6th Man of St. John's Basketball
St. John's Red Storm => In The Jungle... => Topic started by: BannerMountainMan on March 15, 2020, 12:32:17 PM
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Gonna be fun to talk about, let’s just say LJ leaves and we’ll leave him out of the lineup, but if he stays he’ll just be plugged into the 3 or 4 spot.
I’d love to see a lineup of
P. Alexander
R. Dunn
G. Williams
V. Cole
J Roberts
The you freaking got
McGriff
Wusu
Caraher
Moore
Steere
Sears
Earlington coming in, not even counting the 1 good transfer Mike will get if LJ doesn’t come back. Going to be a really fun year.
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Very encouraging. If LJ does leave then let's get another big in here.
A 20 win season for Anderson in Year 2? It's possible.
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Gonna be fun to talk about, let’s just say LJ leaves and we’ll leave him out of the lineup, but if he stays he’ll just be plugged into the 3 or 4 spot.
I’d love to see a lineup of
P. Alexander
R. Dunn
G. Williams
V. Cole
J Roberts
The you freaking got
McGriff
Wusu
Caraher
Moore
Steere
Sears
Earlington coming in, not even counting the 1 good transfer Mike will get if LJ doesn’t come back. Going to be a really fun year.
I don’t think we can identify starters at this point, but I think Champagnie has to be one of them.
Dunn could be a spark off the bench in certain games, but until he develops a consistent jump shot, he’s limited in what he can do.
My 5 for next season considering what we know now...
Alexander - PG
Cole - SG
Figueroa - SF
Earlington - PF
Roberts - C
Dunn and Williams are the first two off the bench. Also, we don’t know if everyone is coming back. I doubt it. Dunn could bolt. Guys like Caraher and Steere might be more suited to play at a lower level.
The players that stood out to me who could make a big jump are Champagnie and Earlington. Both started to come into their own recently. Hopefully, they can build on their recent success.
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I don’t think we can identify starters at this point, but I think Champagnie has to be one of them.
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My 5 for next season considering what we know now...
Alexander - PG
Cole - SG
Figueroa - SF
Earlington - PF
Roberts - C
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How do we leave him off any starting 5....he was our best player the last 3 weeks!!so FOAD I’m with you on this one..
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I don’t think we can identify starters at this point, but I think Champagnie has to be one of them.
Dunn could be a spark off the bench in certain games, but until he develops a consistent jump shot, he’s limited in what he can do.
My 5 for next season considering what we know now...
Alexander - PG
Cole - SG
Figueroa - SF
Earlington - PF
Roberts - C
Dunn and Williams are the first two off the bench. Also, we don’t know if everyone is coming back. I doubt it. Dunn could bolt. Guys like Caraher and Steere might be more suited to play at a lower level.
The players that stood out to me who could make a big jump are Champagnie and Earlington. Both started to come into their own recently. Hopefully, they can build on their recent success.
How the heck do I forget the best player on this team this year????? Holy cow that adds another dimension. How do I forget freaking JULIAN CHAMPAGNIE
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How do we leave him off any starting 5....he was our best player the last 3 weeks!!so FOAD I’m with you on this one..
Obviously good old Poison made a sin of omission and I was just ribbing him. Sub Champagnie for LJF, if he comes back I'll eat my hat, he checked out three months ago.
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I would go
Pg Alexander
Sg Cole
Sf figgy
Pf Julian
C Roberts
Then
McGriff
Dunn
Williams
Earlington
Off bench
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I think in BE competition Earlington has looked better then Roberts and deserves to start over him. Posh , Williams, Cole ,Champ, ME assuming LJ doesn’t return.
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You'd hope Posh walks in as a day 1 starter but could be Dunn.
Dunn and Roberts are best suited to be energy spark guys off the bench. Same for Earlington. Honestly that's a solid second punch.
I know nothing about Cole but I hope he can be an option scorer.
Haven't heard much talk on transfer front but hasn't really been listening either. Hope everyone stays but good chance they don't.
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With how Anderson utilizes his bench I'm not sure the "starter" versus "reserve" distinction matters that much. Based on the Earlington's and Williams improvement this year, I wouldn't be shocked if either ends up starting.
You'd hope Posh walks in as a day 1 starter but could be Dunn.
Dunn and Roberts are best suited to be energy spark guys off the bench. Same for Earlington. Honestly that's a solid second punch.
I know nothing about Cole but I hope he can be an option scorer.
Haven't heard much talk on transfer front but hasn't really been listening either. Hope everyone stays but good chance they don't.
