6th Man of St. John's Basketball
St. John's Red Storm => Recruiting Archives => Recruiting => 2009 Class => Topic started by: KAHNIGHT on April 15, 2009, 02:47:18 AM
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http://rivalshoops.rivals.com/barrier_noentry.asp?ReturnTo=&sid=&script=content.asp&cid=935571&fid=&tid=&mid=&rid= (http://rivalshoops.rivals.com/barrier_noentry.asp?ReturnTo=&sid=&script=content.asp&cid=935571&fid=&tid=&mid=&rid=)
According to Tom Kakert of the HawkeyeReport.com 6-0 Alabama guard has apparently cancelled his original plans this weekend and will instead take an official visit to St. John's.
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I believe he has 3 years of eligibility if he comes next year.
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He played for a top ranked JC:
PPG 6.8 (52% from 3 41-79)..Hopefully he's a floor general
APG 4.9
RPG 3.0
SPG 1.9
TO 1.4
http://www.njcaa.org/colleges_college_stats.cfm?category=stats&sid=4&divid=1&slid=2&collegeId=1356&seasonselect=426 (http://www.njcaa.org/colleges_college_stats.cfm?category=stats&sid=4&divid=1&slid=2&collegeId=1356&seasonselect=426)
Some old articles...
http://www.i95ballerz.com/story%20-%20malcolm%20armstead%20visiting%20minny.html (http://www.i95ballerz.com/story%20-%20malcolm%20armstead%20visiting%20minny.html)
"The 6-foot scoring point is dropping an eye opening 31 points 11 assists per game, while leading CPC to an undefeated 17-0 season so far. High major schools are well aware of Armstead’s ability to both score and dish the rock.
“I like Minnesota, Villanova, Tennessee, Michigan and Wake Forest right now,†says the Florence, Alabama native, who moved to the Birmingham area two seasons ago.
The Golden Gophers will get Armstead’s initial visit on January 22. No other school visits have been set up at this point.
Armstead has nice handle and is quicker than he looks, consistently getting by his man off the dribble and finishes in the paint. If you sleep on his jumper he’ll pull up in your face and drill a jumper.
Many have compared Malcolm’s game to current Golden State Warrior point guard Baron Davis; citing Armstead’s lefty handle, stocky build, deceptive quickness and of course his ability to light up the scoreboard, all as reasons for the association. "
http://www.i95ballerz.com/story%20-%20malcolm%20armstead%20-%20summer%2006.htm (http://www.i95ballerz.com/story%20-%20malcolm%20armstead%20-%20summer%2006.htm)
I recently caught up with Malcolm Armstead, one of the fastest rising guards in the class of 2008 and a member of the Alabama Challenge AAU squad.
Armstead’s performance at the recently completed Nike Peach Jam in Augusta, GA, turned the heads of many coaches, while making believers out of non-believers in his skill set. Brandishing a lethal lefty crossover, Malcolm repeatedly got to the rim versus some of the more highly ranked guards in the nation.
“I still have a lot to work on, but I feel I’m playing well right nowâ€, said the 6’0, 170-lb. point guard.
Work will also need to be applied to his right hand as well. During one stretch against Boo Williams guard Chris Wright (Top 25, 2007), Armstead used his slick lefty handle to get by on three consecutive possessions and either got to the cup or shot the mid-range jumper.
Unfortunately for Malcolm, Wright made the necessary adjustments on defense and forced him to right, which Armstead wasn’t as adept at doing as well, and contained the ultra quick dynamo for the rest of the contest. A contest Boo Williams won easily, but not due to a lack of effort on Malcolm’s part.
Despite the Challenge’s struggles in the event, they finished with a 1-4 record; Armstead shined through and led the camp in steals, just ahead of Wright.
Despite his minor shortcomings, Malcolm averaged 18 points and five assists per game as a shooting guard for Florence High. Malcolm boasts a 3.5 grade point average as well.
“My shot selection was poor, but I’ll get better and that will in turn improve my jump shot as wellâ€, stated Armstead, who will change schools attend Central Park Christian in Birmingham next season.
The move certainly will present new challenges for the youngster, but it’s clear the decision was made by his entire family so as to better himself both athletically and academically.
