bulls game tonite @barclayscenter with @chrismullin17 & his new staff #sjubb
Check the pics nice:
https://twitter.com/hashtag/sjubb?f=realtime (https://twitter.com/hashtag/sjubb?f=realtime)
New President who wants to be at SJU, and understands that hoops is part of SJU soul, tradition, and is part of the fabric of NYC is a beautiful thing. Gempeshaw is complelyely changing SJU inside and out and past, present and future SJU students should be greatful for that...
The guy just gets it...Catching a game with your coach, shows that their in thing together...just freaken awesome!
A former ref - it's in his soul already. Perfect hire for us. I repeat UMD Prez Loh - "The athletic programs are the front porch of the university house."
Not everything requires a Terrapins reference. We all know you root for two teams. But maybe start a Maryland thread under college sports if you want to share info. Just a thought.
Kind of like you mentioning the no tie all the time. Haha JK
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@NYPost_Brazille: Chris Mullin and Matt Abdelmassih have landed players 6-11, 6-10 and 6-8 in last five days. Not going to be undersized moving forward #sjubb
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St. John’s is hitting NJ even harder than I expected. Some interesting recruiting battles brewing #NJhoops
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@NJHoopsHaven: If you're going to hire a favorite son, St. John's shows how you do it: Give him every possible resource so he's in a position to succeed.
They went all-in compared to before when Coach Lavin was hired. Now Admin's taken off the Patek Philippe, the alligator cowboy boots, pinky ring, gold tooth, pace maker, and thrown it all in ;D
Thought Dunlop made nice coin and they paid an extra salary for his BFF Keady. Maybe a better reference would have been Norm's staff.
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@NJHoopsHaven: If you're going to hire a favorite son, St. John's shows how you do it: Give him every possible resource so he's in a position to succeed.
They went all-in compared to before when Coach Lavin was hired. Now Admin's taken off the Patek Philippe, the alligator cowboy boots, pinky ring, gold tooth, pace maker, and thrown it all in ;D
Thought Dunlop made nice coin and they paid an extra salary for his BFF Keady. Maybe a better reference would have been Norm's staff.
I was trying to say they went all in for Coach Lavin and staff. Having looked at my comment, it is not clear at all. But yes, I was trying to state what you did much better.
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St. John’s is hitting NJ even harder than I expected. Some interesting recruiting battles brewing #NJhoops
I already see the improvement here. They offered Naz Reid in 2018, Trevon Duval in 2017, probably too late to get in on Tyus Battle for 2016. These are all top 20 nationally ranked players in their classes. Temple Gibbs is a stud and Bryce Aiken has a great handle so they may want to look at him as well for pg's in 2016.
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NJ is a hotbed for talent. Recruiting NJ is crucial. This is why Slice is well worth his nice deal. Let's sign the next Karl Towns.
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St. John’s is hitting NJ even harder than I expected. Some interesting recruiting battles brewing #NJhoops
I already see the improvement here. They offered Naz Reid in 2018, Trevon Duval in 2017, probably too late to get in on Tyus Battle for 2016. These are all top 20 nationally ranked players in their classes. Temple Gibbs is a stud and Bryce Aiken has a great handle so they may want to look at him as well for pg's in 2016.
Did the staff offer Duval? Kid is big time and i was hoping they have.
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Jeremy SchneiderVerified account
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St. John’s is hitting NJ even harder than I expected. Some interesting recruiting battles brewing #NJhoops
I already see the improvement here. They offered Naz Reid in 2018, Trevon Duval in 2017, probably too late to get in on Tyus Battle for 2016. These are all top 20 nationally ranked players in their classes. Temple Gibbs is a stud and Bryce Aiken has a great handle so they may want to look at him as well for pg's in 2016.
Did the staff offer Duval? Kid is big time and i was hoping they have.
I don't believe they have extended an offer to him yet. I agree that the kid is going to be big time and he's already been tearing it up on the national AAU circuit this spring.
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Another great interview by Mullin on Boomer and Carton. Interesting note; Carton asked if Mullin will bring back the short shorts. coach responded "Chris Obekpa already has them"
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He and his shorts r definitely back...it's done....
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Source in Bulls organization saying Pinckney to St Johns
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Source in Bulls organization saying Pinckney to St Johns
Wennington ;)
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Hoiberg on the way in
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How's Hoiberg and Pickney
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How's Hoiberg and Pickney
Hoiber to Bulls I meant
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That would take Iowa State out of the mix for Diallo for sure.
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That would take Iowa State out of the mix for Diallo for sure.
Between us and Kentucky
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Kansas.
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Also hearing the Athletic Dept will graduate with the seniors
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Also hearing the Athletic Dept will graduate with the seniors
anyone from the old staff staying?
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Also hearing the Athletic Dept will graduate with the seniors
anyone from the old staff staying?
Linfonte. I believe Monasch will be gone at the end of the school year
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Also hearing the Athletic Dept will graduate with the seniors
anyone from the old staff staying?
Linfonte. I believe Monasch will be gone at the end of the school year
Not surprised. He gets credit I help bringing in Mullin and then "moves on".
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Also hearing the Athletic Dept will graduate with the seniors
anyone from the old staff staying?
Linfonte. I believe Monasch will be gone at the end of the school year
The softball coach going with him?
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Also hearing the Athletic Dept will graduate with the seniors
anyone from the old staff staying?
Linfonte. I believe Monasch will be gone at the end of the school year
The softball coach going with him?
^^^^^^ this
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Pinckney, Terence and Mitch Richmond will all be on staff. Possibly 1 more
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Pinckney, Terence and Mitch Richmond will all be on staff. Possibly 1 more
wow. President G opening up the bank.
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Pinckney, Terence and Mitch Richmond will all be on staff. Possibly 1 more
Now this I would wait until I hear it announced by the school.
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Pinckney, Terence and Mitch Richmond will all be on staff. Possibly 1 more
Now this I would wait until I hear it announced by the school.
Of course. Some sooner than others
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Pinckney, Terence and Mitch Richmond will all be on staff. Possibly 1 more
Now this I would wait until I hear it announced by the school.
Of course. Some sooner than others
Since we have one AC position and DOBO left if four more are coming on board I guess two of them would have to be unpaid volunteer assistants.
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Pinckney, Terence and Mitch Richmond will all be on staff. Possibly 1 more
Now this I would wait until I hear it announced by the school.
Of course. Some sooner than others
Since we have one AC position and DOBO left if four more are coming on board I guess two of them would have to be unpaid volunteer assistants.
Could be special assistants like Keady and Zendon last year.
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Pinckney, Terence and Mitch Richmond will all be on staff. Possibly 1 more
Now this I would wait until I hear it announced by the school.
Of course. Some sooner than others
Since we have one AC position and DOBO left if four more are coming on board I guess two of them would have to be unpaid volunteer assistants.
Could be special assistants like Keady and Zendon last year.
Agreed
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Administrative (non-assistant positions) can be as many as you want and you can call them anything you want.
One position that is used prominently is DOBO, but that is not a requirement. You can call it something else, or you can have 5 people doing that job. Remember the NCAA doesn't regulate how many people can be on your total staff, what they regulate are recruiting assistants.
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Pinckney, Terence and Mitch Richmond will all be on staff. Possibly 1 more
Holy moley pumpkin pie!
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Pinckney, Terence and Mitch Richmond will all be on staff. Possibly 1 more
Holy moley pumpkin pie!
A staff with Mullin, Mitch Richmond, and Pickney would have some pretty impressive resumes as players.
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Administrative (non-assistant positions) can be as many as you want and you can call them anything you want.
One position that is used prominently is DOBO, but that is not a requirement. You can call it something else, or you can have 5 people doing that job. Remember the NCAA doesn't regulate how many people can be on your total staff, what they regulate are recruiting assistants.
They also regulate who can work with players on the court. But you're right, you can have as many people as you want on a "staff". You can call them "video coordinators","assistant video coordinators" , "travel coordinators" etc..
The only thing I would worry about here is "to many cooks spoiling the broth". You bring in Pinckney and Richmond and you have all these basketball people on the staff; it's going to be like the Tower of Babble. And Matt is an important assistant and he is going to be relegated to sitting off to the side, listening to all these NBA guys argue over what they are going to be doing. That's my worry.
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Administrative (non-assistant positions) can be as many as you want and you can call them anything you want.
One position that is used prominently is DOBO, but that is not a requirement. You can call it something else, or you can have 5 people doing that job. Remember the NCAA doesn't regulate how many people can be on your total staff, what they regulate are recruiting assistants.
They also regulate who can work with players on the court. But you're right, you can have as many people as you want on a "staff". You can call them "video coordinators","assistant video coordinators" , "travel coordinators" etc..
The only thing I would worry about here is "to many cooks spoiling the broth". You bring in Pinckney and Richmond and you have all these basketball people on the staff; it's going to be like the Tower of Babble. And Matt is an important assistant and he is going to be relegated to sitting off to the side, listening to all these NBA guys argue over what they are going to be doing. That's my worry.
very true.
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Administrative (non-assistant positions) can be as many as you want and you can call them anything you want.
One position that is used prominently is DOBO, but that is not a requirement. You can call it something else, or you can have 5 people doing that job. Remember the NCAA doesn't regulate how many people can be on your total staff, what they regulate are recruiting assistants.
They also regulate who can work with players on the court. But you're right, you can have as many people as you want on a "staff". You can call them "video coordinators","assistant video coordinators" , "travel coordinators" etc..
The only thing I would worry about here is "to many cooks spoiling the broth". You bring in Pinckney and Richmond and you have all these basketball people on the staff; it's going to be like the Tower of Babble. And Matt is an important assistant and he is going to be relegated to sitting off to the side, listening to all these NBA guys argue over what they are going to be doing. That's my worry.
This was the whole reason why the NCAA came up with the 2 year rule where a player cannot play for a team if a coach on that staff was associated within the last 2 years with that player UNLESS that coach is one of the 3 MAIN assistant coaches.
Because Bill Self would hire Mario Chalmers father in an administrative position and then land his son. Bill Self could create 10K administrative positions if he wanted to just to land a player. The NCAA rule is used to prevent this from happening.
But since you only get 3 assistants you better be careful who you hire just to get a player. See Seton Hall hiring Tiny Morton. In the old rules Willard or even Lavin could have hired Morton in an administrative role and still get Whitehead. But not anymore. Tiny needed to be hired as one of the 3 main assistants or it doesn’t work.
It is also why SJU could not get Lamont Jones as a transfer in 2011, remember? Because Mo Hicks was DOBO and he within the previous 2 years had an AAU association with Jones. Since Mo Hicks was NOT one of the 3 main assistants SJU could not recruit him and thus he transferred to Iona from Arizona when we know his first choice was SJU.
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Pinckney, Terence and Mitch Richmond will all be on staff. Possibly 1 more
Holy moley pumpkin pie!
A staff with Mullin, Mitch Richmond, and Pickney would have some pretty impressive resumes as players.
And would that be the minister of propaganda and who might that be?
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I think they would like Mitch on the staff (even if it is an administrative role) for the purposes of recruiting in the next live weekend, April 24-26. He could temporarily be a recruiting assistant for SJU.
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Administrative (non-assistant positions) can be as many as you want and you can call them anything you want.
One position that is used prominently is DOBO, but that is not a requirement. You can call it something else, or you can have 5 people doing that job. Remember the NCAA doesn't regulate how many people can be on your total staff, what they regulate are recruiting assistants.
They also regulate who can work with players on the court. But you're right, you can have as many people as you want on a "staff". You can call them "video coordinators","assistant video coordinators" , "travel coordinators" etc..
The only thing I would worry about here is "to many cooks spoiling the broth". You bring in Pinckney and Richmond and you have all these basketball people on the staff; it's going to be like the Tower of Babble. And Matt is an important assistant and he is going to be relegated to sitting off to the side, listening to all these NBA guys argue over what they are going to be doing. That's my worry.
You worry a lot.
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http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/2015/04/16/more-changes-likely-for-kings-after-another-losing-season/25894153/
COACHING STAFF: Karl had no time to put together his own coaching staff so deep into the season other than adding offensive guru Vance Walberg. Count on Karl to make more moves this summer. He already has expressed interest in Nancy Lieberman, a former WNBA coach and one of the best women's basketball players ever. Hall of Famers such as Gary Payton and Mitch Richmond as well as Karl's son, Coby, are also possibilities.
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Now hearing Terence will not be with us.
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Now hearing Terence will not be with us.
He was never going to be with us.
Was just volunteering and helping out Mullin since we were men short.
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Now hearing Terence will not be with us.
I heard it was still up in the air
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Now hearing Terence will not be with us.
I heard it was still up in the air
Hope so. Would be great on this staff
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Now hearing Terence will not be with us.
I heard it was still up in the air
Hope so. Would be great on this staff
I think we should hire Diallo's handler for Dobo lol..jk
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Now hearing Terence will not be with us.
I heard it was still up in the air
Hope so. Would be great on this staff
I think we should hire Diallo's handler for Dobo lol..jk
would that be legit? He never coached him a assume. I know you were just joking but I guess it would be the same as hiring a parent
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Administrative (non-assistant positions) can be as many as you want and you can call them anything you want.
One position that is used prominently is DOBO, but that is not a requirement. You can call it something else, or you can have 5 people doing that job. Remember the NCAA doesn't regulate how many people can be on your total staff, what they regulate are recruiting assistants.
They also regulate who can work with players on the court. But you're right, you can have as many people as you want on a "staff". You can call them "video coordinators","assistant video coordinators" , "travel coordinators" etc..
The only thing I would worry about here is "to many cooks spoiling the broth". You bring in Pinckney and Richmond and you have all these basketball people on the staff; it's going to be like the Tower of Babble. And Matt is an important assistant and he is going to be relegated to sitting off to the side, listening to all these NBA guys argue over what they are going to be doing. That's my worry.
This was the whole reason why the NCAA came up with the 2 year rule where a player cannot play for a team if a coach on that staff was associated within the last 2 years with that player UNLESS that coach is one of the 3 MAIN assistant coaches.
Because Bill Self would hire Mario Chalmers father in an administrative position and then land his son. Bill Self could create 10K administrative positions if he wanted to just to land a player. The NCAA rule is used to prevent this from happening.
But since you only get 3 assistants you better be careful who you hire just to get a player. See Seton Hall hiring Tiny Morton. In the old rules Willard or even Lavin could have hired Morton in an administrative role and still get Whitehead. But not anymore. Tiny needed to be hired as one of the 3 main assistants or it doesn’t work.
It is also why SJU could not get Lamont Jones as a transfer in 2011, remember? Because Mo Hicks was DOBO and he within the previous 2 years had an AAU association with Jones. Since Mo Hicks was NOT one of the 3 main assistants SJU could not recruit him and thus he transferred to Iona from Arizona when we know his first choice was SJU.
The rule ALSO STATES that the hiring can't be contingent on the signing but since everyone knew beforehand that it was, they broke the rules; you just can't prove it. Don't anyone disagree with this because it was being argued about 6 months before they even posted the phony job vacancy on their staff. And then all of the sudden Tiny appears on their website on a sleepy August afternoon.
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I wasn't sure where to put this, but Cushing Academy of the NEPSAC has two top 70 players for 2017. Chris Mullin Jr. is a very proud former student-athlete at Cushing. The coach, Barry Connors, is the same. I'm sure he and Mullin are friendly.
Who knows if anything comes out of the connection, but the trio of coaches we already have in place have countless connections that are very hard to keep track of. Good times ahead.
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I wasn't sure where to put this, but Cushing Academy of the NEPSAC has two top 70 players for 2017. Chris Mullin Jr. is a very proud former student-athlete at Cushing. The coach, Barry Connors, is the same. I'm sure he and Mullin are friendly.
Who knows if anything comes out of the connection, but the trio of coaches we already have in place have countless connections that are very hard to keep track of. Good times ahead.
That isn't Chris' son right?
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I wasn't sure where to put this, but Cushing Academy of the NEPSAC has two top 70 players for 2017. Chris Mullin Jr. is a very proud former student-athlete at Cushing. The coach, Barry Connors, is the same. I'm sure he and Mullin are friendly.
Who knows if anything comes out of the connection, but the trio of coaches we already have in place have countless connections that are very hard to keep track of. Good times ahead.
That isn't Chris' son right?
Hahaha
Yeah, it's is son. He graduated in 2013 from Cushing. Apparently he really liked it there, because he always gives them shout-outs and being a NEPSAC champ is the first thing listed on his Twitter.
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I wasn't sure where to put this, but Cushing Academy of the NEPSAC has two top 70 players for 2017. Chris Mullin Jr. is a very proud former student-athlete at Cushing. The coach, Barry Connors, is the same. I'm sure he and Mullin are friendly.
Who knows if anything comes out of the connection, but the trio of coaches we already have in place have countless connections that are very hard to keep track of. Good times ahead.
That isn't Chris' son right?
Hahaha
Yeah, it's is son. He graduated in 2013 from Cushing. Apparently he really liked it there, because he always gives them shout-outs and being a NEPSAC champ is the first thing listed on his Twitter.
Sorry I misread your post. I know there was a Chris Mullins Jr on Twitter this weekend plus Manute Bol named his kid after Chris. Just got wasn't sure
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I wasn't sure where to put this, but Cushing Academy of the NEPSAC has two top 70 players for 2017. Chris Mullin Jr. is a very proud former student-athlete at Cushing. The coach, Barry Connors, is the same. I'm sure he and Mullin are friendly.
Who knows if anything comes out of the connection, but the trio of coaches we already have in place have countless connections that are very hard to keep track of. Good times ahead.
That isn't Chris' son right?
Hahaha
Yeah, it's is son. He graduated in 2013 from Cushing. Apparently he really liked it there, because he always gives them shout-outs and being a NEPSAC champ is the first thing listed on his Twitter.
Sorry I misread your post. I know there was a Chris Mullins Jr on Twitter this weekend plus Manute Bol named his kid after Chris. Just got wasn't sure
Mullin Jr spent some time at Loyola Marymount
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Wonder if Dave Boff is being considered to staff?
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Love seeing Coach Mullin at BTIG Charity Day.
If anyone saw the picture on Twitter... the guy in the middle, Steve Starker, is one of the new owners of the Atlanta Hawks
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Love seeing Coach Mullin at BTIG Charity Day.
If anyone saw the picture on Twitter... the guy in the middle, Steve Starker, is one of the new owners of the Atlanta Hawks
What's that guy's deal? He was always with Lavin too.
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So is the majority of the fan base ok if they don't hire an X and O guy for the bench?
I mean, Lavin spent 20 years as a coach and he was a terrible game coach. Not to mention he had old man Keady next him, yet we still lacked.
Mullin has never coached a day in his life. While I'm sure his hoops acumen is off the charts, that doesn't mean he'll be Brad Stevens.
I would feel much better if they hired someone. Maybe I'm alone.
I want this to succeed as much as anyone, I think it can only help to have a right hand man.
If you believe it's Slice, so be it. My impression he's here to bring in players , not draw up plays.
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So is the majority of the fan base ok if they don't hire an X and O guy for the bench?
I mean, Lavin spent 20 years as a coach and he was a terrible game coach. Not to mention he had old man Keady next him, yet we still lacked.
Mullin has never coached a day in his life. While I'm sure his hoops acumen is off the charts, that doesn't mean he'll be Brad Stevens.
I would feel much better if they hired someone. Maybe I'm alone.
I want this to succeed as much as anyone, I think it can only help to have a rift hand man.
If you believe it's Slice, so be it. My impression he's here to bring in players , not draw up plays.
Part of me wants a guy like Pinkney because I think he would be tremendous teacher to the bigs and can probably be a great recruiter too.
The realist part of me wants an X and O guy like Dunlap to help the new coach.
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So is the majority of the fan base ok if they don't hire an X and O guy for the bench?
I mean, Lavin spent 20 years as a coach and he was a terrible game coach. Not to mention he had old man Keady next him, yet we still lacked.
Mullin has never coached a day in his life. While I'm sure his hoops acumen is off the charts, that doesn't mean he'll be Brad Stevens.
I would feel much better if they hired someone. Maybe I'm alone.
I want this to succeed as much as anyone, I think it can only help to have a right hand man.
If you believe it's Slice, so be it. My impression he's here to bring in players , not draw up plays.
Agreed that Slice is here to bring players and give Mullin a perspective of a former head coach, but not to necessarily call plays. I am comfortable with us starting out as Mullin calling plays. Mullin seems to know his strengths and weaknesses - he has to with his one day at a time approach - so if he believes he is a strong X and O guy, I'll take him at it. If 1-2 years in the Xs and Os are horrible, I'd also expect we hire someone to assist in that respect.
As you mentioned, we had Lavin and Keady who have tons of experience and STILL sucked at drawing up plays. Which says to me, just having a former successful head coach doesnt say anything about Xs and Os. Mullin had a great bball IQ. I expect it to translate, and at least is reasonable to see how it translates before hiring a dedicated X and O guy.
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So is the majority of the fan base ok if they don't hire an X and O guy for the bench?
I mean, Lavin spent 20 years as a coach and he was a terrible game coach. Not to mention he had old man Keady next him, yet we still lacked.
Mullin has never coached a day in his life. While I'm sure his hoops acumen is off the charts, that doesn't mean he'll be Brad Stevens.
I would feel much better if they hired someone. Maybe I'm alone.
I want this to succeed as much as anyone, I think it can only help to have a rift hand man.
If you believe it's Slice, so be it. My impression he's here to bring in players , not draw up plays.
Part of me wants a guy like Pinkney because I think he would be tremendous teacher to the bigs and can probably be a great recruiter too.
The realist part of me wants an X and O guy like Dunlap to help the new coach.
I would think the staff told Diallo about Pinkney and that didn't help.
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So is the majority of the fan base ok if they don't hire an X and O guy for the bench?
I mean, Lavin spent 20 years as a coach and he was a terrible game coach. Not to mention he had old man Keady next him, yet we still lacked.
Mullin has never coached a day in his life. While I'm sure his hoops acumen is off the charts, that doesn't mean he'll be Brad Stevens.
I would feel much better if they hired someone. Maybe I'm alone.
I want this to succeed as much as anyone, I think it can only help to have a rift hand man.
If you believe it's Slice, so be it. My impression he's here to bring in players , not draw up plays.
Part of me wants a guy like Pinkney because I think he would be tremendous teacher to the bigs and can probably be a great recruiter too.
The realist part of me wants an X and O guy like Dunlap to help the new coach.
I would think the staff told Diallo about Pinkney and that didn't help.
If Slice and Matt didn't help then Ed wouldn't help either. Kid had his heart on Kansas I assume and that is absolutely understandable. At this point we aren't even close to Nova let alone on par with those programs.
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So is the majority of the fan base ok if they don't hire an X and O guy for the bench?
I mean, Lavin spent 20 years as a coach and he was a terrible game coach. Not to mention he had old man Keady next him, yet we still lacked.
Mullin has never coached a day in his life. While I'm sure his hoops acumen is off the charts, that doesn't mean he'll be Brad Stevens.
I would feel much better if they hired someone. Maybe I'm alone.
I want this to succeed as much as anyone, I think it can only help to have a right hand man.
If you believe it's Slice, so be it. My impression he's here to bring in players , not draw up plays.
Agreed that Slice is here to bring players and give Mullin a perspective of a former head coach, but not to necessarily call plays. I am comfortable with us starting out as Mullin calling plays. Mullin seems to know his strengths and weaknesses - he has to with his one day at a time approach - so if he believes he is a strong X and O guy, I'll take him at it. If 1-2 years in the Xs and Os are horrible, I'd also expect we hire someone to assist in that respect.
As you mentioned, we had Lavin and Keady who have tons of experience and STILL sucked at drawing up plays. Which says to me, just having a former successful head coach doesnt say anything about Xs and Os. Mullin had a great bball IQ. I expect it to translate, and at least is reasonable to see how it translates before hiring a dedicated X and O guy.
I think this might be a "teach a man to fish, he feeds himself for life" structure. If Chris runs a motion offense predicated upon player reads, the players will wind up mini-coaches out there. While Chris will of course have sets for out of bounds plays, breaking the press, etc., the regular offense is going to mostly run itself via the players. I prefer it that way. The key - getting the right players to fit that style. They really need to be team first guys. Very talented won't hurt either ;D
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So is the majority of the fan base ok if they don't hire an X and O guy for the bench?
