6th Man of St. John's Basketball
St. John's Red Storm => In The Jungle... => Topic started by: Dylankelly02 on May 26, 2020, 09:29:24 AM
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Terrible news to wake up to this morning. LJ really screwed us!!!! Missed out on signing Salnave because of him and this is how he repays us!
https://sidelinesports.report/2020/05/26/how-lj-figueroa-screwed-st-johns/
^^An article about LJ leaving
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https://twitter.com/NYPost_Brazille/status/1265274877197660160
If this is the case, we're #$%^ed
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https://twitter.com/NYPost_Brazille/status/1265274877197660160
If this is the case, we're #$%^ed
1. "Schools have been in his ear" since before Anderson was hired so I'm not sure what relevance that plays now
2. Not sure on the waiver but I think he's on track to graduate after summer session 1.
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Terrible news to wake up to this morning. LJ really screwed us!!!! Missed out on signing Salnave because of him and this is how he repays us!
LJ and Salnave really had no direct impact. DePaul basically said come replace Coleman-Lands and that's a better situation for him.
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The staff finally caught wind saw he was taking extra classes and connected the dots. They didn't get caught with their pants down. Good job.
Sucks to lose LJ someone who I really enjoyed watching play but I understand him seeking a better situation for himself. Wish him all the best
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Also I hope none of you start the narratives....
"We're better without him..."
"He got worse last year..."
"He was never that good..."
LJ was a baller and a warrior. Played his ass off from tip to buzzer. He always went about his business never aired stuff on social media and repped the school in best way possible. Just like any one of us would want to seek a better job, he wants to seek better role/team to play for. It sucks but he's following his dream.
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transferring makes sense if he can play immediately. Clearly he was getting no interest in the draft and I think he'll probably have a better season somewhere that he's allowed to be the #3 option on offense rather than #1. he desperately needs to improve his offensive efficiency, or at least get back to where he was two years ago. it's at least worth a shot for him.
definitely a loss for st. john's and there will be some more pressure on the new guys to provide a scoring punch.
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Finally pulled the trigger. Best of luck LJ.
All we will hear about next is Anderson's "culture".
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LJ was solid but a little too wild for my liking. I enjoyed the team chemistry last season more when he wasn't on the floor. Good luck to him.
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So when I posted he wasn’t happy and didn’t want to come back I was right.
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The staff finally caught wind saw he was taking extra classes and connected the dots. They didn't get caught with their pants down. Good job.
Sucks to lose LJ someone who I really enjoyed watching play but I understand him seeking a better situation for himself. Wish him all the best
The athletic department makes his schedule.
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Finally pulled the trigger. Best of luck LJ.
All we will hear about next is Anderson's "culture".
No clue what that means. But, congrats, I guess.
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Also I hope none of you start the narratives....
"We're better without him..."
"He got worse last year..."
"He was never that good..."
LJ was a baller and a warrior. Played his ass off from tip to buzzer. He always went about his business never aired stuff on social media and repped the school in best way possible. Just like any one of us would want to seek a better job, he wants to seek better role/team to play for. It sucks but he's following his dream.
Don't think you will hear that. Sucks, but onward and upward. Always liked LJ the player and wish him well.
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No clue what that means. But, congrats, I guess.
Fans saying he didn't fit Anderson's culture
It's already being said.
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The athletic department makes his schedule.
Correct he took extra classes without telling his academic advisor.
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Certainly didn't seem that way last year. Played hard. Played well at times. Led the conference in steals. Seemed like a good fit for the system. Took some horrible shots and played some poor offensive basketball times - folks thought he wasn't engaged but I disagreed, as thought he was just struggling with being the focal point. Played really well at the end of the year.
Sucks as a fan but I'm not going to kill LJ. Wish he would have let them know earlier explicitly but his advisors I'm sure wanted more time to assess the situation. With the risk of having to sit out he should just go overseas and start playing for pay at this point. The biggest mistake would be to the toil for a year as a "sit out" at the collegiate level or be subject to the NCAA whims on waiver rules.
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Correct he took extra classes without telling his academic advisor.
Well that seems a bit deceptive, without me knowing the nuances of the process. He probably should have let them know earlier if he was dead set on leaving; then again, if he wasn't dead-set on leaving, there was no need to do that.
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Fans saying he didn't fit Anderson's culture
It's already being said.
I think it's fair to say he didn't buy in. This was my point in the Salnave thread that they needed to make a decision as a program do we want a wishy washy LJ who can really help us but if things go bad can poison the well potentially?
It's where you have to weigh talent vs culture. Overall this was gutsy but probably right decision by the staff as much as I hate to see LJ go.
Also this is nothing against LJ. If you worked at a company you really liked but they brought in a new boss who you didn't like working for you might seek other employment.
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I think it's fair to say he didn't buy in. This was my point in the Salnave thread that they needed to make a decision as a program do we want a wishy washy LJ who can really help us but if things go bad can poison the well potentially?
It's where you have to weigh talent vs culture. Overall this was gutsy but probably right decision by the staff as much as I hate to see LJ go.
Also this is nothing against LJ. If you worked at a company you really liked but they brought in a new boss who you didn't like working for you might seek other employment.
All true. Also, this doesn't have to be cast as a "bad" versus "good" thing. It is entirely possible for Anderson's culture and what he's trying to build to be absolutely the right direction for the program, and LJ's decision that he wanted to do something else the best decision for him. Just wish he would have been more upfront earlier in the process if he knew he was going to leave, but perhaps he wasn't.
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I think there's a difference between fitting into a culture and buying in. LJ worked hard, didn't complain and was a good leader on and off the court. He did what was asked of him...That's fitting in imo.
Whether he liked Anderson's coaching style or agreed with his offensive and defensive philosophies is different. He is looking out for his future and maybe sees an NCAA run with a high major as a more beneficial than middle of the pack BE.
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All true. Also, this doesn't have to be cast as a "bad" versus "good" thing. It is entirely possible for Anderson's culture and what he's trying to build to be absolutely the right direction for the program, and LJ's decision that he wanted to do something else the best decision for him. Just wish he would have been more upfront earlier in the process if he knew he was going to leave, but perhaps he wasn't.
I wouldn't exactly say I had my ear on all things this year but the rumblings were so loud that it came across my way in conference play. The staff got wind of things last week and acted promptly. They deserve kudos for that however they should have been on this earlier but all things considered with Covid-19 I think they handled this well.
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I think there's a difference between fitting into a culture and buying in. LJ worked hard, didn't complain and was a good leader on and off the court. He did what was asked of him...That's fitting in imo.
Whether he liked Anderson's coaching style or agreed with his offensive and defensive philosophies is different. He is looking out for his future and maybe sees an NCAA run with a high major as a more beneficial than middle of the pack BE.
I see what you're saying and there is truth to it.
I can't say for certainty whether LJ did or didn't do 100% but I suspect that LJ would do something coach asked but there would be hesitancy or done without complete confidence. Coaches want guys to run through brick walls and do things without question. I think LJ felt he could succeed more and as a result the team would too.
