6th Man of St. John's Basketball
St. John's Red Storm => In The Jungle... => Topic started by: erickthered on December 30, 2007, 02:33:39 PM
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Let the names flow because this is the only thing interesting about this pathetic program right now. It's sad that half the names that we will bring up would not even bother coming here so lets go, throw some good coach out there and please no more asst. coaches only guy that have coached at schools better then Queens college. Lets face Roberts can't coach at this level the players have no clue, you can't tell me larry cant get a few looks off a couple screens, pound it down to justin its sad.
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I was really paying strict attention to Norm this game and he was pissed at Geno sometimes for not getting the ball down to the block to JB sometimes right away. I think he wants things to be done quicker but we're waiting for the zone to catch up to where the ball is. I think we unfairly assess some blame to Roberts when the players are just as much at fault. I'm not saying the coaching staff is under immunity for criticism however I think we do unfairly assess some blame because its the popular thing to on these boards.
There are a number of things I would do differently as coach but I'm also not here to undermine the coach. Undermining the coach accomplishes nothing and to say you think players should transfer at the seasons end is just stupid to say if you are a real st. john's fan. Why put the idea out there?
Now I've seen Norm in games and I see he gets upset and frustrated with many of the same things we do and that fails on player execution however I'm upset that why doesn't Norm try and deviate from plan to try and do something that works in game. We fail to see many adjustments. I've seen little adjustments like the zone press but we do it far to little and far too short in terms of time. If you adjust stick with it if it works until the other team adjusts and then you adjust again. Thats my chief complaint but we'll see if this improves or if players execution improves and if either does it should in turn lead to better results on the court. This team has talent even the players we harp on have some talent we just need to bring it out.
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JJ first off you do a great job,proud to see someone who stll cares about the program. I was at the game yesterday and it was a pathetic sight. First off we can't get a decent home court advantage at the garden, I don't want to hear how it's agreat recruiting tool these kids today have no memories of the garden in itsday, for petes sakes they see teams like pitt and duke playing there. Norm makes no adjustments it seems like they just throw the ball around for 25-30 seconds and see if someone can create. You have Mase, Burrell and Wright that should be enough of a foundation to create some plays for even with geno running the show. Time to start Booth and see if he is gonna be the guy to run the show in the future. I won't place all the blame on roberts but he should of had a more exper. asst coach by his side if you can name his asst other then fred Q who is a good recruiter what does he have, nobody he can turn too to draw up anything. Its time for a change 1 more yr will not make it any better.
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norm has GOT TO GO. rumors are swirling burrell and wright will transfer. and i'm not surprised at all. burrell is NOT as good as advertised and old red looks like a absolute fool saying he's as good as sealy..
wright looks like he's in norm's dog house. and he's also beeen very overrated. looked great first game, that's about it...
if those 2 guys transfer, and we have no good recruit coming in. norm has got to go period. team just looks like it's heading nowhere and i'm absolutely sick of it..
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I agree Erick and it was pathetic how we run the shot clock down however there are times where passes aren't made that should be made and Norm would be livid on the sidelines like what are you guys doing. My point is you have to assess the blame rightfully and both the coaches and the players are at fault its not simply just one or the other.
I don't think Boothe is the answer though so I'll disagree there. I'm seeing some things that were pointed out about Geno that I'll admit I wasn't seeing at first but I still think he is our best option.
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norm has GOT TO GO. rumors are swirling burrell and wright will transfer. and i'm not surprised at all. burrell is NOT as good as advertised and old red looks like a absolute fool saying he's as good as sealy..
wright looks like he's in norm's dog house. and he's also beeen very overrated. looked great first game, that's about it...
if those 2 guys transfer, and we have no good recruit coming in. norm has got to go period. team just looks like it's heading nowhere and i'm absolutely sick of it..
settle down young buck. Justin and Wright are two of our better players and I think the people swirling these rumors shouldn't be I think its just disrespectful on all fronts to discuss this from it being unfair to the other players on the team and the coaches who are trying to recruit right now. It's just bad for business. Larry has fallen into the path of Avery Patterson and has fell in love with the three ball and we rarely see Larry taking it to the hole hanging for two, Larry is also getting smoked defensively which is why I think he is in the dog house. Burrell is obviously a flare for the dramatics and I think everything will settle in eventually also a good amount of kids that play a sport or not think about transferring after their first semester because the grass is always greener on the other side but many eventually settle in and stick it out. Maybe Justin should give Ricky, Avery, and Q a call and see how life is for them.
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burrell can go to a better program than those guys. he can end up at a place like hofstra, or maybe even a smaller major school.
this is going to be a longggg season.
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I'm with you Erick. I've been with that thought process for awhile. Norm has some decent talent on this team...and it is not reaching its potential. Not by a longshot. He does not get the most out of his players. He does not make players better. His substitution patterns are awful and sometimes seem like they are done at random. His offensive scheme can barely even be defined with the word offensive.