I mean, Lavin spent 20 years as a coach and he was a terrible game coach. Not to mention he had old man Keady next him, yet we still lacked.
Mullin has never coached a day in his life. While I'm sure his hoops acumen is off the charts, that doesn't mean he'll be Brad Stevens.
I would feel much better if they hired someone. Maybe I'm alone.
I want this to succeed as much as anyone, I think it can only help to have a right hand man.
If you believe it's Slice, so be it. My impression he's here to bring in players , not draw up plays.
Agreed that Slice is here to bring players and give Mullin a perspective of a former head coach, but not to necessarily call plays. I am comfortable with us starting out as Mullin calling plays. Mullin seems to know his strengths and weaknesses - he has to with his one day at a time approach - so if he believes he is a strong X and O guy, I'll take him at it. If 1-2 years in the Xs and Os are horrible, I'd also expect we hire someone to assist in that respect.
As you mentioned, we had Lavin and Keady who have tons of experience and STILL sucked at drawing up plays. Which says to me, just having a former successful head coach doesnt say anything about Xs and Os. Mullin had a great bball IQ. I expect it to translate, and at least is reasonable to see how it translates before hiring a dedicated X and O guy.
I think this might be a "teach a man to fish, he feeds himself for life" structure. If Chris runs a motion offense predicated upon player reads, the players will wind up mini-coaches out there. While Chris will of course have sets for out of bounds plays, breaking the press, etc., the regular offense is going to mostly run itself via the players. I prefer it that way. The key - getting the right players to fit that style. They really need to be team first guys. Very talented won't hurt either ;D
I hope people aren't upset that Mullin isn't gonna be a guy writing up plays all game long. His offense will be much more free form. He said he doesn't want a team of kids that are always looking to the sidelines for the coach to write something up. Will be much more pro-style offense.
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So is the majority of the fan base ok if they don't hire an X and O guy for the bench?
I mean, Lavin spent 20 years as a coach and he was a terrible game coach. Not to mention he had old man Keady next him, yet we still lacked.
Mullin has never coached a day in his life. While I'm sure his hoops acumen is off the charts, that doesn't mean he'll be Brad Stevens.
I would feel much better if they hired someone. Maybe I'm alone.
I want this to succeed as much as anyone, I think it can only help to have a right hand man.
If you believe it's Slice, so be it. My impression he's here to bring in players , not draw up plays.
Agreed that Slice is here to bring players and give Mullin a perspective of a former head coach, but not to necessarily call plays. I am comfortable with us starting out as Mullin calling plays. Mullin seems to know his strengths and weaknesses - he has to with his one day at a time approach - so if he believes he is a strong X and O guy, I'll take him at it. If 1-2 years in the Xs and Os are horrible, I'd also expect we hire someone to assist in that respect.
As you mentioned, we had Lavin and Keady who have tons of experience and STILL sucked at drawing up plays. Which says to me, just having a former successful head coach doesnt say anything about Xs and Os. Mullin had a great bball IQ. I expect it to translate, and at least is reasonable to see how it translates before hiring a dedicated X and O guy.
I think this might be a "teach a man to fish, he feeds himself for life" structure. If Chris runs a motion offense predicated upon player reads, the players will wind up mini-coaches out there. While Chris will of course have sets for out of bounds plays, breaking the press, etc., the regular offense is going to mostly run itself via the players. I prefer it that way. The key - getting the right players to fit that style. They really need to be team first guys. Very talented won't hurt either ;D
I hope people aren't upset that Mullin isn't gonna be a guy writing up plays all game long. His offense will be much more free form. He said he doesn't want a team of kids that are always looking to the sidelines for the coach to write something up. Will be much more pro-style offense.
Yes - Let the talent win games
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Matt Abdelmassih @mabde33 · 2 minutes ago
Day by day, brick by brick....everyday has been a step forward. Future incredibly bright #sjubb #BigEast
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Matt Abdelmassih @mabde33 · 2 minutes ago
Day by day, brick by brick....everyday has been a step forward. Future incredibly bright #sjubb #BigEast
GOOD
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Matt Abdelmassih @mabde33 · 2 minutes ago
Day by day, brick by brick....everyday has been a step forward. Future incredibly bright #sjubb #BigEast
he talks about bricks so much we gotta call him the mason :)
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Matt Abdelmassih @mabde33 · 2 minutes ago
Day by day, brick by brick....everyday has been a step forward. Future incredibly bright #sjubb #BigEast
Lavin-esque
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Matt Abdelmassih @mabde33 · 2 minutes ago
Day by day, brick by brick....everyday has been a step forward. Future incredibly bright #sjubb #BigEast
Lavin-esque
At least Matt is building something with his bricks. Lavin was just smashing rocks with a hammer :)
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That stupid Hammer to Rock thing is what got me blocked on twitter by Lavin and Fratto.
All I said was " in the battle between hammer and Rock, it seems the rock has won". Didn'tike my sense of humor.
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That stupid Hammer to Rock thing is what got me blocked on twitter by Lavin and Fratto.
All I said was " in the battle between hammer and Rock, it seems the rock has won". Didn'tike my sense of humor.
People can be blocked on Twitter?
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That stupid Hammer to Rock thing is what got me blocked on twitter by Lavin and Fratto.
All I said was " in the battle between hammer and Rock, it seems the rock has won". Didn'tike my sense of humor.
they blocked you ? how do you block someone on twitter ? is it like unfriending on Facebook or something or can you still see what they write ?
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If people keep tweeting annoying stuff at you just click their profile. Then there is a tab somewhere where you can block. Then thru can't tweet at you or follow you. You can also mute someone.
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If people keep tweeting annoying stuff at you just click their profile. Then there is a tab somewhere where you can block. Then thru can't tweet at you or follow you. You can also mute someone.
sounds like a good option for wives. lol
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That stupid Hammer to Rock thing is what got me blocked on twitter by Lavin and Fratto.
All I said was " in the battle between hammer and Rock, it seems the rock has won". Didn'tike my sense of humor.
Didn't they take it a step further and say something to your employer boo?
Complete overreaction
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That stupid Hammer to Rock thing is what got me blocked on twitter by Lavin and Fratto.
All I said was " in the battle between hammer and Rock, it seems the rock has won". Didn'tike my sense of humor.
Didn't they take it a step further and say something to your employer boo?
Complete overreaction
Really? That's ridiculous
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Fratto did call someone I work with , who he knew , and asked about me. This is true.
Not a superior, but still, way over the top. We laughed it off. That day I removed my employer from my twitter profile. Douches
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Fratto did call someone I work with , who he knew , and asked about me. This is true.
Not a superior, but still, way over the top. We laughed it off. That day I removed my employer from my twitter profile. Douches
Unreal. Pretty sure that's the same guy who leaked all that false info on Lavin contract extensions. Burned a lot of bridges
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I called Zagoria an a rear of a donkey for making a joke about Kobe Bryant's divorce. Have been blocked since.
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Not sure , because I think he left prior to last season . This incident with myself occurred right after previous season. Loss to PC in BE tournament.
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Fratto did call someone I work with , who he knew , and asked about me. This is true.
Not a superior, but still, way over the top. We laughed it off. That day I removed my employer from my twitter profile. Douches
holy crap thats crazy
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Water under bridge now. But yeah. , they were sensitive bitches
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Water under bridge now. But yeah. , they were sensitive bitches
never knew fratto was a twitter bully. lol
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Fratto is the WORST human. A real sociopath.
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Wow.
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Probably just a bad day.
Seems Harks experience a bit worse. Lol.
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Fratto turned a lot of people off in the athletic department, that's for sure.
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Probably just a bad day.
Seems Harks experience a bit worse. Lol.
I don't want to share any stories because I feel like he lurks here reading all of this because he's insecure. But four years working for The Torch sports section at SJU, lots of interactions with him. The story you told is 100% how he is all the time. He probably blocked you from Lavin's account.
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Fratto turned a lot of people off in the athletic department, that's for sure.
He has always been very cool with me but I think its because we have some mutual friends
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Fratto turned a lot of people off in the athletic department, that's for sure.
He has always been very cool with me but I think its because we have some mutual friends
He was also very courteous to me also but a lot of people felt differently.
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I was at the RMU NIT game in 2014. Brandon Tierney (radio commentator) got up at the end of the first half to go out of the gym and Fratto got up and said something to him. Tierney almost lost his shit! I thought he was going to quit our gig right then and there. He left to go get his break. A couple of minutes later Tim Welsh, who was doing the game for ESPN, came out to talk to Fratto about what happened. He later brokered a reconciliation. Don't like Welsh, but you have to give it to him; he was a peacemaker that night.
Was anyone else there? Did anyone else hear what happened? Would like to know. There seems to be a lot of insiders here.
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I was at the RMU NIT game in 2014. Brandon Tierney (radio commentator) got up at the end of the first half to go out of the gym and Fratto got up and said something to him. Tierney almost lost his shit! I thought he was going to quit our gig right then and there. He left to go get his break. A couple of minutes later Tim Welsh, who was doing the game for ESPN, came out to talk to Fratto about what happened. He later brokered a reconciliation. Don't like Welsh, but you have to give it to him; he was a peacemaker that night.
Was anyone else there? Did anyone else hear what happened? Would like to know. There seems to be a lot of insiders here.
Will never question your fanhood if you were at that game! :up: :up: :up: :up: :up: :)
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Fratto was a real D bag who really thought his sh*t didn't stink.
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Matt A joins Adam Zagoria and Josh Newman on their new episode of their podcast
http://zagsblog.com/articles/the-4-quarters-podcast-ed-bright-matt-abdelmassih-and-the-mailbag/
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Matt A joins Adam Zagoria and Josh Newman on their new episode of their podcast
http://zagsblog.com/articles/the-4-quarters-podcast-ed-bright-matt-abdelmassih-and-the-mailbag/
Absolutely classy guy who did the same thing that Lavin did when he took over from Roberts. Praised the work of the previous staff and made it clear that their job was to get SJU up to the next level.
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Matt A joins Adam Zagoria and Josh Newman on their new episode of their podcast
http://zagsblog.com/articles/the-4-quarters-podcast-ed-bright-matt-abdelmassih-and-the-mailbag/
Absolutely classy guy who did the same thing that Lavin did when he took over from Roberts. Praised the work of the previous staff and made it clear that their job was to get SJU up to the next level.
Agreed. Matt is saying ans doing the right thing.
Lavin was always publicly gracious to the prior staff, and to my knowledge never blamed them for an imbalanced roster or any other flaws in the program.
I can never fault him for that.
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As much as I have been against the previous two coaches, they both did what they were brought here to do. Norm cleaned up the program and kept it clean and Lavin made us relevant again. The new staff is well on the way to doing their job and making us a consistent winner
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As much as I have been against the previous two coaches, they both did what they were brought here to do. Norm cleaned up the program and kept it clean and Lavin made us relevant again. The new staff is well on the way to doing their job and making us a consistent winner
Norm was brought here to ruin the program, and that was the only thing he succeeded in doing. At least under Lavin, we weren't a complete laughing stock.
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As much as I have been against the previous two coaches, they both did what they were brought here to do. Norm cleaned up the program and kept it clean and Lavin made us relevant again. The new staff is well on the way to doing their job and making us a consistent winner
Norm was brought here to ruin the program, and that was the only thing he succeeded in doing. At least under Lavin, we weren't a complete laughing stock.
Ok
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Kind of agree with poison . Cleaning up the program was great. Sucking for so long wasn't. That never should of or had to happen .
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Kind of agree with poison . Cleaning up the program was great. Sucking for so long wasn't. That never should of or had to happen .
Yes, they just kept Norm around too long. They thought he could both clean up the program and make us relevant again. He couldn't do the latter. Much like how I don't think Lavin could have both made us relevant AND a consistent winner. Laving was let go at the right time whereas Norm was kept 2 years too long
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Kind of agree with poison . Cleaning up the program was great. Sucking for so long wasn't. That never should of or had to happen .
Yes, they just kept Norm around too long. They thought he could both clean up the program and make us relevant again. He couldn't do the latter. Much like how I don't think Lavin could have both made us relevant AND a consistent winner. Laving was let go at the right time whereas Norm was kept 2 years too long
Lavin shoukd have been let go a year ago
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Kind of agree with poison . Cleaning up the program was great. Sucking for so long wasn't. That never should of or had to happen .
Yes, they just kept Norm around too long. They thought he could both clean up the program and make us relevant again. He couldn't do the latter. Much like how I don't think Lavin could have both made us relevant AND a consistent winner. Laving was let go at the right time whereas Norm was kept 2 years too long
Lavin shoukd have been let go a year ago
Maybe. I was as anti-Lavin as anybody but I believe it was right to give him the opportunity to coach Harrison Dom and Phil in their senior season. Entering last season Lavin still had the chance to have a very successful season and reel in a very quality recruiting class
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Kind of agree with poison . Cleaning up the program was great. Sucking for so long wasn't. That never should of or had to happen .
Yes, they just kept Norm around too long. They thought he could both clean up the program and make us relevant again. He couldn't do the latter. Much like how I don't think Lavin could have both made us relevant AND a consistent winner. Laving was let go at the right time whereas Norm was kept 2 years too long
Lavin shoukd have been let go a year ago
Maybe. I was as anti-Lavin as anybody but I believe it was right to give him the opportunity to coach Harrison Dom and Phil in their senior season. Entering last season Lavin still had the chance to have a very successful season and reel in a very quality recruiting class
Same way Norm was allowed to coach his seniors?
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Kind of agree with poison . Cleaning up the program was great. Sucking for so long wasn't. That never should of or had to happen .
Yes, they just kept Norm around too long. They thought he could both clean up the program and make us relevant again. He couldn't do the latter. Much like how I don't think Lavin could have both made us relevant AND a consistent winner. Laving was let go at the right time whereas Norm was kept 2 years too long
Lavin shoukd have been let go a year ago
He should have been fired for his shennanigans during the 11-12 season.
Nobody wants to admit that, but that's when he started to think he could get away with less than 100% effort.
SJU was generous and understanding to a fault.
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Kind of agree with poison . Cleaning up the program was great. Sucking for so long wasn't. That never should of or had to happen .
Yes, they just kept Norm around too long. They thought he could both clean up the program and make us relevant again. He couldn't do the latter. Much like how I don't think Lavin could have both made us relevant AND a consistent winner. Laving was let go at the right time whereas Norm was kept 2 years too long
Lavin shoukd have been let go a year ago
Maybe. I was as anti-Lavin as anybody but I believe it was right to give him the opportunity to coach Harrison Dom and Phil in their senior season. Entering last season Lavin still had the chance to have a very successful season and reel in a very quality recruiting class
But there was no reason to think he would.
We had seen his track record by then. He wiffed on the 2014 recruiting class, and with even more talent couldn't make the tournament that season.
Why was 2015 goign to be any different?
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[quote author=Marco
1. Lavin actually made it to 1 NCAA tournament and 2 NITs with his players, where Roberts made it to 1 NIT and 1 CBI.
2. The only way Roberts might have saved his job for one more year would have been if he a made a run in the NIT.
3. Last year year SJU had a holdover president so no big moves were to be expected.
4. Dr. G did the right thing by giving Lavin a full season to evaluate Lavin to see if he was the coach for SJU for the long term.
5. Firing Lavin was clear for half the board and many others on the board were willing to let him go only if we got a proven commodity or somebody with serious potential to take this team to the next level. The coaching list was very short for this board and it included keeping Lavin. Couldn't say the same about Roberts.
SJU went to shake things up big time, and they did this by hiring the first non clergy President in SJU history. Dr. G is also shaking things up by making bold moves wishing the school as well and that included firing Lavin and the status qou and bringing in Mullin a coaching unknown but has huge potential to make the city been SJU Res again.
Maybe Lavin was doomed from the start with the new President and he did not help himself with the lack of recruitment and player issues. On the other hand him being fired was not such a sure thing and maybe if SJU wasn't trying to be so bold he would have survived. Universally almost everyone agrees that Roberts wasn't the man for the job and probably shouldn't have even coached his players when they were Jrs.
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Kind of agree with poison . Cleaning up the program was great. Sucking for so long wasn't. That never should of or had to happen .
Kind of agree with poison . Cleaning up the program was great. Sucking for so long wasn't. That never should of or had to happen .
Yes, they just kept Norm around too long. They thought he could both clean up the program and make us relevant again. He couldn't do the latter. Much like how I don't think Lavin could have both made us relevant AND a consistent winner. Laving was let go at the right time whereas Norm was kept 2 years too long
Lavin shoukd have been let go a year ago
He should have been fired for his shennanigans during the 11-12 season.
Nobody wants to admit that, but that's when he started to think he could get away with less than 100% effort.
SJU was generous and understanding to a fault.
Yes, they just kept Norm around too long. They thought he could both clean up the program and make us relevant again. He couldn't do the latter. Much like how I don't think Lavin could have both made us relevant AND a consistent winner. Laving was let go at the right time whereas Norm was kept 2 years too long
Lavin shoukd have been let go a year ago
He should have been fired for his shennanigans during the 11-12 season.
Nobody wants to admit that, but that's when he started to think he could get away with less than 100% effort.
SJU was generous and understanding to a fault.
Having cancer is considered "shenannigans" now. Wow.
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Kind of agree with poison . Cleaning up the program was great. Sucking for so long wasn't. That never should of or had to happen .
Kind of agree with poison . Cleaning up the program was great. Sucking for so long wasn't. That never should of or had to happen .
Yes, they just kept Norm around too long. They thought he could both clean up the program and make us relevant again. He couldn't do the latter. Much like how I don't think Lavin could have both made us relevant AND a consistent winner. Laving was let go at the right time whereas Norm was kept 2 years too long
Lavin shoukd have been let go a year ago
He should have been fired for his shennanigans during the 11-12 season.
Nobody wants to admit that, but that's when he started to think he could get away with less than 100% effort.
SJU was generous and understanding to a fault.
Yes, they just kept Norm around too long. They thought he could both clean up the program and make us relevant again. He couldn't do the latter. Much like how I don't think Lavin could have both made us relevant AND a consistent winner. Laving was let go at the right time whereas Norm was kept 2 years too long
Lavin shoukd have been let go a year ago
He should have been fired for his shennanigans during the 11-12 season.
Nobody wants to admit that, but that's when he started to think he could get away with less than 100% effort.
SJU was generous and understanding to a fault.
Having cancer is considered "shenannigans" now. Wow.
i think Desco means, after that lavins efforts were alot less focused then they should have been even after his clean bill of health . I mean look at the roster Mullin inherited , wow. Its amazing were are talking about 5th to 3rd in the BE right now.
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i think Desco means, after that lavins efforts were alot less focused then they should have been even after his clean bill of health . I mean look at the roster Mullin inherited , wow. Its amazing were are talking about 5th to 3rd in the BE right now.
Its clear Lavin got lazy, however, Is that not what a lead recruiter is suppose to do, recruit? Why does Chiles get a pass? He was not good and focused to much on second chance kids.
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The guy recruited 4 years . We got too players 3 of those years. He had players coming in this year also. His problem was not recruiting .
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The guy recruited 4 years . We got too players 3 of those years. He had players coming in this year also. His problem was not recruiting .
MULLIN was left with 2 players, both unstable.
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The guy recruited 4 years . We got too players 3 of those years. He had players coming in this year also. His problem was not recruiting .
Outside of Sampson, who else was coming in that was going to qualify and was taller that 6'5"? We were going to have the same problem as last year with a lack of front line depth.
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The guy recruited 4 years . We got too players 3 of those years. He had players coming in this year also. His problem was not recruiting .
even if you argue Lavin got us good players, he didn't balance the roster. Last year we had 1 BE calibre player over 6 6. and just about 0 depth. And the year we were loaded, Sanchez,Sampson et al., he couldn't decide on a lineup.
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The guy recruited 4 years . We got too players 3 of those years. He had players coming in this year also. His problem was not recruiting .
Outside of Sampson, who else was coming in that was going to qualify and was taller that 6'5"? We were going to have the same problem as last year with a lack of front line depth.
Sampson could've opted out to LSU either way
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Great thread about Mullins staff. Every thread turns into something about Lavin. He's gone!
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To say specifically that lavin needed to be fired after 2011 2012 is what I have an issue with. As a childhood cancer survivor and someone who spoke personally to lavin during that season several times about his surgery and how he was feeling I can say that not only am I personally offended by that comment but I think to say he NEEDED to be fired after that year specifically is a crock of s*** and crossing the line. I get you guys didn't like him and have personal agendas. Great. But he's gone. Enough is enough. You wanted him fired because of his last couple years ok, whatever. But to say after that year specifically is too much
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To say specifically that lavin needed to be fired after 2011 2012 is what I have an issue with. As a childhood cancer survivor and someone who spoke personally to lavin during that season several times about his surgery and how he was feeling I can say that not only am I personally offended by that comment but I think to say he NEEDED to be fired after that year specifically is a crock of s*** and crossing the line. I get you guys didn't like him and have personal agendas. Great. But he's gone. Enough is enough. You wanted him fired because of his last couple years ok, whatever. But to say after that year specifically is too much
Amen brother!!!! I too am a cancer survivor, as an adult, and beneath it all there is depression to also combat.
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Desco Duck is just full of hate. I wish him and his family good health
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Kind of agree with poison . Cleaning up the program was great. Sucking for so long wasn't. That never should of or had to happen .
Yes, they just kept Norm around too long. They thought he could both clean up the program and make us relevant again. He couldn't do the latter. Much like how I don't think Lavin could have both made us relevant AND a consistent winner. Laving was let go at the right time whereas Norm was kept 2 years too long
Lavin shoukd have been let go a year ago
He should have been fired for his shennanigans during the 11-12 season.
Nobody wants to admit that, but that's when he started to think he could get away with less than 100% effort.
SJU was generous and understanding to a fault.
Damn desco I like you man but that is just freaking ridiculous. Came off a tourny appearance, two very good recruiting classes, and a bout with cancer.
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Kind of agree with poison . Cleaning up the program was great. Sucking for so long wasn't. That never should of or had to happen .
Yes, they just kept Norm around too long. They thought he could both clean up the program and make us relevant again. He couldn't do the latter. Much like how I don't think Lavin could have both made us relevant AND a consistent winner. Laving was let go at the right time whereas Norm was kept 2 years too long
Lavin shoukd have been let go a year ago
He should have been fired for his shennanigans during the 11-12 season.
Nobody wants to admit that, but that's when he started to think he could get away with less than 100% effort.
SJU was generous and understanding to a fault.
Wow, I knew sooner or later you will end up looking like a jacka$$. Hope you feel better about yourself.
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Kind of agree with poison . Cleaning up the program was great. Sucking for so long wasn't. That never should of or had to happen .
Yes, they just kept Norm around too long. They thought he could both clean up the program and make us relevant again. He couldn't do the latter. Much like how I don't think Lavin could have both made us relevant AND a consistent winner. Laving was let go at the right time whereas Norm was kept 2 years too long
Lavin shoukd have been let go a year ago
He should have been fired for his shennanigans during the 11-12 season.
Nobody wants to admit that, but that's when he started to think he could get away with less than 100% effort.
SJU was generous and understanding to a fault.
Wow, I knew sooner or later you will end up looking like a jacka$$. Hope you feel better about yourself.
Regardless of the cancer, or Dunlap leaving, or the death of Lavin's Dad, or a combination of things, it is clear that Lavin never achieved the same success (at both coaching and recruiting) that he experienced in his first season. Whether that is attributable to Lavin not exerting the same or similar effort or not (as Desco suggests), I don't know. Either way, I think the school gave Lavin exactly the right amount of time to prove whether he was worthy of an extended contract. And as much as I disliked certain of his attributes, I will always remain grateful for Lavin bringing the program back to relevancy.
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The guy recruited 4 years . We got too players 3 of those years. He had players coming in this year also. His problem was not recruiting .
Outside of Sampson, who else was coming in that was going to qualify and was taller that 6'5"? We were going to have the same problem as last year with a lack of front line depth.
Sampson could've opted out to LSU either way
then why didn't he opt out before lavin got fired ? Jungle Dave who knows the kid and his coach said he loved Lavin and that they were pissed lavin got fired and that Chiles was real close to his coach ?
if knowing that why and knowing the kid didn't opt out while Lavin was coaching why even try and throw out the idea that the kid might have decomitted.