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I've read the reactions here plus another ten pages of unremitting stupid over at Redman dot dumb and the consensus seems to be that:
LJ is a selfish player and awful human being (his leaving is a ""scumbag move") who refused to buy into Anderson's system and culture and so spitefully waited until the last minute to "screw" St John's, this despite CTC's gracious acceptance of LJF back into the St John's family after he had the temerity to enter the portal in the spring. Moreover LJF is dumb, because despite the fact that he's not very good he'd have been the focal point of the SJ offense, whereas now he's just going to be a cog in a wheel, which will not help his NBA aspirations. That said, LJ's transfer is a credit to Anderson's integrity and commitment to building a winning culture, which transfer it goes without saying comprises addition by subtraction.
So sayeth the worst most dumbest fan base in the wide world of sports.
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If he is going to stay in College he probably wants to go to a College where he can make some cash, certainly wouldnt get it here. Either way theres no positives to this, LJ absolutely screwed St. Johns over, if he wouldve left a month ago we would have had Ray of the monmouth kid and now we are in trouble and Ray is laughing at us on social media, classy Mike gets shafted again by the sleeze dogs of College basketball, thats the thing that I hate about Mike is he wont get dirty, stays absolutely clean, and LJ got what he wanted and leaves St. Johns in a pickle, do it the right way and leave a month ago and St. Johns fans wont be bitter, now theres no reason to thank LJ. If I was Caraher, Cole and Williams Id be thrilled as they can take over that star spot if they work hard enough.
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So when I posted he wasn’t happy and didn’t want to come back I was right.
I'll give you credit on this one man! He going to go get that bag, whether its overseas or at another College.
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I've read the reactions here plus another ten pages of unremitting stupid over at Redman dot dumb and the consensus seems to be that:
LJ is a selfish player and awful human being (his leaving is a ""scumbag move") who refused to buy into Anderson's system and culture and so spitefully waited until the last minute to "screw" St John's, this despite CTC's gracious acceptance of LJF back into the St John's family after he had the temerity to enter the portal in the spring. Moreover LJF is dumb, because despite the fact that he's not very good he'd have been the focal point of the SJ offense, whereas now he's just going to be a cog in a wheel, which will not help his NBA aspirations. That said, LJ's transfer is a credit to Anderson's integrity and commitment to building a winning culture, which transfer it goes without saying comprises addition by subtraction.
So sayeth the worst most dumbest fan base in the wide world of sports.
You have been on this since the middle of the season...
Credit where credit is due...
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If he is going to stay in College he probably wants to go to a College where he can make some cash, certainly wouldnt get it here. Either way theres no positives to this, LJ absolutely screwed St. Johns over, if he wouldve left a month ago we would have had Ray of the monmouth kid and now we are in trouble and Ray is laughing at us on social media, classy Mike gets shafted again by the sleeze dogs of College basketball, thats the thing that I hate about Mike is he wont get dirty, stays absolutely clean, and LJ got what he wanted and leaves St. Johns in a pickle, do it the right way and leave a month ago and St. Johns fans wont be bitter, now theres no reason to thank LJ. If I was Caraher, Cole and Williams Id be thrilled as they can take over that star spot if they work hard enough.
You accuse LJ of transferring to another school to get a bag of cash because classy Mike Anderson who makes 2 million a year would never stoop so low. You're a clown.
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You accuse LJ of transferring to another school to get a bag of cash because classy Mike Anderson who makes 2 million a year would never stoop so low. You're a clown.
Bro do you know how College basketball works...why else would he leave, he had the keys to the City and the green light on the basketball court with newcomers that would push the program over the top, and all of a sudden he wants to put his name in the transfer portal after other coaches have been in his ear (which by the way is illegal in itself), Mike wouldnt do it but he outta pull a Cleveland St and not let LJ gain eligibility right away, now if he goes overseas thats understandable but by gosh make up your mind and dont put the school that has your back in a dang pickle.
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If he is going to stay in College he probably wants to go to a College where he can make some cash, certainly wouldnt get it here. Either way theres no positives to this, LJ absolutely screwed St. Johns over, if he wouldve left a month ago we would have had Ray of the monmouth kid and now we are in trouble and Ray is laughing at us on social media, classy Mike gets shafted again by the sleeze dogs of College basketball, thats the thing that I hate about Mike is he wont get dirty, stays absolutely clean, and LJ got what he wanted and leaves St. Johns in a pickle, do it the right way and leave a month ago and St. Johns fans wont be bitter, now theres no reason to thank LJ. If I was Caraher, Cole and Williams Id be thrilled as they can take over that star spot if they work hard enough.
Oh good grief.
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You have been on this since the middle of the season...
Credit where credit is due...
Eventually you'll learn that I'm almost always right. Even the dumbest posters do. Meanwhile, enjoy these hot takes from people who are more pleasant than I am, and needless to say classier:
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This is a poor move by Figueroa and really shifty
Terrible form by Figueroa.
LJ Figueroa just strung us along
Being classy (like CTC) doesnt get you anywhere in this world
good riddance to Figueroa
Good riddance
there's very much something sleezy going on in this situation, LJ probably wants a little cash
Figgy is selfishly trying to enhance his prospects of a pro career while st johns is concerned with team play.
LJ hung us out to dry
LJ screwed the staff and SJU
he had enough time to figure out which tampering program was the best fit
LJ had the keys to the City
Listening to someone in Nebraska?
they’ll be much better off without him.
total screw job, plain and simple!!!
$$$'s have got to be in the picture
Cut ties, no waiver granted, good luck in Europe.
a disservice to both himself as well as the program
LJ handled this poorly
never liked his game would not consider him a premiere player, anyone is expendable.
a bad basketball player
It looks almost spiteful at this point.
addition by subtraction
addition by subtraction
addition by subtraction
addition by subtraction
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Grown men slandering a young man without a fully formed brain. Each one of whom would describe himself as smart and it goes without saying classy.
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he had the keys to the City
Which City (because everyone capitalizes Nouns) Jethro? Murfreesboro? DeValls Bluff? West Memphis? Do tell. Who passed him the keys? Was it Derek Jeter or Eli Manning.
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If he is going to stay in College he probably wants to go to a College where he can make some cash, certainly wouldnt get it here. Either way theres no positives to this, LJ absolutely screwed St. Johns over, if he wouldve left a month ago we would have had Ray of the monmouth kid and now we are in trouble and Ray is laughing at us on social media, classy Mike gets shafted again by the sleeze dogs of College basketball, thats the thing that I hate about Mike is he wont get dirty, stays absolutely clean, and LJ got what he wanted and leaves St. Johns in a pickle, do it the right way and leave a month ago and St. Johns fans wont be bitter, now theres no reason to thank LJ. If I was Caraher, Cole and Williams Id be thrilled as they can take over that star spot if they work hard enough.
The player is under no obligation to announce when he wants to transfer just as the school is under no obligation to renew a player's scholarship.
If we're blaming our best player for losing out on a transfer from a bad team in the MAAC we have real issues.
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Also a player in LJ's situation who was on the fence about transferring. Don't you think it would be prudent of him to get his grades back for this semester? Checking all waiver possibilities?
I really don't get why we're blaming a student-athlete for making a (hopefully) informed decision.