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With how Anderson utilizes his bench I'm not sure the "starter" versus "reserve" distinction matters that much. Based on the Earlington's and Williams improvement this year, I wouldn't be shocked if either ends up starting.
You right....in his system staring really doesn’t matter....only guaranteed starters at this point to me are a Posh. Julian and LJ if he stays....
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Gonna be fun to talk about, let’s just say LJ leaves and we’ll leave him out of the lineup, but if he stays he’ll just be plugged into the 3 or 4 spot.
I’d love to see a lineup of
P. Alexander
R. Dunn
G. Williams
V. Cole
J Roberts
The you freaking got
McGriff
Wusu
Caraher
Moore
Steere
Sears
Earlington coming in, not even counting the 1 good transfer Mike will get if LJ doesn’t come back. Going to be a really fun year.
First of all, this is way too small of a lineup. You think a 195-200 lb scrawny Cole can play PF?
Second, the starting lineup next year begins with Champagnie.
Third, I expect there to be some significant roster upheaval.
Best guess now is:
Posh
Williams
Cole
Champagnie
Roberts
Dunn first guard off the bench. Earlington and Moore first bigs. McGriff next.
There is no excuse for not adding a quality grad transfer big man.
I wouldn’t be surprised to see Ray Salnave end up here given his skill set and how well his backup, Rutherford, faired in terms of minutes.
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Obviously good old Poison made a sin of omission and I was just ribbing him. Sub Champagnie for LJF, if he comes back I'll eat my hat, he checked out three months ago.
Lol. Oops.
I guess this is a tough one.
We have to hope that Posh Alexander is ready to be a starter. It’s asking a lot.
If LJ stays, he’s starting at his position. But I agree, I wouldn’t bet on him staying.
And in that case, I guess it’s...
Alexander -PG
Cole - SG
Earlington - SF
Champagnie - PF
Roberts - C
The easiest challenge here is putting Roberts at center. There isn’t anyone else that we’ve seen that challenges him for that nod. He certainly wasn’t an above average starter, but we have no one else.
Season hinges on what Alexander and Cole can do by the time BE play begins.
We’ll probably have a couple of transfers. Caraher, Steere, Sears and who knows, maybe Dunn will bolt.
From there, Coach Anderson has to improve his recruiting. We’ll see if he can.
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Lol. Oops.
I guess this is a tough one.
We have to hope that Posh Alexander is ready to be a starter. It’s asking a lot.
If LJ stays, he’s starting at his position. But I agree, I wouldn’t bet on him staying.
And in that case, I guess it’s...
Alexander -PG
Cole - SG
Earlington - SF
Champagnie - PF
Roberts - C
The easiest challenge here is putting Roberts at center. There isn’t anyone else that we’ve seen that challenges him for that nod. He certainly wasn’t an above average starter, but we have no one else.
Season hinges on what Alexander and Cole can do by the time BE play begins.
We’ll probably have a couple of transfers. Caraher, Steere, Sears and who knows, maybe Dunn will bolt.
From there, Coach Anderson has to improve his recruiting. We’ll see if he can.
Earlington as a SF🙄 Do you even watch basketball?
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Earlington and Champaigne as our 4/5 was our best look this year. Make up for their lack of height buy forcing the other teams 4/5 to guard on the perimeter. I wanna see that continue.
Posh
Williams
LJ
Champaigne
Earlington
Dunn
Cole
Moore
Roberts
Mggriff
Caraher
Wusu
CMA should have his 9-10 guys he needs.
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And in that case, I guess it’s...
Alexander -PG
Cole - SG
Earlington - SF
Champagnie - PF
Roberts - C
As we sit here today I agree except Roberts starting, I don't think MA is a Roberts fan. I think Moore is the fifth guy, despite the fact that I've never seen him play. Dunn, Roberts, and Williams comprise the second wave. Cadaver, Sears and Steere follow. It's not good but it's not the worst I've ever seen either, but then I'm very very old.
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Earlington as a SF🙄 Do you even watch basketball?
Where should he play then oh wise one?
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As we sit here today I agree except Roberts starting, I don't think MA is a Roberts fan. I think Moore is the fifth guy, despite the fact that I've never seen him play. Dunn, Roberts, and Williams comprise the second wave. Cadaver, Sears and Steere follow. It's not good but it's not the worst I've ever seen either, but then I'm very very old.
Roberts improved this season, but we can all see that he’s in the doghouse. He gets completely lost on defense way too often.
