6th Man of St. John's Basketball
St. John's Red Storm => In The Jungle... => Topic started by: paultzman on October 11, 2016, 09:49:05 AM
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Preseason Player of the Year
Josh Hart, Villanova, G, Sr., 6-5, 215, Silver Spring, Md.
BIG EAST Preseason Freshman of the Year
Shamorie Ponds, St. John’s, G, Fr., 6-1, 165, Brooklyn, N.Y.
BIG EAST Preseason All-BIG EAST First Team
Kelan Martin, Butler, F, Jr., 6-7, 220, Louisville, Ky.
Maurice Watson Jr., Creighton, G, Sr., 5-10, 175, Philadelphia, Pa.
Kris Jenkins, Villanova, F, Sr., 6-6, 235, Upper Marlboro, Md.
Trevon Bluiett, Xavier, G, Jr., 6-6, 205, Indianapolis, Ind.
Edmond Sumner, Xavier, G, So., 6-6, 183, Detroit, Mich.
BIG EAST Preseason All-BIG EAST Second Team
Billy Garrett, Jr., DePaul, G, Sr., 6-6, 210, Chicago, Ill.
Isaac Copeland, Georgetown, F, Jr., 6-9, 220, Raleigh, N.C.
Luke Fischer, Marquette, C, Sr., 6-11, 250, Germantown, Wis.
Khadeen Carrington, Seton Hall, G, Jr., 6-4, 195, Brooklyn, N.Y.
Angel Delgado, Seton Hall, F, Jr., 6-10, 240, Bajos De Haina, Dominican Republic
Preseason All-BIG EAST Honorable Mention
Marcus Foster, Creighton, G, Jr., 6-3, 210, Wichita Falls, Texas
L.J. Peak, Georgetown, F, Jr., 6-5, 215, Gaffney, S.C.
Jalen Brunson, Villanova, G, So., 6-2, 190, Lincolnshire, Ill.
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preseason poll: Villanova receives 9 of 10 first-place votes and the defending national champs are picked to win the Big East again. 2) Xavier (with one first place vote) 3. Creighton T4. Georgetown T4. Seton Hall 6. Butler 7. Marquette 8. St. John's 9. Providence 10. DePaul
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preseason poll: Villanova receives 9 of 10 first-place votes and the defending national champs are picked to win the Big East again. 2) Xavier (with one first place vote) 3. Creighton T4. Georgetown T4. Seton Hall 6. Butler 7. Marquette 8. St. John's 9. Providence 10. DePaul
It was explained on the media day coverage, that coaches fill out their picks 1-9, leaving their own teams off. So, Villanova was basically a unanimous selection (with Wright being responsible for the Xavier vote).
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preseason poll: Villanova receives 9 of 10 first-place votes and the defending national champs are picked to win the Big East again. 2) Xavier (with one first place vote) 3. Creighton T4. Georgetown T4. Seton Hall 6. Butler 7. Marquette 8. St. John's 9. Providence 10. DePaul
It was explained on the media day coverage, that coaches fill out their picks 1-9, leaving their own teams off. So, Villanova was basically a unanimous selection (with Wright being responsible for the Xavier vote).
Someone got an A in logic.
I on the other hand, need to look at your notes....
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This All BE 2nd team stinks. I remember when All BE 4th team meant something.
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Billy Garrett sucks
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Billy Garrett sucks
Sickle Cell Disease will do that to a player...
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Billy Garrett sucks
Sickle Cell Disease will do that to a player...
I wouldnt have had him as a 2d teamer. He can only play 20 min a game max.
Any All BE potential on our squad?
RF, Lovett, Ponds, Bash, Yakwe?
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This All BE 2nd team stinks. I remember when All BE 4th team meant something.
Delgado & Carrington suck..?
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Billy Garrett sucks
Sickle Cell Disease will do that to a player...
Agreed.
I guess they should have voted DePaul #1
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Billy Garrett sucks
Sickle Cell Disease will do that to a player...