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burrell can go to a better program than those guys. he can end up at a place like hofstra, or maybe even a smaller major school.
this is going to be a longggg season.
First off if we are fans and we start making suggestions where JB should transfer too....everyone is a lot more crazy than I originally thought.
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burrell can go to a better program than those guys. he can end up at a place like hofstra, or maybe even a smaller major school.
this is going to be a longggg season.
First off if we are fans and we start making suggestions where JB should transfer too....everyone is a lot more crazy than I originally thought.
not saying he should transfer. just saying if he would, he can end up at a better place.
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JJ, I think booth should play more to gain a little more exper. next year he is our only true pg so it will be put up or shutup with him. as far as guys leaving, don't forget they have to sit out a year, JB will be fine here for a few more years.
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Calm down boys ! When the end of the season comes then start your rumors about who should be the new coach. And dont even start with the transfer rumors cause that is flat out ridiculous. We arent even into the Big East schedule yet. I agree this team can fall flat on there face when we start to play good teams night in and night out, but we can just as easily put it all together and be a middle of the pack team. We finnally have the talent, lets see how this year plays out. If we have a terrible year i will be right there calling for Norms head.
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I just think a pure coach like mckillop from Davidson or someone like that would be a welcome change, how long has it been since we had a pure basketball coach at SJU. If we just want a guy to recruit athletes and throw the ball out there and hope they score we can find that with any big program asst coach, our program is at stake here we have sunk to a new low nobody cares and it's only a matter of time before we are an after thought around here in the hoops world. Sometimes change is needed just for change sakes.
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burrell can go to a better program than those guys. he can end up at a place like hofstra, or maybe even a smaller major school.
this is going to be a longggg season.
What would be the point of transferring to Hofstra? He would get less pub, they suck worse than us, and he won't get any more time cuz he gets plenty here.
Burrell is an idiot if he transfers so I don't think he will, he prob is just frustrated --- why sit out a year to either be a BACKUP at a top school or play for a worse school? He plays in NYC, at MSG, for a BE team, and gets 30+ mins a game. He'd be crazy to leave.
LW on the other hand, I feel for. The kid looks totally miserable because of Norm, and Norm uses him as a whipping boy. Larry may have fallen in love with the 3 because Norm has totally shattered his confidence so his game is not operating on all cylinders like it was. Norm is really dropping the ball with Larry for the 2nd straight year and that pisses me off. If Larry is kept as TENTH man on this team then Norm is a f'n nice person. He is our best shooter and since our team is so bad as is, might as well give him playing time and try to see if he can learn to be a good defender while giving him a longer leash so he isnt all messed up in the head on offensive in the little time he has.
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Calm down boys ! When the end of the season comes then start your rumors about who should be the new coach. And dont even start with the transfer rumors cause that is flat out ridiculous. We arent even into the Big East schedule yet. I agree this team can fall flat on there face when we start to play good teams night in and night out, but we can just as easily put it all together and be a middle of the pack team. We finnally have the talent, lets see how this year plays out. If we have a terrible year i will be right there calling for Norms head.
Why is it ridiculous? You act as if this team hasn't had a revolving door of players transferring in the past under Roberts. There has to be something to that.
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Calm down boys ! When the end of the season comes then start your rumors about who should be the new coach. And dont even start with the transfer rumors cause that is flat out ridiculous. We arent even into the Big East schedule yet. I agree this team can fall flat on there face when we start to play good teams night in and night out, but we can just as easily put it all together and be a middle of the pack team. We finnally have the talent, lets see how this year plays out. If we have a terrible year i will be right there calling for Norms head.
Why is it ridiculous? You act as if this team hasn't had a revolving door of players transferring in the past under Roberts. There has to be something to that.
Yea its called players were over-recruited which is a good thing !
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burrell can go to a better program than those guys. he can end up at a place like hofstra, or maybe even a smaller major school.
this is going to be a longggg season.
What would be the point of transferring to Hofstra? He would get less pub, they suck worse than us, and he won't get any more time cuz he gets plenty here.
Burrell is an idiot if he transfers so I don't think he will, he prob is just frustrated --- why sit out a year to either be a BACKUP at a top school or play for a worse school? He plays in NYC, at MSG, for a BE team, and gets 30+ mins a game. He'd be crazy to leave.
LW on the other hand, I feel for. The kid looks totally miserable because of Norm, and Norm uses him as a whipping boy. Larry may have fallen in love with the 3 because Norm has totally shattered his confidence so his game is not operating on all cylinders like it was. Norm is really dropping the ball with Larry for the 2nd straight year and that pisses me off. If Larry is kept as TENTH man on this team then Norm is a f'n nice person. He is our best shooter and since our team is so bad as is, might as well give him playing time and try to see if he can learn to be a good defender while giving him a longer leash so he isnt all messed up in the head on offensive in the little time he has.
i think that year of sitting out can really hurt him. i think he should stay and hope there's a change at the top.
i was just mentioning those schools because guys like torres, patterson, calhoun ended up NOWHERE. while i think burrell can atleast be at a school people has heard of...