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Also a player in LJ's situation who was on the fence about transferring. Don't you think it would be prudent of him to get his grades back for this semester? Checking all waiver possibilities?
I really don't get why we're blaming a student-athlete for making a (hopefully) informed decision.
I'll tell you why because they think this staff was screwed by LJ. It seems like they were just beat out by Depaul and now they're putting out information that LJ told them he was coming back. Which obviously is not true. We know this staff can do no wrong though.
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Eventually you'll learn that I'm almost always right. Even the dumbest posters do. Meanwhile, enjoy these hot takes from people who are more pleasant than I am, and needless to say classier:
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This is a poor move by Figueroa and really shifty
Terrible form by Figueroa.
LJ Figueroa just strung us along
Being classy (like CTC) doesnt get you anywhere in this world
good riddance to Figueroa
Good riddance
there's very much something sleezy going on in this situation, LJ probably wants a little cash
Figgy is selfishly trying to enhance his prospects of a pro career while st johns is concerned with team play.
LJ hung us out to dry
LJ screwed the staff and SJU
he had enough time to figure out which tampering program was the best fit
LJ had the keys to the City
Listening to someone in Nebraska?
they’ll be much better off without him.
total screw job, plain and simple!!!
$$$'s have got to be in the picture
Cut ties, no waiver granted, good luck in Europe.
a disservice to both himself as well as the program
LJ handled this poorly
never liked his game would not consider him a premiere player, anyone is expendable.
a bad basketball player
It looks almost spiteful at this point.
addition by subtraction
addition by subtraction
addition by subtraction
addition by subtraction
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Grown men slandering a young man without a fully formed brain. Each one of whom would describe himself as smart and it goes without saying classy.
How about just thanks for the compliment...sounds a lot better!!
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We are certainly not better off without our leading scorer.
That said, it’s disappointing that kids have zero feeling for this program.
The NY Post said that LJ wasn’t happy with his junior season. From the way it was phrased, it’s pretty clear that LJ doesn’t think he’s the reason why he had a such a lousy season.
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How about just thanks for the compliment
Because I care slightly less of your opinion of me than I do the opinion of my fleshlight.
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We are certainly not better off without our leading scorer.
That said, it’s disappointing that kids have zero feeling for this program.
The NY Post said that LJ wasn’t happy with his junior season. From the way it was phrased, it’s pretty clear that LJ doesn’t think he’s the reason why he had a such a lousy season.
Bwah. Senior leadership and roster continuity is over rated.
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Its a huge loss. Without a doubt our best player. Sucks all the more because I loved watching him play.
We have what appears to be solid depth to help with the loss but there is no good way to spin this.
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Bwah. Senior leadership and roster continuity is over rated.
I know you're kidding. LJ could turn into a senior leader somewhere else, but I doubt he will.
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Solid player, it's a big loss. Can't spin it any other way. At the same juncture it's concerning that Anderson was able to convince him to stay, and then he showed regression. Now he's gone. That isn't surprising. It's not a good look for the current staff. Also I have to start thinking this BannerMountainMan is actually someone in Anderson's camp. It's really bad when you have to start accusing LJ who gave the team some good years of needing to go somewhere to get paid. Disrespectful, if he stayed you'd of been calling his incoming senior season to be the stuff of legends.
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Solid player, it's a big loss. Can't spin it any other way. At the same juncture it's concerning that Anderson was able to convince him to stay, and then he showed regression. Now he's gone. That isn't surprising. It's not a good look for the current staff. Also I have to start thinking this BannerMountainMan is actually someone in Anderson's camp. It's really bad when you have to start accusing LJ who gave the team some good years of needing to go somewhere to get paid. Disrespectful, if he stayed you'd of been calling his incoming senior season to be the stuff of legends.
Staff has expectations for every player, and doesn’t make exceptions.
That’s a refreshing look imo. One we’re not used to at a program where we have legendary ballers that win nothing year in, year out.
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Staff has expectations for every player, and doesn’t make exceptions.
That’s a refreshing look imo. One we’re not used to at a program where we have legendary ballers that win nothing year in, year out.
I'm not sure I understand you here. They have expectations and don't make exceptions? Are you implying something regarding LJ? All I saw was a player who regressed and then left. I was hoping he could contribute at least at the same level in his junior season. That isn't great for this staff. I can understand why he made this decision.
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I saw this coming. I heard from a usually reliable source that he was very unhappy here with the new staff and system. At the time I posted that he would be gone even if it meant sitting out and transferring.
As time went on it looked less and less like he was leaving. He’s an awesome player. I’d much rather have him than not, but this is the right move for him assuming he picks a better fit.
We are obsessed with assessing blame when something doesn’t work out, but I think players like Heron and LJ are simply better suited for different playing styles. We don’t need to blame the player is the coach.
What kind of pisses me off is that Perez would have been a really damn good replacement—perhaps even better in some ways.
2020-21 looks like a deep team. The one obvious weakness I see is proven scoring. After Cole, who I expect to score a lot in spite of his lack of experience, we don’t have another consistent scoring threat unless someone really steps up.
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If he wants to go. Then just wish him well. I won’t miss the 28’ three point attempts honestly. And the floater that misses more often then not. Someone else will step up. And that will be great to see. Good luck LJF!
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Finished in 8th place with him leading the way. Time to move on. Champagnie’s team now, go get it kid
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I believe Pitino recruited him out of high school
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I believe Pitino recruited him out of high school
That would be hilarious.
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As others have mentioned. I don’t begrudge LJ for transferring. What pisses me off is that he waited until the end of May to announce.
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As others have mentioned. I don’t begrudge LJ for transferring. What pisses me off is that he waited until the end of May to announce.
Exactly.
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As others have mentioned. I don’t begrudge LJ for transferring. What pisses me off is that he waited until the end of May to announce.
You mean at the end of the semester in the middle of a global pandemic?
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Exactly.
I agree Marillac....just wish we knew earlier so that we could have possibly landed Perez....but is what it is now...
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So when I posted he wasn’t happy and didn’t want to come back I was right.
Is it ok to tell us what made him unhappy?
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Hysterical. Nicely done. Only thing I'd say is that I'm not sure if Figgy is a grad transfer, since many articles or posts I've read talked about him needing a waiver to play right away. But perhaps I missed that given all the opinions being given.
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Is it ok to tell us what made him unhappy?
Starts with M and ends with N.
Didn't get along. A lot of other players aren't exactly fond of him either but they also don't have many options to play on this level and get playing time. I think if they did Roberts and Williams were gone. I also think that's why you saw Williams get a bump in minutes towards end of last year because he was very close to bouncing.
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I thought Earlington, Williams and Roberts were like BFF's etc.
chance Williams gets his degree after this season and then bolts ?
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Hysterical. Nicely done. Only thing I'd say is that I'm not sure if Figgy is a grad transfer, since many articles or posts I've read talked about him needing a waiver to play right away. But perhaps I missed that given all the opinions being given.
Would commend him for graduation in 3 years...and also don’t believe the hype that staff didn’t know....back in late 80s and early 90s they had to sign off on all classes and books for all of our full scholarship athletes...I’m sure in today’s age they knew exactly what he was taking academically...good luck to LJ in his future....