I think Roberts and Earlington went through some growing pains this season that will prepare them for next season.
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Where should he play then oh wise one?
Center or PF. Playing him at SF takes away all of the advantages he has over taller players.
It looks like Anderson wants to get a ton of points from big men in secondary transition and scramble situations. Guys like Champagnie and Earlington mitigate the soze differential by scoring cheap points against stiff backpedaling monsters.
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As we sit here today I agree except Roberts starting, I don't think MA is a Roberts fan. I think Moore is the fifth guy, despite the fact that I've never seen him play. Dunn, Roberts, and Williams comprise the second wave. Cadaver, Sears and Steere follow. It's not good but it's not the worst I've ever seen either, but then I'm very very old.
Yea I hear your point and think it’s true that Anderson didn’t seem to be in love with Roberts.....I don’t think sears and steere will be here, but like the rotation you chose...
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Center or PF. Playing him at SF takes away all of the advantages he has over taller players.
It looks like Anderson wants to get a ton of points from big men in secondary transition and scramble situations. Guys like Champagnie and Earlington mitigate the soze differential by scoring cheap points against stiff backpedaling monsters.
Earlington has excelled at times playing against undersized bigs. Other times, he’s been eaten alive.
The guy doesn’t really have a position but he made difference at times because he has a knack for the ball, and because he started hit the three ball.
I think he could play both forward positions for us next season, but I don’t like him at center because he can’t guard anyone.
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Read on RMN that Sears is transferring, I think you could also say good bye to Steere. Hopefully we can get the elusive grad transfer big we have wanted for years.
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A good amount of 6'9, 6'10, 7 footers on the transfer wire. Just need one.
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With how Anderson utilizes his bench I'm not sure the "starter" versus "reserve" distinction matters that much. Based on the Earlington's and Williams improvement this year, I wouldn't be shocked if either ends up starting.
I disagree that it doesn't matter. Establishing tempo, defense, tone of game is important. That counter punch after first media timeout is equally as important too.
I think where "starters" are underrated is at end of the game. Guys you mentioned might be closers for sure but that doesn't mean they need to be starters.
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Earlington has excelled at times playing against undersized bigs. Other times, he’s been eaten alive.
The guy doesn’t really have a position but he made difference at times because he has a knack for the ball, and because he started hit the three ball.
I think he could play both forward positions for us next season, but I don’t like him at center because he can’t guard anyone.
Do you think he can guard small forwards?! I’d put him on a center all day over a SF.
Champagnie is a much better perimeter defender.
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Read on RMN that Sears is transferring, I think you could also say good bye to Steere. Hopefully we can get the elusive grad transfer big we have wanted for years.
I wonder if Sears is graduating because if he is it would make more sense if he chooses to play somewhere where he can actually get min.
If he he isn't idk what sense it makes to sit out. Also for 1 more year to have big man depth isn't horrible unless you can plug with someone better.
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Do you think he can guard small forwards?! I’d put him on a center all day over a SF.
Champagnie is a much better perimeter defender.
Earlington couldn’t guard anyone at any position. He needs to learn how to defend this summer.
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At the first game of the 2020-2021 regular season:
PG - Dunn
SG - Williams
SF - Figueroa/Cole
PF - Champagnie
C - Earlington
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At the first game of the 2020-2021 regular season:
PG - Dunn
SG - Williams
SF - Figueroa/Cole
PF - Champagnie
C - Earlington
Dunn at the point would be a disaster. Hopefully one of the young kids
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Dunn was playing out of position all season long. He is NOT a PG. Yet he was forced to man the point too much this season. He will be much more effective in his true role of scoring guard next season. The kid can really take it to the rack and create. With Posh and McGriff playing PG Dunn should have a nice season next year.
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Dunn was playing out of position all season long. He is NOT a PG. Yet he was forced to man the point too much this season. He will be much more effective in his true role of scoring guard next season. The kid can really take it to the rack and create. With Posh and McGriff playing PG Dunn should have a nice season next year.
I agree overall but the question is whether Anderson will open up the season with either Posh or McGriff as starting point guards ... i would think he eases them in after a few games
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I agree overall but the question is whether Anderson will open up the season with either Posh or McGriff as starting point guards ... i would think he eases them in after a few games
You're probably right but we'll see. This team could be really solid next year. I'd love to see one more big (6'8-6'10, 230+) on the roster.
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I agree overall but the question is whether Anderson will open up the season with either Posh or McGriff as starting point guards ... i would think he eases them in after a few games
No they will get 35+ minutes at the point combined from the first practice.