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You guys can't tell me that if there was a good X'S AND O'S coach that they could'nt find a way to get quality looks from JB Larry Mase and DJ, the whole thing is a joke, as far as transfers the guys who left except Q could'nt play in the B.E.
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You guys can't tell me that if there was a good X'S AND O'S coach that they could'nt find a way to get quality looks from JB Larry Mase and DJ, the whole thing is a joke, as far as transfers the guys who left except Q could'nt play in the B.E.
exactly what im saying but we arent going to make a coaching change during the middle of the season so give Norm some respect and just support the team for the rest of the year.
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Calm down boys ! When the end of the season comes then start your rumors about who should be the new coach. And dont even start with the transfer rumors cause that is flat out ridiculous. We arent even into the Big East schedule yet. I agree this team can fall flat on there face when we start to play good teams night in and night out, but we can just as easily put it all together and be a middle of the pack team. We finnally have the talent, lets see how this year plays out. If we have a terrible year i will be right there calling for Norms head.
Why is it ridiculous? You act as if this team hasn't had a revolving door of players transferring in the past under Roberts. There has to be something to that.
Yea its called players were over-recruited which is a good thing !
Yeah it has sure panned out with our stellar results.
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norm has GOT TO GO. rumors are swirling burrell and wright will transfer. and i'm not surprised at all. burrell is NOT as good as advertised and old red looks like a absolute fool saying he's as good as sealy..
wright looks like he's in norm's dog house. and he's also beeen very overrated. looked great first game, that's about it...
if those 2 guys transfer, and we have no good recruit coming in. norm has got to go period. team just looks like it's heading nowhere and i'm absolutely sick of it..
is u stupid that kid is good as hell its noyt his fault hes not getting the ball in a good position. u want him to do it his self. he needs a guard dummy. DAMN PEOPLE DONT KNOW BALL. coaches are dying for him to leave. they want him in their program. if he wasnt as good as advertised why the hell is he getting double and triple teamed. i dont see tomas and dele or sean getting that much attention. there is a reason why.
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Calm down boys ! When the end of the season comes then start your rumors about who should be the new coach. And dont even start with the transfer rumors cause that is flat out ridiculous. We arent even into the Big East schedule yet. I agree this team can fall flat on there face when we start to play good teams night in and night out, but we can just as easily put it all together and be a middle of the pack team. We finnally have the talent, lets see how this year plays out. If we have a terrible year i will be right there calling for Norms head.
Why is it ridiculous? You act as if this team hasn't had a revolving door of players transferring in the past under Roberts. There has to be something to that.
Yea its called players were over-recruited which is a good thing !
Yeah it has sure panned out with our stellar results.
Yea so you think the team would be better with players like Torres, Calhoun, C-Jac and Dexter instead of Burrell, Kennedy, Boothe and Horne. Your insane if you think the guys that left would have made this team any better.
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listen. burrell's the best recruit norm's ever gotten. he has potential to make it to the NBA. but do you really think he's as good as old red said? he's a good freshman, and very solid player. but he's no star right now. norm and co. defintely aren't helping, but he's no savior for this program. guy really looks like a headcase at times.
i believe burrell can be a first round pick in the NBA (with proper coaching) when he's a junior/senior. but you can't tell me this guy is a savior for this program/comparable to mullin, sealy, etc.
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yo i agree with u i never said he was carmelo or lebron. i never said he was a program changer. but he is a very important piece. he needs better coaching. u cant tell me 1 game where he has backed down. he isnt having it. i can guarantee if the team tok some of his attitude they will win more games. but dont put that kinda pressure on a freshman playing his postion. greg oden didint do it his self, nor did derrick charrecter. any freshman who changed their program was either able to create their own shots or he had a guard and a system that played to his ability. obviously when we picked st. johns we was told that this system was going to be totally different. but i guess we was bamboozaled, hoodwinked.
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yo i agree with u i never said he was carmelo or lebron. i never said he was a program changer. but he is a very important piece. he needs better coaching. u cant tell me 1 game where he has backed down. he isnt having it. i can guarantee if the team tok some of his attitude they will win more games. but dont put that kinda pressure on a freshman playing his postion. greg oden didint do it his self, nor did derrick charrecter. any freshman who changed their program was either able to create their own shots or he had a guard and a system that played to his ability. obviously when we picked st. johns we was told that this system was going to be totally different. but i guess we was bamboozaled, hoodwinked.
yep yep. but the way old red was hyping this kid up. you'd expect 15 and 10 every night... to compare him to some of the STJ greats right now is a bit of a joke.
although leading us in points, attempts, 2nd in rebounding, blocks, and minutes as a freshman is very impressive. he's still nowhere near the level of some other freshman out there (bayless, beasley, rose, kofus, singler, etc). you can tell he's passionate and frustrated, but the thing is, although it's good at times you need ot learn how to control it. and encourage your teammates. burrell's past 5 games he hasn't had double digit rebounds, and even had 0 rebounds in one game.. he has also been taking less shots.
i think a guy like burrell can devolp into a very good player with another coach. not with norm... he needs to be involved early, to have a big impact on the game. the more FG attempts the more rebounds the guy gets (in around hte same minutes).
if JB transfers. norm has got to go..