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I thought Earlington, Williams and Roberts were like BFF's etc.
chance Williams gets his degree after this season and then bolts ?
I'm sure it's possible. I think a lot will depend on this season.
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Would commend him for graduation in 3 years...and also don’t believe the hype that staff didn’t know....back in late 80s and early 90s they had to sign off on all classes and books for all of our full scholarship athletes...I’m sure in today’s age they knew exactly what he was taking academically...good luck to LJ in his future....
This isn't the 80's dude. They have academic advisors now specifically dedicated to the athletes. He took that and added more classes online. Doesn't really matter at this point as it all pointed to him wanting out which he is.
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This isn't the 80's dude. They have academic advisors now specifically dedicated to the athletes. He took that and added more classes online. Doesn't really matter at this point as it all pointed to him wanting out which he is.
So who paid and approved for the online classes? In 1990 I wanted to take a summer class and I needed 3 signatures...you mean to tell me today our athletes can just take classes at their own will...I’m not doubting you, but doesn’t it seem odd to you that the protocols for full scholarship athletes have less of a gauge on what athletes are doing today compared to 30 years ago?
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Hysterical. Nicely done. Only thing I'd say is that I'm not sure if Figgy is a grad transfer, since many articles or posts I've read talked about him needing a waiver to play right away. But perhaps I missed that given all the opinions being given.
It's weird. I at this point believe in almost anything: ghosts, yeti, we're living in a simulation, parallel universes, UFOs, god, why not. I'm so cynical that I don't trust my own skepticism anymore. There are more things in heaven and earth Horatio, etc. Whereas in real life geriatric sex god Anthony Fauci - who funded the bat virus lab in China from whence the end of the world arose - is chumming around the world with vaxxer in chief let's put a chip in your head Bill Gates - who just last fall ran a bat virus pandemic simulation at the Gates institute - whilst simultaneously flying around the world with Jeffrey Epstein, who is not at all a Mossad agent and who absolutely hanged himself. I can believe all that is real. LJF as diabolical Doctor Evil, I'm sorry, that's a bridge too far.
My understanding is he graduated. If he did he doesn't have to sit out. If he doesn't have to sit out he's free to go and do and be. On the bright side he sucked anyway. Addition by subtraction.
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you mean to tell me today our athletes can just take classes at their own will.
WTF!? That sounds like a dystopian nightmare, college students signing up on their own for courses they find interesting. What's next? They get to select their own breakfast cereals? No. This shall not stand. Opposition to Captain Crunch is the hill we should all die on. Or Count Chocula, depending on your tolerance of gluten and lactose.
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WTF!? That sounds like a dystopian nightmare, college students signing up on their own for courses they find interesting. What's next? They get to select their own breakfast cereals? No. This shall not stand. Opposition to Captain Crunch is the hill we should all die on. Or Count Chocula, depending on your tolerance of gluten and lactose.
Wait so you don’t think a student athlete on full scholarship should at least have schedules analyzed by someone within the athletic department?
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Has Figueroa decided if he’s transferring to Duke, Syracuse, UConn, Rutgers or Iona yet?
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So who paid and approved for the online classes? In 1990 I wanted to take a summer class and I needed 3 signatures...you mean to tell me today our athletes can just take classes at their own will...I’m not doubting you, but doesn’t it seem odd to you that the protocols for full scholarship athletes have less of a gauge on what athletes are doing today compared to 30 years ago?
You log onto St. John's central on the internet and you register for classes. Most student athletes take 15 credits a semester but you can take up to 21.
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You log onto St. John's central on the internet and you register for classes. Most student athletes take 15 credits a semester but you can take up to 21.
Athletes have their schedules made for them. It’s actually somewhat of an art and it’s one of the principal jobs of the DOBO in competent departments. In top conferences the DOBO works side by side with an academic coordinator.
In any event, student athletes waive certain rights to privacy as a condition of their scholarship. We should not have been blindsided by this. If he was within a summer session of graduating this should have been known in the fall. This isn’t the kind of thing that can just sneak up on you.
I am surprised and impressed if LJ is able to get the 70+ credits needed in two years. That’s no easy task playing a sport.
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Athletes have their schedules made for them. It’s actually somewhat of an art and it’s one of the principal jobs of the DOBO in competent departments. In top conferences the DOBO works side by side with an academic coordinator.
In any event, student athletes waive certain rights to provacy as a condition of their scholarship. We should not have been blindsided by this. If he was within a summer session of graduating this should have been known in the fall. This isn’t the kind of thing that can just sneak up on you.
I am surprised and impressed if LJ is able to get the 70+ credits needed in two years. That’s no easy task playing a sport.
Thanks Marillac for your insight....when I was there we had to have all our classes approved and then books approved as well...we couldn’t drop a class without consent and our bill was stamped and signed off on by 3 different people and this was 30 years ago!!!
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Athletes have their schedules made for them. It’s actually somewhat of an art and it’s one of the principal jobs of the DOBO
If the DOBO made LJF's schedule how did the staff not know he was on pace to graduate? And if the staff did know he was on pace to graduate and knew also that LJF didn't like CTC - and even I knew that - how was the staff blindsided? Shouldn't they have had one of those back-up plans everyone used to talk about during the previous regime? Inquiring minds, etc.
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If the DOBO made LJF's schedule how did the staff not know he was on pace to graduate? And if the staff did know he was on pace to graduate and knew also that LJF didn't like CTC - and even I knew that - how was the staff blindsided? Shouldn't they have had one of those back-up plans everyone used to talk about during the previous regime? Inquiring minds, etc.
Let me first say that I have absolutely no insight into the LJ situation. I am just taking Dave’s info as true.
As a former student athlete at St. John’s and someone very familiar with how this stuff was handled with prior SJU staffs, I don’t see how it’s possible that the staff wasn’t aware—short of just completely dropping the ball.
The schedules are prepared for the athletes. Many classes, especially in the summer, were only open to athletes. Of course the athlete can change the schedule, but for the DOBO and the athletic acetic coordinator to not be aware that LJ is within striking distance of graduating is pure negligence if true.
Most basketball players take 9 credits in season. They load up in the summer sessions. Any player taking 15 would raise flags to anyone who understands the system.
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If the DOBO made LJF's schedule how did the staff not know he was on pace to graduate? And if the staff did know he was on pace to graduate and knew also that LJF didn't like CTC - and even I knew that - how was the staff blindsided? Shouldn't they have had one of those back-up plans everyone used to talk about during the previous regime? Inquiring minds, etc.
Perhaps this will be more clear...imagine having a player with a year of eligibility left after the season that is 6-9 credits shy of graduating after the spring semester...or entering the spring 21-24 credits shy. A kid that entered the transfer portal the year prior at that...and one that moped around all season like his puppy just died.
If what Dave is saying is true, we should have been ready for this.
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Starts with M and ends with N.