“That’s why I decided to make the move. I wanted more of a challenge on the court and in the classroomâ€, exclaimed Armstead briefly before his AAU team left for the Super Showcase in Orlando. Malcolm will switch to point guard at Central Park Christian, taking advantage of his quick first step and superior on the ball skills.
South Carolina, Tennessee, Ole Miss, Kentucky, Mississippi State, Michigan State and Michigan and UAB fills Malcolm’s laundry list of schools. He hasn’t made a decision yet, but stated he may make one soon after returning from Disney or right before the school year begins.
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If Lance comes and the offer is still on the table for this kid, another player would have to leave the program, correct?
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Some source told NBE basketball's Pat Stevens that another player was likely to leave the program: http://johnnyjungle.com/forum/index.php?topic=778.msg30870#msg30870 (http://johnnyjungle.com/forum/index.php?topic=778.msg30870#msg30870)
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Some source told NBE basketball's Pat Stevens that another player was likely to leave the program: http://johnnyjungle.com/forum/index.php?topic=778.msg30870#msg30870 (http://johnnyjungle.com/forum/index.php?topic=778.msg30870#msg30870)
I'm not sure when that was written or told though. That player might have been Ty
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Per his scout.com page, we've been involved for at least a month.
http://scouthoops.scout.com/a.z?s=75&p=8&c=1&nid=4193403 (http://scouthoops.scout.com/a.z?s=75&p=8&c=1&nid=4193403)
If he's at a JC doesnt he have to graduate ?
If he's a very good student & graduates in 1 or 1.5 years,
maybe thats how he gets 3 years eligibility ?
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losing ty and gaining a legit jc pg or stith, would be a nice trade...we need another pg bad...malik has some skill, but i dont think hes a starter...he cant score and he makes bad decisions...let him come off the bench for 10-15 a game...hopefully we get stith or this kid
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Video link/ highlights
http://www.chipolamenshoops.com/videos/2008-2009%20Highlight%20pages/2009%20Individual%20highlights/Malcolm%20Armstead.html (http://www.chipolamenshoops.com/videos/2008-2009%20Highlight%20pages/2009%20Individual%20highlights/Malcolm%20Armstead.html)
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I have a soft spot for lefty PG's. He looks like he has a pretty quick release but shoots pretty low and I'm not sure that translates in the Big East. IDK its interesting. We'll see what happens.
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The kid averaged six points a game in a JC. That is horrendous. Why are we even looking at this kid? It's not like he was an assist machine either. Chipola as put out some decent guards with scoring averages WAY higher than his.
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The kid averaged six points a game in a JC. That is horrendous. Why are we even looking at this kid? It's not like he was an assist machine either. Chipola as put out some decent guards with scoring averages WAY higher than his.
I was thinking the same thing, Marillac. No wonder, we can't get out of the doldrums. We've too long "settled" on guppies when we can't get the piranha.
I'd rather have Stith than Armstead. I've never seen neither one play, but just my opinion via JUCO stats versus high school stats. Not to mention, Stith will be a four-year player. It's not like we're getting a JUCO Thornton or Hatten.
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The kid averaged six points a game in a JC. That is horrendous. Why are we even looking at this kid? It's not like he was an assist machine either. Chipola as put out some decent guards with scoring averages WAY higher than his.
Interesting, if you look at the quote part of the post, it says he's averaging 31 ppg and 11 apg.
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Mparty - that was in high school.
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Also, no info on how many minutes per game he played. So I won't crap on his stats without a sense of context.
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FWIW Chipola was the #1 team in the nation most of the year but only 1 player on the team averaged in double figures, that was Casey Mitchell who is going to WVU. Armstead had the second most 3's made on the team for the year. Not a lot of stats out there to be found.
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well, at the very least, another short pg, mediocre at passing and horrid at scoring would keep boothe company
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well, at the very least, another short pg, mediocre at passing and horrid at scoring would keep boothe company
but probably only for a year. lol
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well, at the very least, another short pg, mediocre at passing and horrid at scoring would keep boothe company
but probably only for a year. lol
bc hes a one and done to the nba, right? ;)
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Also, no info on how many minutes per game he played. So I won't crap on his stats without a sense of context.