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yo i agree with u i never said he was carmelo or lebron. i never said he was a program changer. but he is a very important piece. he needs better coaching. u cant tell me 1 game where he has backed down. he isnt having it. i can guarantee if the team tok some of his attitude they will win more games. but dont put that kinda pressure on a freshman playing his postion. greg oden didint do it his self, nor did derrick charrecter. any freshman who changed their program was either able to create their own shots or he had a guard and a system that played to his ability. obviously when we picked st. johns we was told that this system was going to be totally different. but i guess we was bamboozaled, hoodwinked.
yep yep. but the way old red was hyping this kid up. you'd expect 15 and 10 every night... to compare him to some of the STJ greats right now is a bit of a joke.
although leading us in points, attempts, 2nd in rebounding, blocks, and minutes as a freshman is very impressive. he's still nowhere near the level of some other freshman out there (bayless, beasley, rose, kofus, singler, etc). you can tell he's passionate and frustrated, but the thing is, although it's good at times you need ot learn how to control it. and encourage your teammates. burrell's past 5 games he hasn't had double digit rebounds, and even had 0 rebounds in one game.. he has also been taking less shots.
i think a guy like burrell can devolp into a very good player with another coach. not with norm... he needs to be involved early, to have a big impact on the game. the more FG attempts the more rebounds the guy gets (in around hte same minutes).
if JB transfers. norm has got to go..
See I disagree about one thing. I think the ONE good thing Norm has done withr espect to the basketball team is helping guys improve! Mason, Geno, and TJ are SO much better than they were as freshmen. Players improve considerably under Norm...he just cannot use them appropriately in games - they become better individual players, just not better collecitve team players (not saying the guys arent team players, just the improvement doesnt translate into a better stj team).
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oh i agree. i think norm has had guys improve. just not as much as possible. but do you really think norm can develop burrell into a NBA player?
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oh i agree. i think norm has had guys improve. just not as much as possible. but do you really think norm can develop burrell into a NBA player?
I'm not sure. I'm more confident in Norm developing Burrell into an NBA player than I am in Norm turning this team into an NCAA team. With the leaps and bounds TJ and Geno have taken, as well as steady consistent imporvement by Mase, I really do think Burrell would improve.
Burrell might hate losing, who doesn't, but I think his smartest play is to stay here, in all honesty. I think he will improve, Norm will make him a focal part of the offense, and work the offense around him and Mase. Don't see why Burrell would leave.
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if the whole team hates him and burrell hates the staff. i can see it happening. i do think the most wise move would be to stick around
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just is gonna do that with help from his family. hes gotten better every year. i dont need norm for that what i need from norm is to coach his ass off as their is no tomorrow. give us something please
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oh i agree. i think norm has had guys improve. just not as much as possible. but do you really think norm can develop burrell into a NBA player?
But he hasn't had players of high quality talent and has developed them along. Imagine players with high quality talent? We're not even into Big East play and we're discussing this its stupid and we all need to settle down.
In regards to Burrell....Norm was livid at Geno/DJ yesterday for not getting the ball into the post quicker there were times JB had position but it was lost because they were too slow to get the ball in. I think we've seen improvement in some aspects but we need to execute better and Justin must stay hungry. We need to see that double double man back. I want Justin to have the same hunger on the boards as Dejuan Blair. I also want to see more of that kiss off the glass Tim Duncan shot we've saw at the Holiday Festival.
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just is gonna do that with help from his family. hes gotten better every year. i dont need norm for that what i need from norm is to coach his ass off as their is no tomorrow. give us something please
There is a lot of "I" and "WE" in all of your posts how about just for "Justin"
I think this is problem when you have kids having other people whispering in their ears constantly on what to do. These kids are so young and have so many people trying to sway them in so many directions it just screws things up. Being at a Big East school where you can be the man for four years is something that will be big for Justin. We complain about St. John's media coverage but it is so much better than so many schools around the country. We hold our selves to a very high standard which sets us up for disappointment at times. He has so much exposure here and the future is bright.
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Norm has allowed Geno and Mase to grow and be in the spotlight of the BE. They are the guys mentioned every game by every announcer and every team knows them. They have improved under Norm and get noticed whether or not we are good.
If justin stays he will get the same kind of treatment. He will be a guy known by EVERYONE as St. John's best player, he will be playing big time teams all the time, playin at MSG, and on tv. If he transfers and sits out a year, he is just losing time he could be improving and getting himself closer to gettin PAID.
If Justin leaves it will be something he regrets.
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Norm has allowed Geno and Mase to grow and be in the spotlight of the BE. They are the guys mentioned every game by every announcer and every team knows them. They have improved under Norm and get noticed whether or not we are good.