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No they will get 35+ minutes at the point combined from the first practice.
Totally agree....posh was a 4 star and will be heading back there as soon as ratings are updated...kid had a monster year against the countries best competition...could make an argument that he was one of best 10 hs point guards in the country this year....he will be your starter on day 1!!
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could make an argument that he was one of best 10 hs point guards in the country this year.
Wishful thinking times ten
he will be your starter on day 1!!
Probably he will, which is unfortunate, because freshman point guards. See also Cook, Omar.
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Wishful thinking times ten
Probably he will, which is unfortunate, because freshman point guards. See also Cook, Omar.
FOAD before your response please take a breath and look at the facts...he is ranked as a top 25 combo guard right now which would put him in top 25 PG easy...I’m just saying after the schedule he played and his numbers he will def move up and after comparing his season to all the other PGs he looks to me like a top 10 guy....
As for next year, I wish we had a upperclassmen he could learn from and get time off bench, but as we both have said many times this year, we don’t have a point guard....so to me, he will def start...
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No they will get 35+ minutes at the point combined from the first practice.
McGriff has the penetrating quickness with a point guard mindset that will surprise you all. Expect 20Minutes plus and a nice distributor.
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FOAD before your response please take a breath and look at the facts...he is ranked as a top 25 combo guard right now which would put him in top 25 PG easy.
Charitably speaking that's an absurd statement that has nothing to do with facts looked at or otherwise.
he looks to me like a top 10 guy....
Fair enough, but I don't care what he looks like to you and what he looks like to you is a baromoter of nothing except your hopeless homerism. If he'd committed to Seton Hall after leaning to SJU you'd be downplaying his abilities and addition by subtraction-ing his cancerism. I know your type.
As for next year, I wish we had a upperclassmen he could learn from and get time off bench, but as we both have said many times this year, we don’t have a point guard....so to me, he will def start...
Finally we agree: most freshmen point guards stink and would be better seen only as sophomores or even juniors. Hopefully he's an exception to the rule. That said I said he'd start two days ago. Thanks for catching up.
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At the Start of the season:
PG Dunn
2G Williams
SF Cole
PF Earlington
C Champagnie
By the end of the year
PG Anderson
2G Williams
SF Cole
PF Champagnie / Earlington
C Moore (Not sure what position he plays or how good he will be - but hoping we can move
Champagnie to the PF position with Earlington
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At the Start of the season:
PG Dunn
2G Williams
SF Cole
PF Earlington
C Champagnie
By the end of the year
PG Anderson
2G Williams
SF Cole
PF Champagnie / Earlington
C Moore (Not sure what position he plays or how good he will be - but hoping we can move
Champagnie to the PF position with Earlington
I don’t think coach can start Dunn at the point. He showed us this year that he isn’t a point guard. If we have a natural point guard coming in, that’s who needs to run the offense.
Dunn should come off the bench, and at times I do think he can really help us. I just don’t see it if he’s asked to run the offense for 35 minutes.
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Dunn won’t be point. It’s not even worth discussing. He’s an undersized SF or SG that can’t shoot that well. He’s not a point.
He’s got a very good handle but he is too rushed and doesn’t have the decision-making to run a team. He would make a very good second ball-handler alongside Posh or McGriff.
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McGriff has the penetrating quickness with a point guard mindset that will surprise you all. Expect 20Minutes plus and a nice distributor.
Not one poster predicted 1/3 of the stats I had for him pre-injury, so it won’t surprise me if he does well or even beats out Posh. It all depends on his health and how much experience he got this season in practice.
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Not one poster predicted 1/3 of the stats I had for him pre-injury, so it won’t surprise me if he does well or even beats out Posh. It all depends on his health and how much experience he got this season in practice.
I hope your right.....I def think he would have helped this year, especially late in games...good thing is that as a coach I always like when there is competition between teammates and this will def be a good for both of them and the team....
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I totally agree that Dunn is not a point guard. He is a 2G who can't shoot. I just think coach will be forced to play him there till Posh is ready to run the point full time. Dunn will not have to play 35 minutes at the point. He will share that duty with Posh. That is why I have him starting at the beginning of the season, but not at the end.
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If Earlington can learn to defend in the paint, I could see us going with...
Alexander - PG
Cole - SG
Williams - SF
Earlington - PF
Champagnie - C
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If Earlington can learn to defend in the paint, I could see us going with...
Alexander - PG
Cole - SG
Williams - SF
Earlington - PF
Champagnie - C
Are you all there man? Seriously?
