6th Man of St. John's Basketball
St. John's Red Storm => In The Jungle... => Topic started by: desco80 on September 29, 2014, 05:38:59 PM
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I think it'll be Thomas. I haven't seen him play other than watching the JUCO games that were on youtube, but he's going to be given a big opportunity to fill the void left by Sampson and Sanchez.
I'm not expecting much from ADR, but with Obekpa as the only other center on the roster, and with coach talking him up to reporters in the preseason, he might surprise us.
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I would have to agree with you. Especially after seeing the picture of the kids today, hes built and will be tough on the boards. He is going to get a ton of playing time and I would expect something like 8pts and 7 boards a game from him this year.
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I picked thomas. If he can rebound, play defense, and not be a lability on offense. We are going to be good
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I picked thomas. If he can rebound, play defense, and not be a lability on offense. We are going to be good
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I also picked Thomas either he is for real or we may have real problems.
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I picked Thomas. I think he well get huge minutes from day one. I think we will have no problems for the PF spot. See him and Jones combining for about 16 pts and 13 rbs
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thomas, because I believe he will be good and he is at a position that is open. The other positions would be hard for a newcomer to be a starter unless they were a 5 star recruit. One could argue the 3 is a little weak, but we will be playing a lot of three guard lineups. And the only newcomer who might be considered a 3 is Amar. Hopefully Adonis could get in shape, because CO is foul prone. I wouldn't be surprised if we see Jones at the 4 and Thomas at the 5 sometimes.
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thomas, because I believe he will be good and he is at a position that is open. The other positions would be hard for a newcomer to be a starter unless they were a 5 star recruit. One could argue the 3 is a little weak, but we will be playing a lot of three guard lineups. And the only newcomer who might be considered a 3 is Amar. Hopefully Adonis could get in shape, because CO is foul prone. I wouldn't be surprised if we see Jones at the 4 and Thomas at the 5 sometimes.
Agree,
Branch
Rysheed
DLO
Jones
Thomas
Our best offensive lineup.
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If Jones is an option, shouldn't Felix be one too?
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thomas, because I believe he will be good and he is at a position that is open. The other positions would be hard for a newcomer to be a starter unless they were a 5 star recruit. One could argue the 3 is a little weak, but we will be playing a lot of three guard lineups. And the only newcomer who might be considered a 3 is Amar. Hopefully Adonis could get in shape, because CO is foul prone. I wouldn't be surprised if we see Jones at the 4 and Thomas at the 5 sometimes.
Agree,
Branch
Rysheed
DLO
Jones
Thomas
Our best offensive lineup.
What makes you put Thomas and Jones on this list?
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If Jones is an option, shouldn't Felix be one too?
Technically felix played last season, we haven't seen Jones in over a year.
That was the basis for his inclusion, but Felix is an interesting poasibility.
Do you think he gets on the floor enough to make an impact?
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thomas, because I believe he will be good and he is at a position that is open. The other positions would be hard for a newcomer to be a starter unless they were a 5 star recruit. One could argue the 3 is a little weak, but we will be playing a lot of three guard lineups. And the only newcomer who might be considered a 3 is Amar. Hopefully Adonis could get in shape, because CO is foul prone. I wouldn't be surprised if we see Jones at the 4 and Thomas at the 5 sometimes.
Agree,
Branch
Rysheed
DLO
Jones
Thomas
Our best offensive lineup.
What makes you put Thomas and Jones on this list?
Ive spoke out about Jones all year. Think he is a good player and is offensively talented. And any lineup that has Obekpa in it, though I like him, is already at a disadvantage offensively.
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Thomas needs to be the answer to this question
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Thomas needs to be the answer to this question
He certainly does. Another thing that concerns me in the lack of depth in the paint. After Obekpa, who has been known to act like a difficult child, and Thomas, we are incredibly thin and young.
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Thomas needs to be the answer to this question
He certainly does. Another thing that concerns me in the lack of depth in the paint. After Obekpa, who has been known to act like a difficult child, and Thomas, we are incredibly thin and young.
+1
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Thomas needs to be the answer to this question
He certainly does. Another thing that concerns me in the lack of depth in the paint. After Obekpa, who has been known to act like a difficult child, and Thomas, we are incredibly thin and young.