If justin stays he will get the same kind of treatment. He will be a guy known by EVERYONE as St. John's best player, he will be playing big time teams all the time, playin at MSG, and on tv. If he transfers and sits out a year, he is just losing time he could be improving and getting himself closer to gettin PAID.
If Justin leaves it will be something he regrets.
Lamont and Mason are both NBA draft net draftees. If Lamont didn't go down with the injury chances are he was getting drafted by the Spurs with their 2nd round pick. If not the Spurs and Warriors was also very interested with him. Mason is also still projected to be 2nd round pick too and I think his stock could still rise.
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no one said he was leaving but dont get it twisted if he was in cuse or pitt he would be getting more coverage. but thats not the problem the problem is them losing games. no one is wispering in his ears becaus ei aint having it. coach needs to press more and have a more up tempo offense. im tired of dribbling the ball for 32 sec then firing a 3. hell no im tired. hes been here for years and i dont know what kinda offense he runs do any of yall?
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no one said he was leaving but dont get it twisted if he was in cuse or pitt he would be getting more coverage. but thats not the problem the problem is them losing games. no one is wispering in his ears becaus ei aint having it. coach needs to press more and have a more up tempo offense. im tired of dribbling the ball for 32 sec then firing a 3. hell no im tired. hes been here for years and i dont know what kinda offense he runs do any of yall?
perhaps you're right, but once the BE scene starts and we are playin top notch opponents, if Justin fills it up he will be heard nationally loud and clear - even if we're losing.
I agree with ya that Coach does need to press more and run the ball. We got a lot of talented athletes and that would be the best way to use them.
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but hw can any1 fill it up with only 6 shot attempts in bad position
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but hw can any1 fill it up with only 6 shot attempts in bad position
Like I said Norm was upset the ball wasn't getting into the post quicker we missed opportunities but he was looking for the team to get him the ball
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burrell's also gotta work on his rebounding though. last 5 games he hasn't been in double digits.
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but hw can any1 fill it up with only 6 shot attempts in bad position
Coach was hollerin' on the sidelines for people to get Justin the ball. It's obvious he wants Justin to be the focal part of this team, which he should be as our most talented baller. We def need to run more, but I think the problem is twofold:
1) Frosh growing pains. Justin will have his but so will DJ, Paris, Malik etc. They may be wanting and trying to get Justin the ball, but right now it's not workin'. THese kids are talented and it WILL work.
2) Geno dribbles forever. Coach needs to put a leash on Geno ASAP. I think he will, he finally has a viable backup PG. First 3 years Geno couldnt be pulled. Now he can.
I think as Justin imporves his post game, and the guys improve playin better TOGETHER - lets remember they have only played about 10 games together as a team and only 3 of these guys had played together previously on st johns (and paris and JB together obviously). THey will get better and as they get better guys like JB and DJ are gonna start to shine.
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lets not forget we've only played 4 games with Mason back too.
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Please no more excuses it's getting pitiful, we are getting out coached and out played in almost every game, we barely win games we are supposed to win and almost never win or in games we are NOT supposed to win except that little stretch last year. As a diehard SJU hoop fan i'm getting sick of this, wait all off season with the hope this is the year and flop, don't give me the fact that Mase was out we have enough talent to beat Ohio, Tulane and Niagra and pummell marist instead we lose and barely squeek one out.
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look fellas i dont know about all that but i truly belive half of yall wouldnt be as upset if the team was a little more up and down on the court. if they put more points on the board
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Well we've fouled less and have looked quicker defensively however not as quick as I want to be. I want more pressing. I think we can settle into a rotation and shouldn't be subbing in fear of foul trouble as much(exception tomas/dele platoon).
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Kob24, who cares if we run and press and still lose games we should win, i'll take a slow tempo and wins any day.
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nah im not saying that. but u would rather lose watchng a boring game or lose watching a exciting game
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with this STJ team. i wanna see wins and that's it. it's not fun watching a close game with niagara...
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mypoint exactly random
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oh ok i was just thinking if the game was more exciting u guys wouldnt be as mad
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oh ok i was just thinking if the game was more exciting u guys wouldnt be as mad
in years 1,2, and a lil bit in 3 i wouldn't be. but it's been too long to give norm a pass saying "atleast we were close."
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im not trying to give him a pass. i just cant stand looking at ugly basketball
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kob24, you know what your talking about when it comes to hoops, but give me wins. I'm getting tired of the same ole line loss after loss. How many times over the last 100 or so games have we put together a solid all around effort against a good team. Our offense is so bad nothing gets better, no adjustments. anyway atleast some people care or i would'nt be on all day calling for a change, lets all get invoved and try to bring this program back.
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im with u i sent my player here
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kob24, who or what type of coach would you bring in and think would be respected by the nyc hoops scene. Just interested in your thoughts, I know i have mine. Would you go witha m. jax or t. pecora who would bring respectability back and basketball that we can enjoy back to SJU.