I wouldnt have had him as a 2d teamer. He can only play 20 min a game max.
Any All BE potential on our squad?
RF, Lovett, Ponds, Bash, Yakwe?
Ismael Sanago and Desi Rodrgiuez.
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Billy Garrett sucks
Sickle Cell Disease will do that to a player...
I wouldnt have had him as a 2d teamer. He can only play 20 min a game max.
Any All BE potential on our squad?
RF, Lovett, Ponds, Bash, Yakwe?
Ismael Sanago and Desi Rodrgiuez.
Both those guys are nice complementary pieces. If either is an All Conference player, it really does speak to Poison's original point - lack of high end talent at the top of the league.
Would you rather have those two guys at the 3 and 4 or Bashir and Yakwe?
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Billy Garrett sucks
Sickle Cell Disease will do that to a player...
If Italians got sickle cell MB would have Mussini short listed as a first team AA.
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Sickle cell is a deadly disease - nobody should ever joke about it.
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Sickle cell is a deadly disease - nobody should ever joke about it.
Did you type that while wearing your "I'm with her" pin?
Everything can be joked about.
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Did you have anybody die from it in your family or friend die from sickle cell.
I have and do not see the joke
How about somebody joke about one of the diseases that kill one somebody from your family.
How about I joke about a fatal disease that only for example only affected Jewish people - I am sure nobody would be laughing then.
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Billy Garrett sucks
Sickle Cell Disease will do that to a player...
If Italians got sickle cell MB would have Mussini short listed as a first team AA.
they do!
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Sickle cell is a deadly disease - nobody should ever joke about it.
Did you type that while wearing your "I'm with her" pin?
Everything can be joked about.
I'm with him would be the real joke.
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Billy Garrett sucks
Sickle Cell Disease will do that to a player...
I wouldnt have had him as a 2d teamer. He can only play 20 min a game max.
Any All BE potential on our squad?
RF, Lovett, Ponds, Bash, Yakwe?
Ismael Sanago and Desi Rodrgiuez.
Both those guys are nice complementary pieces. If either is an All Conference player, it really does speak to Poison's original point - lack of high end talent at the top of the league.
Would you rather have those two guys at the 3 and 4 or Bashir and Yakwe?
I wasn't calling out a lack of talent. Really, it's what I hope is a lack of awareness. The names on the second team are only there because they are familiar names. So, hopefully, 2 out Yakwe, LoVett, Ponds, Ahmed, Ellison and Freudenberg surprise us in a good way.
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Did you have anybody die from it in your family or friend die from sickle cell.
I have and do not see the joke
How about somebody joke about one of the diseases that kill one somebody from your family.
How about I joke about a fatal disease that only for example only affected Jewish people - I am sure nobody would be laughing then.
Scheppy needs a hug :( Or did someone in your family die from hugs too?
Time to man up before Trump grabs you.
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Billy Garrett sucks
Sickle Cell Disease will do that to a player...
Agreed.
I guess they should have voted DePaul #1
Think you missed my point. Was saying he wouldn't suck if he didn't have it. Although, regardless, he doesn't suck. Talented kid, just can't play a full game without risk of dying and whatnot. Didn't say that's why he should be on the 2nd team.
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Did you have anybody die from it in your family or friend die from sickle cell.
I have and do not see the joke
How about somebody joke about one of the diseases that kill one somebody from your family.
How about I joke about a fatal disease that only for example only affected Jewish people - I am sure nobody would be laughing then.
Scheppy needs a hug :( Or did someone in your family die from hugs too?
Time to man up before Trump grabs you.
Tasteless move Marillac. You're better than that.
I have no issue with the preseason awards. There will be some top end talent in the league. It's just difficult to predict. New playing time will make some guys in to stars.
And the right development can make a guy seem like a different player - see Dom Pointer.
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This All BE 2nd team stinks. I remember when All BE 4th team meant something.
Delgado & Carrington suck..?