Didn't get along. A lot of other players aren't exactly fond of him either but they also don't have many options to play on this level and get playing time. I think if they did Roberts and Williams were gone. I also think that's why you saw Williams get a bump in minutes towards end of last year because he was very close to bouncing.
those 2 guys got the time as soon as the had earned it. Roberts saw min. sooner. Why do guys who improve and figure to get good time next year wanna leave. Is the staff beating these youngsters with a stick? Way I see it, only mistake coach made was he stopped reqruiting a bit early. Maybe stuff I dont know. Are a lot of guys on the board unhappy with coach.
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Let me first say that I have absolutely no insight into the LJ situation. I am just taking Dave’s info as true.
As a former student athlete at St. John’s and someone very familiar with how this stuff was handled with prior SJU staffs, I don’t see how it’s possible that the staff wasn’t aware—short of just completely dropping the ball.
The schedules are prepared for the athletes. Many classes, especially in the summer, were only open to athletes. Of course the athlete can change the schedule, but for the DOBO and the athletic acetic coordinator to not be aware that LJ is within striking distance of graduating is pure negligence if true.
Most basketball players take 9 credits in season. They load up in the summer sessions. Any player taking 15 would raise flags to anyone who understands the system.
Good post Marillac....
I am a former SJU athlete on a full boat and I know my schedule was scrutinized 30 years ago...I’m also taking Dave at his word and to me the person in charge should be fired immediately....I was there in late 80s an early 90s....I had books also included and I’m telling you, back then they knew everything I was doing academically....now Dave said LJ took classes without anyone’s knowledge..I believe him and to me based on what he said, heads need to roll!!
Thanks Dave for pointing How bad we missed this one.... and as alumni I am shocked....
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I am a former SJU athlete on a full boat
Field hockey?
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Good post Marillac....
I am a former SJU athlete on a full boat and I know my schedule was scrutinized 30 years ago...I’m also taking Dave at his word and to me the person in charge should be fired immediately....I was there in late 80s an early 90s....I had books also included and I’m telling you, back then they knew everything I was doing academically....now Dave said LJ took classes without anyone’s knowledge..I believe him and to me based on what he said, heads need to roll!!
Thanks Dave for pointing How bad we missed this one.... and as alumni I am shocked....
Staff caught wind shortly after word was posted around here and the transfer announcement followed soon after.
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LJ put his name in transfer portal two years in a row. He obviously wants greener pastures. It's mean to say good riddance but that's how I feel. It would have been nice if we knew this earlier but who knows when he decided to transfer rather than go pro (or keep his options open). There is time to fill the scholarship with some useful player. He played hard and seems like a good kid so best of luck to him.
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Dave what does "staff caught wind" mean in regards to the actions they took?
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Dave what does "staff caught wind" mean in regards to the actions they took?
They put pressure on LJ to make decision
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Say hi to Chris Huey guys. He checks these boards.
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Field hockey?
Yes!!!
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I thought Earlington, Williams and Roberts were like BFF's etc.
chance Williams gets his degree after this season and then bolts ?
Pretty sure he is not talking about Earlington when referring to someone whose name starts with a "M" and ends with a "N". And you are right that looking at social media those Earlington, Williams and Roberts are like the 3 amigos.
Obviously don't know any insider information, but what Dave hints re: Williams surprises me because his Dad is very vocal on Twitter about being a fan of CMA.
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Starts with M and ends with N.
Didn't get along. A lot of other players aren't exactly fond of him either but they also don't have many options to play on this level and get playing time. I think if they did Roberts and Williams were gone. I also think that's why you saw Williams get a bump in minutes towards end of last year because he was very close to bouncing.
Dave- You disappoint this fan base on a weekly basis. You're using this unfortunate circumstance to bash this coaching staff who have done nothing but breathe structure, discipline, order and maturity into the program in one short year. Keep your ridiculous rumors about kids on this roster to yourself, this isn't a High School hallway. We're trying to build a program, you're not going to tear it down and get your BFF back from Nebraska on gossip chit chat, those days are over.
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Dave- You disappoint this fan base on a weekly basis. You're using this unfortunate circumstance to bash this coaching staff who have done nothing but breathe structure, discipline, order and maturity into the program in one short year. Keep your ridiculous rumors about kids on this roster to yourself, this isn't a High School hallway. We're trying to build a program, you're not going to tear it down and get your BFF back from Nebraska on gossip chit chat, those days are over.
If I could like this +100000 I would....it’s old act and tiring. “Told you so”
Pissed LJ left it is what it is now time for the guys to step up and if he wants to come back I will open him with arms wide open but otherwise hope we can fill it with a sold 15/20min a game guy who can play ball hawk in your face defense and give us 5/7 point per game
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His Dad is an attorney. He knows how to play the role. He never once said anything negative about the prior staff either. He's not going to spill secrets on social media. Leave that to past players families.
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Dave- You disappoint this fan base on a weekly basis. You're using this unfortunate circumstance to bash this coaching staff who have done nothing but breathe structure, discipline, order and maturity into the program in one short year. Keep your ridiculous rumors about kids on this roster to yourself, this isn't a High School hallway. We're trying to build a program, you're not going to tear it down and get your BFF back from Nebraska on gossip chit chat, those days are over.
Is it bashing or telling the truth?
When you don't like the message it doesn't mean it's not true.
There have been multiple defections under this staff. It is a personality conflict between staff and players. I don't think Dave is responsible for this.
Heron was another unhappy guy.
Two recruiting classes that haven't cracked the top 75 in the country. 2021 doesn't look promising either.
I hope Anderson shuts all his critics up. I really do.
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And the recruiting classes before these who had top 50/25 players in them and top transfers didn’t produce that much either 0 tourney wins and 0 big East semi finals appearances so there isn’t a big difference
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Is it bashing or telling the truth?
When you don't like the message it doesn't mean it's not true.
There have been multiple defections under this staff. It is a personality conflict between staff and players. I don't think Dave is responsible for this.
Heron was another unhappy guy.
Two recruiting classes that haven't cracked the top 75 in the country. 2021 doesn't look promising either.
I hope Anderson shuts all his critics up. I really do.
This staff has only lost one of their own guys. Sears. That’s it.
They’ve added a 4 star NYC point guard. A juco AA, A juco PF, a solid grad transfer and a promising two guard. What’s the difference between this class and a dozen others we’ve had over the years?
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This staff has only lost one of their own guys. Sears. That’s it.
They’ve added a 4 star NYC point guard. A juco AA, A juco PF, a solid grad transfer and a promising two guard. What’s the difference between this class and a dozen others we’ve had over the years?
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This staff has only lost one of their own guys. Sears. That’s it.
They’ve added a 4 star NYC point guard. A juco AA, A juco PF, a solid grad transfer and a promising two guard. What’s the difference between this class and a dozen others we’ve had over the years?
Weren't you saying that Mullin lost Obpeka and Jordan? Same logic could be applied here. I know it's been one year. That's why I said it's a personality conflict between coach and players. These guys weren't recruited by this staff.
You choose to look at it the recruiting as half full. That's fine. Posh had plenty of time to take a leap in the rankings this year. He never did. I think he will be solid. He is a 3 star. I don't make the rankings. All things considered the class is ranked 77 nationally.
The problem is that we're just going to be a middle of the pack program under this staff unless they start getting better kids. Only so much diamonds in the rough can do.