Sorry can't agree. If he was averaging 15 or so a game then we can look at the context. He is averaging SIX. That is two treys and done for the game. It's not like he's pouring in double-digit assists either.
If he can't score at the JC level, why would he score at the Big East D-1 level?
Find me one good JC transfer that did not average double-digit points. They may be a good team, but they play against some real crap here and there.
Hatten played in the same conference and put up ridiculous numbers. They had a PG two years ago, Stefhon Hannah maybe, that put up some good numbers as well and went on to be a good D-1 player.
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Also, no info on how many minutes per game he played. So I won't crap on his stats without a sense of context.
Sorry can't agree. If he was averaging 15 or so a game then we can look at the context. He is averaging SIX. That is two treys and done for the game. It's not like he's pouring in double-digit assists either.
If he can't score at the JC level, why would he score at the Big East D-1 level?
Find me one good JC transfer that did not average double-digit points. They may be a good team, but they play against some real crap here and there.
Hatten played in the same conference and put up ridiculous numbers. They had a PG two years ago, Stefhon Hannah maybe, that put up some good numbers as well and went on to be a good D-1 player.
I'd have to disagree here. I think minutes do matter to an extent when analyzing stats. If you want to then turn around and say if he's so good why didn't he play more minutes then thats fair to call into question.
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Also, no info on how many minutes per game he played. So I won't crap on his stats without a sense of context.
Sorry can't agree. If he was averaging 15 or so a game then we can look at the context. He is averaging SIX. That is two treys and done for the game. It's not like he's pouring in double-digit assists either.
If he can't score at the JC level, why would he score at the Big East D-1 level?
Find me one good JC transfer that did not average double-digit points. They may be a good team, but they play against some real crap here and there.
Hatten played in the same conference and put up ridiculous numbers. They had a PG two years ago, Stefhon Hannah maybe, that put up some good numbers as well and went on to be a good D-1 player.
I'd have to disagree here. I think minutes do matter to an extent when analyzing stats. If you want to then turn around and say if he's so good why didn't he play more minutes then thats fair to call into question.
Dude, six points? C'mon. Find me one good JUCO that averaged less than double-digits. It's ridiculous.
The guys that really go on to enjoy success at the next level have eye-popping stats most of the time.
If he averaged twice that, I'd still wonder and then things like minutes and margin of victory would come in to play. Also, never trust JUCO FG% stats. They are always beneficial to the player.
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You can't evaluate stats without context, pure and simple. And you can't cherry pick which stats you will and will not look at (disregarding fg%) - all of these numbers come without context. And as far as counting numbers go, 5 assist per game actually is pretty solid, esp if he's playing with guys who like to score off the dribble. The "can he run a team" question" is answered by more than the number of assists (see: Omar Cook's great assist numbers but so-so leadership/ pace setting skills).
I'd like to see some eye popping numbers, but what was it he averaged in high school in an earlier link? 31 points and 11 assists? I have no idea what either of those sets of numbers mean. I have more context for city HS ball, for example - Malik averaged something like 6 points per game his senior year at CTK, and that was a warning sign, since we knew he got a lot of time.
I don't know if Armstead's team gave more time to a sophomore scoring point. If it were me doing the evaluating, I would have to watch a few of his games and see how he gets into the flow. And if so many teams seemed to like him coming out of HS, why didn't he sign then?
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You can't evaluate stats without context, pure and simple. And you can't cherry pick which stats you will and will not look at (disregarding fg%) - all of these numbers come without context. And as far as counting numbers go, 5 assist per game actually is pretty solid, esp if he's playing with guys who like to score off the dribble. The "can he run a team" question" is answered by more than the number of assists (see: Omar Cook's great assist numbers but so-so leadership/ pace setting skills).
I'd like to see some eye popping numbers, but what was it he averaged in high school in an earlier link? 31 points and 11 assists? I have no idea what either of those sets of numbers mean. I have more context for city HS ball, for example - Malik averaged something like 6 points per game his senior year at CTK, and that was a warning sign, since we knew he got a lot of time.
I don't know if Armstead's team gave more time to a sophomore scoring point. If it were me doing the evaluating, I would have to watch a few of his games and see how he gets into the flow. And if so many teams seemed to like him coming out of HS, why didn't he sign then?