No. Carrington certainly doesn't. He's the one guy on that list who I could see making 2nd team. Delgado played like a talented but clueless freshman the last two seasons. He's not an All BE 2nd team player without marked improvement
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How about I joke about a fatal disease that only for example only affected Jewish people - I am sure nobody would be laughing then.
Tay–Sachs is hilarious.
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I completely understand where the seeding lands, 8th is a safe, strategic pick for most of the coaches. Thing is, we're loaded w talent, and everyone knows it. It's an interesting storyline heading into these practice weeks, tempered expectations but we could breakout at any moment. 10 deep as CM put it today, I think we finish 4th and are a year ahead of the curve.
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I completely understand where the seeding lands, 8th is a safe, strategic pick for most of the coaches. Thing is, we're loaded w talent, and everyone knows it. It's an interesting storyline heading into these practice weeks, tempered expectations but we could breakout at any moment. 10 deep as CM put it today, I think we finish 4th and are a year ahead of the curve.
Admire your optimism, but I think your expectations are higher than staff's. :) Pray LoVett is healthy most of the year, being the only true PG in my opinion.
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http://nypost.com/2016/10/12/what-can-st-johns-fans-expect-in-year-2-of-chris-mullin-era/
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8th is reasonable. 8th would suck at the same time.
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So many new pieces and such a young team. In a league with a lot of veteran talented teams like the Big East I think making a huge jump would be tough. The talent is there but the talent is very green and haven't played much at all together. Maybe they can come together quick and really make some noise but I tend to feel we will finish 7th or 8th and have a chance at the NIT. Next year with another year under their belts and two talented high level players like simon and Clark being added to the mix along with the center Brown that would still be the year for me where we need to bust in to the top 3-4 in the conference.
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I'd be happy if they finished 6th. It would be slightly above expectations, but with a lot of upside for next year's junior-heavy team.
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I'd be happy if they finished 6th. It would be slightly above expectations, but with a lot of upside for next year's junior-heavy team.
Agree
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I completely understand where the seeding lands, 8th is a safe, strategic pick for most of the coaches. Thing is, we're loaded w talent, and everyone knows it. It's an interesting storyline heading into these practice weeks, tempered expectations but we could breakout at any moment. 10 deep as CM put it today, I think we finish 4th and are a year ahead of the curve.
Admire your optimism, but I think your expectations are higher than staff's. :) Pray LoVett is healthy most of the year, being the only true PG in my opinion.
I think we'll take our bumps in the OOC, but by the time the BE round robin starts we'll be ready to compete and break out.
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I completely understand where the seeding lands, 8th is a safe, strategic pick for most of the coaches. Thing is, we're loaded w talent, and everyone knows it. It's an interesting storyline heading into these practice weeks, tempered expectations but we could breakout at any moment. 10 deep as CM put it today, I think we finish 4th and are a year ahead of the curve.
Admire your optimism, but I think your expectations are higher than staff's. :) Pray LoVett is healthy most of the year, being the only true PG in my opinion.
I think we'll take our bumps in the OOC, but by the time the BE round robin starts we'll be ready to compete and break out.
So Bethune Cookman will handle us. And we break out against Nova?
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I completely understand where the seeding lands, 8th is a safe, strategic pick for most of the coaches. Thing is, we're loaded w talent, and everyone knows it. It's an interesting storyline heading into these practice weeks, tempered expectations but we could breakout at any moment. 10 deep as CM put it today, I think we finish 4th and are a year ahead of the curve.
Admire your optimism, but I think your expectations are higher than staff's. :) Pray LoVett is healthy most of the year, being the only true PG in my opinion.
I think we'll take our bumps in the OOC, but by the time the BE round robin starts we'll be ready to compete and break out.
So Bethune Cookman will handle us. And we break out against Nova?
That's not even funny, talk to me when you're ready to discuss this season maturely. CM aligned a pretty solid OOC schedule, should produce a good RPI. November brings @Minnesota, Michigan St./VCU or Baylor on neutral floor. December has nice tests with @Tulane, Penn St. and @Cuse. I like how battle tested they'll be heading into the BE season and think that they'll peak during the course of it.