You’ve got a 6’6-6’7 kid playing SG and a 6’2-6’3 kid playing SF? I haven’t seen Cole playing defense for a second, but how many 6’6-6’7 kids can defend Big East caliber combos? Cole is a SF who can shoot. Williams is a guard and who can defend both the one and two.
Champagnie is way more of a forward than Earlington, but that is far less egregious.
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I don’t know where to post it since the recruiting section hasn’t been updated, but Juju Murray is an absolute stud for 2021 and it looks like there are no big schools after him other than Dayton. Very puzzling.
He’s ranked #136 according to 24/7. This is obviously a top 60 talent. Top Marillac grade here. Get it done. Jesus Christ.
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Forgot to post-
Just wanted to congratulate St.Johns commit Posh Alexander on his selection as one of the 5 finalist for New York State Mr. Basketball and congrats to Tar-Heel commit R.J. Davies who won the award....
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How bout a
Williams
Cole
LJ
Moore
Earlington lineup
I know it’s weird to have a 6’10 guy at 4 and 6’6 at the 5 but Earlington has proved he can play the 5, you could switch them also but this lineup can stroke 1-5 and create so many mismatches in just one lineup, offensive FIREPOWER, maybe a top 2 offensive lineup in the bE
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How bout a
Williams
Cole
LJ
Moore
Earlington lineup
I know it’s weird to have a 6’10 guy at 4 and 6’6 at the 5 but Earlington has proved he can play the 5, you could switch them also but this lineup can stroke 1-5 and create so many mismatches in just one lineup, offensive FIREPOWER, maybe a top 2 offensive lineup in the bE
Champagne should be in there and then posh at the pg
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After watching more video I’m guessing that this will be it if LJ bolts...
Posh - PG
Williams - SG
Cole - SF
Earlington - PF
Champagnie - C
Earlington was a SF this year, but I think he will continue to develop his back to the basket game.
Champagnie, I expect will have to play some 4 and 5.
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I'm thinking the starting lineup looks like this if LJ leaves:
Posh
Williams
Cole
Champagnie
Toro
Bench will be very deep with Earlington, Dunn, Moore, Roberts, and McGriff. Then you got Caraher and Wusu fighting for minutes. Next season needs to get here already.
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I wouldn't be surprised to see Posh coming off the bench at the start of the season. Anderson seems like he prefers experience in his system and will give guys opportunities as they got more familiar.
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I'm thinking the starting lineup looks like this if LJ leaves:
Posh
Williams
Cole
Champagnie
Toro
Bench will be very deep with Earlington, Dunn, Moore, Roberts, and McGriff. Then you got Caraher and Wusu fighting for minutes. Next season needs to get here already.
That line up is probably more likely than mine. Depending on what he does this summer, maybe Earlington can spell both forward spots and be like a super 6th man for us?
I have not seen Toro, going by the numbers, he’s played well in the past, but we have to go back more than a year to get to the guy who put up starter numbers. His stats from last season don’t tell me he’s ahead of Roberts. Consider Roberts against similar competition. In Nov/Dec, he looked like he was going to have a strong BE season. He dropped off quick once conference play started. Either way, I like that there’s some incentive to come to campus in the fall ready. Roberts has really only had one season of playing time. He could work his butt off and come back with a post up game. Let’s see if he does.
Getting back to Toro, I’m concerned about how he’s played recently. In the last game he played, Fordham shut him down. As bad as they are, he shouldn’t need anyone else on his team to help him score the ball against that lot. I keep reading here that he was great as a freshman. So was Yakwe.
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I wouldn't be surprised to see Posh coming off the bench at the start of the season. Anderson seems like he prefers experience in his system and will give guys opportunities as they got more familiar.
That would be a mistake if there isn’t a point guard out there. Offense really struggled this year because we had one Hard working, but flawed PG. Alexander has to be the answer at the point. Or, it’s McGriff. There’s no one else.
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I'm thinking the starting lineup looks like this if LJ leaves:
Posh
Williams
Cole
Champagnie
Toro
Bench will be very deep with Earlington, Dunn, Moore, Roberts, and McGriff. Then you got Caraher and Wusu fighting for minutes. Next season needs to get here already.
I think from a pure starting point of view, CMA is more likely to lean toward guys coming back...
Dunn
Williams
Champagnie
Earlington
Roberts
Roberts is the first to come out after four minutes, replaced by Cole. Posh comes in for Dunn at the twelve minute mark. More so, who will be on the court for the final four minutes?