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Weren't you saying that Mullin lost Obpeka and Jordan? Same logic could be applied here. I know it's been one year. That's why I said it's a personality conflict between coach and players. These guys weren't recruited by this staff.
You choose to look at it the recruiting as half full. That's fine. Posh had plenty of time to take a leap in the rankings this year. He never did. I think he will be solid. He is a 3 star. I don't make the rankings. All things considered the class is ranked 77 nationally.
The problem is that we're just going to be a middle of the pack program under this staff unless they start getting better kids. Only so much diamonds in the rough can do.
Fair points. I agree that Anderson losing LJ and Mullin losing Obekpa and Jordan are comparable.
Losing players is to be expected when a new coach takes over. Mullin routinely lost his own players. If things begin to take a turn in that direction, then I’d be concerned.
It’s a fair point, and one I’ve acknowledged before that Anderson has not landed highly ranked recruits like coaches like Steve Lavin did, and Chris Mullin did twice in 4 years.
That said, it is possible to win without top ranked recruits. We could run a program like Dayton, where we develop talent, and it improves enough to compensate for what some guy with an iPad thought about him when he was 16.
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And the recruiting classes before these who had top 50/25 players in them and top transfers didn’t produce that much either 0 tourney wins and 0 big East semi finals appearances so there isn’t a big difference
Tourney wins and Big East semi finals appearances are not realistic measures.
For those keeping score at home - it's the Legend 1 CFC 0.
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Dave- You disappoint this fan base on a weekly basis. You're using this unfortunate circumstance to bash this coaching staff who have done nothing but breathe structure, discipline, order and maturity into the program in one short year. Keep your ridiculous rumors about kids on this roster to yourself, this isn't a High School hallway. We're trying to build a program, you're not going to tear it down and get your BFF back from Nebraska on gossip chit chat, those days are over.
The whole bashing and Nebraska thing is getting old. If you want to ignore facts that's your choice. I've given credit to the staff in this very thread so I really don't understand the bashing theme.
Anderson is a good coach and has brought some positive elements to the team but the culture shift from Mullin to him is a big shift. Some of that shift is positive and some of it is negative.
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Dave -what would be an example negative culture shift brought by Anderson?
All I've seen is someone who tries to lead by example, has ground rules, stresses academics, conditioning, effort, integrity etc.
Is this a perceived negative by players who just don't subscribe to a disciplined program philosophy or is there a real example you can cited that is a negative culture Anderson has brought?
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Dave -what would be an example negative culture shift brought by Anderson?
All I've seen is someone who tries to lead by example, has ground rules, stresses academics, conditioning, effort, integrity etc.
Is this a perceived negative by players who just don't subscribe to a disciplined program philosophy or is there a real example you can cited that is a negative culture Anderson has brought?
Dave thinks it is a negative culture shift to not to let kids get away with murder ie. starts with an S and ends with an S.
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Dave -what would be an example negative culture shift brought by Anderson?
All I've seen is someone who tries to lead by example, has ground rules, stresses academics, conditioning, effort, integrity etc.
Is this a perceived negative by players who just don't subscribe to a disciplined program philosophy or is there a real example you can cited that is a negative culture Anderson has brought?
Look I think Anderson is a good coach who runs a good program. His style is very contrasting to Mullin which is definitely a shock for players who were already on the roster.
Anderson is very set in his ways and I'd almost compare his situation with Tom Coughlin. There is no denying he's a fantastic coach but today's player might not respond immediately, as well, or at all with his style. If St. John's didn't hire Anderson he'd be retired.
If guys don't buy in to what Anderson wants to do he should run them out because you can't have guys half in, half out no matter how talented they are. He will definitely have a better chance with players he brings in vs preexisting rostered players. I said LJ didn't buy in. I think that's partly on player and partly on coach.
He needs to do a better job of getting guys to buy in and embracing players. Can't treat juniors and seniors like they are unaccomplished freshman. Respect is a 2 way street.
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I don't get why some of you guys get so defensive. It's ok to discuss, debate, and disagree. If you have an opinion on something doesn't mean you are one side of the fence or the other. We're all rooting for the program.
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Stayed away from this site for some time, run by a clown
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Back over to the real site..enjoy
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I don't get why some of you guys get so defensive. It's ok to discuss, debate, and disagree. If you have an opinion on something doesn't mean you are one side of the fence or the other. We're all rooting for the program.
Most of these guys don't get it. They can't relate to a younger generation. They also have invested so much of their time online into proping up Mike Anderson that it kills them when there is negative info out there.
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I'm curious if anyone knows if Mike Anderson was in consideration for any job opening after he was fired? Also, what are the parameters of his contract?
It's hilarious to see some of these guys get so bent out of a shape over someone that called the school ST. JAMES on several occasions.
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Back over to the real site..enjoy
Addition by subtraction.
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Look I think Anderson is a good coach who runs a good program. His style is very contrasting to Mullin which is definitely a shock for players who were already on the roster.
Anderson is very set in his ways and I'd almost compare his situation with Tom Coughlin. There is no denying he's a fantastic coach but today's player might not respond immediately, as well, or at all with his style. If St. John's didn't hire Anderson he'd be retired.
If guys don't buy in to what Anderson wants to do he should run them out because you can't have guys half in, half out no matter how talented they are. He will definitely have a better chance with players he brings in vs preexisting rostered players. I said LJ didn't buy in. I think that's partly on player and partly on coach.
He needs to do a better job of getting guys to buy in and embracing players. Can't treat juniors and seniors like they are unaccomplished freshman. Respect is a 2 way street.
I wonder what will happen two years from now when LJ is in Spain, and he’s unhappy coming off the bench.
Will he decide that instead of sticking it out, he’ll put his name in the transfer portal with the intention of transferring to a team in Italy only to find out that there’s no transfer portal in life because it’s a job and you’re expected to figure out how to make it work.
This is why I doubt his future as a pro baller. Anywhere. He’s soft.
Seriously, didn’t we get bullied enough at the end of Mullins tenor to recognize why?
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Stayed away from this site for some time, run by a clown
Thanks for your contribution to the conversation.
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I wonder what will happen two years from now when LJ is in Spain, and he’s unhappy coming off the bench.
Will he decide that instead of sticking it out, he’ll put his name in the transfer portal with the intention of transferring to a team in Italy only to find out that there’s no transfer portal in life because it’s a job and you’re expected to figure out how to make it work.
This is why I doubt his future as a pro baller. Anywhere. He’s soft.
Seriously, didn’t we get bullied enough at the end of Mullins tenor to recognize why?
I've known LJ since he's 15 yrs old. He's a great kid and I was extremely happy when he committed here. He doesn't owe St. John's anything and he made a personal decision just as you or anyone else would with where they live, where they work, etc.
Its unfortunate he couldn't have become a graduate but these things happen and its doesn't make him a bad kid, poor character, or someone you should wish ill on. I hope LJ see success wherever he goes and whatever he winds up doing.