Young maybe but how can you say we are thin-we have ADR. ;) :)
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I think we are committed to a 3-guard offense. Ideally D'Lo and Sheed will always be on the court, barring foul trouble. Then you rotate Branch, PGIV and Pointer in the 3rd spot. Up front, you have Keith, Obekpa as starters, with Christian Jones and ADR as first two bigs off the bench.
Hopefully we tighten the rotation this year too. Those nine names above should really get 90% of the minutes.
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Thomas needs to be the answer to this question
He certainly does. Another thing that concerns me in the lack of depth in the paint. After Obekpa, who has been known to act like a difficult child, and Thomas, we are incredibly thin and young.
Young maybe but how can you say we are thin-we have ADR. ;) :)
And JDR!
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I think we are committed to a 3-guard offense. Ideally D'Lo and Sheed will always be on the court, barring foul trouble. Then you rotate Branch, PGIV and Pointer in the 3rd spot. Up front, you have Keith, Obekpa as starters, with Christian Jones and ADR as first two bigs off the bench.
Hopefully we tighten the rotation this year too. Those nine names above should really get 90% of the minutes.
Last year 7 players got 85 percent of the minutes. How is 9 players getting 90 percent of the minutes tightening the rotation up?
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thomas, because I believe he will be good and he is at a position that is open. The other positions would be hard for a newcomer to be a starter unless they were a 5 star recruit. One could argue the 3 is a little weak, but we will be playing a lot of three guard lineups. And the only newcomer who might be considered a 3 is Amar. Hopefully Adonis could get in shape, because CO is foul prone. I wouldn't be surprised if we see Jones at the 4 and Thomas at the 5 sometimes.
Agree,
Branch
Rysheed
DLO
Jones
Thomas
Our best offensive lineup.
I could go with that lineup to start a game. Our best lineup would be to include Opekpa and take out Jones, gotta hope that Thomas can beast on the board as he did in JUCO. I'd rather have CO at the end of games, I'd even wait till the under 12minute timeout if we had the lead.
Thomas as a newcomer will have the biggest impact.
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I think we are committed to a 3-guard offense. Ideally D'Lo and Sheed will always be on the court, barring foul trouble. Then you rotate Branch, PGIV and Pointer in the 3rd spot. Up front, you have Keith, Obekpa as starters, with Christian Jones and ADR as first two bigs off the bench.
Hopefully we tighten the rotation this year too. Those nine names above should really get 90% of the minutes.
This is what a sane person would do. Their really isnt any other option. If Lavin does this, I think we win big east. If not He has to go.
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thomas, because I believe he will be good and he is at a position that is open. The other positions would be hard for a newcomer to be a starter unless they were a 5 star recruit. One could argue the 3 is a little weak, but we will be playing a lot of three guard lineups. And the only newcomer who might be considered a 3 is Amar. Hopefully Adonis could get in shape, because CO is foul prone. I wouldn't be surprised if we see Jones at the 4 and Thomas at the 5 sometimes.
Agree,
Branch
Rysheed
DLO
Jones
Thomas
Our best offensive lineup.
What makes you put Thomas and Jones on this list?
Ive spoke out about Jones all year. Think he is a good player and is offensively talented. And any lineup that has Obekpa in it, though I like him, is already at a disadvantage offensively.
I hope he can be. It has been very quiet regarding his progress. That's not Lavin's style. IMO, Lavin needs either Jones or Balamou to the show the ability to be a double figure scorer in 15/16. That's asking a lot.
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Question for the board: Is this the least heralded STJ recruiting class ever?
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I think we are committed to a 3-guard offense. Ideally D'Lo and Sheed will always be on the court, barring foul trouble. Then you rotate Branch, PGIV and Pointer in the 3rd spot. Up front, you have Keith, Obekpa as starters, with Christian Jones and ADR as first two bigs off the bench.
Hopefully we tighten the rotation this year too. Those nine names above should really get 90% of the minutes.
Last year 7 players got 85 percent of the minutes. How is 9 players getting 90 percent of the minutes tightening the rotation up?
To make it even easier to understand last year the top 8 played over 90% of the available minutes.