Just give lavin credit that he got he kid and he decomitted because lavin got fired which is what happened
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Kind of agree with poison . Cleaning up the program was great. Sucking for so long wasn't. That never should of or had to happen .
Yes, they just kept Norm around too long. They thought he could both clean up the program and make us relevant again. He couldn't do the latter. Much like how I don't think Lavin could have both made us relevant AND a consistent winner. Laving was let go at the right time whereas Norm was kept 2 years too long
Lavin shoukd have been let go a year ago
Maybe. I was as anti-Lavin as anybody but I believe it was right to give him the opportunity to coach Harrison Dom and Phil in their senior season. Entering last season Lavin still had the chance to have a very successful season and reel in a very quality recruiting class
Same way Norm was allowed to coach his seniors?
Norm didn't do anything that should make any of us believe he was capable of having even a respectable season in the BE. Lavin didn't succeed, but at least we were able to compete under him.
Norm was routinely blown out by any team that was even half way decent.
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Kind of agree with poison . Cleaning up the program was great. Sucking for so long wasn't. That never should of or had to happen .
Yes, they just kept Norm around too long. They thought he could both clean up the program and make us relevant again. He couldn't do the latter. Much like how I don't think Lavin could have both made us relevant AND a consistent winner. Laving was let go at the right time whereas Norm was kept 2 years too long
Lavin shoukd have been let go a year ago
And if he had been fired, we would have lost guys to transfer, not made the tournament, and we never get Mullin, Matt, and Slice. What's the point of doing this every few days? He took us back to respectability with two NCAA tournaments and handed the baton off to Mullin to get us to the next level. Do you know how easy it is to suck at St. John's. Say whatever you want, but we didn't suck under Lavin.
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Things happen when they are supposed to.
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Why are we even discussing lavins firing anymore? Our living legend is now our coach, in one month excitement and hope for the program is at an all time high in the 21st century...why talk about negative stuff w the prior coach? Some guys on here clearly only enjoy discussing negative topics....
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Why are we even discussing lavins firing anymore? Our living legend is now our coach, in one month excitement and hope for the program is at an all time high in the 21st century...why talk about negative stuff w the prior coach? Some guys on here clearly only enjoy discussing negative topics....
+1000. I said that like 20 posts ago. I love coming here to post but I go on this thread hoping there's more information on a coaching hire for the staff and instead I get the same Lavin talk. The guy is gone, someon needs to get these threads back on topic.
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Lavin is part of the history of the school. Same as every other coach who gets a mention here. This is a message board, a place to discuss. I do agree it should hve a different thread, but a lot of threads spin off into other topics.
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Kind of agree with poison . Cleaning up the program was great. Sucking for so long wasn't. That never should of or had to happen .
Yes, they just kept Norm around too long. They thought he could both clean up the program and make us relevant again. He couldn't do the latter. Much like how I don't think Lavin could have both made us relevant AND a consistent winner. Laving was let go at the right time whereas Norm was kept 2 years too long
Lavin shoukd have been let go a year ago
And if he had been fired, we would have lost guys to transfer, not made the tournament, and we never get Mullin, Matt, and Slice. What's the point of doing this every few days? He took us back to respectability with two NCAA tournaments and handed the baton off to Mullin to get us to the next level. Do you know how easy it is to suck at St. John's. Say whatever you want, but we didn't suck under Lavin.
We also didn't suck under Mahoney, Fran, or Jarvis. Every coach post Louie has made the tournament and signed a top 20 recruit, besides Norm. So Lavin's success is on par with the rest.
And for those that thought my prior comment was ridiculous; he knew about his cancer in June and scheduled a procedure for November? How does that make any sense for a college basketball coach?
Also, when you're healthy enough to coach ... you come back. It's not complicated.
What he did, calling himself a GM and watching games from a suite was unprecedented. Tons of college coaches have dealt with that awful disease, and they all sat out and then came back when they had recovered.
I don't blame him at all for trying to come back early, and finding out he couldn't. That is completely understandable.
But what happened for the rest of the season was a joke. Him flying around recruiting while his team played games? Attending every game from a suite at msg but not coaching?
That's not the job you were hired for.
That is when the nonsense and games between Lavin and the University started. Whether you want to acknowledge that or not is fine, but I feel strongly
that he handled that about as poorly as possible.
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Back on topic, does anyone believe the last assistant spot will be anyone other than Pinkney?
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Back on topic, does anyone believe the last assistant spot will be anyone other than Pinkney?
Nope. And I think Mitch takes the Keady job
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Back on topic, does anyone believe the last assistant spot will be anyone other than Pinkney?
I would much rather see him bring in something with some more head coaching experience vs. Pickney.
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Kind of agree with poison . Cleaning up the program was great. Sucking for so long wasn't. That never should of or had to happen .
Yes, they just kept Norm around too long. They thought he could both clean up the program and make us relevant again. He couldn't do the latter. Much like how I don't think Lavin could have both made us relevant AND a consistent winner. Laving was let go at the right time whereas Norm was kept 2 years too long
Lavin shoukd have been let go a year ago
And if he had been fired, we would have lost guys to transfer, not made the tournament, and we never get Mullin, Matt, and Slice. What's the point of doing this every few days? He took us back to respectability with two NCAA tournaments and handed the baton off to Mullin to get us to the next level. Do you know how easy it is to suck at St. John's. Say whatever you want, but we didn't suck under Lavin.
We also didn't suck under Mahoney, Fran, or Jarvis. Every coach post Louie has made the tournament and signed a top 20 recruit, besides Norm. So Lavin's success is on par with the rest.
And for those that thought my prior comment was ridiculous; he knew about his cancer in June and scheduled a procedure for November? How does that make any sense for a college basketball coach?
Also, when you're healthy enough to coach ... you come back. It's not complicated.
What he did, calling himself a GM and watching games from a suite was unprecedented. Tons of college coaches have dealt with that awful disease, and they all sat out and then came back when they had recovered.
I don't blame him at all for trying to come back early, and finding out he couldn't. That is completely understandable.
But what happened for the rest of the season was a joke. Him flying around recruiting while his team played games? Attending every game from a suite at msg but not coaching?
That's not the job you were hired for.
That is when the nonsense and games between Lavin and the University started. Whether you want to acknowledge that or not is fine, but I feel strongly
that he handled that about as poorly as possible.
(http://i.giphy.com/igR5863TALcSk.gif)
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Back on topic, does anyone believe the last assistant spot will be anyone other than Pinkney?
Nope. And I think Mitch takes the Keady job
Not sure about Mitch. He will not be able to coach, what would he gain by doing that?
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Back on topic, does anyone believe the last assistant spot will be anyone other than Pinkney?
Nope. And I think Mitch takes the Keady job
Not sure about Mitch. He will not be able to coach, what would he gain by doing that?
Experience
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Back on topic, does anyone believe the last assistant spot will be anyone other than Pinkney?
Nope. And I think Mitch takes the Keady job
Not sure about Mitch. He will not be able to coach, what would he gain by doing that?
Experience
Experience doing what exactly? He will not be able to coach, that is what he wants to do.
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Kind of agree with poison . Cleaning up the program was great. Sucking for so long wasn't. That never should of or had to happen .
Yes, they just kept Norm around too long. They thought he could both clean up the program and make us relevant again. He couldn't do the latter. Much like how I don't think Lavin could have both made us relevant AND a consistent winner. Laving was let go at the right time whereas Norm was kept 2 years too long
Lavin shoukd have been let go a year ago
And if he had been fired, we would have lost guys to transfer, not made the tournament, and we never get Mullin, Matt, and Slice. What's the point of doing this every few days? He took us back to respectability with two NCAA tournaments and handed the baton off to Mullin to get us to the next level. Do you know how easy it is to suck at St. John's. Say whatever you want, but we didn't suck under Lavin.
We also didn't suck under Mahoney, Fran, or Jarvis. Every coach post Louie has made the tournament and signed a top 20 recruit, besides Norm. So Lavin's success is on par with the rest.
And for those that thought my prior comment was ridiculous; he knew about his cancer in June and scheduled a procedure for November? How does that make any sense for a college basketball coach?
Also, when you're healthy enough to coach ... you come back. It's not complicated.
What he did, calling himself a GM and watching games from a suite was unprecedented. Tons of college coaches have dealt with that awful disease, and they all sat out and then came back when they had recovered.
I don't blame him at all for trying to come back early, and finding out he couldn't. That is completely understandable.
But what happened for the rest of the season was a joke. Him flying around recruiting while his team played games? Attending every game from a suite at msg but not coaching?
That's not the job you were hired for.
That is when the nonsense and games between Lavin and the University started. Whether you want to acknowledge that or not is fine, but I feel strongly
that he handled that about as poorly as possible.
(http://i.giphy.com/igR5863TALcSk.gif)
I'm worried about that dude. :D
It's similar to Pavlov's dogs (they get excited and salivate at the sign of negativity) with some of these folks.
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Back on topic, does anyone believe the last assistant spot will be anyone other than Pinkney?
Nope. And I think Mitch takes the Keady job
Not sure about Mitch. He will not be able to coach, what would he gain by doing that?
Experience
Experience doing what exactly? He will not be able to coach, that is what he wants to do.
That's what I mean. It's a step in the right direction. Stay a year or 2 and learn in the big east
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Lavin is part of the history of the school. Same as every other coach who gets a mention here. This is a message board, a place to discuss. I do agree it should hve a different thread, but a lot of threads spin off into other topics.
+1. When Lavin was hired everybody compared him to Norm, and Norm got bashed. But, god for bid someone mentions Lavins shortcomings, its blasphemy. Many people are just comparing Lavins philosophy to Mullin s.
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Back on topic, does anyone believe the last assistant spot will be anyone other than Pinkney?
Nope. And I think Mitch takes the Keady job
Not sure about Mitch. He will not be able to coach, what would he gain by doing that?
Experience
Experience doing what exactly? He will not be able to coach, that is what he wants to do.
That's what I mean. It's a step in the right direction. Stay a year or 2 and learn in the big east
So he is suppose to learn to be a Coach by not being a coach yet some posters are concerned that CM doesn't have enough "X's and O's" experience on his staff although they all have actually been assistant coaches and Slice has been a HC. How does that make sense? You learn by doing, that is how you will be judged. You maybe right but I just don't see Mitch coming in to be a Mascot.
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Back on topic, does anyone believe the last assistant spot will be anyone other than Pinkney?
Nope. And I think Mitch takes the Keady job
Not sure about Mitch. He will not be able to coach, what would he gain by doing that?
Experience
Experience doing what exactly? He will not be able to coach, that is what he wants to do.
That's what I mean. It's a step in the right direction. Stay a year or 2 and learn in the big east
So he is suppose to learn to be a Coach by not being a coach yet some posters are concerned that CM doesn't have enough "X's and O's" experience on his staff although they all have actually been assistant coaches and Slice has been a HC. How does that make sense? You learn by doing, that is how you will be judged. You maybe right but I just don't see Mitch coming in to be a Mascot.
What's he doing now?
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Back on topic, does anyone believe the last assistant spot will be anyone other than Pinkney?
Nope. And I think Mitch takes the Keady job
Not sure about Mitch. He will not be able to coach, what would he gain by doing that?
Experience
Experience doing what exactly? He will not be able to coach, that is what he wants to do.
That's what I mean. It's a step in the right direction. Stay a year or 2 and learn in the big east
So he is suppose to learn to be a Coach by not being a coach yet some posters are concerned that CM doesn't have enough "X's and O's" experience on his staff although they all have actually been assistant coaches and Slice has been a HC. How does that make sense? You learn by doing, that is how you will be judged. You maybe right but I just don't see Mitch coming in to be a Mascot.
Rather than "Mascot" I consider it an extremely high paid internship. He gets paid like an assistant coach but basically cane be Mullin's right hand man/advisor and learn straight from Mullin and the other coaches. Then he becomes an assistant for us in 1-2 years when someone on our staff inevitably leaves, or DOBO at that point, or an assistant elsehwere. It's not a terrible idea, if Richmond is willing to do it. And Mullin obviously benefits by having another Hall of Fame player giving him ideas, insight, etc. right on staff.
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Kind of agree with poison . Cleaning up the program was great. Sucking for so long wasn't. That never should of or had to happen .
Yes, they just kept Norm around too long. They thought he could both clean up the program and make us relevant again. He couldn't do the latter. Much like how I don't think Lavin could have both made us relevant AND a consistent winner. Laving was let go at the right time whereas Norm was kept 2 years too long
Lavin shoukd have been let go a year ago
And if he had been fired, we would have lost guys to transfer, not made the tournament, and we never get Mullin, Matt, and Slice. What's the point of doing this every few days? He took us back to respectability with two NCAA tournaments and handed the baton off to Mullin to get us to the next level. Do you know how easy it is to suck at St. John's. Say whatever you want, but we didn't suck under Lavin.
We also didn't suck under Mahoney, Fran, or Jarvis. Every coach post Louie has made the tournament and signed a top 20 recruit, besides Norm. So Lavin's success is on par with the rest.
And for those that thought my prior comment was ridiculous; he knew about his cancer in June and scheduled a procedure for November? How does that make any sense for a college basketball coach?
Also, when you're healthy enough to coach ... you come back. It's not complicated.
What he did, calling himself a GM and watching games from a suite was unprecedented. Tons of college coaches have dealt with that awful disease, and they all sat out and then came back when they had recovered.
I don't blame him at all for trying to come back early, and finding out he couldn't. That is completely understandable.
But what happened for the rest of the season was a joke. Him flying around recruiting while his team played games? Attending every game from a suite at msg but not coaching?
That's not the job you were hired for.
That is when the nonsense and games between Lavin and the University started. Whether you want to acknowledge that or not is fine, but I feel strongly
that he handled that about as poorly as possible.
This one has to take the cake. Desco, there can't possibly be any part of you that believes lavin would say "I have cancer, but I don't want it to be taken out yet. I'd rather leave it in and possibly increase my risk of dying so I can schedule it for when I won't have to coach desco's favorite basketball team." That's literally the craziest thing I've seen posted here. Besides the fact that "scheduling" the operation comes more from the doc advice(try other Methods of treatment first, pre op procedure ect....)than personal choice. I'm sorry man, I don't know what lavin did to you but I can say with certainty that no one is pushing off having cancer removed from their body solely so they can sabotage your hoops team. I hope that makes you feel a little better and eases some of your paranoia. As far as getting off topic. I apologize to those that are bothered by my post but I just can't see stuff like this posted and not say something.
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Kind of agree with poison . Cleaning up the program was great. Sucking for so long wasn't. That never should of or had to happen .
Yes, they just kept Norm around too long. They thought he could both clean up the program and make us relevant again. He couldn't do the latter. Much like how I don't think Lavin could have both made us relevant AND a consistent winner. Laving was let go at the right time whereas Norm was kept 2 years too long
Lavin shoukd have been let go a year ago
And if he had been fired, we would have lost guys to transfer, not made the tournament, and we never get Mullin, Matt, and Slice. What's the point of doing this every few days? He took us back to respectability with two NCAA tournaments and handed the baton off to Mullin to get us to the next level. Do you know how easy it is to suck at St. John's. Say whatever you want, but we didn't suck under Lavin.
We also didn't suck under Mahoney, Fran, or Jarvis. Every coach post Louie has made the tournament and signed a top 20 recruit, besides Norm. So Lavin's success is on par with the rest.
And for those that thought my prior comment was ridiculous; he knew about his cancer in June and scheduled a procedure for November? How does that make any sense for a college basketball coach?
Also, when you're healthy enough to coach ... you come back. It's not complicated.
What he did, calling himself a GM and watching games from a suite was unprecedented. Tons of college coaches have dealt with that awful disease, and they all sat out and then came back when they had recovered.
I don't blame him at all for trying to come back early, and finding out he couldn't. That is completely understandable.
But what happened for the rest of the season was a joke. Him flying around recruiting while his team played games? Attending every game from a suite at msg but not coaching?
That's not the job you were hired for.
That is when the nonsense and games between Lavin and the University started. Whether you want to acknowledge that or not is fine, but I feel strongly
that he handled that about as poorly as possible.
This one has to take the cake. Desco, there can't possibly be any part of you that believes lavin would say "I have cancer, but I don't want it to be taken out yet. I'd rather leave it in and possibly increase my risk of dying so I can schedule it for when I won't have to coach desco's favorite basketball team." That's literally the craziest thing I've seen posted here. Besides the fact that "scheduling" the operation comes more from the doc advice(try other Methods of treatment first, pre op procedure ect....)than personal choice. I'm sorry man, I don't know what lavin did to you but I can say with certainty that no one is pushing off having cancer removed from their body solely so they can sabotage your hoops team. I hope that makes you feel a little better and eases some of your paranoia. As far as getting off topic. I apologize to those that are bothered by my post but I just can't see stuff like this posted and not say something.
Not to pile on here, but one of the side effects of prostate cancer treatment is the loss of control over your "plumbing", which might explain why Lavin felt more comfortable in a room near a bathroom following his surgery and treatment, then on the sidelines for an hour at a time. Just saying...
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Kind of agree with poison . Cleaning up the program was great. Sucking for so long wasn't. That never should of or had to happen .
Yes, they just kept Norm around too long. They thought he could both clean up the program and make us relevant again. He couldn't do the latter. Much like how I don't think Lavin could have both made us relevant AND a consistent winner. Laving was let go at the right time whereas Norm was kept 2 years too long
Lavin shoukd have been let go a year ago
And if he had been fired, we would have lost guys to transfer, not made the tournament, and we never get Mullin, Matt, and Slice. What's the point of doing this every few days? He took us back to respectability with two NCAA tournaments and handed the baton off to Mullin to get us to the next level. Do you know how easy it is to suck at St. John's. Say whatever you want, but we didn't suck under Lavin.
We also didn't suck under Mahoney, Fran, or Jarvis. Every coach post Louie has made the tournament and signed a top 20 recruit, besides Norm. So Lavin's success is on par with the rest.
And for those that thought my prior comment was ridiculous; he knew about his cancer in June and scheduled a procedure for November? How does that make any sense for a college basketball coach?
Also, when you're healthy enough to coach ... you come back. It's not complicated.
What he did, calling himself a GM and watching games from a suite was unprecedented. Tons of college coaches have dealt with that awful disease, and they all sat out and then came back when they had recovered.
I don't blame him at all for trying to come back early, and finding out he couldn't. That is completely understandable.
But what happened for the rest of the season was a joke. Him flying around recruiting while his team played games? Attending every game from a suite at msg but not coaching?
That's not the job you were hired for.
That is when the nonsense and games between Lavin and the University started. Whether you want to acknowledge that or not is fine, but I feel strongly
that he handled that about as poorly as possible.
This one has to take the cake. Desco, there can't possibly be any part of you that believes lavin would say "I have cancer, but I don't want it to be taken out yet. I'd rather leave it in and possibly increase my risk of dying so I can schedule it for when I won't have to coach desco's favorite basketball team." That's literally the craziest thing I've seen posted here. Besides the fact that "scheduling" the operation comes more from the doc advice(try other Methods of treatment first, pre op procedure ect....)than personal choice. I'm sorry man, I don't know what lavin did to you but I can say with certainty that no one is pushing off having cancer removed from their body solely so they can sabotage your hoops team. I hope that makes you feel a little better and eases some of your paranoia. As far as getting off topic. I apologize to those that are bothered by my post but I just can't see stuff like this posted and not say something.
Not to pile on here, but one of the side effects of prostate cancer treatment is the loss of control over your "plumbing", which might explain why Lavin felt more comfortable in a room near a bathroom following his surgery and treatment, then on the sidelines for an hour at a time. Just saying...
Yet comfortable on a plane?
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Some disgusting posts in this thread. Jesus.
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Kind of agree with poison . Cleaning up the program was great. Sucking for so long wasn't. That never should of or had to happen .
Yes, they just kept Norm around too long. They thought he could both clean up the program and make us relevant again. He couldn't do the latter. Much like how I don't think Lavin could have both made us relevant AND a consistent winner. Laving was let go at the right time whereas Norm was kept 2 years too long
Lavin shoukd have been let go a year ago
And if he had been fired, we would have lost guys to transfer, not made the tournament, and we never get Mullin, Matt, and Slice. What's the point of doing this every few days? He took us back to respectability with two NCAA tournaments and handed the baton off to Mullin to get us to the next level. Do you know how easy it is to suck at St. John's. Say whatever you want, but we didn't suck under Lavin.
We also didn't suck under Mahoney, Fran, or Jarvis. Every coach post Louie has made the tournament and signed a top 20 recruit, besides Norm. So Lavin's success is on par with the rest.
And for those that thought my prior comment was ridiculous; he knew about his cancer in June and scheduled a procedure for November? How does that make any sense for a college basketball coach?
Also, when you're healthy enough to coach ... you come back. It's not complicated.
What he did, calling himself a GM and watching games from a suite was unprecedented. Tons of college coaches have dealt with that awful disease, and they all sat out and then came back when they had recovered.
I don't blame him at all for trying to come back early, and finding out he couldn't. That is completely understandable.
But what happened for the rest of the season was a joke. Him flying around recruiting while his team played games? Attending every game from a suite at msg but not coaching?
That's not the job you were hired for.
That is when the nonsense and games between Lavin and the University started. Whether you want to acknowledge that or not is fine, but I feel strongly
that he handled that about as poorly as possible.
This one has to take the cake. Desco, there can't possibly be any part of you that believes lavin would say "I have cancer, but I don't want it to be taken out yet. I'd rather leave it in and possibly increase my risk of dying so I can schedule it for when I won't have to coach desco's favorite basketball team." That's literally the craziest thing I've seen posted here. Besides the fact that "scheduling" the operation comes more from the doc advice(try other Methods of treatment first, pre op procedure ect....)than personal choice. I'm sorry man, I don't know what lavin did to you but I can say with certainty that no one is pushing off having cancer removed from their body solely so they can sabotage your hoops team. I hope that makes you feel a little better and eases some of your paranoia. As far as getting off topic. I apologize to those that are bothered by my post but I just can't see stuff like this posted and not say something.
Not to pile on here, but one of the side effects of prostate cancer treatment is the loss of control over your "plumbing", which might explain why Lavin felt more comfortable in a room near a bathroom following his surgery and treatment, then on the sidelines for an hour at a time. Just saying...
Yet comfortable on a plane?
With a restroom near by, per DFF's explanation.
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Kind of agree with poison . Cleaning up the program was great. Sucking for so long wasn't. That never should of or had to happen .
Yes, they just kept Norm around too long. They thought he could both clean up the program and make us relevant again. He couldn't do the latter. Much like how I don't think Lavin could have both made us relevant AND a consistent winner. Laving was let go at the right time whereas Norm was kept 2 years too long
Lavin shoukd have been let go a year ago
And if he had been fired, we would have lost guys to transfer, not made the tournament, and we never get Mullin, Matt, and Slice. What's the point of doing this every few days? He took us back to respectability with two NCAA tournaments and handed the baton off to Mullin to get us to the next level. Do you know how easy it is to suck at St. John's. Say whatever you want, but we didn't suck under Lavin.
We also didn't suck under Mahoney, Fran, or Jarvis. Every coach post Louie has made the tournament and signed a top 20 recruit, besides Norm. So Lavin's success is on par with the rest.
And for those that thought my prior comment was ridiculous; he knew about his cancer in June and scheduled a procedure for November? How does that make any sense for a college basketball coach?
Also, when you're healthy enough to coach ... you come back. It's not complicated.
What he did, calling himself a GM and watching games from a suite was unprecedented. Tons of college coaches have dealt with that awful disease, and they all sat out and then came back when they had recovered.
I don't blame him at all for trying to come back early, and finding out he couldn't. That is completely understandable.
But what happened for the rest of the season was a joke. Him flying around recruiting while his team played games? Attending every game from a suite at msg but not coaching?
That's not the job you were hired for.
That is when the nonsense and games between Lavin and the University started. Whether you want to acknowledge that or not is fine, but I feel strongly
that he handled that about as poorly as possible.