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to be truly honest im not sure mark jackson has ever coached anything . he has the name but i think thats a little dangerous having no coaching experience. mr. pecora im not sure if he can get recruits either. ny is a funny city. norm should 1st get some one on his staff who has contact with the kids of ny. look at the guys from indiana and pitt or any other college. u need that guy 1st and foremost. im not sure f there is any coach who isnt coachng right now who can come and change this program. and all the ones who could really get it up again is probaly gonna want a huge check which i dont think the administration is gonna want to give
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I don't think Mark Jackson will be a college coach ever...Pecora isn't succeeding at Hofstra and we want him at St. John's? Calipari ain't coming...never was...never will...are there any real viable candidates?
As for this year...Roberts needs to let these kids play...the fact we struggle on offense isn't helped by the fact that we only give ourselves 8-10 seconds to work for a shot after Geno is dribbling around for 20-25 seconds.
Did anyone else think we looked better with Boothe in the game the last 2 times out?
And if Roberts wants the ball in JB's hands you tell your players noone shoots until JB touches it!!!
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JB and Wright aint goin' nowhere. They both made commitments to a struggling program and they knew this comming in.
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JB and Wright aint goin' nowhere. They both made commitments to a struggling program and they knew this comming in.
exactly u are very very smart for making that assesment
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to be truly honest im not sure mark jackson has ever coached anything . he has the name but i think thats a little dangerous having no coaching experience. mr. pecora im not sure if he can get recruits either. ny is a funny city. norm should 1st get some one on his staff who has contact with the kids of ny. look at the guys from indiana and pitt or any other college. u need that guy 1st and foremost. im not sure f there is any coach who isnt coachng right now who can come and change this program. and all the ones who could really get it up again is probaly gonna want a huge check which i dont think the administration is gonna want to give
Norn has had PLENTY of opportunity to add a local assistant with REAL ties to the high school and AAU community... and has refused.. he probably could have gottne Book this summer but he stayed loyal to "his guys". . that is certainly his right but its ultimately going to have a very negative impact on his St. John's resume and might end up costing him his job...
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u 1000% percent right pmg. the only difference is i dont think norm will get fired. i just dont see it he would have gotten fired already. i think admnistration really likes him.
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u 1000% percent right pmg. the only difference is i dont think norm will get fired. i just dont see it he would have gotten fired already. i think admnistration really likes him.
The adminstration likes the way he runs the program and he has been doing exactly what he has been told to do by the adminstration...
While I think he deserves, VERY MUCH, to be let go at the end of the year.. I agree with you that I think he will be the coach next year... the man is in ovber his head as a Division I Head Coach...
As a former St. John's player said to me once about Norm... "some guys are meant to be assistants.."
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the only optimistic observation i see is that if this class stays together another 2 years, we will finish in the middle of the be pact. the question is, can redmen nation wait that long.
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The reason Norm will be back next year (Hate to say it) is that he is a SAFE CHOICE!! You'll never have a recruiting scandal with him, payoffs, sleazy agents hanging around, etc. That's the way the administration likes it! Do you really think Fr. Harrington will go out on a limb like he did with Jarvis and get burned again!? NO CHANCE. This team will STINK for a long time under Norm's on-the-job training, but it will be clean. And that's all the admin cares about. Get used to Norm in Flushing for many more years... :'(
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It's weird that losing is a safe choice; the program needs a change, and any decent offensive-minded coach would bring this team a few more wins-- this year or next year. The guys are already dedicated to defense, they need someone with a better plan than "take your man off the dribble and someone else jump in for the rebound."
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the only optimistic observation i see is that if this class stays together another 2 years, we will finish in the middle of the be pact. the question is, can redmen nation wait that long.
makes no sense. what's the point of waiting to be a borderline NCAA team? espically in year 6...
and we have NO recruits on the horizon...
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the only optimistic observation i see is that if this class stays together another 2 years, we will finish in the middle of the be pact. the question is, can redmen nation wait that long.
makes no sense. what's the point of waiting to be a borderline NCAA team? espically in year 6...
and we have NO recruits on the horizon...
listen JUNIOR why don't you crawl back into the cave you came from you CLOSET SYRACUSE FAN. its become QUITE clear that the reason you post here so often is that you HAVE IT OUT for this program and you must be BUTT BUDDIES with that bald-&^%$ MIKE JARVIS ;) ;D ::) ::) :-\ :-\ :o >:( :( ;) :) ;D ::) :-X :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( ??? 8) :( :-X
i know that i said that we would land a top flight recruit SEVERAL months ago and that hasn't happened, but i STILL have faith in this staff to land a top area player, even if there are NO top area players left in this 2008 class. i do hear that this kid DICK MCGLICK out of bumble#$%^ hs in kalamazoo, michigan is averaging 17 ppg in the michigan class J public school league.
stop drinking that.....