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PS Foad, what happened to BEB?
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what happened to BEB?
Currently suspended for some dB usage TOS violation I as of yet CBA to unfubar. Meanwhile I'm considering converting to a subscription based print model, which I think will be the next big thing.
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Question for the board: Is this the least heralded STJ recruiting class ever?
Well, assuming Marillac's scouting report is a bit bullish, and Keith Thomas doesn't turn into Charles Barkley, then yea.. it's pretty disappointing.
Very Norm-esque. A big man project, a juco, a foreigner, and walkons. I've seen that before.
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Question for the board: Is this the least heralded STJ recruiting class ever?
Well, assuming Marillac's scouting report is a bit bullish, and Keith Thomas doesn't turn into Charles Barkley, then yea.. it's pretty disappointing.
Very Norm-esque. A big man project, a juco, a foreigner, and walkons. I've seen that before.
I think in regards to expectations, the class is as low as ever, and possibly lower than the Tyshawn Edmonson class. But, Lavin is a better recruiter than Norm was. We'll have to hope that his ability to evaluate talent, or someone's is pretty strong. Thomas, Amir, Jones, and Delarosa are all sleepers. Stewart and Henderson are sleepers, too.
I think Lavin plans to upgrade either Stewart or Henderson eventually. He is giving them a chance to earn it. I like that.
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over 90% of us have gone with Thomas. If this was a race track I would say bet the field,
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Question for the board: Is this the least heralded STJ recruiting class ever?
Well, assuming Marillac's scouting report is a bit bullish, and Keith Thomas doesn't turn into Charles Barkley, then yea.. it's pretty disappointing.
Very Norm-esque. A big man project, a juco, a foreigner, and walkons. I've seen that before.
I think in regards to expectations, the class is as low as ever, and possibly lower than the Tyshawn Edmonson class. But, Lavin is a better recruiter than Norm was. We'll have to hope that his ability to evaluate talent, or someone's is pretty strong. Thomas, Amir, Jones, and Delarosa are all sleepers. Stewart and Henderson are sleepers, too.
I think Lavin plans to upgrade either Stewart or Henderson eventually. He is giving them a chance to earn it. I like that.
So we recruited 6 sleepers in one class? That means all six were underrated and will turn out to be much better than anticipated. Sounds like a billion to one shot in anyone's recruiting class.
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Question for the board: Is this the least heralded STJ recruiting class ever?
Well, assuming Marillac's scouting report is a bit bullish, and Keith Thomas doesn't turn into Charles Barkley, then yea.. it's pretty disappointing.
Very Norm-esque. A big man project, a juco, a foreigner, and walkons. I've seen that before.
I think in regards to expectations, the class is as low as ever, and possibly lower than the Tyshawn Edmonson class. But, Lavin is a better recruiter than Norm was. We'll have to hope that his ability to evaluate talent, or someone's is pretty strong. Thomas, Amir, Jones, and Delarosa are all sleepers. Stewart and Henderson are sleepers, too.
I think Lavin plans to upgrade either Stewart or Henderson eventually. He is giving them a chance to earn it. I like that.
So we recruited 6 sleepers in one class? That means all six were underrated and will turn out to be much better than anticipated. Sounds like a billion to one shot in anyone's recruiting class.
Lavin likes the walk on story. I think a lot of people do too. He's used a walk on more than once as a starter to make a point. 2 years ago, the team didn't get the point. Last year, they built up a nice winning streak shortly after the Georgetown walk on stunt. Not saying I agree with it. Just saying that I expect to see Stewart and Henderson see action. IDK when, but it's Lavin's style to do it.
And FWIW, I've posted this before, but Henderson isn't just some walk on scrub. He was offered by high major schools, and some damn good ones, too. Why would it surprise anyone if he turned out to be a good BE player?
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Question for the board: Is this the least heralded STJ recruiting class ever?
Well, assuming Marillac's scouting report is a bit bullish, and Keith Thomas doesn't turn into Charles Barkley, then yea.. it's pretty disappointing.
Very Norm-esque. A big man project, a juco, a foreigner, and walkons. I've seen that before.