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I have no animosity to the kid and wish him well. Where I disagree with you to some extent is that I do believe he owed something to SJU, his coaches and his teammates. When you attend a school on scholarship, or are just part of a team generally, I don’t think it should be just about you. Ultimately, yes, you have to do what’s best for yourself, but I think there are other considerations as well that go into that dynamic.
And before anyone jumps in, yes I know that scholarships are essentially one-year contracts and schools often show kids the door to bring in talent. I’m not saying that is right either, but that certainly wasn’t the case here.
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I've known LJ since he's 15 yrs old. He's a great kid and I was extremely happy when he committed here. He doesn't owe St. John's anything and he made a personal decision just as you or anyone else would with where they live, where they work, etc.
Its unfortunate he couldn't have become a graduate but these things happen and its doesn't make him a bad kid, poor character, or someone you should wish ill on. I hope LJ see success wherever he goes and whatever he winds up doing.
I didn't say he owed St.John's anything. I suggested that it looks like LJ thinks it was everyone else, and not him. He shot 37%. Is that really on everyone else?
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I didn't say he owed St.John's anything. I suggested that it looks like LJ thinks it was everyone else, and not him. He shot 37%. Is that really on everyone else?
My message wasn't directed at you specifically.
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I wonder what will happen two years from now when LJ is in Spain, and he’s unhappy coming off the bench.
Will he decide that instead of sticking it out, he’ll put his name in the transfer portal with the intention of transferring to a team in Italy only to find out that there’s no transfer portal in life because it’s a job and you’re expected to figure out how to make it work.
This is why I doubt his future as a pro baller. Anywhere. He’s soft.
Seriously, didn’t we get bullied enough at the end of Mullins tenor to recognize why?
What a stupid take. LJ transferred twice only after his coaches left. That can just as easily be seen as loyalty.
And coming off the bench in Spain means the kid won in life. I lived in Spain for two summers and it’s incredible. But not for your xenophobic arse. It’s NY or death for you.
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I have no animosity to the kid and wish him well. Where I disagree with you to some extent is that I do believe he owed something to SJU, his coaches and his teammates. When you attend a school on scholarship, or are just part of a team generally, I don’t think it should be just about you. Ultimately, yes, you have to do what’s best for yourself, but I think there are other considerations as well that go into that dynamic.
And before anyone jumps in, yes I know that scholarships are essentially one-year contracts and schools often show kids the door to bring in talent. I’m not saying that is right either, but that certainly wasn’t the case here.
I hear what you are saying and to a degree I agree with you. I think in season you are 100% correct and I think LJ did just that (perhaps Steere another story). However we're in a new age of basketball and year to year it's simply different.
By what you're saying every 1 and done player is essentially betraying their team by pursuing another opportunity.
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Look I think Anderson is a good coach who runs a good program. His style is very contrasting to Mullin which is definitely a shock for players who were already on the roster.
Anderson is very set in his ways and I'd almost compare his situation with Tom Coughlin. There is no denying he's a fantastic coach but today's player might not respond immediately, as well, or at all with his style. If St. John's didn't hire Anderson he'd be retired.
If guys don't buy in to what Anderson wants to do he should run them out because you can't have guys half in, half out no matter how talented they are. He will definitely have a better chance with players he brings in vs preexisting rostered players. I said LJ didn't buy in. I think that's partly on player and partly on coach.
He needs to do a better job of getting guys to buy in and embracing players. Can't treat juniors and seniors like they are unaccomplished freshman. Respect is a 2 way street.
that seems fair like a fair analysis. let's try anderson's way and see if it works. Clearly the other approach didn't, and st. john's isn't getting a coach without some warts.
maybe anderson's recruiting is his downfall or maybe its his intensity or the fact that he wants to hold players accountable and they don't like it. Or maybe this works out. His historical record suggests we probably won't be terrible so it's worth taking the shot here. It's also fair to criticize him, but I think it's far to soon to write him off -- look at our record the 4 years before he took over. it'll take some time.
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What’s disappointing is that despite CMA and LJ not on the same page, the team was really coming together at the end of the year and poised to do something special, and the What’s ifs will linger.
It is disappointing that LJ saw that and still wants to transfer. What I cannot figure out l is that he is potentially hamstringing himself. If I compare this to a job.
You sign a contract with your boss for three years, and a year later your boss moves on. A new boss is hired and you look to leave that job. That is understandable because you wanted to work for your previous boss.
After thinking it through you decide to stay with the new boss and see how it goes. There are plenty of ups and downs, but it looks like things are moving in the Right direction. Moving forward your new boss is thinking that you are staying and is designing a team with you in mind.
Secretly you are not happy and start working on other options, despite having one year left on your contract. You boss finds out, is not happy and asks you to make a decision. You decide to leave.
Technically you are unemployed but you are good at what you do so finding a new job shouldn’t be too tough. The problem is:
-Will your boss let you out of your contract or will make you stay out of the workforce for a year.
-Anywhere you go you are the new employee and all the experience and clout you built in your previous organization is gone as well as benefits sucks as vacation and sick days.
-Despite being talented you tried to leave your new boss twice, if things do not work out do you 1. Come crawling back to your boss and be in the dog house for on year or 2. Will he even let you come back so you end up going to a worse situation than before.
-Maybe if you finished out your contract and there’s an option for another year (grad transfer), you could have turned that down and your boss would be more inclined to help you, or at the very least you could leave without any strings attached.
The hard thing about leaving this late in the game is that he rest of the team is being hung out to dry. LJ has to do what’s best for him in the end, he is hurting his teammates. Both can be true.
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that seems fair like a fair analysis. let's try anderson's way and see if it works. Clearly the other approach didn't, and st. john's isn't getting a coach without some warts.
maybe anderson's recruiting is his downfall or maybe its his intensity or the fact that he wants to hold players accountable and they don't like it. Or maybe this works out. His historical record suggests we probably won't be terrible so it's worth taking the shot here. It's also fair to criticize him, but I think it's far to soon to write him off -- look at our record the 4 years before he took over. it'll take some time.
But did it not work previously? We fired last two coaches coming off of NCAA Tournament appearances after the school didn't dance for over a decade.
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What’s disappointing is that despite CMA and LJ not on the same page, the team was really coming together at the end of the year and poised to do something special, and the What’s ifs will linger.
It is disappointing that LJ saw that and still wants to transfer. What I cannot figure out l is that he is potentially hamstringing himself. If I compare this to a job.
You sign a contract with your boss for three years, and a year later your boss moves on. A new boss is hired and you look to leave that job. That is understandable because you wanted to work for your previous boss.
After thinking it through you decide to stay with the new boss and see how it goes. There are plenty of ups and downs, but it looks like things are moving in the Right direction. Moving forward your new boss is thinking that you are staying and is designing a team with you in mind.
Secretly you are not happy and start working on other options, despite having one year left on your contract. You boss finds out, is not happy and asks you to make a decision. You decide to leave.
Technically you are unemployed but you are good at what you do so finding a new job shouldn’t be too tough. The problem is:
-Will your boss let you out of your contract or will make you stay out of the workforce for a year.
-Anywhere you go you are the new employee and all the experience and clout you built in your previous organization is gone as well as benefits sucks as vacation and sick days.