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I completely understand where the seeding lands, 8th is a safe, strategic pick for most of the coaches. Thing is, we're loaded w talent, and everyone knows it. It's an interesting storyline heading into these practice weeks, tempered expectations but we could breakout at any moment. 10 deep as CM put it today, I think we finish 4th and are a year ahead of the curve.
Admire your optimism, but I think your expectations are higher than staff's. :) Pray LoVett is healthy most of the year, being the only true PG in my opinion.
I think we'll take our bumps in the OOC, but by the time the BE round robin starts we'll be ready to compete and break out.
don't know how long it will last, but loving the true round robin. just received tickets today, and great to see every conference opponent once in person. OOC will be tough especially since all of the legit teams are on the road (they really should try to get at least one marquee OOC game at the garden every year...)
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I completely understand where the seeding lands, 8th is a safe, strategic pick for most of the coaches. Thing is, we're loaded w talent, and everyone knows it. It's an interesting storyline heading into these practice weeks, tempered expectations but we could breakout at any moment. 10 deep as CM put it today, I think we finish 4th and are a year ahead of the curve.
Admire your optimism, but I think your expectations are higher than staff's. :) Pray LoVett is healthy most of the year, being the only true PG in my opinion.
I think we'll take our bumps in the OOC, but by the time the BE round robin starts we'll be ready to compete and break out.
So Bethune Cookman will handle us. And we break out against Nova?
That's not even funny, talk to me when you're ready to discuss this season maturely. CM aligned a pretty solid OOC schedule, should produce a good RPI. November brings @Minnesota, Michigan St./VCU or Baylor on neutral floor. December has nice tests with @Tulane, Penn St. and @Cuse. I like how battle tested they'll be heading into the BE season and think that they'll peak during the course of it.
Looking forward to spanking Nova and Mich St
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I completely understand where the seeding lands, 8th is a safe, strategic pick for most of the coaches. Thing is, we're loaded w talent, and everyone knows it. It's an interesting storyline heading into these practice weeks, tempered expectations but we could breakout at any moment. 10 deep as CM put it today, I think we finish 4th and are a year ahead of the curve.
Admire your optimism, but I think your expectations are higher than staff's. :) Pray LoVett is healthy most of the year, being the only true PG in my opinion.
I think we'll take our bumps in the OOC, but by the time the BE round robin starts we'll be ready to compete and break out.
So Bethune Cookman will handle us. And we break out against Nova?
That's not even funny, talk to me when you're ready to discuss this season maturely. CM aligned a pretty solid OOC schedule, should produce a good RPI. November brings @Minnesota, Michigan St./VCU or Baylor on neutral floor. December has nice tests with @Tulane, Penn St. and @Cuse. I like how battle tested they'll be heading into the BE season and think that they'll peak during the course of it.
I like your optimism too, and I agree the talent is there.
I think we'll finish lower in the standings because the team is too young to be consistent.
We might have top 5 talent, and maybe there will be nights we play like it.
But too many fresh and sophs to think we'll be consistent.
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I completely understand where the seeding lands, 8th is a safe, strategic pick for most of the coaches. Thing is, we're loaded w talent, and everyone knows it. It's an interesting storyline heading into these practice weeks, tempered expectations but we could breakout at any moment. 10 deep as CM put it today, I think we finish 4th and are a year ahead of the curve.
Admire your optimism, but I think your expectations are higher than staff's. :) Pray LoVett is healthy most of the year, being the only true PG in my opinion.
I think we'll take our bumps in the OOC, but by the time the BE round robin starts we'll be ready to compete and break out.
So Bethune Cookman will handle us. And we break out against Nova?
That's not even funny, talk to me when you're ready to discuss this season maturely. CM aligned a pretty solid OOC schedule, should produce a good RPI. November brings @Minnesota, Michigan St./VCU or Baylor on neutral floor. December has nice tests with @Tulane, Penn St. and @Cuse. I like how battle tested they'll be heading into the BE season and think that they'll peak during the course of it.