I think in regards to expectations, the class is as low as ever, and possibly lower than the Tyshawn Edmonson class. But, Lavin is a better recruiter than Norm was. We'll have to hope that his ability to evaluate talent, or someone's is pretty strong. Thomas, Amir, Jones, and Delarosa are all sleepers. Stewart and Henderson are sleepers, too.
I think Lavin plans to upgrade either Stewart or Henderson eventually. He is giving them a chance to earn it. I like that.
So we recruited 6 sleepers in one class? That means all six were underrated and will turn out to be much better than anticipated. Sounds like a billion to one shot in anyone's recruiting class.
Lavin likes the walk on story. I think a lot of people do too. He's used a walk on more than once as a starter to make a point. 2 years ago, the team didn't get the point. Last year, they built up a nice winning streak shortly after the Georgetown walk on stunt. Not saying I agree with it. Just saying that I expect to see Stewart and Henderson see action. IDK when, but it's Lavin's style to do it.
And FWIW, I've posted this before, but Henderson isn't just some walk on scrub. He was offered by high major schools, and some damn good ones, too. Why would it surprise anyone if he turned out to be a good BE player?
They lost three games straight after Georgetown: Nova, DePaul, PU. Starting the walkon had nothing to do with beating Dartmouth two weeks later. Dartmouth sucking had something to do with beating Dartmouth.
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Question for the board: Is this the least heralded STJ recruiting class ever?
Well, assuming Marillac's scouting report is a bit bullish, and Keith Thomas doesn't turn into Charles Barkley, then yea.. it's pretty disappointing.
Very Norm-esque. A big man project, a juco, a foreigner, and walkons. I've seen that before.
I think in regards to expectations, the class is as low as ever, and possibly lower than the Tyshawn Edmonson class. But, Lavin is a better recruiter than Norm was. We'll have to hope that his ability to evaluate talent, or someone's is pretty strong. Thomas, Amir, Jones, and Delarosa are all sleepers. Stewart and Henderson are sleepers, too.
I think Lavin plans to upgrade either Stewart or Henderson eventually. He is giving them a chance to earn it. I like that.
So we recruited 6 sleepers in one class? That means all six were underrated and will turn out to be much better than anticipated. Sounds like a billion to one shot in anyone's recruiting class.
Lavin likes the walk on story. I think a lot of people do too. He's used a walk on more than once as a starter to make a point. 2 years ago, the team didn't get the point. Last year, they built up a nice winning streak shortly after the Georgetown walk on stunt. Not saying I agree with it. Just saying that I expect to see Stewart and Henderson see action. IDK when, but it's Lavin's style to do it.
And FWIW, I've posted this before, but Henderson isn't just some walk on scrub. He was offered by high major schools, and some damn good ones, too. Why would it surprise anyone if he turned out to be a good BE player?
They lost three games straight after Georgetown: Nova, DePaul, PU. Starting the walkon had nothing to do with beating Dartmouth two weeks later. Dartmouth sucking had something to do with beating Dartmouth.
I didn't say that it was a great move. My point is that Lavin has it in him to give walk ons a chance, and he often does so to prove a point. Whether or not he proves that point, clearly isn't the one I'm trying to make. Henderson and Stewart will probably get some burn at some point.
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Question for the board: Is this the least heralded STJ recruiting class ever?
Well, assuming Marillac's scouting report is a bit bullish, and Keith Thomas doesn't turn into Charles Barkley, then yea.. it's pretty disappointing.
Very Norm-esque. A big man project, a juco, a foreigner, and walkons. I've seen that before.
I think in regards to expectations, the class is as low as ever, and possibly lower than the Tyshawn Edmonson class. But, Lavin is a better recruiter than Norm was. We'll have to hope that his ability to evaluate talent, or someone's is pretty strong. Thomas, Amir, Jones, and Delarosa are all sleepers. Stewart and Henderson are sleepers, too.
I think Lavin plans to upgrade either Stewart or Henderson eventually. He is giving them a chance to earn it. I like that.
So we recruited 6 sleepers in one class? That means all six were underrated and will turn out to be much better than anticipated. Sounds like a billion to one shot in anyone's recruiting class.