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I wouldn't be surprised to see Posh coming off the bench at the start of the season. Anderson seems like he prefers experience in his system and will give guys opportunities as they got more familiar.
If Dunn is playing PG for more than 5 mins a game we are in trouble. I strongly suspect Anderson can’t wait to slide him over to the two and three the second a capable QB emerges.
I really like Dunn as a secondary ball-handling option.
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That line up is probably more likely than mine. Depending on what he does this summer, maybe Earlington can spell both forward spots and be like a super 6th man for us?
I have not seen Toro, going by the numbers, he’s played well in the past, but we have to go back more than a year to get to the guy who put up starter numbers. His stats from last season don’t tell me he’s ahead of Roberts. Consider Roberts against similar competition. In Nov/Dec, he looked like he was going to have a strong BE season. He dropped off quick once conference play started. Either way, I like that there’s some incentive to come to campus in the fall ready. Roberts has really only had one season of playing time. He could work his butt off and come back with a post up game. Let’s see if he does.
Getting back to Toro, I’m concerned about how he’s played recently. In the last game he played, Fordham shut him down. As bad as they are, he shouldn’t need anyone else on his team to help him score the ball against that lot. I keep reading here that he was great as a freshman. So was Yakwe.
Sure Earlington is versatile and can play both forward spots. Just don't want him putting the ball on the floor too much as that's really his only weakness. Hopefully he works on keeping his head up when dribbling this offseason. When he does that, look out. Because his feel for the game is awesome.
I think Anderson will probably switch starting lineups around many times throughout the course of next season. There's really 8-9 guys on this team who could start and I think 9-10 guys get a lot of minutes. 15-20+ mpg.
I agree about the PF group. It will be good for both Toro and Roberts to bang a lot in practice before next season. Hopefully they toughen up Moore too.
I just checked Toro's 2017-18 highlight reel. Man he looked really effective that season. Just a strong big body which is what we always need and he does really nice work in the post. Good footwork too.
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If Dunn is playing PG for more than 5 mins a game we are in trouble. I strongly suspect Anderson can’t wait to slide him over to the two and three the second a capable QB emerges.
I really like Dunn as a secondary ball-handling option.
I agree totally...to me it’s McGriff and posh and then the other 4...
We need a true PG on floor for 40 minutes...
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I don’t think coach can start Dunn at the point. He showed us this year that he isn’t a point guard. If we have a natural point guard coming in, that’s who needs to run the offense.
Dunn should come off the bench, and at times I do think he can really help us. I just don’t see it if he’s asked to run the offense for 35 minutes.
Coach doesn't play guys 35. If he can play 8 at pt and not kill team it helps. Gets to line and makes them in clutch.
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Coach doesn't play guys 35. If he can play 8 at pt and not kill team it helps. Gets to line and makes them in clutch.
I agree your right...as long as he doesn’t have to be the number 1 guy at point then 6-8 minutes will be okay....
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PG-Williams
SG- LJ
SF-julian champagnie
PF-Marcellus
C- Josh Roberts
This line up has good size and a respectable amount of shooting ability and also gives help on the boards . A lot of chemistry with the freshmen that came in together. Downside can this lineup create their own shot without a true PG? Are they a little too slow to play 40 minutes of hell? Does this take away JC strength of playing the stretch 4?
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PG-Williams
SG- LJ
SF-julian champagnie
PF-Marcellus
C- Josh Roberts
This line up has good size and a respectable amount of shooting ability and also gives help on the boards . A lot of chemistry with the freshmen that came in together. Downside can this lineup create their own shot without a true PG? Are they a little too slow to play 40 minutes of hell? Does this take away JC strength of playing the stretch 4?
Williams has the potential to be a quality player here, but not as a point guard.
He can’t dribble.
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PG-Williams
SG- LJ
SF-julian champagnie
PF-Marcellus
C- Josh Roberts
This line up has good size and a respectable amount of shooting ability and also gives help on the boards . A lot of chemistry with the freshmen that came in together. Downside can this lineup create their own shot without a true PG? Are they a little too slow to play 40 minutes of hell? Does this take away JC strength of playing the stretch 4?
You have every player playing down a position. That is awful.
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Williams has the potential to be a quality player here, but not as a point guard.
He can’t dribble.
I agree not the best handle and not true PG but only 1 TO per game for a sophomore with spot duty at PG last year. I would look to a Jr who has experience with the other players and at that position even though it was a limited role his first two years . As an upperclassmen would be his spot to lose. Until Posh gets his bearings which may take longer with Covid-19 situation limiting players getting traditional training during the summer months. If LJ leaves insert Posh at PG and put Williams at SG.