This one has to take the cake. Desco, there can't possibly be any part of you that believes lavin would say "I have cancer, but I don't want it to be taken out yet. I'd rather leave it in and possibly increase my risk of dying so I can schedule it for when I won't have to coach desco's favorite basketball team." That's literally the craziest thing I've seen posted here. Besides the fact that "scheduling" the operation comes more from the doc advice(try other Methods of treatment first, pre op procedure ect....)than personal choice. I'm sorry man, I don't know what lavin did to you but I can say with certainty that no one is pushing off having cancer removed from their body solely so they can sabotage your hoops team. I hope that makes you feel a little better and eases some of your paranoia. As far as getting off topic. I apologize to those that are bothered by my post but I just can't see stuff like this posted and not say something.
Not to pile on here, but one of the side effects of prostate cancer treatment is the loss of control over your "plumbing", which might explain why Lavin felt more comfortable in a room near a bathroom following his surgery and treatment, then on the sidelines for an hour at a time. Just saying...
Yet comfortable on a plane?
With a restroom near by, per DFF's explanation.
It's like taking a dump in a Dixie cup. Whatever works I guess.
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Desco, please imagine how uncomfortable you'd be coaching a basketball game on national TV, without being able to control your bladder. And that's assuming that was the only issue. Have some empathy.
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Back on topic, does anyone believe the last assistant spot will be anyone other than Pinkney?
Nope. And I think Mitch takes the Keady job
Not sure about Mitch. He will not be able to coach, what would he gain by doing that?
Experience
Experience doing what exactly? He will not be able to coach, that is what he wants to do.
That's what I mean. It's a step in the right direction. Stay a year or 2 and learn in the big east
So he is suppose to learn to be a Coach by not being a coach yet some posters are concerned that CM doesn't have enough "X's and O's" experience on his staff although they all have actually been assistant coaches and Slice has been a HC. How does that make sense? You learn by doing, that is how you will be judged. You maybe right but I just don't see Mitch coming in to be a Mascot.
What's he doing now?
I think he is doing some scouting for the Kings, which is closer to being a coach than holding someone's clip board or handing the coach a drink of water.
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Back on topic, does anyone believe the last assistant spot will be anyone other than Pinkney?
Nope. And I think Mitch takes the Keady job
Not sure about Mitch. He will not be able to coach, what would he gain by doing that?
Experience
Experience doing what exactly? He will not be able to coach, that is what he wants to do.
That's what I mean. It's a step in the right direction. Stay a year or 2 and learn in the big east
So he is suppose to learn to be a Coach by not being a coach yet some posters are concerned that CM doesn't have enough "X's and O's" experience on his staff although they all have actually been assistant coaches and Slice has been a HC. How does that make sense? You learn by doing, that is how you will be judged. You maybe right but I just don't see Mitch coming in to be a Mascot.
Rather than "Mascot" I consider it an extremely high paid internship. He gets paid like an assistant coach but basically cane be Mullin's right hand man/advisor and learn straight from Mullin.
So Mitch is going to learn from someone with as much coaching experience as he and from others on the staff who doesn't have enough "X and O's" experience for CM? Why isn't he on the staff if that is what the plan is? We can certainly use him on the recruiting trail since we are down one. I can see how we would benefit from having him on the staff, I just don't see why Mitch would do it.
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Kind of agree with poison . Cleaning up the program was great. Sucking for so long wasn't. That never should of or had to happen .
Yes, they just kept Norm around too long. They thought he could both clean up the program and make us relevant again. He couldn't do the latter. Much like how I don't think Lavin could have both made us relevant AND a consistent winner. Laving was let go at the right time whereas Norm was kept 2 years too long
Lavin shoukd have been let go a year ago
And if he had been fired, we would have lost guys to transfer, not made the tournament, and we never get Mullin, Matt, and Slice. What's the point of doing this every few days? He took us back to respectability with two NCAA tournaments and handed the baton off to Mullin to get us to the next level. Do you know how easy it is to suck at St. John's. Say whatever you want, but we didn't suck under Lavin.
We also didn't suck under Mahoney, Fran, or Jarvis. Every coach post Louie has made the tournament and signed a top 20 recruit, besides Norm. So Lavin's success is on par with the rest.
And for those that thought my prior comment was ridiculous; he knew about his cancer in June and scheduled a procedure for November? How does that make any sense for a college basketball coach?
Also, when you're healthy enough to coach ... you come back. It's not complicated.
What he did, calling himself a GM and watching games from a suite was unprecedented. Tons of college coaches have dealt with that awful disease, and they all sat out and then came back when they had recovered.
I don't blame him at all for trying to come back early, and finding out he couldn't. That is completely understandable.
But what happened for the rest of the season was a joke. Him flying around recruiting while his team played games? Attending every game from a suite at msg but not coaching?
That's not the job you were hired for.
That is when the nonsense and games between Lavin and the University started. Whether you want to acknowledge that or not is fine, but I feel strongly
that he handled that about as poorly as possible.
Mahoney only had 1 good year and that was because of David Cain
You knock Lavin for being Lazy and now you are bashing him for recruiting players while he was recovering from cancer ? As I recall that recruiting got us Jakarr back into the fold as well as Obekpa and Branch
So he should have done nothing and let the team disintegrate after Gathers had already backed out
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You guys really dont think these dobo's and secondary assistants do any coaching?
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You guys really dont think these dobo's and secondary assistants dont do any coaching?
I'm sure they do but it's unofficial. I would believe that Mitch would have his choice of assistant coaching positions if he wanted it. Why relegate himself to an unofficial position.
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handed the baton off to Mullin
He didn't exactly hand off the baton. More like he forgot the baton under the table at Rao's after a late dinner and one of the waiters found it and turned it in to management and they returned it to SJU and then BG gave the baton to Mullin. All Lavin handed off to Mullin was a doggie bag full of crappy leftovers like Amar Amarovich and Felix Balamou.
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So Jordan and obekpa are not coming back?
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What benefit is derived from trashing people with negative and nasty comments? These degrade the value of this forum, the people who read and follow it, the people who are insulted and demeaned in the unnecessary comments, and, of course, the negative poster him (her) self. We need to practice Class and a constructive approach in expressing our observations and opinions! Think about it before you post.
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question is would jordan or obekpa be coming back with what was left over, not what the roster is now. And yes i know when they saw the 2 assistants they knew we would have alot of new recruits, ect.
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enough about Lavin, let us move on. A new day is here and let's hope it is sunny.
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Desco, please imagine how uncomfortable you'd be coaching a basketball game on national TV, without being able to control your bladder. And that's assuming that was the only issue. Have some empathy.
Again, I believe you guys misunderstand what I'm saying. My critique is not that he needed time off, or that it was too long, or that he tried to coach and found out he couldn't.
All of that is a reasonable and somewhat foreseeable effect of having the cancer he did, and the procedure he did. That's all understandable to me.
What I critize Steve Lavin for is how he left the program in his absence, and how he handled his absence. You are either able to lead the program or you're not, and you take a leave of absence.
It was a distraction and confusing to players and recruits when he was jetsetting around recruiting players but not coaching his own team in meaningful games.
Look at this timeline and explain to me how he handled this properly:
Fall 2010: Doctors detect cancer
April 2011: SL announces he has cancer and is undergoing treatment in the offseason. says "This past fall I didn't want to distract our team, but with the season behind us, we are now working with medical experts and taking the proper steps to tackle this health challenge head on" But yet, he didn't. At the time, Jim Calhoun wishes him luck and says ""I underwent surgery; he may not," Calhoun said. "But after the surgery I was back coaching in 12 days. Jim Boehim , who was diagnosed in 2001, says "We talked about a number of things. I think he's in real good position to handle this."
Boeheim said the treatment should not keep Lavin from his coaching responsibilities."Once he starts whatever he decides as a treatment he should be done with it within a short period of time," he said.
Our own Chris Monasch says: "We do not anticipate any disruption in his duties as our head coach, and thank all in advance for their support of Steve and respect for his family's privacy."
Oct 2011: SL has surgery.
Nov 2011: SL coaches 4 games.
Dec-Jan-Feb-March: SL coaches 0 games, attends games in a luxury suite, flys around the country recruiting. Lavin self describes himself as in "general manager mode", and may not return until next season.
April 2011: SL does studio analysis for CBSsports
How does that timeline make sense? As head coach you have a responsibility the organization to see that your absence is handled properly. CEOs have surgery and take leaves of absence, everyone wants them to take all the time they need to recover, but plan your absence in a responsible way. SL did not do that.
Contrary to popular opinion around here, I'm not a monster. I feel for the man and what he went through physcially, and I understand the embarrassing sideeffects his surgery can have.
Thats why I dont blame him for not coming back right away or for choosing not to coach game x, or game y. Come back when you're ready, I'm completely supportive of that.
But if you're feeling well enough to try to coach in November (4 games in a row), there is no way you can't coach in February or March. I just don't buy that.
And his job is to come back when he's able. Not before, but also certainly not to take more time than he needs either.
I also think his presence at games, but not coaching, is a distraction and frankly unheard of. If you can be there, then coach. If you can't coach, stay home and rest.
I hope this clears things up, because I believe I have a legitimate criticism that is being framed as if I'm not appreciating what the man went through. And that's not the case.
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Desco, not sure how young you are but life is not so simple. You criticize a guy for trying to come back too soon? He tried his best. That is wrong? . I am sure his doctors said it was ok to try. But it did not work. So you complain? Bladder problems are horrific. I hope you and your loved ones never have to go through it. But for those of us who have been around, what Lavin tried to do, and ultimately had to settle for, was perfectly understandable. You say having Lavin in the building was a distraction? And that is based on what? Since you were not in the locker room, your opinion is worth zero. You can speculate but it is not based on anything tangible. And it is unnecessary and mean spirited. You criticize him because he was in the CBS studio in April? Think there is a difference between readily available bathrooms in a studio, as opposed to being on sidelines in front of thousands. Lavin had a serious prostate operation that took hours longer than anticipated because of complications. Diapers and leakage are facts of life after such an operation. Lavin tries his best and you call him irresponsible for trying. Criticize Lavin for poor coaching, but this attack is just way off base. The irony here, of course, is that your hate for Lavin is such that if he had not tried to come back early, you would have criticized him for that. Please, let's end this discussion.
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Some things are more important then basketball. I think that's really all that needs to be said. Lets get back to Mullins staff which still has a few empty spots. He must have a couple verbal commitments for sure to wait this long.
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This thread is absolutely pathetic..
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He tried his best.
No he didn't. Either that or he's an incompetent buffoon. Take your pick.
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Desco, not sure how young you are but life is not so simple. You criticize a guy for trying to come back too soon? He tried his best. That is wrong? . I am sure his doctors said it was ok to try. But it did not work. So you complain? Bladder problems are horrific. I hope you and your loved ones never have to go through it. But for those of us who have been around, what Lavin tried to do, and ultimately had to settle for, was perfectly understandable. You say having Lavin in the building was a distraction? And that is based on what? Since you were not in the locker room, your opinion is worth zero. You can speculate but it is not based on anything tangible. And it is unnecessary and mean spirited. You criticize him because he was in the CBS studio in April? Think there is a difference between readily available bathrooms in a studio, as opposed to being on sidelines in front of thousands. Lavin had a serious prostate operation that took hours longer than anticipated because of complications. Diapers and leakage are facts of life after such an operation. Lavin tries his best and you call him irresponsible for trying. Criticize Lavin for poor coaching, but this attack is just way off base. The irony here, of course, is that your hate for Lavin is such that if he had not tried to come back early, you would have criticized him for that. Please, let's end this discussion.
I specifically don't criticize him for coming back too soon Loughlin. I get that. Makes a lot of sense.
But I disagree that it doesn't matter if he's in the building. It may not be a distraction (I think it is) but it's certainly a terrible perception. Its akin to a guy on disability or social security posting photographs from his latest vacation skiing or lounging on the beach. If you can't coach, you shouldn't be announcing on tv that season. You also shouldn't be schmoozing with felipe and other celebrities from a suite during our games, or flying to Cali to recruit when the team is flying to Marquette for a game.
That was a very trying season for the team, they were severely undermanned. Lavin's job was to come back and join his team as soon as he could.
Which at first he tried to do, and he had some complications. That's unfortunate.
But then he seemingly gave up on the season and started doing everything BUT coaching. His responsibility was to come back when he could.
If that was for 1 game, 2 games... whatever his health permitted. But I don't believe he couldn't coach 4 months later. Based on the typical recovery time (which I understand can vary significantly) but also based on all the other activities he was doing. Again, he had a responsibility to come back when he could.
He did the equivalent of milking an injury and staying on the DL longer than necessary. Fans criticize players for that all the time.
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And it fits in with a pattern that began to develop, whereby he displayed a lack of respect for St Johns. Mock what you don't understand, but I ask you this: would he have done the same things if he was coaching at UCLA?
I don't believe he would have. Just like I don't believe he would've started wearing sweatsuits.
By his own admission he felt no pressure to succeed here, and that attitude was reflected in how he treated his job.
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Desco, please imagine how uncomfortable you'd be coaching a basketball game on national TV, without being able to control your bladder. And that's assuming that was the only issue. Have some empathy.
Again, I believe you guys misunderstand what I'm saying. My critique is not that he needed time off, or that it was too long, or that he tried to coach and found out he couldn't.
All of that is a reasonable and somewhat foreseeable effect of having the cancer he did, and the procedure he did. That's all understandable to me.
What I critize Steve Lavin for is how he left the program in his absence, and how he handled his absence. You are either able to lead the program or you're not, and you take a leave of absence.
It was a distraction and confusing to players and recruits when he was jetsetting around recruiting players but not coaching his own team in meaningful games.
Look at this timeline and explain to me how he handled this properly:
Fall 2010: Doctors detect cancer
April 2011: SL announces he has cancer and is undergoing treatment in the offseason. says "This past fall I didn't want to distract our team, but with the season behind us, we are now working with medical experts and taking the proper steps to tackle this health challenge head on" But yet, he didn't. At the time, Jim Calhoun wishes him luck and says ""I underwent surgery; he may not," Calhoun said. "But after the surgery I was back coaching in 12 days. Jim Boehim , who was diagnosed in 2001, says "We talked about a number of things. I think he's in real good position to handle this."
Boeheim said the treatment should not keep Lavin from his coaching responsibilities."Once he starts whatever he decides as a treatment he should be done with it within a short period of time," he said.
Our own Chris Monasch says: "We do not anticipate any disruption in his duties as our head coach, and thank all in advance for their support of Steve and respect for his family's privacy."
Oct 2011: SL has surgery.
Nov 2011: SL coaches 4 games.
Dec-Jan-Feb-March: SL coaches 0 games, attends games in a luxury suite, flys around the country recruiting. Lavin self describes himself as in "general manager mode", and may not return until next season.
April 2011: SL does studio analysis for CBSsports
How does that timeline make sense? As head coach you have a responsibility the organization to see that your absence is handled properly. CEOs have surgery and take leaves of absence, everyone wants them to take all the time they need to recover, but plan your absence in a responsible way. SL did not do that.
Contrary to popular opinion around here, I'm not a monster. I feel for the man and what he went through physcially, and I understand the embarrassing sideeffects his surgery can have.
Thats why I dont blame him for not coming back right away or for choosing not to coach game x, or game y. Come back when you're ready, I'm completely supportive of that.
But if you're feeling well enough to try to coach in November (4 games in a row), there is no way you can't coach in February or March. I just don't buy that.
And his job is to come back when he's able. Not before, but also certainly not to take more time than he needs either.
I also think his presence at games, but not coaching, is a distraction and frankly unheard of. If you can be there, then coach. If you can't coach, stay home and rest.
I hope this clears things up, because I believe I have a legitimate criticism that is being framed as if I'm not appreciating what the man went through. And that's not the case.
Lavin was in a box at msg. Big deal. He didn't go to away games and sorry but no way do I think it was a distraction.
Here is the most important piece of the timeline which you are missing
Sept 2011 Jakarr decommits
Nov 8th Rico Gathers decommits- program recruiting now in free fall and all momentum Lavin had built is completely lost.
Nov 9th Lavin seeing this pushes himself and comes back to the sidelines to coach the very next day
Does it for 4 games and was way too much for him
So now Lavin being shown in box at msg ( actually a very smart move since every coach in america is using his health against him recruiting ) so now Lavin does what he can and uses time off to his advantage to try and salvage recruiting
Jan 9th 2012- Lavin gets Jamal Branch to transfer to us
March 14th- Lavin after recruiting Sampson back as hard as he can gets him to recommit to us
June 2012 Lavin after spending so much time trying to land Obekpa gets him to commit to us
None of that would have happened if Lavin didn't go out and recruit while he was recovering
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Desco give it a rest already. I cringe and quickly scroll down when I see your name on a thread. The program is moving in a positive direction and even Marco has moved on. Enjoy and look to the future.
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Desco, please imagine how uncomfortable you'd be coaching a basketball game on national TV, without being able to control your bladder. And that's assuming that was the only issue. Have some empathy.
Again, I believe you guys misunderstand what I'm saying. My critique is not that he needed time off, or that it was too long, or that he tried to coach and found out he couldn't.
All of that is a reasonable and somewhat foreseeable effect of having the cancer he did, and the procedure he did. That's all understandable to me.
What I critize Steve Lavin for is how he left the program in his absence, and how he handled his absence. You are either able to lead the program or you're not, and you take a leave of absence.
It was a distraction and confusing to players and recruits when he was jetsetting around recruiting players but not coaching his own team in meaningful games.
Look at this timeline and explain to me how he handled this properly:
Fall 2010: Doctors detect cancer
April 2011: SL announces he has cancer and is undergoing treatment in the offseason. says "This past fall I didn't want to distract our team, but with the season behind us, we are now working with medical experts and taking the proper steps to tackle this health challenge head on" But yet, he didn't. At the time, Jim Calhoun wishes him luck and says ""I underwent surgery; he may not," Calhoun said. "But after the surgery I was back coaching in 12 days. Jim Boehim , who was diagnosed in 2001, says "We talked about a number of things. I think he's in real good position to handle this."
Boeheim said the treatment should not keep Lavin from his coaching responsibilities."Once he starts whatever he decides as a treatment he should be done with it within a short period of time," he said.
Our own Chris Monasch says: "We do not anticipate any disruption in his duties as our head coach, and thank all in advance for their support of Steve and respect for his family's privacy."
Oct 2011: SL has surgery.
Nov 2011: SL coaches 4 games.
Dec-Jan-Feb-March: SL coaches 0 games, attends games in a luxury suite, flys around the country recruiting. Lavin self describes himself as in "general manager mode", and may not return until next season.
April 2011: SL does studio analysis for CBSsports
How does that timeline make sense? As head coach you have a responsibility the organization to see that your absence is handled properly. CEOs have surgery and take leaves of absence, everyone wants them to take all the time they need to recover, but plan your absence in a responsible way. SL did not do that.
Contrary to popular opinion around here, I'm not a monster. I feel for the man and what he went through physcially, and I understand the embarrassing sideeffects his surgery can have.
Thats why I dont blame him for not coming back right away or for choosing not to coach game x, or game y. Come back when you're ready, I'm completely supportive of that.
But if you're feeling well enough to try to coach in November (4 games in a row), there is no way you can't coach in February or March. I just don't buy that.
And his job is to come back when he's able. Not before, but also certainly not to take more time than he needs either.
I also think his presence at games, but not coaching, is a distraction and frankly unheard of. If you can be there, then coach. If you can't coach, stay home and rest.
I hope this clears things up, because I believe I have a legitimate criticism that is being framed as if I'm not appreciating what the man went through. And that's not the case.
Lavin was in a box at msg. Big deal. He didn't go to away games and sorry but no way do I think it was a distraction.
Here is the most important piece of the timeline which you are missing
Sept 2011 Jakarr decommits
Nov 8th Rico Gathers decommits- program recruiting now in free fall and all momentum Lavin had built is completely lost.
Nov 9th Lavin seeing this pushes himself and comes back to the sidelines to coach the very next day
Does it for 4 games and was way too much for him
So now Lavin being shown in box at msg ( actually a very smart move since every coach in america is using his health against him recruiting ) so now Lavin does what he can and uses time off to his advantage to try and salvage recruiting
Jan 9th 2012- Lavin gets Jamal Branch to transfer to us
March 14th- Lavin after recruiting Sampson back as hard as he can gets him to recommit to us
June 2012 Lavin after spending so much time trying to land Obekpa gets him to commit to us
None of that would have happened if Lavin didn't go out and recruit while he was recovering
sure sure sure, but everybody was so distracted, what don't you understand? the distraction!!
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Desco, not sure how young you are but life is not so simple. You criticize a guy for trying to come back too soon? He tried his best. That is wrong? . I am sure his doctors said it was ok to try. But it did not work. So you complain? Bladder problems are horrific. I hope you and your loved ones never have to go through it. But for those of us who have been around, what Lavin tried to do, and ultimately had to settle for, was perfectly understandable. You say having Lavin in the building was a distraction? And that is based on what? Since you were not in the locker room, your opinion is worth zero. You can speculate but it is not based on anything tangible. And it is unnecessary and mean spirited. You criticize him because he was in the CBS studio in April? Think there is a difference between readily available bathrooms in a studio, as opposed to being on sidelines in front of thousands. Lavin had a serious prostate operation that took hours longer than anticipated because of complications. Diapers and leakage are facts of life after such an operation. Lavin tries his best and you call him irresponsible for trying. Criticize Lavin for poor coaching, but this attack is just way off base. The irony here, of course, is that your hate for Lavin is such that if he had not tried to come back early, you would have criticized him for that. Please, let's end this discussion.
I specifically don't criticize him for coming back too soon Loughlin. I get that. Makes a lot of sense.
But I disagree that it doesn't matter if he's in the building. It may not be a distraction (I think it is) but it's certainly a terrible perception. Its akin to a guy on disability or social security posting photographs from his latest vacation skiing or lounging on the beach. If you can't coach, you shouldn't be announcing on tv that season. You also shouldn't be schmoozing with felipe and other celebrities from a suite during our games, or flying to Cali to recruit when the team is flying to Marquette for a game.
That was a very trying season for the team, they were severely undermanned. Lavin's job was to come back and join his team as soon as he could.
Which at first he tried to do, and he had some complications. That's unfortunate.
But then he seemingly gave up on the season and started doing everything BUT coaching. His responsibility was to come back when he could.
If that was for 1 game, 2 games... whatever his health permitted. But I don't believe he couldn't coach 4 months later. Based on the typical recovery time (which I understand can vary significantly) but also based on all the other activities he was doing. Again, he had a responsibility to come back when he could.
He did the equivalent of milking an injury and staying on the DL longer than necessary. Fans criticize players for that all the time.
Have you battled cancer? If not, how could you comment on his timeline? The problem with your take on Lavin is that you assume that he's a lazy piece of trash and base everything off of that. You are like 30 and (I'm assuming) have never been seriously ill. I think it's extremely unfair to comment on how a guy 20+ years older and stricken with a very serious illness should should respond. There is a huge difference between mustering the strength to travel ten minutes to MSG by car service and working the 80 hours per and dealing with the daily bs of babysitting 15 kids that D-1 coaches have to be up to task for. If you can't see that difference, you're a lost cause.
You are also cherry-picking and distorting the facts in your timeline. See MJMaher's for a more unbiased look at how things really went. You really need to move on from this. No reasonable poster could argue that Lavin wasn't a huge improvement over Roberts. Hopefully Mullin and staff can take momentum and get us back to where we belong .
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In other news, Richmond, Ed P. and T. Mullin would be great additions to the staff.
Patience is a virtue.
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His staff - let him and the school down. They should of tried to out work other staffs to recruit. Steve could of been the closer . Hines ? Did he recruit when he was here ?
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I hate to be the devil's (desco's) advocate, but I've been a clinician for the last 16 years. I know the ins and outs of the stuff quite well. The amount of time off in my opinion was a bit excessive for it to make any sense from a physical standpoint. What i will add though, is that I believe that Lavin had a lot of associated residual psychological damage that lead to his protracted withdrawal from head coaching duties. I don't think he ever really recovered from it mentally. I think Lavin did a good job of trying to come back from the psychological stuff, but in the end it fell short of the efforts we need for all the resources that were put in.