I'm from the school of thought that you need to be electric at the JUCO level to even be considered for high major recruitment. And I was a coach at a very good JUCO team.
Obviously stats alone don't tell the whole story, but when a kid is only averaging those small numbers against so-so at best (relative) competition, you have to pass.
I don't need the story behind why a kid on North Dakota State is averaging 1.3 pts and 1.8 rebounds per game. His stats tell me enough that I don't want the rest.
Kids that really make it from that level are the kids like Hatten and Bootsie. Kids that every coach and player in the region knows for sure that the kid is the man and he competes WITH NOBODY on his on squad and teams center their plan around stopping him. This is clearly not that type of talent. Pass.
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Armstead is competing for attention with a bunch of other D-1 prospects. I do think that it's interesting that quite a few other schools were on this kid... that said, I much rather would have 4-year players and a point who can, at the very least, not MISS THE BASKET when taking shots like our dearly departed backup point.
It's not like Malik Stith is going to turn the Big East on its head either, and someone's got to give Malik Boothe a break.
In terms of point guard talent... this is kind of a sad conversation. I hope someone takes the reins and makes this freestyle, screen and dribble offense look capable.
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Yea Marillac I'm not trying to defend Armstead's numbers and call them good or spectacular but I'd think they were better over 20-25 mpg than I would if they were over 30-35 mpg. This is my only point.
Personally I don't think Stith or Armstead is the answer nor do I think they are even the short term answer. This again is us trying to make something out of nothing. I hope I'm wrong and they are better than what we think but I don't think so.
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i just find it hard to be easy on boothe when eugene lawrence was better...he had a bad senior year, but his junior year he was pretty decent...point guards...we dont ask for much...hit open jumpers and free throws, pass without turning the ball over, and handle the ball through pressure...i hope boothe is working hard this offseason
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Some nice Armstead highlights.... Not to mention, I like southpaws who seem to be able to shoot. ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AiStKqiLD2w# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AiStKqiLD2w#)
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WOW that was a pretty impressive video. Looks like the kid can shoot the ball.
I would love to see us land Lance and this young man.
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Lets remember this is a highlight video and fails to show the lowlights. Also take into consideration the level of competition etc.
Not to diminish Armstead but lets not get too excited either.
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Lets remember this is a highlight video and fails to show the lowlights. Also take into consideration the level of competition etc.
Not to diminish Armstead but lets not get too excited either.
I'm in agreement with you, Dave. But, you can see that he still has a fairly, quick release and able to hit the deep ball. That is more than we can say for Boothe.
Not to mention, he does seem to have quick hands to garner steals. Albeit, the competition isn't what he's gonna see night-in and night-out in the Big East.... Quick hands is quick hands!
I'll also like to add that he isn't being added to be a savior. That is Stephenson's job. LOL Just kiddin'!
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Lets remember this is a highlight video and fails to show the lowlights. Also take into consideration the level of competition etc.
Not to diminish Armstead but lets not get too excited either.
I'm in agreement with you, Dave. But, you can see that he still has a fairly, quick release and able to hit the deep ball. That is more than we can say for Boothe.
Not to mention, he does seem to have quick hands to garner steals. Albeit, the competition isn't what he's gonna see night-in and night-out in the Big East.... Quick hands is quick hands!
I'll also like to add that he isn't being added to be a savior. That is Stephenson's job. LOL Just kiddin'!
Look at what I said earlier in this thread...
I have a soft spot for lefty PG's. He looks like he has a pretty quick release but shoots pretty low and I'm not sure that translates in the Big East. IDK its interesting. We'll see what happens.
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Visiting Oregon this weekend.
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Oregon has a million PG can we get one, that highlight video was impressive. Not sure a Boothe highlight tape can ever look like that good no matter the level.
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WOW that was a pretty impressive video. Looks like the kid can shoot the ball.
I would love to see us land Lance and this young man.
What kid doesn't look like he can shoot the ball in his own highlight video? He looks like he's about 5'10...six foot seems like stretch. He used the same move everytime in this video and that will work approximately twice before Big East defenders catch on and stop overplaying his first step. His form leaves a lot to be desired and it looks like more than half of his shots have no arch. He shows little to no quickness in the entire video.
Unimpressive at best. There are a million kids just like this.