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I agree not the best handle and not true PG but only 1 TO per game for a sophomore with spot duty at PG last year. I would look to a Jr who has experience with the other players and at that position even though it was a limited role his first two years . As an upperclassmen would be his spot to lose. Until Posh gets his bearings which may take longer with Covid-19 situation limiting players getting traditional training during the summer months. If LJ leaves insert Posh at PG and put Williams at SG.
I think Posh will be the most sound guard offensively from day one. Dunn is out of control. He’s Colin Charles, part 2. If he’s handling the ball again in crunch time, we can expect more endings like in the Georgetown game.
Williams we need to focus on defense and working on his handle enough to get to the rack. Wasu will probably not play much as a freshman.
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This is the lineup I like assuming this is our roster:
PG Posh
SG Cole
SG LJ
PF Julian
C Roberts
First subs
Williams
Duke
Dunn
And toro or move Julian over
Then
Caraher, McGriff and Moore spot fills
Wusu will work himself in as he matures
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You have every player playing down a position. That is awful.
Awful maybe a bit harsh? None of those players are slouches on the defensive end they should be able to hold their own and help out on the boards which was one of our weakness last year , those second chance points were killers.In addition foul trouble maybe offset due to more size. On the offensive side the lineup may take a slight hit because JC showed us he is a good stretch 4/5 . However Marcuells was just too good to put on the bench. Maybe it is my selfish delusion to see the freshman three progress from sparely playing to finally starting together as Jrs. New Yorkers like a good underdog story.
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I think Posh will be the most sound guard offensively from day one. Dunn is out of control. He’s Colin Charles, part 2. If he’s handling the ball again in crunch time, we can expect more endings like in the Georgetown game.
Williams we need to focus on defense and working on his handle enough to get to the rack. Wasu will probably not play much as a freshman.
I watched Posh play for years definitely the type of PG you want for 40 minutes of Hell. Tough as nails and a good leader. Thank the gods he wanted to stay home! He reminds me of one of those KU guards who are tough as nails.
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Awful maybe a bit harsh? None of those players are slouches on the defensive end they should be able to hold their own and help out on the boards which was one of our weakness last year , those second chance points were killers.In addition foul trouble maybe offset due to more size. On the offensive side the lineup may take a slight hit because JC showed us he is a good stretch 4/5 . However Marcuells was just too good to put on the bench. Maybe it is my selfish delusion to see the freshman three progress from sparely playing to finally starting together as Jrs. New Yorkers like a good underdog story.
I don’t think awful is too harsh. William hasn’t proven he can even play PG get let alone start over Posh, McGriff, or even Dunn.
We wouldn’t be able to cover anyone with that lineup either.
Basketball isn’t hard. You build from the ground up. 1a and 1b are stopping the other team from scoring and dribbling and/or passing your way to good shots.
The winner of the Posh/McGriff battle will start at PG from day one and the other will be the backup unless something unforeseen and drastic happens.
Our offense was gross this past year. It is my hope that a lot of that was due to the fact that we didn’t have a true PG running the show. The fact that Anderson got two of them should tell us all we need to know.
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I don’t think awful is too harsh. William hasn’t proven he can even play PG get let alone start over Posh, McGriff, or even Dunn.
We wouldn’t be able to cover anyone with that lineup either.
Basketball isn’t hard. You build from the ground up. 1a and 1b are stopping the other team from scoring and dribbling and/or passing your way to good shots.
The winner of the Posh/McGriff battle will start at PG from day one and the other will be the backup unless something unforeseen and drastic happens.
Our offense was gross this past year. It is my hope that a lot of that was due to the fact that we didn’t have a true PG running the show. The fact that Anderson got two of them should tell us all we need to know.
You know, I seem to remember another poster championing Williams at the point. Can you guess who it was?
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You know, I seem to remember another poster championing Williams at the point. Can you guess who it was?
Did we have Posh and a healthy McGriff? Did I say be should start? Did Williams prove he couldn’t do it last year? Thanks for playing.
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Did we have Posh and a healthy McGriff? Did I say be should start? Did Williams prove he couldn’t do it last year? Thanks for playing.
He proved it to some before the games even started last year.
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He proved it to some before the games even started last year.
Who?
We didn’t have a Big East PG last year. Dunn is an undersized SF with a good handle. Rutherford was a MAAC level player with heart and only one hand. Williams is a shooting guard that might be able to play some point as an upperclassman.