-Despite being talented you tried to leave your new boss twice, if things do not work out do you 1. Come crawling back to your boss and be in the dog house for on year or 2. Will he even let you come back so you end up going to a worse situation than before.
-Maybe if you finished out your contract and there’s an option for another year (grad transfer), you could have turned that down and your boss would be more inclined to help you, or at the very least you could leave without any strings attached.
The hard thing about leaving this late in the game is that he rest of the team is being hung out to dry. LJ has to do what’s best for him in the end, he is hurting his teammates. Both can be true.
I don't think the 45 days-ish after the conclusion of the NCAA season is leaving the program hung out to dry. The school year just ended. There will be guys who transfer after him.
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I hear what you are saying and to a degree I agree with you. I think in season you are 100% correct and I think LJ did just that (perhaps Steere another story). However we're in a new age of basketball and year to year it's simply different.
By what you're saying every 1 and done player is essentially betraying their team by pursuing another opportunity.
I hear you and don’t disagree with you when a kid turns pro. That’s an entirely different decision and involves $. Forget about the new staff that just invested in him for a year, and forget about the school that offered him a platform to learn and grow both as a player and individual. He’s been playing with GW, ME and Roberts for two years. Doesn’t that matter? I played college sports - baseball at the D-I level - and it absolutely did to me. We didn’t recruit over him. We didn’t show him the door. If anything we brought in what I think will be a more balanced roster that would help him in the court. He almost left last year and decided to return. He had to know by March where he was at and if he wanted to leave why not just tell the staff at that point instead of apparently loading up on additional credits to try and position himself as a grad transfer. Two months ago we would have been positioned to land someone to replace him much easier. If you know you are going to leave, don’t you owe it to everyone to not think solely about yourself and consider your teammates/friends you’ve played with for the last year/two years or the coaches who spent time with you the past year trying to make you better (even if you didn’t like one).
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Does he start for the Oregon Ducks this year if the wavier is approved ? A lot of competition at the Wing spots. If he sits, does he Pull a Chris Obekpa , sit one and then play professionally?
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Addition by subducktion
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Addition by subtraction.
Foad—you are usually good with this kind of stuff.....do you think when he spoke of “circumstances out of his control” he tried to come back and staff said no....you usually have good insight, when interpreting quotes- any thoughts?
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Foad—you are usually good with this kind of stuff.....do you think when he spoke of “circumstances out of his control” he tried to come back and staff said no....you usually have good insight, when interpreting quotes- any thoughts?
The circumstances are Coach Mullin not being his coach anymore, unless there’s something I’m missing, and we all know how rare that is.
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"In Coach Anderson we trust"
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LJ UPDATE: Officially Commits to Oregon. Definitely weird if he cannot obtain a waiver.
Wrote a little about it if you care to check it out https://sidelinesports.report/2020/06/21/lj-figueroa-officially-departs-from-st-johns/
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I'm happy for LJ this is a really good landing spot. He should see a lot of success there.
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Foad—you are usually good with this kind of stuff.....do you think when he spoke of “circumstances out of his control” he tried to come back and staff said no....you usually have good insight, when interpreting quotes- any thoughts?
He had a relationship with the former staff, all of whom are gone: the assistant who recruited him and the two HOF'ers who mentored him and optimized his skills. He inherited a system that does not flatter his talents and a staff that seemingly does not care whether it does or not.
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LJ doesn't have to be the guy out there. That's when he's at his best. I would think there will be more waivers approved this upcoming season with the NCAA being sensitive covid but this is the NCAA we're talking about.
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He had a relationship with the former staff, all of whom are gone: the assistant who recruited him and the two HOF'ers who mentored him and optimized his skills. He inherited a system that does not flatter his talents and a staff that seemingly does not care whether it does or not.
Thanks
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I'm happy for LJ this is a really good landing spot. He should see a lot of success there.
Shouldn’t he just go straight to that low level European league he’s going to end up in anyway?
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Shouldn’t he just go straight to that low level European league he’s going to end up in anyway?
Why shit on the kid?
College ball is an experience. Oregon athletic facilities and student life is far superior to anything here. He didn't commit to Mike Anderson. He didn't gel into his system and there wasn't a connection there. Pretty simple.
Now other guys have a chance to step up. Vince Cole is up. Will he be as good as LJ?
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Why shit on the kid?
College ball is an experience. Oregon athletic facilities and student life is far superior to anything here. He didn't commit to Mike Anderson. He didn't gel into his system and there wasn't a connection there. Pretty simple.
Now other guys have a chance to step up. Vince Cole is up. Will he be as good as LJ?
He’s not going to all of the sudden become as quick as an NBA player. He’s not getting any younger. Why go to Oregon at all? Just start chucking in Europe.
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Why go to Oregon at all?
No idea
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No idea
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Lol
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Another mullin quitter. Shocking. For those of you who mentioned systems, hysterical. You nice persons couldn’t explain the difference between St. jean’s offense and Anderson’s.
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No idea
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You make a very compelling argument for Oregon LOL.
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He had a relationship with the former staff, all of whom are gone: the assistant who recruited him and the two HOF'ers who mentored him and optimized his skills. He inherited a system that does not flatter his talents and a staff that seemingly does not care whether it does or not.
If a player wants to play hard and fast Andersons system will be fine. I can see a great shooter who needs plays run for him might feel left out. Some would sprint down court and get a pass in the corner and knock it down. What does LJ need to be flattered.
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He’s not going to all of the sudden become as quick as an NBA player. He’s not getting any younger. Why go to Oregon at all? Just start chucking in Europe.
Why not? Maybe he wants to compete for national championship?
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Why not? Maybe he wants to compete for national championship?
Because it’s one less year of making a living playing basketball.
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Why not? Maybe he wants to compete for national championship?
Tariq certainly did. Were you as happy for him as you were for LJ? I wish the kid well, but as a fan I certainly hoped we would have found out in March if he was going to leave.
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For those of you who mentioned systems, hysterical. You nice persons couldn’t explain the difference between St. jean’s offense and Anderson’s.
I agree that I can't see the difference in offense, but I sure as hell can see the difference in the defense.
That, plus a coach that never has had a losing record in conferences like the SEC is good enough to jump on the train for a couple stops.
I would like to see some commitments soon. Just saw a C reclassify to 2020 and go to Louisville, and we were in the mix....let's snag some commits CMA.
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Another mullin quitter. Shocking. For those of you who mentioned systems, hysterical. You nice persons couldn’t explain the difference between St. jean’s offense and Anderson’s.
Anderson didn't have a half court offensive system last season. Maybe that's different this season with two PGs.
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Tariq certainly did. Were you as happy for him as you were for LJ? I wish the kid well, but as a fan I certainly hoped we would have found out in March if he was going to leave.
I was more upset about Tariq because we really needed him. If he stayed were were definitely at worse a sweet 16 team. There is a lot of personal things about Tariq that this move made sense for him that I wasn't aware at the time but in the end I am happy it worked out for him.
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Anderson didn't have a half court offensive system last season. Maybe that's different this season with two PGs.
With Rutherford and Dunn in the backcourt, there’s no half court system, because neither of them could throw it in the ocean.