I will add that my biggest pet peeve of the entire thing is that Lavin sold SJU on paying for extraneous coaches like Keady, who while an icon was really just here to hang out in hotels and be part of an entourage. One that was not necessary, and im not entirely sure there weren't better choices than a guy like Rico Hines as well that didn't help us a ton on the recruiting trail.
It left Chiles to be the workhorse of our entire staff recruiting-wise with Lavin as the closer of course and he was good at that, when he was interested. I enjoyed the time Steve Lavin was here and I thought he did a decent job. I don't think he ever recovered from his surgery mentally, and I also think he got a little to accustomed to being a bit pampered. It was time to move on because he didn't leave much in the cupboard, and roster management was poor even though he could still land a few of the big dogs here and there.
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I hate to be the devil's (desco's) advocate, but I've been a clinician for the last 16 years. I know the ins and outs of the stuff quite well. The amount of time off in my opinion was a bit excessive for it to make any sense from a physical standpoint. What i will add though, is that I believe that Lavin had a lot of associated residual psychological damage that lead to his protracted withdrawal from head coaching duties. I don't think he ever really recovered from it mentally. I think Lavin did a good job of trying to come back from the psychological stuff, but in the end it fell short of the efforts we need for all the resources that were put in.
I will add that my biggest pet peeve of the entire thing is that Lavin sold SJU on paying for extraneous coaches like Keady, who while an icon was really just here to hang out in hotels and be part of an entourage. One that was not necessary, and im not entirely sure there weren't better choices than a guy like Rico Hines as well that didn't help us a ton on the recruiting trail.
It left Chiles to be the workhorse of our entire staff recruiting-wise with Lavin as the closer of course and he was good at that, when he was interested. I enjoyed the time Steve Lavin was here and I thought he did a decent job. I don't think he ever recovered from his surgery mentally, and I also think he got a little to accustomed to being a bit pampered. It was time to move on because he didn't leave much in the cupboard, and roster management was poor even though he could still land a few of the big dogs here and there.
I think that is an entirely fair and reasonable opinion
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I hate to be the devil's (desco's) advocate, but I've been a clinician for the last 16 years. I know the ins and outs of the stuff quite well. The amount of time off in my opinion was a bit excessive for it to make any sense from a physical standpoint. What i will add though, is that I believe that Lavin had a lot of associated residual psychological damage that lead to his protracted withdrawal from head coaching duties. I don't think he ever really recovered from it mentally. I think Lavin did a good job of trying to come back from the psychological stuff, but in the end it fell short of the efforts we need for all the resources that were put in.
I will add that my biggest pet peeve of the entire thing is that Lavin sold SJU on paying for extraneous coaches like Keady, who while an icon was really just here to hang out in hotels and be part of an entourage. One that was not necessary, and im not entirely sure there weren't better choices than a guy like Rico Hines as well that didn't help us a ton on the recruiting trail.
It left Chiles to be the workhorse of our entire staff recruiting-wise with Lavin as the closer of course and he was good at that, when he was interested. I enjoyed the time Steve Lavin was here and I thought he did a decent job. I don't think he ever recovered from his surgery mentally, and I also think he got a little to accustomed to being a bit pampered. It was time to move on because he didn't leave much in the cupboard, and roster management was poor even though he could still land a few of the big dogs here and there.
Fair take. I also agree that Lavin showed some residual psychological effects from the illness. Coaching isn't a typical 40 hour per week job and it can't help being constantly destroyed by two different sets of fans. I'm not blaming the fans...just acknowledging that Lavin is human.
There is no question that Lavin left himself shorthanded with his assistant selections. Rico Hines was dead weight. Seriously, compare him to either Matt A or Slice....not even close. Chiles was solid and the workhorse, but still not in the league of the two assistant we have now. To make things worse, Dunlap was useless on the recruiting trail when he was here and Whitesell wasn't hired in time to recruit for 2013-2014 and lacked the local recruiting connections to make a difference this past season.
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Lavin will be debated forever on here. Harrison, Dom, and Phil all thought he was a good coach and good guy. That should count for a lot. They wouldn't say those things if he was as lazy and incompetent as he is made out by some on here.
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To further add to MCN's thoughts which I think are certainly plausible. A really good friend of mine in my office who is a total stress ball with our job and worked pretty hard had a heart attack at 57 yrs old. It totally changed him. He still works but he has a much easier attitude and doesn't stress out like he did.
Compare that to someone else I knew who works for my company in our other office and he died of a heart attack in the office 2 weeks ago 52 years old. Health whether its physical or mental is a huge deal and I could totally see it changing someones attitude or workload
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Lavin was a good college basketball coach. Was he great in his time here? No. Could he have been if he wasn't let go? It's certainly possible and in my opinion he had us on the right track to be great. I think he would have been very successful here if allowed to continue. I know others disagree and that's fine.
With that said, I'm even happier with Mullin.
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Lavin was a good college basketball coach. Was he great in his time here? No. Could he have been if he wasn't let go? It's certainly possible and in my opinion he had us on the right track to be great. I think he would have been very successful here if allowed to continue. I know others disagree and that's fine.
With that said, I'm even happier with Mullin.
Successful if he could continue? Continue doing what?
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Can someone else please tell me to move on? I haven't heard that enough.
I don't see what's harmful in discussing the shortcomings of a coach we just let go. But for those of you who think it's an obsession; take a look at my posts on lovvett, mussini, the schedule and every other topic we have.
This conversation has run its course. I've said my piece, and obviously not everyone will agree with me. I can live with that.
my last two thoughts are that 1) mcn makes good points both about the psychological effects that may extend after the body has recovered(and may explain a prolonged absence), and I also agree with his point that Lavin seemingly acted pampered over time here.
Lastly, cancer is an awful thing. Everyone has been touched by it. But it's not a blanket excuse for every shortcoming in a person's life. You can have cancer and still treat your wife and kids like shit, you can have cancer and still be an alcoholic or drug abuser, you can have cancer and cheat on your taxes, and yes... you can have cancer and be bad at your job. It explains many things, and is worthy of extra sympathy and more understanding, a patient deserves extra slack I almost every circumstance, but it's not a blanket excuse.
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In other news, Richmond, Ed P. and T. Mullin would be great additions to the staff.
Patience is a virtue.
Please post in the Mullin Assistant coach Thread next time.
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I know I said I was done, but I just remembered something, and this will be my final thought:
After all that happened that season, sitting out while dunlap struggled with 5 players, the hanging out in suites, traveling, and broadcasting ...but not coaching, Lavin then had his agent contact west coast schools about potential job openings in april/may.
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Lavin was a good college basketball coach. Was he great in his time here? No. Could he have been if he wasn't let go? It's certainly possible and in my opinion he had us on the right track to be great. I think he would have been very successful here if allowed to continue. I know others disagree and that's fine.
With that said, I'm even happier with Mullin.
Successful if he could continue? Continue doing what?
Making the tournament. And I think he would have done even better than just making the tournament if allowed the chance. But we'll never know now.
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I know I said I was done, but I just remembered something, and this will be my final thought:
After all that happened that season, sitting out while dunlap struggled with 5 players, the hanging out in suites, traveling, and broadcasting ...but not coaching, Lavin then had his agent contact west coast schools about potential job openings in april/may.
Even if that is true WHO CARES!
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I know I said I was done, but I just remembered something, and this will be my final thought:
After all that happened that season, sitting out while dunlap struggled with 5 players, the hanging out in suites, traveling, and broadcasting ...but not coaching, Lavin then had his agent contact west coast schools about potential job openings in april/may.
Again the whole cancer thing just isn't worth mentioning in Desco's book. Let's just pretend he took the year off for nothing. He just took a nice, easy vacation where he could travel, hang out in suites and do whatever the hell he wanted. Damn, makes prostate cancer not sound so bad after all.
The dude missed a season with cancer. Get over it. It's a completely valid excuse. And you may disagree with the way he handled it but you are not his doctor, nor to you know what he could/could not do. Not every case of prostate cancer is the same. So the only people who know just how much time he "should" have missed due to this life-threatening illness are his family and his doctor.
Also, do you have a link that confirms Lavin was looking for potential HC jobs that year while under contract at SJU?
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Desco- Last thoughts and finally? Thank God! That's it? You promise?
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I know I said I was done, but I just remembered something, and this will be my final thought:
After all that happened that season, sitting out while dunlap struggled with 5 players, the hanging out in suites, traveling, and broadcasting ...but not coaching, Lavin then had his agent contact west coast schools about potential job openings in april/may.
Again the whole cancer thing just isn't worth mentioning in Desco's book. Let's just pretend he took the year off for nothing. He just took a nice, easy vacation where he could travel, hang out in suites and do whatever the hell he wanted. Damn, makes prostate cancer not sound so bad after all.
The dude missed a season with cancer. Get over it. It's a completely valid excuse. And you may disagree with the way he handled it but you are not his doctor, nor to you know what he could/could not do. Not every case of prostate cancer is the same. So the only people who know just how much time he "should" have missed due to this life-threatening illness are his family and his doctor.
Also, do you have a link that confirms Lavin was looking for potential HC jobs that year while under contract at SJU?
I remember Lavin and Maryann flat out saying that rumor wasn't true
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I know I said I was done, but I just remembered something, and this will be my final thought:
After all that happened that season, sitting out while dunlap struggled with 5 players, the hanging out in suites, traveling, and broadcasting ...but not coaching, Lavin then had his agent contact west coast schools about potential job openings in april/may.
I could understand your feelings on Lavin if we were a bad team under him. We weren't. From 2003-4 season until he took over in 2010-11, we were terrible. Awful. An embarrassment. We had TEN juniors and a fifth-year senior and we went 6-12 in the Big East the year before...6-12 before that and 5-11 before that. In four seasons as coach, he won seven more conference games than SJU did in the seven season prior to his hire. In four seasons as a coach, he won 20 or more games three times, made two tournaments and two NITs.
For his career, he won 20 or more games nine out of eleven seasons. Sure, he has his shortcomings...he didn't plan the roster well and he didn't utilize transfers and grad transfers well at all. He got two kids to the NBA, all of his kids that stayed graduated (some early), and they all speak glowingly about him. We suffered a few minor hiccups, but no crazy embarrassments during his tenure.
He was just what we needed at the time. Even if he stopped coaching (as you claim) after the 10-11 season, that recruiting class and that amazing run was enough for people to take us seriously for the first time in a decade.
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I know I said I was done, but I just remembered something, and this will be my final thought:
After all that happened that season, sitting out while dunlap struggled with 5 players, the hanging out in suites, traveling, and broadcasting ...but not coaching, Lavin then had his agent contact west coast schools about potential job openings in april/may.
Again the whole cancer thing just isn't worth mentioning in Desco's book. Let's just pretend he took the year off for nothing. He just took a nice, easy vacation where he could travel, hang out in suites and do whatever the hell he wanted. Damn, makes prostate cancer not sound so bad after all.
The dude missed a season with cancer. Get over it. It's a completely valid excuse. And you may disagree with the way he handled it but you are not his doctor, nor to you know what he could/could not do. Not every case of prostate cancer is the same. So the only people who know just how much time he "should" have missed due to this life-threatening illness are his family and his doctor.
Also, do you have a link that confirms Lavin was looking for potential HC jobs that year while under contract at SJU?
I remember Lavin and Maryann flat out saying that rumor wasn't true
Would a coach ever say 'Yes I was looking for other jobs' to the media while he's employed at a school?
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Have any of you looked for a new job? EVERYONE is looking for a better situation?
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I know I said I was done, but I just remembered something, and this will be my final thought:
After all that happened that season, sitting out while dunlap struggled with 5 players, the hanging out in suites, traveling, and broadcasting ...but not coaching, Lavin then had his agent contact west coast schools about potential job openings in april/may.
Again the whole cancer thing just isn't worth mentioning in Desco's book. Let's just pretend he took the year off for nothing. He just took a nice, easy vacation where he could travel, hang out in suites and do whatever the hell he wanted. Damn, makes prostate cancer not sound so bad after all.
The dude missed a season with cancer. Get over it. It's a completely valid excuse. And you may disagree with the way he handled it but you are not his doctor, nor to you know what he could/could not do. Not every case of prostate cancer is the same. So the only people who know just how much time he "should" have missed due to this life-threatening illness are his family and his doctor.
Also, do you have a link that confirms Lavin was looking for potential HC jobs that year while under contract at SJU?
I remember Lavin and Maryann flat out saying that rumor wasn't true
Would a coach ever say 'Yes I was looking for other jobs' to the media while he's employed at a school?
By the same token you know how easy it is for people to spread a rumorI that someone is looking for a job when he isn't ? fwiw I know for a fact Maryann told people privately they weren't looking to leave NY
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People keep this conversation going and say well Lavin was the coach last year so it makes sense to talk about him. 100% agree but start a new thread! This is supposed to be about Mullins staff. Lavin has zero to do with Mullins staff so this is getting ridiculous. What's the point of a thread if things having zero to do with topic are discussed. Take it elsewhere so we can talk the future of the program which is what the thread is actually about
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I know I said I was done, but I just remembered something, and this will be my final thought:
After all that happened that season, sitting out while dunlap struggled with 5 players, the hanging out in suites, traveling, and broadcasting ...but not coaching, Lavin then had his agent contact west coast schools about potential job openings in april/may.
Again the whole cancer thing just isn't worth mentioning in Desco's book. Let's just pretend he took the year off for nothing. He just took a nice, easy vacation where he could travel, hang out in suites and do whatever the hell he wanted. Damn, makes prostate cancer not sound so bad after all.
The dude missed a season with cancer. Get over it. It's a completely valid excuse. And you may disagree with the way he handled it but you are not his doctor, nor to you know what he could/could not do. Not every case of prostate cancer is the same. So the only people who know just how much time he "should" have missed due to this life-threatening illness are his family and his doctor.
Also, do you have a link that confirms Lavin was looking for potential HC jobs that year while under contract at SJU?
I remember Lavin and Maryann flat out saying that rumor wasn't true
Would a coach ever say 'Yes I was looking for other jobs' to the media while he's employed at a school?
Is that the only proof we have that this rumor is true? Sounds like it. Desco trying to degrade Lavin further by spreading a rumor which in all likelihood is false.
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I know I said I was done, but I just remembered something, and this will be my final thought:
After all that happened that season, sitting out while dunlap struggled with 5 players, the hanging out in suites, traveling, and broadcasting ...but not coaching, Lavin then had his agent contact west coast schools about potential job openings in april/may.
Again the whole cancer thing just isn't worth mentioning in Desco's book. Let's just pretend he took the year off for nothing. He just took a nice, easy vacation where he could travel, hang out in suites and do whatever the hell he wanted. Damn, makes prostate cancer not sound so bad after all.
The dude missed a season with cancer. Get over it. It's a completely valid excuse. And you may disagree with the way he handled it but you are not his doctor, nor to you know what he could/could not do. Not every case of prostate cancer is the same. So the only people who know just how much time he "should" have missed due to this life-threatening illness are his family and his doctor.
Also, do you have a link that confirms Lavin was looking for potential HC jobs that year while under contract at SJU?
I remember Lavin and Maryann flat out saying that rumor wasn't true
Would a coach ever say 'Yes I was looking for other jobs' to the media while he's employed at a school?
Is that the only proof we have that this rumor is true? Sounds like it. Desco trying to degrade Lavin further by spreading a rumor which in all likelihood is false.
No I'm just saying that Lavin and his wife telling the media they weren't looking for a new job means absolutely 0. No coach would ever say that he was looking for other jobs while still employed at the same school. Means just as much as unsubstantiated rumors
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Lavin was a good college basketball coach. Was he great in his time here? No. Could he have been if he wasn't let go? It's certainly possible and in my opinion he had us on the right track to be great. I think he would have been very successful here if allowed to continue. I know others disagree and that's fine.
With that said, I'm even happier with Mullin.
Successful if he could continue? Continue doing what?
Producing no success with no players.
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I know I said I was done, but I just remembered something, and this will be my final thought:
After all that happened that season, sitting out while dunlap struggled with 5 players, the hanging out in suites, traveling, and broadcasting ...but not coaching, Lavin then had his agent contact west coast schools about potential job openings in april/may.
Again the whole cancer thing just isn't worth mentioning in Desco's book. Let's just pretend he took the year off for nothing. He just took a nice, easy vacation where he could travel, hang out in suites and do whatever the hell he wanted. Damn, makes prostate cancer not sound so bad after all.
The dude missed a season with cancer. Get over it. It's a completely valid excuse. And you may disagree with the way he handled it but you are not his doctor, nor to you know what he could/could not do. Not every case of prostate cancer is the same. So the only people who know just how much time he "should" have missed due to this life-threatening illness are his family and his doctor.
Also, do you have a link that confirms Lavin was looking for potential HC jobs that year while under contract at SJU?
I remember Lavin and Maryann flat out saying that rumor wasn't true
Would a coach ever say 'Yes I was looking for other jobs' to the media while he's employed at a school?
lol The exact same thing that I was thinking. I could go on about how terrible he was, but why?
He's gone and done with.
Now on to a brighter future.
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At this point I rather read Iona thread then this nonsense.... Cue baldi
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People keep this conversation going and say well Lavin was the coach last year so it makes sense to talk about him. 100% agree but start a new thread! This is supposed to be about Mullins staff. Lavin has zero to do with Mullins staff so this is getting ridiculous. What's the point of a thread if things having zero to do with topic are discussed. Take it elsewhere so we can talk the future of the program which is what the thread is actually about
I like that idea.
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Why is it that we haven't heard much about Mullin filling out the rest of his staff? Right now we just have Mullin, Matt and Slice. Doesn't mully have to hire 2-3 more staff members...soooo where are they?
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Why is it that we haven't heard much about Mullin filling out the rest of his staff? Right now we just have Mullin, Matt and Slice. Doesn't mully have to hire 2-3 more staff members...soooo where are they?
Because last I checked the Chicago Bulls were still playing.
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I stayed off the site for two days and I come back to 8 pages of this crap. Wow.
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1) Can a mod please start a new thread of move the off-topic posts to a Lavin thread? It would be much appreciated
2) Pickney and Richmond still seem like the most likely options for the third assistant spot and DOBO, correct? This is more directed at those "in the know"
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this thread has convinced me that many of you can BS about paint drying
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Well first we need to know what brand of paint, and of course the color. Then we can definitely tear the drying paint apart for its shortcomings. Sure some will defend the drying paint for trying real hard, but some of us will detest it for not drying fast enough . As is life on the message boards.
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Who cares? Existing two assistants are some of the best in the business and are killing it thus far. Furthermore, Abdelmassih bleeds SJU red. Like I said, the rest is gravy. If I have one wish, it is that at least one more of the existing staff is a SJU guy. There have to be qualified guys out there and I love having guys on staff with more incentive than just their paychecks. With a guy like Abdelmassih, we know where his heart lies and that its not just a paycheck.
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Who cares? Existing two assistants are some of the best in the business and are killing it thus far. Furthermore, Abdelmassih bleeds SJU red. Like I said, the rest is gravy. If I have one wish, it is that at least one more of the existing staff is a SJU guy. There have to be qualified guys out there and I love having guys on staff with more incentive than just their paychecks. With a guy like Abdelmassih, we know where his heart lies and that its not just a paycheck.
Good point.
Although with Mullin and Matt A we've got some pretty good ties to the school for a change. And there's a good chance Terrence is on the staff in some shape or form too.
But I get what you mean, and agree. It's nice to have some guys who appreciate the SJU tradition
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I have long wished for the DOBO to go to a guy like Grant, Zendon, Lopez, Singelton, Mullin etc. We need guys who want St. Johns to be a great program again.
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I have long wished for the DOBO to go to a guy like Grant, Zendon, Lopez, Singelton, Mullin etc. We need guys who want St. Johns to be a great program again.
I don't think it will be Felipe or Zendon
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I have long wished for the DOBO to go to a guy like Grant, Zendon, Lopez, Singelton, Mullin etc. We need guys who want St. Johns to be a great program again.
I don't think it will be Felipe or Zendon
Zendon volunteered last year, I would love him on the staff
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Names I've heard. Matt A. Slice, PJ. Carlessimo, Ed Pinkney.
How about Chris, Eddie P, Matt A, Slice and Terrence as DOBO.
4 kids from Brooklyn and 1 from the Bronx. Nothing more New York than that!!!! LOL!!!
Not Terence but everyone else fell into place.
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Adam Zagoria
@AdamZagoria
All signs point to Ed Pinckney joining Chris Mullin's staff at St. John's after the Bulls season ends, sources told @SNYtv
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Adam Zagoria
@AdamZagoria
All signs point to Ed Pinckney joining Chris Mullin's staff at St. John's after the Bulls season ends, sources told @SNYtv
I would love to see this happen--a good guy and a city guy. Step down from NBA assistant to College assistant-yes; but sometimes you have to go back to go forward. This could get him a college HC job in one to two years. In the interim he gives more next level cred and someone who can work with our big men. Ed, like Chris, always gave a 100% and that is what Chris wants to instill in his players.
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Wow, awesome.
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Adam Zagoria
@AdamZagoria
All signs point to Ed Pinckney joining Chris Mullin's staff at St. John's after the Bulls season ends, sources told @SNYtv
Sources told? We've known this for over a month, cmon zags
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Bulls are done. Come on over Ed. Can't wait for this to be official, excellent addition.
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Read the quotes from Noah and Boozer.
http://www.csnchicago.com/bulls/bulls-assistant-ed-pinckney-future-head-coach
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Read the quotes from Noah and Boozer.
http://www.csnchicago.com/bulls/bulls-assistant-ed-pinckney-future-head-coach
great find on the article
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This could take more time than we thought. If Tibs is fired...the head coaching job could go to Pinckney.
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This could take more time than we thought. If Tibs is fired...the head coaching job could go to Pinckney.
I don't think they have Pinkney on their radar. I think there was a lot of talk of Hoiberg being the runaway leader for the job. I think Pinkney will head here, and he would be a great addition not only from coaching perspective but he can also really recruit.
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This could take more time than we thought. If Tibs is fired...the head coaching job could go to Pinckney.
I really doubt that. What are you basing this off? He is going to be a head coach somewhere at some point but that Bulls job is a very good job and I dont think Pinckney a guy on Tibs staff would get the nod.
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This could take more time than we thought. If Tibs is fired...the head coaching job could go to Pinckney.
I really doubt that. What are you basing this off? He is going to be a head coach somewhere at some point but that Bulls job is a very good job and I dont think Pinckney a guy on Tibs staff would get the nod.
If they get rib of Thibs, they are starting over with a brand new staff.
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Gentry or Hoiberg. Cal is dark horse.
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Gentry or Hoiberg. Cal is dark horse.
Monty Williams
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@StJohnsBBall: .@StJohnsBBall coaching staff dropped by the @UnderArmour Brand House in SoHo #SJUBB #NYC http://t.co/bq5jobh9A5
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I am hopeful Eddie joins the staff soon so that he can get involved with the 16 recruits but I guess the shoe needs to drop with Thibs first
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@StJohnsBBall: .@StJohnsBBall coaching staff dropped by the @UnderArmour Brand House in SoHo #SJUBB #NYC http://t.co/bq5jobh9A5 (http://t.co/bq5jobh9A5)
I don't know if you saw me talk about it about a month ago, but the new headquarters in Baltimore is going to be amazing.
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Mullin looks like he can still run the floor no problem and drop 20
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http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/237990/Bulls-Fire-Tom-Thibodeau
Come on Ed P. Let's get this party started. Good coach Tom is however I think players just started to tune him out!
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http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/237990/Bulls-Fire-Tom-Thibodeau (http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/237990/Bulls-Fire-Tom-Thibodeau)
Come on Ed P. Let's get this party started. Good coach Tom is however I think players just started to tune him out!
Actually, the players played hard for Thib and liked playing for him. The front office simply has extreme contempt for him because they're not realistic about the role injuries and circumstance played during his run. Sometimes stuff happens, and a front office has to figure it out. If they don't, they're rolling the dice...and hoping to get lucky with next hire. It could backfire if injuries keep happening to key players.
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http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/237990/Bulls-Fire-Tom-Thibodeau (http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/237990/Bulls-Fire-Tom-Thibodeau)
Come on Ed P. Let's get this party started. Good coach Tom is however I think players just started to tune him out!