HATERADE
please let the players play and our glorious coach BRING US BACK TO THE TOP of the big east. dont worry fellow WHITE AND RED fans, just because this team cant beat teams with maybe one or two high-major quality players (niagara, ohio, tulane, almost marist) doesnt mean we cant beat a team with about 7 high-major quality players.
Let that FOOL Calipari have his undefeated season and number 2 ranking, at least we know that he wasnt the man for the job because of all the baggage he comes with.
Don't bring you WEAK STUFF in here JUNIOR, because youll just get KNOCKED back down to earth.
PEACE 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)
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hahahahha. that was flawless!
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u 1000% percent right pmg. the only difference is i dont think norm will get fired. i just dont see it he would have gotten fired already. i think admnistration really likes him.
The adminstration likes the way he runs the program and he has been doing exactly what he has been told to do by the adminstration...
While I think he deserves, VERY MUCH, to be let go at the end of the year.. I agree with you that I think he will be the coach next year... the man is in ovber his head as a Division I Head Coach...
As a former St. John's player said to me once about Norm... "some guys are meant to be assistants.."
u know whats funny thats like the 6 time ive heard that.
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The reason Norm will be back next year (Hate to say it) is that he is a SAFE CHOICE!! You'll never have a recruiting scandal with him, payoffs, sleazy agents hanging around, etc. That's the way the administration likes it! Do you really think Fr. Harrington will go out on a limb like he did with Jarvis and get burned again!? NO CHANCE. This team will STINK for a long time under Norm's on-the-job training, but it will be clean. And that's all the admin cares about. Get used to Norm in Flushing for many more years... :'(
When Jarvis was hired he was an excellent choice.... and no where near a risk... Fr. Harrington didn't go "out on a limb" to hire him... what would make you think he was a risk when he was hired...
Norm Roberts was a risk.. . and unproven Div I assistant with a losing record when he was a head coach in Div II. In terms of the basketball team it was a risk that has exploded in the face of the University.
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I agree with you. Norm WAS a risk in terms of basketball, but not a risk in terms of doing anything stupid and tarnishing the name of the university. I liked the Jarvis hiring when it was announced, but boy, we know how that turned out! If it was up to me, I would part ways with Norm at the end of the season, and heavily recruit a legit D-1 coach. A winning program will pay for itself in no time!
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I agree with you. Norm WAS a risk in terms of basketball, but not a risk in terms of doing anything stupid and tarnishing the name of the university. I liked the Jarvis hiring when it was announced, but boy, we know how that turned out! If it was up to me, I would part ways with Norm at the end of the season, and heavily recruit a legit D-1 coach. A winning program will pay for itself in no time!
You wrote this in an earlier post..
"Do you really think Fr. Harrington will go out on a limb like he did with Jarvis "
and I replied and asked what would make you think that..
can you answer the question... what makes you think Fr. Harrington went "out on a limb" to hire Jarvis..?
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Why do I think Jarvis was a risk? Well, since I wasn't in the room when the decision was made, i'll go on what we know. The guy was a putz, plain and simple! Starting with the nepotism, the big money he got, (That's a risk isn't it? Paying a LOT of money to anyone for a job? They may not work out, they may make things worse etc) These are all risks! Second, I'm SURE, SJU did their homework on Jarvis and knew the good, bad and the ugly. The guy gutted the program plain and simple, and SJU HAD to know of at least a few skeletons in Jarvis' closet, but they took a chance and hired him. THAT'S the risk you take when hiring someone from the outside! And finally SJU paid Jarvis BIG bucks after they let him go. But, I guess that wasn't "going out on a limb" right?
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Why do I think Jarvis was a risk? Well, since I wasn't in the room when the decision was made, i'll go on what we know. The guy was a putz, plain and simple! Starting with the nepotism, the big money he got, (That's a risk isn't it? Paying a LOT of money to anyone for a job? They may not work out, they may make things worse etc) These are all risks! Second, I'm SURE, SJU did their homework on Jarvis and knew the good, bad and the ugly. The guy gutted the program plain and simple, and SJU HAD to know of at least a few skeletons in Jarvis' closet, but they took a chance and hired him. THAT'S the risk you take when hiring someone from the outside! And finally SJU paid Jarvis BIG bucks after they let him go. But, I guess that wasn't "going out on a limb" right?
You have absolutely no facts in that response besides Jarvis getting paid after he was gone...
Skelteons in his closet..? the good, the bad & the ugly.. what are you talking about.. elaborate please... or better yet. . stop talking about something you obviously know nothing about...
The guy was highly successful coach @ George Washington and had taken his team to multiple NCAA Tournaments.. unlike Norm Roberts.. Mike Jarvis was qualified for the job when he got hired...
What he did after his arrival is a completely different story but when hired he was an excellent choice for St. John's...