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WOW that was a pretty impressive video. Looks like the kid can shoot the ball.
I would love to see us land Lance and this young man.
What kid doesn't look like he can shoot the ball in his own highlight video? He looks like he's about 5'10...six foot seems like stretch. He used the same move everytime in this video and that will work approximately twice before Big East defenders catch on and stop overplaying his first step. His form leaves a lot to be desired and it looks like more than half of his shots have no arch. He shows little to no quickness in the entire video.
Unimpressive at best. There are a million kids just like this.
and we dont have one of them
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WOW that was a pretty impressive video. Looks like the kid can shoot the ball.
I would love to see us land Lance and this young man.
What kid doesn't look like he can shoot the ball in his own highlight video? He looks like he's about 5'10...six foot seems like stretch. He used the same move everytime in this video and that will work approximately twice before Big East defenders catch on and stop overplaying his first step. His form leaves a lot to be desired and it looks like more than half of his shots have no arch. He shows little to no quickness in the entire video.
Unimpressive at best. There are a million kids just like this.
and we dont have one of them
thats going a little too far isnt it
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WOW that was a pretty impressive video. Looks like the kid can shoot the ball.
I would love to see us land Lance and this young man.
What kid doesn't look like he can shoot the ball in his own highlight video? He looks like he's about 5'10...six foot seems like stretch. He used the same move everytime in this video and that will work approximately twice before Big East defenders catch on and stop overplaying his first step. His form leaves a lot to be desired and it looks like more than half of his shots have no arch. He shows little to no quickness in the entire video.
Unimpressive at best. There are a million kids just like this.
and we dont have one of them
thats going a little too far isnt it
im just talking about point guards who can hit three pointers
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to oregon.
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Good for him - they need a point and have some guys who can score.
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Good for him - they need a point and have some guys who can score.
Yeah, the six points a game will help them :)
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Their biggest problems are turnovers and a lack of defense. Ernie Kent's teams don't have much of a problem with scoring (except last year) efficiently; the defense is going to get Ernie fired. They need a point guard to control the madness, and Dunigan, Sim, Humphrey, Porter, Crittle, they do enough shooting to keep Armstead from hoisting many shots.
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Good luck to him but I'm glad norm was smart enough not to sign another point guard after stith. Hopefully we can sign a someone with talent
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They have like a million PG, I am starting to get the feeling Kids don't even look to see who is on the roster of the teams they commit to.
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Oregon doesn't have a million PGs. Sim might be a PG and there's another guy with high assist numbers... but I can't even remember his damned name offhand. They badly need a pace-setter. Tajuan Porter might be 5'6" but he is just an atrocious PG, he's a tiny SG.
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Anyone see this guys numbers lately??? I remember at the time being unsure if I wanted him or Stith, well ....
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/player/profile?playerId=45864 (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/player/profile?playerId=45864)
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Anyone see this guys numbers lately??? I remember at the time being unsure if I wanted him or Stith, well ....
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/player/profile?playerId=45864 (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/player/profile?playerId=45864)
I noticed he scored something like 22 points in Oregon's second or third game, this season.
The only reason why I think the staff didn't go through with the offer because they didn't wanna overload the roster with juniors and have an unbalanced roster.
Guess what? They already have an unbalanced roster. So, what's one more player gonna do to an already unbalanced roster?
I had only saw a 7 min. highlight clip on Armstead and that is all it took for me to see that he was better than Boothe. Heck! I can say after the first minute of the highlight clip I was convinced he was better than Boothe.
Quite frankly, I wanted Armstead over Stith, but we know how that turned out.
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He's only a Sophomore
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He's only a Sophomore
Oh! For real? Dang! It's even a worse move to not bring him in instead of Stith.
Clueless!
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Hindsight is 20/20. I like Stith so I don't mind.
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Really Dave I do not like Stith. No out side shot and cannot hit freee throws.
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Norm never has hindsight.
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Really Dave I do not like Stith. No out side shot and cannot hit freee throws.
He's a freshman, I see some potential.
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Really Dave I do not like Stith. No out side shot and cannot hit freee throws.
He's a freshman, I see some potential.
Unless, he's (Stith) playing for a new coach within the next year or two.... His potential will never be reached.
(edited to get the reply out of Dave's quotes)