Actually, the players played hard for Thib and liked playing for him. The front office simply has extreme contempt for him because they're not realistic about the role injuries and circumstance played during his run. Sometimes stuff happens, and a front office has to figure it out. If they don't, they're rolling the dice...and hoping to get lucky with next hire. It could backfire if injuries keep happening to key players.
Thibs is not without fault. He runs his players into the ground. Just like Kobe before he hurt his knee under D'Antoni, while its going on and they are not hurt, the players love it....then the injuries come.
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Twitter conversation between Mark Jones of ESPN and Jeff Goodman:
MarkJonesESPN @MarkJonesESPN · 15 hours ago
Wouldn't be surprised if Fred Hoiberg retained Bulls Asst Coach Ed Pinckney. Hoiberg tried to hire him at Iowa St a few years ago.
MarkJonesESPN @MarkJonesESPN · 11 hours ago
Bulls Asst Ed Pinckney was responsible for game planning on both ends of the court and is highly regarded league wide.Head coach material💯
Jeff Goodman @GoodmanESPN · 11 hours ago
@MarkJonesESPN Pinckney is terrific. Could also end up on Mullin's staff at St. John's.
Jeff Goodman @GoodmanESPN · 11 hours ago
@AminESPN @MarkJonesESPN There has also been some chatter that he is looking at Mitch Ritchmond.
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Hoiberg on Pinckney: "I've actually already met with a couple of assistants that are already here ... Ed was in Minnesota when I was there. I have a terrific relationship with Ed."
Wonder who our plan B is?
Pecora? :2funny:
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@NYPost_Brazille: Chris Mullin also said he plans to hire an assistant coach before live july recruiting period. Said there are a few options. #sjubb
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Thanks Paultz. Any idea who else is in the running besides Ed P?
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Thanks Paultz. Any idea who else is in the running besides Ed P?
Nope
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Everyone still hearing Pinckney?
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Everyone still hearing Pinckney?
Appears they still want him.
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Everyone still hearing Pinckney?
Appears they still want him.
It seems like a tough sell to me.
Bulls AC job can pay more, sets up EP better for head coaching gig.
Mullin can say he's eventually heading back to the NBA as a HC, but where would that leave Pinckney? He wants a HC gig, not another AC gig.
I do not see how the puzzle pieces fit for us. I hope they do, just cannot see the inside angle.
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Mitch Richmond in town for the SJU bball dinner tonight. He introduced Mullin. Hopefully a DoBo announcement is coming soon
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You would think an announcement about an assistant should be coming very soon. Mullin said he would have a new coach on board for the July recruiting period so we should be hearing pretty soon.
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So Jim Boylen is a hot coaching name and was second assistant under Pop in san antonio. He just took an assistant/associate head coach job with fred hoiberg in Chicago over the weekend. I know Fred really wanted Ed P to stay on as asistant in chicago and i thought that associate head coach spot was mentioned, may be good news for us that boylen took the top spot. Also anybody know about this luca viriglio kid? He’s GA with SJU and has been for a few years but people on twitter are mentioning him as being big with internationals. I dont know how much effect a GA can really have on recruiting but i found the comments interesting.
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http://www.redstormsports.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/luca_virgilio_935450.html
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http://www.redstormsports.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/luca_virgilio_935450.html
Haha not the hire I was hoping for but Ill take it.
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http://www.redstormsports.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/luca_virgilio_935450.html
Haha not the hire I was hoping for but Ill take it.
Hails from Italy. Wonder if Moose had anything to do with this? Not poster Moose, although maybe he did too...
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That guy was one of Lavin's GA's. He's not a full-time assistant and I think he has one more year left as a GA.
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That guy was one of Lavin's GA's. He's not a full-time assistant and I think he has one more year left as a GA.
Correct
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Heard Pinckney unlikely due to Nova alumni pressure. Mitch Richmond still under contract with the Warriors until end of the month.
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Heard Pinckney unlikely due to Nova alumni pressure. Mitch Richmond still under contract with the Warriors until end of the month.
Smells like fear... Need to offer him the dough and bring him in just because...😡😉
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There is a bulls rumor account tweeting hoiberg is finalizing the staff with pinckney as AC and saying kc johnson (Chicago tribune Bulls writer) is the source. I've heard that Ed P was the absolute main target for the last AC job. Anybody know where we turn now?
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Cornell Mann....?
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Pinckney, Richmond and Rowan out
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Was Rowan even considered?
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Pinckney, Richmond and Rowan out
You hearing any names that are being considered or who is interested?
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My understand is that Rowan wasn't in the equation.
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Marco, you hear Richmond out entirely? I've heard special assistant but not AC. Is grasso in mix for last AC?
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Wish Mario Elie, old Mullin teammate, was an option.
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Have also heard Mitch will not be joining.
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Well that sucks
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My understand is that Rowan wasn't in the equation.
Ditto. Not to mention, Pinckney was eliminated a couple of weeks ago.
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I don't think it's a big deal either way. They'll hire the right guy, plus as is our staff is loaded.
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The staff needs help...like coaches who can develop talent. A notable one is available. Stephen Curry said he was instrumental to his success. Monta Ellis went from a second rounder to a star working with him. Trevor Ariza says he turned his game around.
Call Rico Hines today!! If the players want to put in the work, they'll improve under Hines.
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The staff needs help...like coaches who can develop talent. A notable one is available. Stephen Curry said he was instrumental to his success. Monta Ellis went from a second rounder to a star working with him. Trevor Ariza says he turned his game around.
Call Rico Hines today!! If the players want to put in the work, they'll improve under Hines.
Oh god no. Please, no.
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The staff needs help...like coaches who can develop talent. A notable one is available. Stephen Curry said he was instrumental to his success. Monta Ellis went from a second rounder to a star working with him. Trevor Ariza says he turned his game around.
Call Rico Hines today!! If the players want to put in the work, they'll improve under Hines.
Are there quotes from Curry? I need a good laugh today
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The staff needs help...like coaches who can develop talent. A notable one is available. Stephen Curry said he was instrumental to his success. Monta Ellis went from a second rounder to a star working with him. Trevor Ariza says he turned his game around.
Call Rico Hines today!! If the players want to put in the work, they'll improve under Hines.
Oh god no. Please, no.
To rip off part of the news release on Hines:
Hines on-court tutelage aided in the development of 2013 BIG EAST Rookie of the Year JaKarr Sampson, 2012 BIG EAST Rookie of the Year Maurice Harkless, the 15th pick in that year's NBA Draft, 2011 BIG EAST Most Improved Player Dwight Hardy, 2011 BIG EAST Sixth Man of the Year Justin Burrell, and 1,500-point scorer and 2014 All-BIG EAST first team selection D'Angelo Harrison.After three years mentoring Harrison, he became the first St. John's player since 2002 to earn the prestigious Haggerty Award (2014), which is presented annually to the top college basketball player in the metropolitan area.
He was first hired by St. John's legend and former Golden State executive Chris Mullin.
In his role with Golden State from 2006-10, Hines worked closely on the court with players throughout the season to assist in their overall skill development and game preparation. Additionally, Hines was largely involved with the players' off-season training, having worked with several Warriors, particularly the guards, over the summers - a list that includes Baron Davis, Stephen Curry, Anthony Morrow, Monta Ellis, Stephen Jackson, Al Harrington and Matt Barnes.
Curry, who set the NBA record for most 3-pointers made by a rookie in 2009-10 with 133 and who was the runner-up for the league's 2010 Rookie of the Year award, "Rico Hines is a hard working, dedicated coach. When working out with Rico, he gives you a blueprint to what is going to improve your skill set while making you a more confident and able player. It was a pleasure to work with Rico and I feel that he was instrumental in the success that I experienced during my rookie year."
"Rico Hines has a love and passion for the game that is unmatched," said Davis a 14-year NBA veteran and two-time All-Star. "He lives for the game and will always go the extra mile to help someone better their game. He is a players coach."
Under Hines' tutelage, Monta Ellis was named Most Improved Player in the NBA (2006-07) after elevating his scoring average from 6.8 points per game to 16.5, and Anthony Morrow became the first rookie ever to lead the NBA in three-point field goal shooting, hitting at a .467 clip (2008-09).
In addition to his work with Golden State's players, Hines worked closely with numerous NBA and collegiate players during the offseason in recent years - including Trevor Ariza, Hakim Warrick, Marcus Williams, J.R. Smith, Ryan Hollins, Brandon Bass, Glen "Big Baby" Davis, Darren Collison, Marcus Morris, Markeiff Morris, Antoine Wright, Jeff Pendergraph and Morrow - coaching and training individuals in preparation for the rigors of an NBA season.
Said Ariza of Hines, "He is phenomenal. He is going to get the best out of you every time you step on the court. Whatever he sees in the young kids, he is going to go out there and make sure they reach their full potential. That's just the type of person he is. When he played, he worked hard, and as a coach, he works even harder."
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Is this possible? Would he return if asked?
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Is this possible? Would he return if asked?
Not sure if he had contract through next season but if you were out of work as coach this late in the cycle, would have to think he takes it...
BUT. . a guy like him can make a lot of money doing 1x1 player work outs in the off season. NBA guys will pay a lot of money to get people they trust in to work them out privately.
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He is not returning.
Move along nothing to see here.
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He is not returning.
Move along nothing to see here.
Thank you
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He is not returning.
Move along nothing to see here.
The truth has been spoken... no one else say a word
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Patience was deserved a month ago, and any worries about the makeup of the staff, up until now, were surely premature.
But I think it's curious that we still don't have a third assistant or Dobo. It's not the end of the world of course, but there had been some big names bandied about, and now they appear to be out of the picture.
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We're also looking for an AD since Monasch was slam dunked. Apparently none of this is hurting recruiting...that's the bottom line.
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3rd assistant will be in place before staff goes on the road :)
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3rd assistant will be in place before staff goes on the road :)
Any hints, happy?
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3rd assistant will be in place before staff goes on the road :)
Any hints, happy?
Unfortunately i do not . I guess I shouldn't have told the ending without telling the story. I was just told that 3rd AC will be in place by next week. Hopefully it is the case :)
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3rd assistant will be in place before staff goes on the road :)
Any hints, happy?
Unfortunately i do not . I guess I shouldn't have told the ending without telling the story. I was just told that 3rd AC will be in place by next week. Hopefully it is the case :)
Lebron and D Wade become available at midnight:)
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3rd assistant will be in place before staff goes on the road :)
Should be in place by the end of this weekend I heard.
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3rd assistant will be in place before staff goes on the road :)
Should be in place by the end of this weekend I heard.
One of guys previously under consideration perhaps?
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Rico Hines??? Oh, wait :(
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3rd assistant will be in place before staff goes on the road :)
Should be in place by the end of this weekend I heard.
One of guys previously under consideration perhaps?
Yes.
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Is the whopper available to coach the bigs?.....one of the all-time smartest big men who made the most of his limited talent....wonder what he is doing?
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Is the whopper available to coach the bigs?.....one of the all-time smartest big men who made the most of his limited talent....wonder what he is doing?
If we are talking about alums, why not Rob Werdann? He's coached as an assistant with 3 NBA teams. I believe he's a scout for the Pistons now.
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Is the whopper available to coach the bigs?.....one of the all-time smartest big men who made the most of his limited talent....wonder what he is doing?
If we are talking about alums, why not Rob Werdann? He's coached as an assistant with 3 NBA teams. I believe he's a scout for the Pistons now.
He would be good.
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@TheBBallDiary: It's not on St John's site but Chris Mullin brought in a Sacramento Kings guy. Probably going to be an assistant.
Richmond's name out there a bit today. We'll see. St. Jean fits that criteria too.
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@TheBBallDiary: It's not on St John's site but Chris Mullin brought in a Sacramento Kings guy. Probably going to be an assistant.
Richmond's name out there a bit today. We'll see. St. Jean fits that criteria too.
Fwiw, I hear Richmond is a no go.
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@TheBBallDiary: It's not on St John's site but Chris Mullin brought in a Sacramento Kings guy. Probably going to be an assistant.
Richmond's name out there a bit today. We'll see. St. Jean fits that criteria too.
I'm thinking St. Jean. BBallDiary guy would've been more specific if it was Richmond.
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St Jean on campus as we speak
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I'm thinking St. Jean is on staff but not 3rd man.
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I believe St Jean is in line for Administrative position.
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Are we talking about the old man or the son?
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St jean is also a "skills" guy I think. has good pedigree and Mullin has working ties with him. Would be a good hire. I'm sure he wants assistants on board for recruiting period.
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Are we talking about the old man or the son?
Son
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Are we talking about the old man or the son?
Son Greg
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The son I am told will be DOBO
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I know the dad was a good exec, but he was also one of the worst coaches ever in the nba
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I know the dad was a good exec, but he was also one of the worst coaches ever in the nba
Doesn't mean not a good coach overall. Pitino and Cal both sucked bad in the NBA as have many. It's a different animal.
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Son is also an analytics guy, right? Not sure how much the prior staff relied on that but I think it has its place, along with traditional means of scouting and player evaluation.
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I just read he graduated high school 2009 meaning he's ~24. I feel like that's a little young, no? Not saying it's not a good hire but seems like a lot of responsibility for someone who's essentially fresh out of school
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I just read he graduated high school 2009 meaning he's ~24. I feel like that's a little young, no? Not saying it's not a good hire but seems like a lot of responsibility for someone who's essentially fresh out of school
Abdelmessih not far our of college either and he's killing it. Likely he will be a DOBO but even if not, he played college and has been doing skills stuff for NBA for a few years. In addition, his father an NBA coach. So he's not qualified for DOBO spot, yet Kevin Willard with similar background, is more qualified as head coach of a Big East program? I don't think it has any indication of his abilities.. He's also supposedly got a relentless work ethic ala Mullin so I see why he'd be a guy Mullin would love..
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Son is also an analytics guy, right? Not sure how much the prior staff relied on that but I think it has its place, along with traditional means of scouting and player evaluation.
I agree. Especially defensively. Cal, Pitino, Uconn have all put in systems to track their players movements on the court during home games and practices.
Also can be used to measure activity or effort in practice.
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I just read he graduated high school 2009 meaning he's ~24. I feel like that's a little young, no? Not saying it's not a good hire but seems like a lot of responsibility for someone who's essentially fresh out of school
Abdelmessih not far our of college either and he's killing it. Likely he will be a DOBO but even if not, he played college and has been doing skills stuff for NBA for a few years. In addition, his father an NBA coach. So he's not qualified for DOBO spot, yet Kevin Willard with similar background, is more qualified as head coach of a Big East program? I don't think it has any indication of his abilities.. He's also supposedly got a relentless work ethic ala Mullin so I see why he'd be a guy Mullin would love..
How can you compare this kid to Kevin Willard, their backgrounds in terms of basketball resume are not remotely similar.
Willard put in his time as an NBA & Div I assistant under a Hall of Famer and then was a head coach at lower level before moving to be head coach in Big East.
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I just read he graduated high school 2009 meaning he's ~24. I feel like that's a little young, no? Not saying it's not a good hire but seems like a lot of responsibility for someone who's essentially fresh out of school
Abdelmessih not far our of college either and he's killing it. Likely he will be a DOBO but even if not, he played college and has been doing skills stuff for NBA for a few years. In addition, his father an NBA coach. So he's not qualified for DOBO spot, yet Kevin Willard with similar background, is more qualified as head coach of a Big East program? I don't think it has any indication of his abilities.. He's also supposedly got a relentless work ethic ala Mullin so I see why he'd be a guy Mullin would love..
How can you compare this kid to Kevin Willard, their backgrounds in terms of basketball resume are not remotely similar.
Willard put in his time as an NBA & Div I assistant under a Hall of Famer and then was a head coach at lower level before moving to be head coach in Big East.
Willard was young and inexperienced as well, both guys have fathers who were promoment coaching names. That's my only point. He was head coach for an extremely brief stint prior to this job. We are interviewing for a DOBO spot, not head coach. Just because he is young doesn't mean incapable.
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Well, here's a very good big man coach out of a job as of a few minutes ago : http://www.oregonlive.com/blazers/index.ssf/2015/07/trail_blazers_fire_kim_hughes_assistant_coach_who.html
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Well, here's a very good big man coach out of a job as of a few minutes ago : http://www.oregonlive.com/blazers/index.ssf/2015/07/trail_blazers_fire_kim_hughes_assistant_coach_who.html
Guess he wasn't on board with professional sports teams policy of lying, especially to the press.
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I just read he graduated high school 2009 meaning he's ~24. I feel like that's a little young, no? Not saying it's not a good hire but seems like a lot of responsibility for someone who's essentially fresh out of school
Abdelmessih not far our of college either and he's killing it. Likely he will be a DOBO but even if not, he played college and has been doing skills stuff for NBA for a few years. In addition, his father an NBA coach. So he's not qualified for DOBO spot, yet Kevin Willard with similar background, is more qualified as head coach of a Big East program? I don't think it has any indication of his abilities.. He's also supposedly got a relentless work ethic ala Mullin so I see why he'd be a guy Mullin would love..
How can you compare this kid to Kevin Willard, their backgrounds in terms of basketball resume are not remotely similar.
Willard put in his time as an NBA & Div I assistant under a Hall of Famer and then was a head coach at lower level before moving to be head coach in Big East.
He's going for DOBO not head coach of a Big East school. Willard had to start somewhere and so does this guy. The kid has future successful head coach written all over him, and I'm sure he'll go through the same type of progression as Willard did.
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Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA 1m1 minute ago
Denver coach Michael Malone has hired well-regarded Ed Pinckney as his top assistant, league sources tell Yahoo. He had been with Bulls.
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@NYPost_Brazille: Ed Pinckney staying in NBA not a surprise. Top candidates for last spot, I'm hearing, are Mitch Richmond and Greg St. Jean. #sjubb
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I'm a little hesitant here. I would've liked an x and o guy and obviously we swung and missed with Pinckney but having a 24 yr old assistant coach? Ga's will be older than him. Not that mitch Richmond has any more coaching experience but geez. I guess I just would've hoped that after the stellar recruiting hires of slice and matt a that we would've completed the staff with a seasoned vet.
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People are making too much of this. Mullins has forgotten more basketball than most and Barry Rohrrsen was already a head coach at Manhattan. Even if Slice wasn't a huge winner at Manhattan he was a head coach at a D1 program. Mullin can figure out defenses and offenses in the college game. It's what he has done since he was a kid. I doubt we will have any issues.
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St. Jean will not be an assistant coach.
Am I doing backflips over Richmond? No I'm not.
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I'm a little hesitant here. I would've liked an x and o guy and obviously we swung and missed with Pinckney but having a 24 yr old assistant coach? Ga's will be older than him. Not that mitch Richmond has any more coaching experience but geez. I guess I just would've hoped that after the stellar recruiting hires of slice and matt a that we would've completed the staff with a seasoned vet.
We have an X and O guy. Chris Mullin.
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St. Jean will not be an assistant coach.
Am I doing backflips over Richmond? No I'm not.
That's my perspective as well. Loved him as DoBo when that was the role, not in love with this. I keep going back to what we should want to be - Villanova. Their two junior assistants are local guys who honed their skills elsewhere for years, then made the jump to a big East school. That fits Matt A to a tee. But Mitch? That means 2/4 coaches have never coached at any level before. That is not ideal. Dare I say it, but it's the same situation that Dexter put himself in during the late 90s. Not saying thi situation will end that poorly, because of Slice's experience, but it bears some concern
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I will absolutely take an NBA Hall of Famer as an assistant coach, thanks.
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Recruiting pitches can include the idea of being personally developed by 2 Hall of Famers that have limitless NBA connections, how is this a bad thing? Every Top100 kid asks for these very things.
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Swiss guard for all things St Johns coming out. Guys it's valid to take pause at a staff with half of the guys having no experience. Sorry. I am hopeful too, and of course am aware of the pedigrees, but it's not plan A.
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Regardless of whether he would be a good cosch (and I'd be willing to give him the benefit of the doubt) does anyone else find it ridiculous that Mitch Richmond is in the hall of fame?
Hope he's on our staff and all that ... but the basketball hall is like a participation award. It's equivalent to baseball and football enshrining Gregg Jeffries and Adrian Murrell
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Regardless of whether he would be a good cosch (and I'd be willing to give him the benefit of the doubt) does anyone else find it ridiculous that Mitch Richmond is in the hall of fame?
Hope he's on our staff and all that ... but the basketball hall is like a participation award. It's equivalent to baseball and football enshrining Gregg Jeffries and Adrian Murrell
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/r/richmmi01.html
No, I think he is deserving.
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I'm a little hesitant here. I would've liked an x and o guy and obviously we swung and missed with Pinckney but having a 24 yr old assistant coach? Ga's will be older than him. Not that mitch Richmond has any more coaching experience but geez. I guess I just would've hoped that after the stellar recruiting hires of slice and matt a that we would've completed the staff with a seasoned vet.
We have an X and O guy. Chris Mullin.
All of these guys knows X's and O's. The question is....can they teach it? That is what separates the better coaches. We will find out.
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I'm a little hesitant here. I would've liked an x and o guy and obviously we swung and missed with Pinckney but having a 24 yr old assistant coach? Ga's will be older than him. Not that mitch Richmond has any more coaching experience but geez. I guess I just would've hoped that after the stellar recruiting hires of slice and matt a that we would've completed the staff with a seasoned vet.
We have an X and O guy. Chris Mullin.
All of these guys knows X's and O's. The question is....can they teach it? That is what separates the better coaches. We will find out.
If a coach isn't a teacher what is he then? A bullshit artist? I've had enough of inept coaches. I'm counting on Mullin answering our prayers. I'm just not expecting the answer to come next season.
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It seems to me the smart marketing strategy for any school aspiring to elite level college basketball is the approach Mullin is now taking. And it may be the only strategy that will rescue St. John's basketball from mediocrity. It's no longer about winning nor about your college experience and certainly not about education. It's about NBA prep. If he hires Richmond, he is doubling down on that strategy. I know nothing about Richmond's ability to contribute to the on-court success of the team, but I'm fairly sure the hire will fortify the sales pitch...Come to St. John's; we know how to get you into the league. If he is successful in creating that perception, we'll get a lot of great recruits. That strategy, albeit a travesty to the whole idea of going to college, has worked well for Kentucky. It can potentially work just as well on the world's greatest stage.
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It seems to me the smart marketing strategy for any school aspiring to elite level college basketball is the approach Mullin is now taking. And it may be the only strategy that will rescue St. John's basketball from mediocrity. It's no longer about winning nor about your college experience and certainly not about education. It's about NBA prep. If he hires Richmond, he is doubling down on that strategy. I know nothing about Richmond's ability to contribute to the on-court success of the team, but I'm fairly sure the hire will fortify the sales pitch...Come to St. John's; we know how to get you into the league. If he is successful in creating that perception, we'll get a lot of great recruits. That strategy, albeit a travesty to the whole idea of going to college, has worked well for Kentucky. It can potentially work just as well on the world's greatest stage.
I agree. I could see it really resonating with recruits with NBA potential who are not one and done types. Take Yakwe - Givony from Draft Express said he is a consistent corner three away from being in the league. Mullin and Richmond have to be as good as any on paper to develop that skill at the college level.
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It seems to me the smart marketing strategy for any school aspiring to elite level college basketball is the approach Mullin is now taking. And it may be the only strategy that will rescue St. John's basketball from mediocrity. It's no longer about winning nor about your college experience and certainly not about education. It's about NBA prep. If he hires Richmond, he is doubling down on that strategy. I know nothing about Richmond's ability to contribute to the on-court success of the team, but I'm fairly sure the hire will fortify the sales pitch...Come to St. John's; we know how to get you into the league. If he is successful in creating that perception, we'll get a lot of great recruits. That strategy, albeit a travesty to the whole idea of going to college, has worked well for Kentucky. It can potentially work just as well on the world's greatest stage.
I agree. I could see it really resonating with recruits with NBA potential who are not one and done types. Take Yakwe - Givony from Draft Express said he is a consistent corner three away from being in the league. Mullin and Richmond have to be as good as any on paper to develop that skill at the college level.
Thats one of the problems. We need coaches w different strengths. Mullins great teaching the 3 pt. shot. We dont need another coach w the same strength. I would like to see a big man coach or an XO expert.
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Regardless of whether he would be a good cosch (and I'd be willing to give him the benefit of the doubt) does anyone else find it ridiculous that Mitch Richmond is in the hall of fame?