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the only optimistic observation i see is that if this class stays together another 2 years, we will finish in the middle of the be pact. the question is, can redmen nation wait that long.
makes no sense. what's the point of waiting to be a borderline NCAA team? espically in year 6...
and we have NO recruits on the horizon...
listen JUNIOR why don't you crawl back into the cave you came from you CLOSET SYRACUSE FAN. its become QUITE clear that the reason you post here so often is that you HAVE IT OUT for this program and you must be BUTT BUDDIES with that bald-&^%$ MIKE JARVIS ;) ;D ::) ::) :-\ :-\ :o >:( :( ;) :) ;D ::) :-X :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( ??? 8) :( :-X
i know that i said that we would land a top flight recruit SEVERAL months ago and that hasn't happened, but i STILL have faith in this staff to land a top area player, even if there are NO top area players left in this 2008 class. i do hear that this kid DICK MCGLICK out of bumble#$%^ hs in kalamazoo, michigan is averaging 17 ppg in the michigan class J public school league.
stop drinking that.....
HATERADE
please let the players play and our glorious coach BRING US BACK TO THE TOP of the big east. dont worry fellow WHITE AND RED fans, just because this team cant beat teams with maybe one or two high-major quality players (niagara, ohio, tulane, almost marist) doesnt mean we cant beat a team with about 7 high-major quality players.
Let that FOOL christopher walken have his undefeated season and number 2 ranking, at least we know that he wasnt the man for the job because of all the baggage he comes with.
Don't bring you WEAK STUFF in here JUNIOR, because youll just get KNOCKED back down to earth.
PEACE 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)
Oh no old red stole your computer.
But you forgot this:
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Why do I think Jarvis was a risk? Well, since I wasn't in the room when the decision was made, i'll go on what we know. The guy was a putz, plain and simple! Starting with the nepotism, the big money he got, (That's a risk isn't it? Paying a LOT of money to anyone for a job? They may not work out, they may make things worse etc) These are all risks! Second, I'm SURE, SJU did their homework on Jarvis and knew the good, bad and the ugly. The guy gutted the program plain and simple, and SJU HAD to know of at least a few skeletons in Jarvis' closet, but they took a chance and hired him. THAT'S the risk you take when hiring someone from the outside! And finally SJU paid Jarvis BIG bucks after they let him go. But, I guess that wasn't "going out on a limb" right?
You have absolutely no facts in that response besides Jarvis getting paid after he was gone...
Skelteons in his closet..? the good, the bad & the ugly.. what are you talking about.. elaborate please... or better yet. . stop talking about something you obviously know nothing about...
The guy was highly successful coach @ George Washington and had taken his team to multiple NCAA Tournaments.. unlike Norm Roberts.. Mike Jarvis was qualified for the job when he got hired...
What he did after his arrival is a completely different story but when hired he was an excellent choice for St. John's...
Jarvis was not a risk - but in retrospect perhaps we should have been more wary about hiring someone with so little ties to the NYC bball community. THat said, he added Dermon Player to the staff and signed Omar Cook - even if he alienated much of the rest of NYC ties in his time here.
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HELLO!!! QUOTE-"I liked the Jarvis hiring when it was announced" did you not read the post? Why don't you stop being so upset with my OPINION! Relax, I'm not saying i was there, and that i know the facts of the situation, so lay off, and respect other people's opinions, even if they don't agree with your own!
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HELLO!!! QUOTE-"I liked the Jarvis hiring when it was announced" did you not read the post? Why don't you stop being so upset with my OPINION! Relax, I'm not saying i was there, and that i know the facts of the situation, so lay off, and respect other people's opinions, even if they don't agree with your own!
HELLO. . I am still waiting for you to explain how hiring Jarvis was.. "going out on a limb.."
You are ceratinly entitled to your opinion.. and if you think that hiring Jarvis was "going out on a limb" or "a risk".. good for you.. just asking you to explain that opinion...
Can you..?
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HELLO!!! QUOTE-"I liked the Jarvis hiring when it was announced" did you not read the post? Why don't you stop being so upset with my OPINION! Relax, I'm not saying i was there, and that i know the facts of the situation, so lay off, and respect other people's opinions, even if they don't agree with your own!
HELLO. . I am still waiting for you to explain how hiring Jarvis was.. "going out on a limb.."
You are ceratinly entitled to your opinion.. and if you think that hiring Jarvis was "going out on a limb" or "a risk".. good for you.. just asking you to explain that opinion...
Can you..?
I thought Jarvis was a good hire at the time...man was I wrong. But the one risk that was brought up when he was hired was that he was a Boston guy and wouldn't be able to handle recruiting NYC...understatement of the millennium....
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Jumpinjohnny took the words out of my mouth. Does that mean that every coach from NYC will automatically be better? Obviously not, but it is something to consider, seeing as the AAU relationships Jarvis blew off are a HUGE recruiting tool.
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the only optimistic observation i see is that if this class stays together another 2 years, we will finish in the middle of the be pact. the question is, can redmen nation wait that long.
makes no sense. what's the point of waiting to be a borderline NCAA team? espically in year 6...
and we have NO recruits on the horizon...
what im saying is that the optimistic view i proposed is WEAK.......i agree with you there is NO optimism here!