McGriff is a born PG. Posh is a 4-star PG. There is no comparison.
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With two big questions still on Horizon the below is with:
1. LJ staying
2. Salnave Committing and McGriff transferring
First I don’t think who starts matters as it showed this year with Anderson but I’ll go with
PG - Posh
SG - Cole
SF - LJ
PF - Penny
C - Roberts
Our bench would be loaded with
Dunn, Williams , Salnave, Earlington, Toro, Caraher and Moore ....does Wusu maybe redshirt this year? Hope we can put it all together like we did at end of year and I think anywhere from 3-6 in the big east is where we can finish next year.
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I can't see Duke not starting considering how he finished the season.
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I can't see Duke not starting considering how he finished the season.
He looked like he could get to the basket at will, and he was knocking down threes. I’m hoping Marcellus builds on this, and becomes one of the top scorers in the BE.
It’s his defense that needs the most work, but towards the end I saw some improvement there, too.
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With two big questions still on Horizon the below is with:
1. LJ staying
2. Salnave Committing and McGriff transferring
First I don’t think who starts matters as it showed this year with Anderson but I’ll go with
PG - Posh
SG - Cole
SF - LJ
PF - Penny
C - Roberts
Our bench would be loaded with
Dunn, Williams , Salnave, Earlington, Toro, Caraher and Moore ....does Wusu maybe redshirt this year? Hope we can put it all together like we did at end of year and I think anywhere from 3-6 in the big east is where we can finish next year.
If Roberts is good enough to start over Toro, we will be a team that wins games in the tournament. I don’t think there is any chance that happens. Cole-Champagnie-Toro are locks to start with no LJ.
I see Earlington coming off the bench early with Dunn. Their presence changes the game instantly so those are bullets you don’t want to fire too early.
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He looked like he could get to the basket at will, and he was knocking down threes. I’m hoping Marcellus builds on this, and becomes one of the top scorers in the BE.
It’s his defense that needs the most work, but towards the end I saw some improvement there, too.
Big (and early) fan, but I wouldn't start him. He's a perfect sixth man, brings it on both ends, but foul prone.
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With two big questions still on Horizon the below is with:
1. LJ staying
2. Salnave Committing and McGriff transferring
First I don’t think who starts matters as it showed this year with Anderson but I’ll go with
PG - Posh
SG - Cole
SF - LJ
PF - Penny
C - Roberts
Our bench would be loaded with
Dunn, Williams , Salnave, Earlington, Toro, Caraher and Moore ....does Wusu maybe redshirt this year? Hope we can put it all together like we did at end of year and I think anywhere from 3-6 in the big east is where we can finish next year.
This best case scenario will have us top4 Big East without question. The depth would be legitimately 2 deep at every position w Dave/Dyl last to come off the bench. That's even questioning how everyone lines up. Who knows, Moore can be better than Roberts Day1, here's my very early reserved Starting 5:
PG-Greg (Very Early OOC)
SG- Vince
SF- LJF
PF-Julian (Cell/Toro ready to go)
C- Josh (if healthy, Moore a quick swap)
Bench:
PG: Posh (Quick sub)
SG: Dunn/Ray/Wusu (Depth is crazy)
SF: Dave (spot minutes)
PF: Cell/Toro (major competition)
C: Moore (Not a given in the least)
This lineup is deep, interchangeable and formidable. Any prediction outside of the Top5 is laughable IMO, this staff has done some job in a little over a year.
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This best case scenario will have us top4 Big East without question. The depth would be legitimately 2 deep at every position w Dave/Dyl last to come off the bench. That's even questioning how everyone lines up. Who knows, Moore can be better than Roberts Day1, here's my very early reserved Starting 5:
PG-Greg (Very Early OOC)
SG- Vince
SF- LJF
PF-Julian (Cell/Toro ready to go)
C- Josh (if healthy, Moore a quick swap)
Bench:
PG: Posh (Quick sub)
SG: Dunn/Ray/Wusu (Depth is crazy)
SF: Dave (spot minutes)
PF: Cell/Toro (major competition)
C: Moore (Not a given in the least)
This lineup is deep, interchangeable and formidable. Any prediction outside of the Top5 is laughable IMO, this staff has done some job in a little over a year.
November
PG -Dunn
SG -Williams
SF - LJ
PF - Julian
C - Toro
February
PG - Posh
SG - Vince
SF - LJ
PF - Julian
C - Toro