Hope he's on our staff and all that ... but the basketball hall is like a participation award. It's equivalent to baseball and football enshrining Gregg Jeffries and Adrian Murrell
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/r/richmmi01.html
No, I think he is deserving.
His similarity scores are comparable to Derek Harper, Dan Marjele, and Rolando Blackmon ...
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Regardless of whether he would be a good cosch (and I'd be willing to give him the benefit of the doubt) does anyone else find it ridiculous that Mitch Richmond is in the hall of fame?
Hope he's on our staff and all that ... but the basketball hall is like a participation award. It's equivalent to baseball and football enshrining Gregg Jeffries and Adrian Murrell
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/r/richmmi01.html
No, I think he is deserving.
His similarity scores are comparable to Derek Harper, Dan Marjele, and Rolando Blackmon ...
Well I don't think any of those guys have 10 seasons averaging over 20ppg. Harper and Blackmon were both very good players, but a quick look at their career stats would show you how flawed "similarity scores" are. Neither of them had close to the overall career Richmond did. Are you honestly comparing Richmonds career to Dan Marjele?
Was Richmond ever one of the best players in the league? Probably not. But other factors such as consistently great production and longevity can get you in the hall.
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Regardless of whether he would be a good cosch (and I'd be willing to give him the benefit of the doubt) does anyone else find it ridiculous that Mitch Richmond is in the hall of fame?
Hope he's on our staff and all that ... but the basketball hall is like a participation award. It's equivalent to baseball and football enshrining Gregg Jeffries and Adrian Murrell
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/r/richmmi01.html
No, I think he is deserving.
His similarity scores are comparable to Derek Harper, Dan Marjele, and Rolando Blackmon ...
Well I don't think any of those guys have 10 seasons averaging over 20ppg. Harper and Blackmon were both very good players, but a quick look at their career stats would show you how flawed "similarity scores" are. Neither of them had close to the overall career Richmond did. Are you honestly comparing Richmonds career to Dan Marjele?
Was Richmond ever one of the best players in the league? Probably not. But other factors such as consistently great production and longevity can get you in the hall.
I'm not saying he was bad, just that he doesn't fit the "all-time great" criteria that I would use for the Hall of Fame. I think the basketball hall is watered down compared to the other sports'.
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It seems to me the smart marketing strategy for any school aspiring to elite level college basketball is the approach Mullin is now taking. And it may be the only strategy that will rescue St. John's basketball from mediocrity. It's no longer about winning nor about your college experience and certainly not about education. It's about NBA prep. If he hires Richmond, he is doubling down on that strategy. I know nothing about Richmond's ability to contribute to the on-court success of the team, but I'm fairly sure the hire will fortify the sales pitch...Come to St. John's; we know how to get you into the league. If he is successful in creating that perception, we'll get a lot of great recruits. That strategy, albeit a travesty to the whole idea of going to college, has worked well for Kentucky. It can potentially work just as well on the world's greatest stage.
I agree. I could see it really resonating with recruits with NBA potential who are not one and done types. Take Yakwe - Givony from Draft Express said he is a consistent corner three away from being in the league. Mullin and Richmond have to be as good as any on paper to develop that skill at the college level.
Thats one of the problems. We need coaches w different strengths. Mullins great teaching the 3 pt. shot. We dont need another coach w the same strength. I would like to see a big man coach or an XO expert.
Would you rather have a big man coach like Jim Whitesell instead of Richmond? Two HOFers with our two elite recruiters on paper sounds as good as it is going to get here.
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I'm not saying he was bad, just that he doesn't fit the "all-time great" criteria that I would use for the Hall of Fame. I think the basketball hall is watered down compared to the other sports'.
38th all time in scoring, 148 all time in assists, 76 all time in steals, 30th all time in 3 pointers made, 47th all time FT made. 21 ppg career average, 20,000 points.
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I'm not saying he was bad, just that he doesn't fit the "all-time great" criteria that I would use for the Hall of Fame. I think the basketball hall is watered down compared to the other sports'.
38th all time in scoring, 148 all time in assists, 76 all time in steals, 30th all time in 3 pointers made, 47th all time FT made. 21 ppg career average, 20,000 points.
The cumulative stats are there. I m probably not giving MR enough credit.
But he's also 73rd in minspayed in his career, and only once finished in the top 15 in MVP voting (13th). If there was only one season when he was regarded as a top 15 player in the league, I have a hard time giving him hall of fame status.
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It seems to me the smart marketing strategy for any school aspiring to elite level college basketball is the approach Mullin is now taking. And it may be the only strategy that will rescue St. John's basketball from mediocrity. It's no longer about winning nor about your college experience and certainly not about education. It's about NBA prep. If he hires Richmond, he is doubling down on that strategy. I know nothing about Richmond's ability to contribute to the on-court success of the team, but I'm fairly sure the hire will fortify the sales pitch...Come to St. John's; we know how to get you into the league. If he is successful in creating that perception, we'll get a lot of great recruits. That strategy, albeit a travesty to the whole idea of going to college, has worked well for Kentucky. It can potentially work just as well on the world's greatest stage.
Welcome back gabelmc.. Long time SJU poster. I agree wholeheartedly. Fans want to win. Talent wins. The talent wants to play pro. Sell the talent on playing pro, bring the most talent in... Team is loaded with talent, both the talent is happy and the fans are happy.
I don't think people should be worried if guys like Mullin can coach. He loves SJU, is s gym rat, NBA all-star, was always known as a "skills guy" beyond all skills guy. Mark Jackson credited Mullin with creating the work ethic and skills to make him an NBA'er. Add a great recruiter and former head coach in Slice who has also been AHC under Cal and Jamie Dixon, Abdelmessih, maybe Richmond, St. jean. Etc..
We have the coaches. I don't think anybody should worry because Mullin knows what this school needs. There should be trust there. He bleeds SJU red. He would never take a job he didn't think he could win at. He's the ultimate winner.
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I'm not saying he was bad, just that he doesn't fit the "all-time great" criteria that I would use for the Hall of Fame. I think the basketball hall is watered down compared to the other sports'.
38th all time in scoring, 148 all time in assists, 76 all time in steals, 30th all time in 3 pointers made, 47th all time FT made. 21 ppg career average, 20,000 points.
The cumulative stats are there. I m probably not giving MR enough credit.
But he's also 73rd in minspayed in his career, and only once finished in the top 15 in MVP voting (13th). If there was only one season when he was regarded as a top 15 player in the league, I have a hard time giving him hall of fame status.
Desco, cumulative stats have him in the top 50 or so in the history of the NBA in multiple categories. To say he doesn't deserve it is silly at this juncture. Plus he was the cover of NBA live 97'
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It seems to me the smart marketing strategy for any school aspiring to elite level college basketball is the approach Mullin is now taking. And it may be the only strategy that will rescue St. John's basketball from mediocrity. It's no longer about winning nor about your college experience and certainly not about education. It's about NBA prep. If he hires Richmond, he is doubling down on that strategy. I know nothing about Richmond's ability to contribute to the on-court success of the team, but I'm fairly sure the hire will fortify the sales pitch...Come to St. John's; we know how to get you into the league. If he is successful in creating that perception, we'll get a lot of great recruits. That strategy, albeit a travesty to the whole idea of going to college, has worked well for Kentucky. It can potentially work just as well on the world's greatest stage.
I agree. I could see it really resonating with recruits with NBA potential who are not one and done types. Take Yakwe - Givony from Draft Express said he is a consistent corner three away from being in the league. Mullin and Richmond have to be as good as any on paper to develop that skill at the college level.
That was Lavin's approach, didn't work. It's not just about the talent, you need to bring in players with the right attitude and work ethic. With all the talent in the world, both Jordan and Obeka cared more about themselves then the team. Their selfish attitudes cost us from competing in our tourney games in back to back years.
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It seems to me the smart marketing strategy for any school aspiring to elite level college basketball is the approach Mullin is now taking. And it may be the only strategy that will rescue St. John's basketball from mediocrity. It's no longer about winning nor about your college experience and certainly not about education. It's about NBA prep. If he hires Richmond, he is doubling down on that strategy. I know nothing about Richmond's ability to contribute to the on-court success of the team, but I'm fairly sure the hire will fortify the sales pitch...Come to St. John's; we know how to get you into the league. If he is successful in creating that perception, we'll get a lot of great recruits. That strategy, albeit a travesty to the whole idea of going to college, has worked well for Kentucky. It can potentially work just as well on the world's greatest stage.
I agree. I could see it really resonating with recruits with NBA potential who are not one and done types. Take Yakwe - Givony from Draft Express said he is a consistent corner three away from being in the league. Mullin and Richmond have to be as good as any on paper to develop that skill at the college level.
That was Lavin's approach, didn't work. It's not just about the talent, you need to bring in players with the right attitude and work ethic. With all the talent in the world, both Jordan and Obeka cared more about themselves then the team. Their selfish attitudes cost us from competing in our tourney games in back to back years.
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I would expect Mullin would impart to these guys that NBA preparation includes working hard and learning how to play within a team concept.
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It seems to me the smart marketing strategy for any school aspiring to elite level college basketball is the approach Mullin is now taking. And it may be the only strategy that will rescue St. John's basketball from mediocrity. It's no longer about winning nor about your college experience and certainly not about education. It's about NBA prep. If he hires Richmond, he is doubling down on that strategy. I know nothing about Richmond's ability to contribute to the on-court success of the team, but I'm fairly sure the hire will fortify the sales pitch...Come to St. John's; we know how to get you into the league. If he is successful in creating that perception, we'll get a lot of great recruits. That strategy, albeit a travesty to the whole idea of going to college, has worked well for Kentucky. It can potentially work just as well on the world's greatest stage.
I agree. I could see it really resonating with recruits with NBA potential who are not one and done types. Take Yakwe - Givony from Draft Express said he is a consistent corner three away from being in the league. Mullin and Richmond have to be as good as any on paper to develop that skill at the college level.
That was Lavin's approach, didn't work. It's not just about the talent, you need to bring in players with the right attitude and work ethic. With all the talent in the world, both Jordan and Obeka cared more about themselves then the team. Their selfish attitudes cost us from competing in our tourney games in back to back years.
I don't think Obekpa had all the talent in the world. He was a great shot blocker, but the rest of his game was underwhelming.
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It seems to me the smart marketing strategy for any school aspiring to elite level college basketball is the approach Mullin is now taking. And it may be the only strategy that will rescue St. John's basketball from mediocrity. It's no longer about winning nor about your college experience and certainly not about education. It's about NBA prep. If he hires Richmond, he is doubling down on that strategy. I know nothing about Richmond's ability to contribute to the on-court success of the team, but I'm fairly sure the hire will fortify the sales pitch...Come to St. John's; we know how to get you into the league. If he is successful in creating that perception, we'll get a lot of great recruits. That strategy, albeit a travesty to the whole idea of going to college, has worked well for Kentucky. It can potentially work just as well on the world's greatest stage.
I agree. I could see it really resonating with recruits with NBA potential who are not one and done types. Take Yakwe - Givony from Draft Express said he is a consistent corner three away from being in the league. Mullin and Richmond have to be as good as any on paper to develop that skill at the college level.
That was Lavin's approach, didn't work. It's not just about the talent, you need to bring in players with the right attitude and work ethic. With all the talent in the world, both Jordan and Obeka cared more about themselves then the team. Their selfish attitudes cost us from competing in our tourney games in back to back years.
I don't think Obekpa had all the talent in the world. He was a great shot blocker, but the rest of his game was underwhelming.
No development and marginal improvement
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It seems to me the smart marketing strategy for any school aspiring to elite level college basketball is the approach Mullin is now taking. And it may be the only strategy that will rescue St. John's basketball from mediocrity. It's no longer about winning nor about your college experience and certainly not about education. It's about NBA prep. If he hires Richmond, he is doubling down on that strategy. I know nothing about Richmond's ability to contribute to the on-court success of the team, but I'm fairly sure the hire will fortify the sales pitch...Come to St. John's; we know how to get you into the league. If he is successful in creating that perception, we'll get a lot of great recruits. That strategy, albeit a travesty to the whole idea of going to college, has worked well for Kentucky. It can potentially work just as well on the world's greatest stage.
I agree. I could see it really resonating with recruits with NBA potential who are not one and done types. Take Yakwe - Givony from Draft Express said he is a consistent corner three away from being in the league. Mullin and Richmond have to be as good as any on paper to develop that skill at the college level.
That was Lavin's approach, didn't work. It's not just about the talent, you need to bring in players with the right attitude and work ethic. With all the talent in the world, both Jordan and Obeka cared more about themselves then the team. Their selfish attitudes cost us from competing in our tourney games in back to back years.
I don't think Obekpa had all the talent in the world. He was a great shot blocker, but the rest of his game was underwhelming.
No development and marginal improvement
I do think he improved last season. The problem was his attitude and maturity. He acted like a kid.
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It seems to me the smart marketing strategy for any school aspiring to elite level college basketball is the approach Mullin is now taking. And it may be the only strategy that will rescue St. John's basketball from mediocrity. It's no longer about winning nor about your college experience and certainly not about education. It's about NBA prep. If he hires Richmond, he is doubling down on that strategy. I know nothing about Richmond's ability to contribute to the on-court success of the team, but I'm fairly sure the hire will fortify the sales pitch...Come to St. John's; we know how to get you into the league. If he is successful in creating that perception, we'll get a lot of great recruits. That strategy, albeit a travesty to the whole idea of going to college, has worked well for Kentucky. It can potentially work just as well on the world's greatest stage.
I agree. I could see it really resonating with recruits with NBA potential who are not one and done types. Take Yakwe - Givony from Draft Express said he is a consistent corner three away from being in the league. Mullin and Richmond have to be as good as any on paper to develop that skill at the college level.
That was Lavin's approach, didn't work. It's not just about the talent, you need to bring in players with the right attitude and work ethic. With all the talent in the world, both Jordan and Obeka cared more about themselves then the team. Their selfish attitudes cost us from competing in our tourney games in back to back years.
I don't think Obekpa had all the talent in the world. He was a great shot blocker, but the rest of his game was underwhelming.
No development and marginal improvement
I do think he improved last season. The problem was his attitude and maturity. He acted like a kid.
He improved from refusing to enter a game to getting suspended altogether
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Braziller saying no assistant till after July live period. Really not understanding what the hold up is herr.
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I think it is pretty apparent. We set our sights on EP. Had to wait for the NBA situation to play out. Now it has and we are working through the other options and addressing things like salary etc.
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Could be that next guy is an AAU guy and they want to give him the benefit of being with/recruiting his players during the summer. Recall Tiny Morton announcement coming pretty late.
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Could be that next guy is an AAU guy and they want to give him the benefit of being with/recruiting his players during the summer. Recall Tiny Morton announcement coming pretty late.
now that is diabolical and sneaky. I love it !!!!
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Better to wait a little while longer if it means getting the right guy.
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Zach Braziller @NYPost_Brazille 1h1 hour ago Bronx, NY
Hearing third #sjubb assistant likely won't be done until after July live recruiting period. However, they will have four people on road.
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Could be that next guy is an AAU guy and they want to give him the benefit of being with/recruiting his players during the summer. Recall Tiny Morton announcement coming pretty late.
Doubtful.
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Who will be the fourth on the road? St. Jean?
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Who will be the fourth on the road? St. Jean?
Lavin. Coach Mullin is going to bring Lavin back as a temporary assistant just to piss off Braziller.
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Good point Fordham.
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lol
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Who will be the fourth on the road? St. Jean?
Lavin. Coach Mullin is going to bring Lavin back as a temporary assistant just to piss off Braziller.
Really think Mullin can pry Lavin out of Le Bernardin or Gramercy Tavern?
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Still hearing Richmond for third AC job & St. Jean for DOBO, but who knows, since this been a fluid situation.
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Who will be the fourth on the road? St. Jean?
Lavin. Coach Mullin is going to bring Lavin back as a temporary assistant just to piss off Braziller.
That would make it impossible for Zach to praise Mullin while simultaneously taking an express or implied shot at Lavin. He'd have to use a different template for his stories.
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If they do hire Richmond, it'd be nice to have a trophy room to show recruits all of the combined honors of Mullin and Richmond. It'd have to be a pretty big room: 2 Olympic Gold Medals, 1 NBA championship ring, 1 Wooden Player of the Year trophy, 11 combined all-star games, 2 Hall of fame jackets (or rings? or whatever the NBA gives inductees), 1 HOF induction for Dream Team, 1 Rookie of the Year, 1 NBA All-Star Game MVP, 3 Big East P.O.Y.s, 3 Haggerty awards, 1 NYS Mr. Basketball, and a ton of video and photos of big events like being top ten picks, NCAA tournament games, All-Star games, etc.
Heads would be spinning.
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Still hearing Richmond for third AC job & St. Jean for DOBO, but who knows, since this been a fluid situation.
Fluid how? One day it's a go, next day not, then a go, then not so much? Starting to make Mussini seem like a snap decision. Or maybe Richmond is on a team at Rucker or some such league and his team is involved in a 7 game playoff series and he doesn't want to upset their fragile egos by announcing he is taking an AC position at SJU.
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Still hearing Richmond for third AC job & St. Jean for DOBO, but who knows, since this been a fluid situation.
Fluid how? One day it's a go, next day not, then a go, then not so much? Starting to make Mussini seem like a snap decision. Or maybe Richmond is on a team at Rucker or some such league and his team is involved in a 7 game playoff series and he doesn't want to upset their fragile egos by announcing he is taking an AC position at SJU.
Fluid, as in subject to change. May be time to accept Mullin will fill the two slots when he wants to.
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You know I have no idea if there would be any interest on either side so this is just throwing a name out there but what about Herb Sendek?
Has terrific pedigree, major HC experience and would be a nice stop for him on his way to perhaps getting another HC job. Probably getting fat buyout from ASU so wouldn't demand a ton of money.
Just spitballing.
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You know I have no idea if there would be any interest on either side so this is just throwing a name out there but what about Herb Sendek?
Has terrific pedigree, major HC experience and would be a nice stop for him on his way to perhaps getting another HC job. Probably getting fat buyout from ASU so wouldn't demand a ton of money.
Just spitballing.
I love it.
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You know I have no idea if there would be any interest on either side so this is just throwing a name out there but what about Herb Sendek?
Has terrific pedigree, major HC experience and would be a nice stop for him on his way to perhaps getting another HC job. Probably getting fat buyout from ASU so wouldn't demand a ton of money.
Just spitballing.
Frankly I like the profile. Larry Shyatt, as an example, also served NC State well & helped Gottfried strategically. I much prefer guys with head coaching experience v candidates like Richmond or St. Jean. In my opinion, Mullin would benefit from the assistance of a former head coach with a fair degree of past success. I don't think Slice fits that bill by the way.
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You know I have no idea if there would be any interest on either side so this is just throwing a name out there but what about Herb Sendek?
Has terrific pedigree, major HC experience and would be a nice stop for him on his way to perhaps getting another HC job. Probably getting fat buyout from ASU so wouldn't demand a ton of money.
Just spitballing.
Frankly I like the profile. Larry Shyatt, as an example, also served NC State well & helped Gottfried strategically. I much prefer guys with head coaching experience v candidates like Richmond or St. Jean. In my opinion, Mullin would benefit from the assistance of a former head coach with a fair degree of past success. I don't think Slice fits that bill by the way.
WIth Shyatt you are thinking about Billy Donovan. In fact at one point Donovan had 3 former HC's on his staff a few years ago. Shyatt (Clemson), his former assistant who he rehired after he got let go at Arkansas (Pelphrey) and Norm Roberts for 1 season before Norm rejoined Self in Kansas.
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You know I have no idea if there would be any interest on either side so this is just throwing a name out there but what about Herb Sendek?
Has terrific pedigree, major HC experience and would be a nice stop for him on his way to perhaps getting another HC job. Probably getting fat buyout from ASU so wouldn't demand a ton of money.
Just spitballing.
Frankly I like the profile. Larry Shyatt, as an example, also served NC State well & helped Gottfried strategically. I much prefer guys with head coaching experience v candidates like Richmond or St. Jean. In my opinion, Mullin would benefit from the assistance of a former head coach with a fair degree of past success. I don't think Slice fits that bill by the way.
Bobby Lutz
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You know I have no idea if there would be any interest on either side so this is just throwing a name out there but what about Herb Sendek?
Has terrific pedigree, major HC experience and would be a nice stop for him on his way to perhaps getting another HC job. Probably getting fat buyout from ASU so wouldn't demand a ton of money.
Just spitballing.
Frankly I like the profile. Larry Shyatt, as an example, also served NC State well & helped Gottfried strategically. I much prefer guys with head coaching experience v candidates like Richmond or St. Jean. In my opinion, Mullin would benefit from the assistance of a former head coach with a fair degree of past success. I don't think Slice fits that bill by the way.
Preach!!!!
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You know I have no idea if there would be any interest on either side so this is just throwing a name out there but what about Herb Sendek?
Has terrific pedigree, major HC experience and would be a nice stop for him on his way to perhaps getting another HC job. Probably getting fat buyout from ASU so wouldn't demand a ton of money.
Just spitballing.
Frankly I like the profile. Larry Shyatt, as an example, also served NC State well & helped Gottfried strategically. I much prefer guys with head coaching experience v candidates like Richmond or St. Jean. In my opinion, Mullin would benefit from the assistance of a former head coach with a fair degree of past success. I don't think Slice fits that bill by the way.
WIth Shyatt you are thinking about Billy Donovan. In fact at one point Donovan had 3 former HC's on his staff a few years ago. Shyatt (Clemson), his former assistant who he rehired after he got let go at Arkansas (Pelphrey) and Norm Roberts for 1 season before Norm rejoined Self in Kansas.
Sorry, you are correct. Guess I was thinking of Lutz
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Could be that next guy is an AAU guy and they want to give him the benefit of being with/recruiting his players during the summer. Recall Tiny Morton announcement coming pretty late.
You can't hire the AAU coaches of your recruits.
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Could be that next guy is an AAU guy and they want to give him the benefit of being with/recruiting his players during the summer. Recall Tiny Morton announcement coming pretty late.
You can't hire the AAU coaches of your recruits.
Sure you can.
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Could be that next guy is an AAU guy and they want to give him the benefit of being with/recruiting his players during the summer. Recall Tiny Morton announcement coming pretty late.
You can't hire the AAU coaches of your recruits.
Andy Borman possibility? Former Dukie and coach of both Alkins and Heron...?
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https://twitter.com/andy_borman/status/622022221754712064
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http://nypost.com/2014/08/11/company-blocked-ex-duke-champ-from-helping-poor-nyc-kids-suit/
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http://nypost.com/2014/08/11/company-blocked-ex-duke-champ-from-helping-poor-nyc-kids-suit/
If he likes to help poor people, that's great. On paper, at St.John's, that's their mission, ya know.
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https://twitter.com/andy_borman/status/622022221754712064
I'll get it started...Heron looks 6'6, Alkins 6'4, Borman no idea. ;) :)
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Could be that next guy is an AAU guy and they want to give him the benefit of being with/recruiting his players during the summer. Recall Tiny Morton announcement coming pretty late.
You can't hire the AAU coaches of your recruits.
I'm no expert but I thought that only applied to non-coaching positions
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@CoachRNaclerio: Just got a phone call from a person who just signed on to be a part of the St. John's basketball staff. Real good guy, real good get.
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@CoachRNaclerio: Just got a phone call from a person who just signed on to be a part of the St. John's basketball staff. Real good guy, real good get.
That's great to hear. Naclerio knows what he's talking about. He should have hired to be part of the staff when Lou retired. But it's not he's the only oversight they made.
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Dejan Matic for DOBO apparently
https://www.linkedin.com/pub/dejan-matic/8a/720/578
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@AdamZagoria: Brooklyn native Dan Matic of South Alabama is the new hire on Chris Mullin's staff at St. John's, source tells @SNYtv
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Who will be the 3rd assistant? Richmond? St. Jean?
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Matic will be ops guy
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Who will be the 3rd assistant? Richmond? St. Jean?