I like your optimism too, and I agree the talent is there.
I think we'll finish lower in the standings because the team is too young to be consistent.
We might have top 5 talent, and maybe there will be nights we play like it.
But too many fresh and sophs to think we'll be consistent.
+1
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I completely understand where the seeding lands, 8th is a safe, strategic pick for most of the coaches. Thing is, we're loaded w talent, and everyone knows it. It's an interesting storyline heading into these practice weeks, tempered expectations but we could breakout at any moment. 10 deep as CM put it today, I think we finish 4th and are a year ahead of the curve.
Admire your optimism, but I think your expectations are higher than staff's. :) Pray LoVett is healthy most of the year, being the only true PG in my opinion.
I think we'll take our bumps in the OOC, but by the time the BE round robin starts we'll be ready to compete and break out.
So Bethune Cookman will handle us. And we break out against Nova?
That's not even funny, talk to me when you're ready to discuss this season maturely. CM aligned a pretty solid OOC schedule, should produce a good RPI. November brings @Minnesota, Michigan St./VCU or Baylor on neutral floor. December has nice tests with @Tulane, Penn St. and @Cuse. I like how battle tested they'll be heading into the BE season and think that they'll peak during the course of it.
I like your optimism too, and I agree the talent is there.
I think we'll finish lower in the standings because the team is too young to be consistent.
We might have top 5 talent, and maybe there will be nights we play like it.
But too many fresh and sophs to think we'll be consistent.
Where do you get top 5 talent? We haven't had that since Erick Barkley and Rob Artest played here. Best case scenario is we play like we have top 50 talent on our best day.
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I completely understand where the seeding lands, 8th is a safe, strategic pick for most of the coaches. Thing is, we're loaded w talent, and everyone knows it. It's an interesting storyline heading into these practice weeks, tempered expectations but we could breakout at any moment. 10 deep as CM put it today, I think we finish 4th and are a year ahead of the curve.
Admire your optimism, but I think your expectations are higher than staff's. :) Pray LoVett is healthy most of the year, being the only true PG in my opinion.
I think we'll take our bumps in the OOC, but by the time the BE round robin starts we'll be ready to compete and break out.
So Bethune Cookman will handle us. And we break out against Nova?
That's not even funny, talk to me when you're ready to discuss this season maturely. CM aligned a pretty solid OOC schedule, should produce a good RPI. November brings @Minnesota, Michigan St./VCU or Baylor on neutral floor. December has nice tests with @Tulane, Penn St. and @Cuse. I like how battle tested they'll be heading into the BE season and think that they'll peak during the course of it.
I like your optimism too, and I agree the talent is there.
I think we'll finish lower in the standings because the team is too young to be consistent.
We might have top 5 talent, and maybe there will be nights we play like it.
But too many fresh and sophs to think we'll be consistent.
Where do you get top 5 talent? We haven't had that since Erick Barkley and Rob Artest played here. Best case scenario is we play like we have top 50 talent on our best day.
Think he meant top 5 in Big East
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I completely understand where the seeding lands, 8th is a safe, strategic pick for most of the coaches. Thing is, we're loaded w talent, and everyone knows it. It's an interesting storyline heading into these practice weeks, tempered expectations but we could breakout at any moment. 10 deep as CM put it today, I think we finish 4th and are a year ahead of the curve.
Admire your optimism, but I think your expectations are higher than staff's. :) Pray LoVett is healthy most of the year, being the only true PG in my opinion.
I think we'll take our bumps in the OOC, but by the time the BE round robin starts we'll be ready to compete and break out.
So Bethune Cookman will handle us. And we break out against Nova?
That's not even funny, talk to me when you're ready to discuss this season maturely. CM aligned a pretty solid OOC schedule, should produce a good RPI. November brings @Minnesota, Michigan St./VCU or Baylor on neutral floor. December has nice tests with @Tulane, Penn St. and @Cuse. I like how battle tested they'll be heading into the BE season and think that they'll peak during the course of it.