Lavin likes the walk on story. I think a lot of people do too. He's used a walk on more than once as a starter to make a point. 2 years ago, the team didn't get the point. Last year, they built up a nice winning streak shortly after the Georgetown walk on stunt. Not saying I agree with it. Just saying that I expect to see Stewart and Henderson see action. IDK when, but it's Lavin's style to do it.
And FWIW, I've posted this before, but Henderson isn't just some walk on scrub. He was offered by high major schools, and some damn good ones, too. Why would it surprise anyone if he turned out to be a good BE player?
They lost three games straight after Georgetown: Nova, DePaul, PU. Starting the walkon had nothing to do with beating Dartmouth two weeks later. Dartmouth sucking had something to do with beating Dartmouth.
I didn't say that it was a great move. My point is that Lavin has it in him to give walk ons a chance, and he often does so to prove a point. Whether or not he proves that point, clearly isn't the one I'm trying to make. Henderson and Stewart will probably get some burn at some point.
Lavin apparently cares more about making points than winning. His walkon fixation must have come after he watched "Rudy" about 50 times
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Question for the board: Is this the least heralded STJ recruiting class ever?
Well, assuming Marillac's scouting report is a bit bullish, and Keith Thomas doesn't turn into Charles Barkley, then yea.. it's pretty disappointing.
Very Norm-esque. A big man project, a juco, a foreigner, and walkons. I've seen that before.
I think in regards to expectations, the class is as low as ever, and possibly lower than the Tyshawn Edmonson class. But, Lavin is a better recruiter than Norm was. We'll have to hope that his ability to evaluate talent, or someone's is pretty strong. Thomas, Amir, Jones, and Delarosa are all sleepers. Stewart and Henderson are sleepers, too.
I think Lavin plans to upgrade either Stewart or Henderson eventually. He is giving them a chance to earn it. I like that.
So we recruited 6 sleepers in one class? That means all six were underrated and will turn out to be much better than anticipated. Sounds like a billion to one shot in anyone's recruiting class.
Lavin likes the walk on story. I think a lot of people do too. He's used a walk on more than once as a starter to make a point. 2 years ago, the team didn't get the point. Last year, they built up a nice winning streak shortly after the Georgetown walk on stunt. Not saying I agree with it. Just saying that I expect to see Stewart and Henderson see action. IDK when, but it's Lavin's style to do it.
And FWIW, I've posted this before, but Henderson isn't just some walk on scrub. He was offered by high major schools, and some damn good ones, too. Why would it surprise anyone if he turned out to be a good BE player?
They lost three games straight after Georgetown: Nova, DePaul, PU. Starting the walkon had nothing to do with beating Dartmouth two weeks later. Dartmouth sucking had something to do with beating Dartmouth.
I didn't say that it was a great move. My point is that Lavin has it in him to give walk ons a chance, and he often does so to prove a point. Whether or not he proves that point, clearly isn't the one I'm trying to make. Henderson and Stewart will probably get some burn at some point.
He does so because he's run out of other things to try. If the walk on plays great, he's a great coach. If the walk on doesn't play great, he's a great teacher. It's completely cynical, opportunistic and stupid.
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Question for the board: Is this the least heralded STJ recruiting class ever?
Well, assuming Marillac's scouting report is a bit bullish, and Keith Thomas doesn't turn into Charles Barkley, then yea.. it's pretty disappointing.
Very Norm-esque. A big man project, a juco, a foreigner, and walkons. I've seen that before.
I think in regards to expectations, the class is as low as ever, and possibly lower than the Tyshawn Edmonson class. But, Lavin is a better recruiter than Norm was. We'll have to hope that his ability to evaluate talent, or someone's is pretty strong. Thomas, Amir, Jones, and Delarosa are all sleepers. Stewart and Henderson are sleepers, too.
I think Lavin plans to upgrade either Stewart or Henderson eventually. He is giving them a chance to earn it. I like that.
So we recruited 6 sleepers in one class? That means all six were underrated and will turn out to be much better than anticipated. Sounds like a billion to one shot in anyone's recruiting class.
Lavin likes the walk on story. I think a lot of people do too. He's used a walk on more than once as a starter to make a point. 2 years ago, the team didn't get the point. Last year, they built up a nice winning streak shortly after the Georgetown walk on stunt. Not saying I agree with it. Just saying that I expect to see Stewart and Henderson see action. IDK when, but it's Lavin's style to do it.