I bet St. Jean
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@NYPost_Brazille: Also was told all signs pointing toward Mitch Richmond and Greg St. Jean joining Chris Mullin's staff. #sjubb
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@NYPost_Brazille: At the moment, Greg St. Jean will likely be third assistant and Mitch Richmond special assistant, but could change. #sjubb
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Interesting staff. Impressive in many ways, but extremely green in terms of coaching experience.
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No Hardaway?
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http://nypost.com/2015/08/07/chris-mullin-finishing-st-johns-staff-mitch-richmonds-in-play/
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Dan Matic has truly grinded to get to where he is today. This guy sounds like he has the hustle and attitude to succeed in NYC recruiting, much like his potential coworkers. Add Mitch to this staff, and this is one versatile, impressive staff of Brooklynites:
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/high-school/dan-matic-coaching-break-cold-calling-college-program-joins-staff-eastern-illinois-article-1.1079964
http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2013/04/south_alabama_mens_basketball_1.html
http://www.usajaguars.com/coaches.aspx?rc=956&path=mbball
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Dan Matic has truly grinded to get to where he is today. This guy sounds like he has the hustle and attitude to succeed in NYC recruiting, much like his potential coworkers. Add Mitch to this staff, and this is one versatile, impressive staff of Brooklynites:
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/high-school/dan-matic-coaching-break-cold-calling-college-program-joins-staff-eastern-illinois-article-1.1079964
http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2013/04/south_alabama_mens_basketball_1.html
http://www.usajaguars.com/coaches.aspx?rc=956&path=mbball
Dir. Of Basketball operations usually doesn't recruit. They do play a part as the main contact for a recruits official visit, but they don't spend time in gyms recruiting unless another member of the staff isn't on the road for whatever reason.
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@Brooklywood: Fantastic news for @StJohnsBBall if #NBAHOF @mitchrichmond23 joins Mullin & staff. 2/3 of Run-TMC for #SJUBB http://t.co/gzEz1vW2zg
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@Brooklywood: Fantastic news for @StJohnsBBall if #NBAHOF @mitchrichmond23 joins Mullin & staff. 2/3 of Run-TMC for #SJUBB http://t.co/gzEz1vW2zg
LOL I, initially thought he had joined the staff 'til I read the word "if."
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@Brooklywood: Fantastic news for @StJohnsBBall if #NBAHOF @mitchrichmond23 joins Mullin & staff. 2/3 of Run-TMC for #SJUBB http://t.co/gzEz1vW2zg
haaaaa
LOL I, initially thought he had joined the staff 'til I read the word "if."
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@Brooklywood: Fantastic news for @StJohnsBBall if #NBAHOF @mitchrichmond23 joins Mullin & staff. 2/3 of Run-TMC for #SJUBB http://t.co/gzEz1vW2zg
LOL I, initially thought he had joined the staff 'til I read the word "if."
Details :)
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great to see the staff finalized - seems like there is a definite sense of work ethic and talent despite the lack of experience on the collegiate level, but with that they know what it takes to get a player to the league and at the very least to play overseas.
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great to see the staff finalized - seems like there is a definite sense of work ethic and talent despite the lack of experience on the collegiate level, but with that they know what it takes to get a player to the league and at the very least to play overseas.
We are still in the "if" stage. Nothing is final.
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Could be that next guy is an AAU guy and they want to give him the benefit of being with/recruiting his players during the summer. Recall Tiny Morton announcement coming pretty late.
You can't hire the AAU coaches of your recruits.
Sure you can.
No you can't!
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Could be that next guy is an AAU guy and they want to give him the benefit of being with/recruiting his players during the summer. Recall Tiny Morton announcement coming pretty late.
You can't hire the AAU coaches of your recruits.
Sure you can.
No you can't!
Yes you can so long as it's as a head coach or assistant. You just can't hire them as DOBOs or non-staff positions.
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Could be that next guy is an AAU guy and they want to give him the benefit of being with/recruiting his players during the summer. Recall Tiny Morton announcement coming pretty late.
You can't hire the AAU coaches of your recruits.
Sure you can.
No you can't!
Tiny???
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Welcome Dejan Matic.
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Welcome Dejan Matic.
https://www.linkedin.com/pub/dejan-matic/8a/720/578
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@BouknightReport: Per @nypost, former South Alabama asst. coach Dejan Matic has been hired by St. John's as the Director of Basketball Operations. #sjubb
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Could be that next guy is an AAU guy and they want to give him the benefit of being with/recruiting his players during the summer. Recall Tiny Morton announcement coming pretty late.
You can't hire the AAU coaches of your recruits.
Sure you can.
No you can't!
Tiny???
There are slightly different sets of rules for high school and AAU personnel. Tiny was a high school coach and that was an illegal hire. The rule clearly states that you cannot make the hire contingent on the commitment of the player. Since we knew Tiny was going to be hired for the Seton Hall staff right after IW's commitment and eight months before the coaching vacancy was even posted, we know that the hire broke the rules. It's just that there was no way to prove it unless the school was stupid enough to write the contingency into the contract.
When they posted the opening on the staff for assistant coach, listing job duties and all, it was just a sham. We knew the previous Fall that Tiny was coming on. That's why he retired from the NYC DOE before the opening was even posted. And that's why he was seen wearing Seton Hall gear all over Brooklyn during the Winter. Heck, Tiny was even quoted in the media as saying"I asked St. John's why they didn't have a spot on the staff for me". He was clearly pedaling IW's commitment in exchange for a job.
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@NYPost_Brazille: Should be some resolution to rest of #sjubb staff this week ...
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@NYPost_Brazille: Should be some resolution to rest of #sjubb staff this week ...
We've heard that before I feel
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Who has been filing the role and recruiting for us since we are down a AC?
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Greg St. Jean is going to be 3rd assistant. Young but really good basketball mind. Nice complimentary piece to Matt and Slice.
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A good (yet funny setting) video back from Greg's playing days in college...
https://youtu.be/__ZqOrBd_G0
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https://youtu.be/ekcp3YLOfhY
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Greg St. Jean is going to be 3rd assistant. Young but really good basketball mind. Nice complimentary piece to Matt and Slice.
In Mullin we trust. Still, I am a bit surprised that there are no African Americans among the lead 5 positions (head coach, assistants, DoBo). That will be used against us in recruiting, even if it should not be.
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Greg St. Jean is going to be 3rd assistant. Young but really good basketball mind. Nice complimentary piece to Matt and Slice.
In Mullin we trust. Still, I am a bit surprised that there are no African Americans among the lead 5 positions (head coach, assistants, DoBo). That will be used against us in recruiting, even if it should not be.
It will be used (by parents, guardians, and/or coaches' of recruits), and, in some cases, it'll be effective (for our opposition).
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How about Mitch?
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How about Mitch?
Mitch is deciding between Georgia and Ole Miss.
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Uggh
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How about Mitch?
Not sure.
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serious question. will this be the youngest AC hire ever? i believe this kid is 24. the only person i could thinkof that would even come close would be pastner who started at 25. Pastner if you remember was considered a prodigy, a child basketball savant. He was writing his own prospect evaluation and scouting at 13 and was a head coach of his own AAU team at 16 and coached emeka okafor and tj ford. Thats pretty impressive company for St Jean. Hopefully he lives up to that. i researched some others that didnt come close but can anybody think of anyone younger?
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Greg St. Jean is going to be 3rd assistant. Young but really good basketball mind. Nice complimentary piece to Matt and Slice.
In Mullin we trust. Still, I am a bit surprised that there are no African Americans among the lead 5 positions (head coach, assistants, DoBo). That will be used against us in recruiting, even if it should not be.
A number of guys were considered and desired but this is the way staff shook out. Perhaps some guys will negative recruit pointing that out but ultimately I think skill, work ethic, and results will ultimately trump. Perhaps Mitch Richmond has role on staff as special assistant. I'm not sure.
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serious question. will this be the youngest AC hire ever? i believe this kid is 24. the only person i could thinkof that would even come close would be pastner who started at 25. Pastner if you remember was considered a prodigy, a child basketball savant. He was writing his own prospect evaluation and scouting at 13 and was a head coach of his own AAU team at 16 and coached emeka okafor and tj ford. Thats pretty impressive company for St Jean. Hopefully he lives up to that. i researched some others that didnt come close but can anybody think of anyone younger?
At one point Matt was youngest division 1 assistant and then my friend Zak Boisvert joined Iona staff becoming youngest. He's now at University of Maine after going to FDU. Zak is Dunlap disciple and runs the site http://pickandpop.net in his free time.
I'm not sure if St. Jean would become the youngest but possible. I enjoyed my time watching some games with him this July. All around good guy and definitely earned my respect talking some evals + philosophy with him.
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Greg St. Jean is going to be 3rd assistant. Young but really good basketball mind. Nice complimentary piece to Matt and Slice.
In Mullin we trust. Still, I am a bit surprised that there are no African Americans among the lead 5 positions (head coach, assistants, DoBo). That will be used against us in recruiting, even if it should not be.
A number of guys were considered and desired but this is the way staff shook out. Perhaps some guys will negative recruit pointing that out but ultimately I think skill, work ethic, and results will ultimately trump. Perhaps Mitch Richmond has role on staff as special assistant. I'm not sure.
Likely
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Greg St. Jean is going to be 3rd assistant. Young but really good basketball mind. Nice complimentary piece to Matt and Slice.
In Mullin we trust. Still, I am a bit surprised that there are no African Americans among the lead 5 positions (head coach, assistants, DoBo). That will be used against us in recruiting, even if it should not be.
Perhaps some guys will negative recruit pointing that out but ultimately I think skill, work ethic, and results will ultimately trump. Perhaps Mitch Richmond has role on staff as special assistant. I'm not sure.
As, I stated earlier, it won't always be a problem, but it will occasionally be an issue. I wasn't particularly referring to the opposition (as, it'll come from time to time), as much as I'm referring to the parents and coaches (AAU and High School) of recruits.
I've noticed below that Paultzman mentioned it's "likely," in reference to Richmond. So, I'm gonna assume Richmond is expected to be on the staff in some form.
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Greg St. Jean is going to be 3rd assistant. Young but really good basketball mind. Nice complimentary piece to Matt and Slice.
In Mullin we trust. Still, I am a bit surprised that there are no African Americans among the lead 5 positions (head coach, assistants, DoBo). That will be used against us in recruiting, even if it should not be.
+1
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Greg St. Jean is going to be 3rd assistant. Young but really good basketball mind. Nice complimentary piece to Matt and Slice.
In Mullin we trust. Still, I am a bit surprised that there are no African Americans among the lead 5 positions (head coach, assistants, DoBo). That will be used against us in recruiting, even if it should not be.
It will be used (by parents, guardians, and/or coaches' of recruits), and, in some cases, it'll .Greg St. Jean is going to be 3rd assistant. Young but really good basketball mind. Nice complimentary piece to Matt and Slice.
In Mullin we trust. Still, I am a bit surprised that there are no African Americans among the lead 5 positions (head coach, assistants, DoBo). That will be used against us in recruiting, even if it should not be.
A number of guys were considered and desired but this is the way staff shook out. Perhaps some guys will negative recruit pointing that out but ultimately I think skill, work ethic, and results will ultimately trump. Perhaps Mitch Richmond has role on staff as special assistant. I'm not sure.
I thought about the same Sentiment weeks back. If your recruiting kids to a new basketball regime who check the hispanic or black check box and the staff doesn't match that ,It will make it less attractive to recruits for plethora of reasons.Maybe the top college coaches and their programs can get away with that but even they are not that arrogant to compile a staff which will not reflect the majority of their players.
Were there any top 25 teams last year with a lack of diversity the staff?
It is a shame this is an issue in 2015 , but it is.
This actually a very good case stuff , but I rather not experiment with my favorite college 🏀 team.
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Is that kid even old enough to buy alcohol? Talk about green behind the ears. Sounds like Mully's doling out some favors to his old pals and their families.
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Is that kid even old enough to buy alcohol? Talk about green behind the ears. Sounds like Mully's doling out some favors to his old pals and their families.
I think that is a huge stretch. He will not be the first guy to play college basketball then be hired as a shortly after their career ended. To say he is doing favors to people by hiring coaches is really questioning his integrity which isn't fair. If Mullin thinks he can do the job I couldn't careless if he is 25 or 65.
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Is that kid even old enough to buy alcohol? Talk about green behind the ears. Sounds like Mully's doling out some favors to his old pals and their families.
I think that is a huge stretch. He will not be the first guy to play college basketball then be hired as a shortly after their career ended. To say he is doing favors to people by hiring coaches is really questioning his integrity which isn't fair. If Mullin thinks he can do the job I couldn't careless if he is 25 or 65.
Brad Stevens became an assistant at Butler at 24, so this is not unheard of. But it is a risk objectively. I do agree that no one should draw conclusions that this relates to cronyism. Mullin has given us no reason to believe that is the case (yet, and hopefully he never will)
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Is that kid even old enough to buy alcohol? Talk about green behind the ears. Sounds like Mully's doling out some favors to his old pals and their families.
I think that is a huge stretch. He will not be the first guy to play college basketball then be hired as a shortly after their career ended. To say he is doing favors to people by hiring coaches is really questioning his integrity which isn't fair. If Mullin thinks he can do the job I couldn't careless if he is 25 or 65.
If you think Mullin would be the first coach to add a friend or someone he's familiar with to his staff then you're not dealing in reality. Head coaches do it all the time in all sports. I'm not questioning his integrity, relax. St. Jean will not be the first guy to take this route, yet he's definitely lacking on experience, that's undeniable. Hopefully he turns into a valuable addition for the Johnnies.
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Is that kid even old enough to buy alcohol? Talk about green behind the ears. Sounds like Mully's doling out some favors to his old pals and their families.
I think that is a huge stretch. He will not be the first guy to play college basketball then be hired as a shortly after their career ended. To say he is doing favors to people by hiring coaches is really questioning his integrity which isn't fair. If Mullin thinks he can do the job I couldn't careless if he is 25 or 65.
Brad Stevens became an assistant at Butler at 24, so this is not unheard of. But it is a risk objectively. I do agree that no one should draw conclusions that this relates to cronyism. Mullin has given us no reason to believe that is the case (yet, and hopefully he never will)
On the bad side, Jarvis hired his son for GW straight out of college. He was around 22 or 23 years old.
But, I like the St. Jean hire, because I'm a fan of the analytics. Love it or hate it, that's something that's here to stay, so you might as well use it.
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Is that kid even old enough to buy alcohol? Talk about green behind the ears. Sounds like Mully's doling out some favors to his old pals and their families.
I think that is a huge stretch. He will not be the first guy to play college basketball then be hired as a shortly after their career ended. To say he is doing favors to people by hiring coaches is really questioning his integrity which isn't fair. If Mullin thinks he can do the job I couldn't careless if he is 25 or 65.
If you think Mullin would be the first coach to add a friend or someone he's familiar with to his staff then you're not dealing in reality. Head coaches do it all the time in all sports. I'm not questioning his integrity, relax. St. Jean will not be the first guy to take this route, yet he's definitely lacking on experience, that's undeniable. Hopefully he turns into a valuable addition for the Johnnies.
Hiring someone you are familiar or friendly is very common but saying "old pals and their families" makes it sound like he is hiring people who aren't qualified as favors. There is a huge difference between the two so I will just say that and relax lol.
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Is that kid even old enough to buy alcohol? Talk about green behind the ears. Sounds like Mully's doling out some favors to his old pals and their families.
I think that is a huge stretch. He will not be the first guy to play college basketball then be hired as a shortly after their career ended. To say he is doing favors to people by hiring coaches is really questioning his integrity which isn't fair. If Mullin thinks he can do the job I couldn't careless if he is 25 or 65.
If you think Mullin would be the first coach to add a friend or someone he's familiar with to his staff then you're not dealing in reality. Head coaches do it all the time in all sports. I'm not questioning his integrity, relax. St. Jean will not be the first guy to take this route, yet he's definitely lacking on experience, that's undeniable. Hopefully he turns into a valuable addition for the Johnnies.
"I'm not questioning his integrity". Sure you are. You wrote "sounds like Mully's doling out some favors to his old pals and their families." Don't backtrack
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Is that kid even old enough to buy alcohol? Talk about green behind the ears. Sounds like Mully's doling out some favors to his old pals and their families.
I think that is a huge stretch. He will not be the first guy to play college basketball then be hired as a shortly after their career ended. To say he is doing favors to people by hiring coaches is really questioning his integrity which isn't fair. If Mullin thinks he can do the job I couldn't careless if he is 25 or 65.
If you think Mullin would be the first coach to add a friend or someone he's familiar with to his staff then you're not dealing in reality. Head coaches do it all the time in all sports. I'm not questioning his integrity, relax. St. Jean will not be the first guy to take this route, yet he's definitely lacking on experience, that's undeniable. Hopefully he turns into a valuable addition for the Johnnies.
"I'm not questioning his integrity". Sure you are. You wrote "sounds like Mully's doling out some favors to his old pals and their families." Don't backtrack
Don't put words in my mouth. That's your interpretation. Coaches do favors all the time for their friends including hiring them as assistant coaches. You sound like Mullin's PR guy. Don't get your panties in a bunch. It's ok, he has integrity lol .
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Is that kid even old enough to buy alcohol? Talk about green behind the ears. Sounds like Mully's doling out some favors to his old pals and their families.
I think that is a huge stretch. He will not be the first guy to play college basketball then be hired as a shortly after their career ended. To say he is doing favors to people by hiring coaches is really questioning his integrity which isn't fair. If Mullin thinks he can do the job I couldn't careless if he is 25 or 65.
If you think Mullin would be the first coach to add a friend or someone he's familiar with to his staff then you're not dealing in reality. Head coaches do it all the time in all sports. I'm not questioning his integrity, relax. St. Jean will not be the first guy to take this route, yet he's definitely lacking on experience, that's undeniable. Hopefully he turns into a valuable addition for the Johnnies.
Hiring someone you are familiar or friendly is very common but saying "old pals and their families" makes it sound like he is hiring people who aren't qualified as favors. There is a huge difference between the two so I will just say that and relax lol.
Thanks for proving my point. Relax son lol .
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Is that kid even old enough to buy alcohol? Talk about green behind the ears. Sounds like Mully's doling out some favors to his old pals and their families.
I think that is a huge stretch. He will not be the first guy to play college basketball then be hired as a shortly after their career ended. To say he is doing favors to people by hiring coaches is really questioning his integrity which isn't fair. If Mullin thinks he can do the job I couldn't careless if he is 25 or 65.
If you think Mullin would be the first coach to add a friend or someone he's familiar with to his staff then you're not dealing in reality. Head coaches do it all the time in all sports. I'm not questioning his integrity, relax. St. Jean will not be the first guy to take this route, yet he's definitely lacking on experience, that's undeniable. Hopefully he turns into a valuable addition for the Johnnies.
Hiring someone you are familiar or friendly is very common but saying "old pals and their families" makes it sound like he is hiring people who aren't qualified as favors. There is a huge difference between the two so I will just say that and relax lol.
Thanks for proving my point. Relax son lol .
Didn't prove your point in the least. What you were saying was very different from hiring a qualified person who you are friendly with. Anyone who read your first statement would draw the conclusion that you are saying he is just hiring people who he knows and not people who are qualified for the position.
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Every job I've had post college has been due to a pre-existing relationship. I didn't get the positions because of a favor but they were simply aware and familiar of my experience and work ethic. This goes for all walks of life.
I also would like to strongly encourage everyone to think twice before they hit "post" when discussing this topic.
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Every job I've had post college has been due to a pre-existing relationship. I didn't get the positions because of a favor but they were simply aware and familiar of my experience and work ethic. This goes for all walks of life.
I also would like to strongly encourage everyone to think twice before they hit "post" when discussing this topic.
Agree 100% but disagreed with what was said before. Let's move one. Looking forward to the official announcement of the rest of the staff.
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St. Jean for AC & Richmond for special assistant type slot, just a matter of time.
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Awesome! Thanks Paultz, that's great news.
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@AdamZagoria: Hearing it will soon be official that Greg St. Jean will be named the 3rd asst at St. John's and Mitch Richmond will be special assistant.
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nice, great to hear.
I take it special assistants can't recruit per se?
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@AdamZagoria: Hearing it will soon be official that Greg St. Jean will be named the 3rd asst at St. John's and Mitch Richmond will be special assistant.
I guess Zags read your post.
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nice, great to hear.
I take it special assistants can't recruit per se?
Only HC +3 can be out on the road.
So mitch could recruit but somebody else would have to take that trip off.
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Nice to see the young man get his first chance as it is a difficult job for recent college grads. Come from a B-ball background. Matt was given a chance by Hoiberg without which he might not be here now. Now with Mitch being in a position similar to Keady's who becomes the DOBO?
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Nice to see the young man get his first chance as it is a difficult job for recent college grads. Come from a B-ball background. Matt was given a chance by Hoiberg without which he might not be here now. Now with Mitch being in a position similar to Keady's who becomes the DOBO?
https://twitter.com/coachmatic
Already have a DOBO
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Nice to see the young man get his first chance as it is a difficult job for recent college grads. Come from a B-ball background. Matt was given a chance by Hoiberg without which he might not be here now. Now with Mitch being in a position similar to Keady's who becomes the DOBO?
Dejan Matic is the DoBo. See posts 2 weeks ago
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Nice to see the young man get his first chance as it is a difficult job for recent college grads. Come from a B-ball background. Matt was given a chance by Hoiberg without which he might not be here now. Now with Mitch being in a position similar to Keady's who becomes the DOBO?
Dejan Matic is the DoBo. See posts 2 weeks ago
Thanks!
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nice, great to hear.
I take it special assistants can't recruit per se?
Only HC +3 can be out on the road.
So mitch could recruit but somebody else would have to take that trip off.
Don't believe you can just rotate who is out recruiting, would have to give a good reason why one of the four is unavailable to get permission for dobo or anyone else to recruit.
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nice, great to hear.
I take it special assistants can't recruit per se?
Only HC +3 can be out on the road.
So mitch could recruit but somebody else would have to take that trip off.
Don't believe you can just rotate who is out recruiting, would have to give a good reason why one of the four is unavailable to get permission for dobo or anyone else to recruit.
A sick relative works well here also
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Watched a video of Greg St Jean talking basketball.
I would put a hefty amount on this guy being a head coach at a school somewhere one day.
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Matt Abdelmassih @mabde33 30m30 minutes ago
#SJUBB
https://twitter.com/mabde33
Matt, Slice, St Jean, along with Matic and I believe Virigilio.
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What's the latest w Mitch?
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Assertive guy;
@MoeHatten: It would be an honor to grace the sidelines of NYC in St. John's gear again
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Assertive guy;
@MoeHatten: It would be an honor to grace the sidelines of NYC in St. John's gear again
Would have been a good DOBO guy and Baltimore DC Roots don't hurt
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Assertive guy;
@MoeHatten: It would be an honor to grace the sidelines of NYC in St. John's gear again
Would have been a good DOBO guy and Baltimore DC Roots don't hurt
Don't know Moe at all to endorse him for a position but I'd imagine he'd have good rapport with players.
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Marcus on a roll :).
@MoeHatten: @gregschneider @frankthegolfgod @StJohnsBBall yup trying to be apart of the coaching staff
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Marcus on a roll :).
@MoeHatten: @gregschneider @frankthegolfgod @StJohnsBBall yup trying to be apart of the coaching staff
Saw him at CA and he still looks great...as if he was still playing
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Marcus on a roll :).
@MoeHatten: @gregschneider @frankthegolfgod @StJohnsBBall yup trying to be apart of the coaching staff
Saw him at CA and he still looks great...as if he was still playing
That's because he is. Played last season in Romania. Knee injury preventing him from playing this season. He's 34
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Anyone know if he graduated?
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https://twitter.com/MoeHatten/status/641972667789111297
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Cmon coach, give the guy a gig
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St. Jean will not be an assistant coach.
Am I doing backflips over Richmond? No I'm not.
That's my perspective as well. Loved him as DoBo when that was the role, not in love with this. I keep going back to what we should want to be - Villanova. Their two junior assistants are local guys who honed their skills elsewhere for years, then made the jump to a big East school. That fits Matt A to a tee. But Mitch? That means 2/4 coaches have never coached at any level before. That is not ideal. Dare I say it, but it's the same situation that Dexter put himself in during the late 90s. Not saying thi situation will end that poorly, because of Slice's experience, but it bears some concern
Bump