I like your optimism too, and I agree the talent is there.
I think we'll finish lower in the standings because the team is too young to be consistent.
We might have top 5 talent, and maybe there will be nights we play like it.
But too many fresh and sophs to think we'll be consistent.
Where do you get top 5 talent? We haven't had that since Erick Barkley and Rob Artest played here. Best case scenario is we play like we have top 50 talent on our best day.
Think he meant top 5 in Big East
Oh, oops. My bad.
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Getting a home win against butler to start BE play would be huge for these guys. Depaul in game 2..
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Billy Garrett sucks
Sickle Cell Disease will do that to a player...
I wouldnt have had him as a 2d teamer. He can only play 20 min a game max.
Any All BE potential on our squad?
RF, Lovett, Ponds, Bash, Yakwe?
I think Yakwe can be a 1st teamer, absolutely should be a 2nd teamer. All depends on our PG play
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Billy Garrett sucks
Sickle Cell Disease will do that to a player...
I wouldnt have had him as a 2d teamer. He can only play 20 min a game max.
Any All BE potential on our squad?
RF, Lovett, Ponds, Bash, Yakwe?
I think Yakwe can be a 1st teamer, absolutely should be a 2nd teamer. All depends on our PG play
Not disagreeing, but he would need to develop his offensive repertoire (had to check spelling), which I think will happen with this staff. Maybe some post moves and def would need a go-to move. He has all the physical tools.
Without seeing Lovett or Ponds in any games yet, I would think that Ellison has the most straightforward linear path to be an All BE type player. He has the size, skills, and confidence. He just needs to make that jump and put it all together and do it consistently, game in game out. If he doesnt, Simon is taking his minutes next year.
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Freud easily has the potential to be all BE next year, this year would be a stretch. I think by mid-season he will begin to look like an excellent 3.
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Billy Garrett sucks
Sickle Cell Disease will do that to a player...
I wouldnt have had him as a 2d teamer. He can only play 20 min a game max.
Any All BE potential on our squad?
RF, Lovett, Ponds, Bash, Yakwe?
I think Yakwe can be a 1st teamer, absolutely should be a 2nd teamer. All depends on our PG play
The potential is there but minutes will be hard to come by.
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Billy Garrett sucks
Sickle Cell Disease will do that to a player...
I wouldnt have had him as a 2d teamer. He can only play 20 min a game max.
Any All BE potential on our squad?
RF, Lovett, Ponds, Bash, Yakwe?
I think Yakwe can be a 1st teamer, absolutely should be a 2nd teamer. All depends on our PG play
The potential is there but minutes will be hard to come by.
Who Ya think is taking his minutes?
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Billy Garrett sucks
Sickle Cell Disease will do that to a player...
I wouldnt have had him as a 2d teamer. He can only play 20 min a game max.
Any All BE potential on our squad?
RF, Lovett, Ponds, Bash, Yakwe?
I think Yakwe can be a 1st teamer, absolutely should be a 2nd teamer. All depends on our PG play
The potential is there but minutes will be hard to come by.
Who Ya think is taking his minutes?
Why All Big East forward Derian Williams, of course.
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Billy Garrett sucks
Sickle Cell Disease will do that to a player...
I wouldnt have had him as a 2d teamer. He can only play 20 min a game max.
Any All BE potential on our squad?
RF, Lovett, Ponds, Bash, Yakwe?
I think Yakwe can be a 1st teamer, absolutely should be a 2nd teamer. All depends on our PG play
The potential is there but minutes will be hard to come by.
Who Ya think is taking his minutes?
RF, Owens, Sima, AA, and Bash are a lot of guys to cut into his minutes. I see him at 22
or so mpg.
Him
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Why All Big East forward Derian Williams, of course.
foad lol'ed
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Why All Big East forward Derian Williams, of course.
foad lol'ed
My lingering memory of Derian is him taking Lovett out in the Red White game. Smh.
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Why All Big East forward Derian Williams, of course.
foad lol'ed
My lingering memory of Derian is him taking Lovett out in the Red White game. Smh.