And FWIW, I've posted this before, but Henderson isn't just some walk on scrub. He was offered by high major schools, and some damn good ones, too. Why would it surprise anyone if he turned out to be a good BE player?
They lost three games straight after Georgetown: Nova, DePaul, PU. Starting the walkon had nothing to do with beating Dartmouth two weeks later. Dartmouth sucking had something to do with beating Dartmouth.
I didn't say that it was a great move. My point is that Lavin has it in him to give walk ons a chance, and he often does so to prove a point. Whether or not he proves that point, clearly isn't the one I'm trying to make. Henderson and Stewart will probably get some burn at some point.
He does so because he's run out of other things to try. If the walk on plays great, he's a great coach. If the walk on doesn't play great, he's a great teacher. It's completely cynical, opportunistic and stupid.
Remember the day. We agree.
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Question for the board: Is this the least heralded STJ recruiting class ever?
Well, assuming Marillac's scouting report is a bit bullish, and Keith Thomas doesn't turn into Charles Barkley, then yea.. it's pretty disappointing.
Very Norm-esque. A big man project, a juco, a foreigner, and walkons. I've seen that before.
I think in regards to expectations, the class is as low as ever, and possibly lower than the Tyshawn Edmonson class. But, Lavin is a better recruiter than Norm was. We'll have to hope that his ability to evaluate talent, or someone's is pretty strong. Thomas, Amir, Jones, and Delarosa are all sleepers. Stewart and Henderson are sleepers, too.
I think Lavin plans to upgrade either Stewart or Henderson eventually. He is giving them a chance to earn it. I like that.
So we recruited 6 sleepers in one class? That means all six were underrated and will turn out to be much better than anticipated. Sounds like a billion to one shot in anyone's recruiting class.
Lavin likes the walk on story. I think a lot of people do too. He's used a walk on more than once as a starter to make a point. 2 years ago, the team didn't get the point. Last year, they built up a nice winning streak shortly after the Georgetown walk on stunt. Not saying I agree with it. Just saying that I expect to see Stewart and Henderson see action. IDK when, but it's Lavin's style to do it.
And FWIW, I've posted this before, but Henderson isn't just some walk on scrub. He was offered by high major schools, and some damn good ones, too. Why would it surprise anyone if he turned out to be a good BE player?
They lost three games straight after Georgetown: Nova, DePaul, PU. Starting the walkon had nothing to do with beating Dartmouth two weeks later. Dartmouth sucking had something to do with beating Dartmouth.
I didn't say that it was a great move. My point is that Lavin has it in him to give walk ons a chance, and he often does so to prove a point. Whether or not he proves that point, clearly isn't the one I'm trying to make. Henderson and Stewart will probably get some burn at some point.
He does so because he's run out of other things to try. If the walk on plays great, he's a great coach. If the walk on doesn't play great, he's a great teacher. It's completely cynical, opportunistic and stupid.
Or option (c), he's an idiot. Which seemed to be the majority opinion.
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Thomas should be a major contributor, 8 and 6 minimum, big upside. AD should not be underrated, upside huge, Im thinking 4 and 3 minimum. However, Ive always been a huge optimist.
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The crazy bashing of Lavin bothers me. He doesn't deserve all the hate. However any time he gets more then a little praise it bothers me much more.
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I think we are committed to a 3-guard offense. Ideally D'Lo and Sheed will always be on the court, barring foul trouble. Then you rotate Branch, PGIV and Pointer in the 3rd spot. Up front, you have Keith, Obekpa as starters, with Christian Jones and ADR as first two bigs off the bench.
Hopefully we tighten the rotation this year too. Those nine names above should really get 90% of the minutes.
This is what a sane person would do. Their really isnt any other option. If Lavin does this, I think we win big east. If not He has to go.
We can't fire him if he doesn't win the BE. That's ridiculous.
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I didn't explain myself correctly. I think if he coaches smart we will be successful and have a good chance at big east.
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I don't think anyone outside of Keith Thomas and Christian Jones see much playing time.