Let Derian play for the JV squad on Staten Island.
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Why All Big East forward Derian Williams, of course.
foad lol'ed
My lingering memory of Derian is him taking Lovett out in the Red White game. Smh.
Let Derian play for the JV squad on Staten Island.
Let him at least have the courtesy of correct spelling.
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Why All Big East forward Derian Williams, of course.
foad lol'ed
My lingering memory of Derian is him taking Lovett out in the Red White game. Smh.
Let Derian play for the JV squad on Staten Island.
Why such a focus on our injury prone 11th man?
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Why All Big East forward Derian Williams, of course.
foad lol'ed
My lingering memory of Derian is him taking Lovett out in the Red White game. Smh.
Let Derian play for the JV squad on Staten Island.
Why such a focus on our injury prone 11th man?
Because some touted him as the second coming w out ever seeing him play.
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Why All Big East forward Derian Williams, of course.
foad lol'ed
My lingering memory of Derian is him taking Lovett out in the Red White game. Smh.
Let Derian play for the JV squad on Staten Island.
Why such a focus on our injury prone 11th man?
Because some touted him as the second coming w out ever seeing him play.
@JonRothstein: Will be instant starter RT @ECoastBias: St. John's lands Darien Williams. #sjubb http://t.co/lej6Bvxcwg…
@JonRothstein: Several college coaches believe the gem of St. John's recruiting class is JUCO import Darien Williams. Think Jonathan Holmes. #sjubb
Not sure it's worth belaboring like you have been. He was "touted" as a "starter" on the worst team in school history and the "gem" of a recruiting class that was formed in less than 4 months. Then he re-injured a surgically-repaired shoulder after a just a few games.
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Why All Big East forward Derian Williams, of course.
foad lol'ed
My lingering memory of Derian is him taking Lovett out in the Red White game. Smh.
Let Derian play for the JV squad on Staten Island.
Why such a focus on our injury prone 11th man?
Because some touted him as the second coming w out ever seeing him play.
@JonRothstein: Will be instant starter RT @ECoastBias: St. John's lands Darien Williams. #sjubb http://t.co/lej6Bvxcwg…
@JonRothstein: Several college coaches believe the gem of St. John's recruiting class is JUCO import Darien Williams. Think Jonathan Holmes. #sjubb
Not sure it's worth belaboring like you have been. He was "touted" as a "starter" on the worst team in school history and the "gem" of a recruiting class that was formed in less than 4 months. Then he re-injured a surgically-repaired shoulder after a just a few games.
He was never the gem of the class. That would undoubtedly be Yakwe. What Williams was, and what he represents is a culture of hyperbol that always sets up programs like ours for disappointment. No one even saw this kid play, but that didn't people from hyping him up into the next Walter Berry. When will the lesson be learned?
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Why All Big East forward Derian Williams, of course.
foad lol'ed
My lingering memory of Derian is him taking Lovett out in the Red White game. Smh.
Let Derian play for the JV squad on Staten Island.
Why such a focus on our injury prone 11th man?
Because some touted him as the second coming w out ever seeing him play.
@JonRothstein: Will be instant starter RT @ECoastBias: St. John's lands Darien Williams. #sjubb http://t.co/lej6Bvxcwg…
@JonRothstein: Several college coaches believe the gem of St. John's recruiting class is JUCO import Darien Williams. Think Jonathan Holmes. #sjubb
Not sure it's worth belaboring like you have been. He was "touted" as a "starter" on the worst team in school history and the "gem" of a recruiting class that was formed in less than 4 months. Then he re-injured a surgically-repaired shoulder after a just a few games.
He was never the gem of the class. That would undoubtedly be Yakwe. What Williams was, and what he represents is a culture of hyperbol that always sets up programs like ours for disappointment. No one even saw this kid play, but that didn't people from hyping him up into the next Walter Berry. When will the lesson be learned?
Yakwe was not yet in the fold when Rothstein made those reports.
Literally no one said he'd be the next Walter Berry. I'm not even sure if anyone suggested he would be an all league caliber player. The hyperbole seems to be your reaction.
In any event, I can't see this kid playing meaningful minutes this year. I hope Mullin keeps the rotation tight despite our depth.
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One never knows. We have not seen him healthy. If he can retain his health , he may be a better player than many think. We really needed him last year, this year, not so much.
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I completely understand where the seeding lands, 8th is a safe, strategic pick for most of the coaches. Thing is, we're loaded w talent, and everyone knows it. It's an interesting storyline heading into these practice weeks, tempered expectations but we could breakout at any moment. 10 deep as CM put it today, I think we finish 4th and are a year ahead of the curve.
Admire your optimism, but I think your expectations are higher than staff's. :) Pray LoVett is healthy most of the year, being the only true PG in my opinion.
I think we'll take our bumps in the OOC, but by the time the BE round robin starts we'll be ready to compete and break out.
don't know how long it will last, but loving the true round robin. just received tickets today, and great to see every conference opponent once in person. OOC will be tough especially since all of the legit teams are on the road (they really should try to get at least one marquee OOC game at the garden every year...)
Your tickets arrived already Apes?
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I completely understand where the seeding lands, 8th is a safe, strategic pick for most of the coaches. Thing is, we're loaded w talent, and everyone knows it. It's an interesting storyline heading into these practice weeks, tempered expectations but we could breakout at any moment. 10 deep as CM put it today, I think we finish 4th and are a year ahead of the curve.
Admire your optimism, but I think your expectations are higher than staff's. :) Pray LoVett is healthy most of the year, being the only true PG in my opinion.
I think we'll take our bumps in the OOC, but by the time the BE round robin starts we'll be ready to compete and break out.
don't know how long it will last, but loving the true round robin. just received tickets today, and great to see every conference opponent once in person. OOC will be tough especially since all of the legit teams are on the road (they really should try to get at least one marquee OOC game at the garden every year...)
Your tickets arrived already Apes?
Yea. Wednesday. Seems early for them
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I completely understand where the seeding lands, 8th is a safe, strategic pick for most of the coaches. Thing is, we're loaded w talent, and everyone knows it. It's an interesting storyline heading into these practice weeks, tempered expectations but we could breakout at any moment. 10 deep as CM put it today, I think we finish 4th and are a year ahead of the curve.
Admire your optimism, but I think your expectations are higher than staff's. :) Pray LoVett is healthy most of the year, being the only true PG in my opinion.
I think we'll take our bumps in the OOC, but by the time the BE round robin starts we'll be ready to compete and break out.
don't know how long it will last, but loving the true round robin. just received tickets today, and great to see every conference opponent once in person. OOC will be tough especially since all of the legit teams are on the road (they really should try to get at least one marquee OOC game at the garden every year...)
Your tickets arrived already Apes?
Yea. Wednesday. Seems early for them
Damn still have not received my tickets yet. They still only send stock tickets or are the players back on the Garden tickets?
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I completely understand where the seeding lands, 8th is a safe, strategic pick for most of the coaches. Thing is, we're loaded w talent, and everyone knows it. It's an interesting storyline heading into these practice weeks, tempered expectations but we could breakout at any moment. 10 deep as CM put it today, I think we finish 4th and are a year ahead of the curve.
Admire your optimism, but I think your expectations are higher than staff's. :) Pray LoVett is healthy most of the year, being the only true PG in my opinion.
I think we'll take our bumps in the OOC, but by the time the BE round robin starts we'll be ready to compete and break out.
don't know how long it will last, but loving the true round robin. just received tickets today, and great to see every conference opponent once in person. OOC will be tough especially since all of the legit teams are on the road (they really should try to get at least one marquee OOC game at the garden every year...)
Your tickets arrived already Apes?
Yea. Wednesday. Seems early for them
Damn still have not received my tickets yet. They still only send stock tickets or are the players back on the Garden tickets?
Got my tix last week as well. They're all regular stock tickets.