6th Man of St. John's Basketball
St. John's Red Storm => In The Jungle... => Topic started by: jumpinjohnny on December 04, 2013, 11:42:57 PM
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STJ 79-68
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Fordham 73, STJ 60
Severe with 34. Fordham hits 13 threes as we sit in a slow and unresponsive California Zone to start the game, fall behind early and never get closer than 8. Lavin experiences his first strong criticism from the media.
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Fordham 73, STJ 60
Severe with 34. Fordham hits 13 threes as we sit in a slow and unresponsive California Zone to start the game, fall behind early and never get closer than 8. Lavin experiences his first strong criticism from the media.
Is that a prediction or a dream of what you want too see?
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Lavin's loss to Fordham in his first season is seared in his brain. Same with the rest of the team. This game isn't one that anybody is going to take lightly. We aren't losing this one.
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Fordham 73, STJ 60
Severe with 34. Fordham hits 13 threes as we sit in a slow and unresponsive California Zone to start the game, fall behind early and never get closer than 8. Lavin experiences his first strong criticism from the media.
Is that a prediction or a dream of what you want too see?
Hey, remember when you thought it was "all good" after Harkless went pro? Fordham's team might not be great, but they can shoot. AND, after just a few games, they know who they are. So, what is more likely to happen? We discover who we are by Saturday, or they come at us with offensive firepower that we aren't ready to defend?
We lost to Penn State not because they are a good team, but because we don't stop the damn ball. Should be favored to win, and we should win, but I don't think Lavin will abandon this terrible zone defense he's attempting to teach, and IMO that will play right into Pecora's hands.
Hope I'm wrong, which is why your response is both puzzling and pointless.
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Lavin's loss to Fordham in his first season is seared in his brain. Same with the rest of the team. This game isn't one that anybody is going to take lightly. We aren't losing this one.
Lavin's loss to Fordham in his first season is seared in his brain. Same with the rest of the team. This game isn't one that anybody is going to take lightly. We aren't losing this one.
Lavin's loss to Fordham in his first season is seared in his brain. Same with the rest of the team. This game isn't one that anybody is going to take lightly. We aren't losing this one.
You are correct. It is. I was at that game. Tell ya what, we go 12-6 in the BE, we can lose to Fordham. Thing is, I've been to a lot of games that we expected to win going away, and left sick to my stomach. The only team I haven't seen us lose to live is Iona, and we all know that's because we refuse to play them. I think they'd kill us.
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Lavin's loss to Fordham in his first season is seared in his brain. Same with the rest of the team. This game isn't one that anybody is going to take lightly. We aren't losing this one.
Lavin's loss to Fordham in his first season is seared in his brain. Same with the rest of the team. This game isn't one that anybody is going to take lightly. We aren't losing this one.
Lavin's loss to Fordham in his first season is seared in his brain. Same with the rest of the team. This game isn't one that anybody is going to take lightly. We aren't losing this one.
You are correct. It is. I was at that game. Tell ya what, we go 12-6 in the BE, we can lose to Fordham. Thing is, I've been to a lot of games that we expected to win going away, and left sick to my stomach. The only team I haven't seen us lose to live is Iona, and we all know that's because we refuse to play them. I think they'd kill us.
Problem with Iona is that theire defense makes ours look like Nolan Richardson's 40 minutes of hell.
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Lavin's loss to Fordham in his first season is seared in his brain. Same with the rest of the team. This game isn't one that anybody is going to take lightly. We aren't losing this one.
Lavin's loss to Fordham in his first season is seared in his brain. Same with the rest of the team. This game isn't one that anybody is going to take lightly. We aren't losing this one.
Lavin's loss to Fordham in his first season is seared in his brain. Same with the rest of the team. This game isn't one that anybody is going to take lightly. We aren't losing this one.
You are correct. It is. I was at that game. Tell ya what, we go 12-6 in the BE, we can lose to Fordham. Thing is, I've been to a lot of games that we expected to win going away, and left sick to my stomach. The only team I haven't seen us lose to live is Iona, and we all know that's because we refuse to play them. I think they'd kill us.
You think Iona would "kill us?" Wow. Is this based on their valiant effort barely losing to Cleveland State, or their convincing win over Wofford?
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Fordham 73, STJ 60
Severe with 34. Fordham hits 13 threes as we sit in a slow and unresponsive California Zone to start the game, fall behind early and never get closer than 8. Lavin experiences his first strong criticism from the media.
Is that a prediction or a dream of what you want too see?
Hey, remember when you thought it was "all good" after Harkless went pro? Fordham's team might not be great, but they can shoot. AND, after just a few games, they know who they are. So, what is more likely to happen? We discover who we are by Saturday, or they come at us with offensive firepower that we aren't ready to defend?
We lost to Penn State not because they are a good team, but because we don't stop the damn ball. Should be favored to win, and we should win, but I don't think Lavin will abandon this terrible zone defense he's attempting to teach, and IMO that will play right into Pecora's hands.
Hope I'm wrong, which is why your response is both puzzling and pointless.
There is nothing puzzling or pointless with my response. Pretty much half the people who post in these predictions threads post we will lose either as some kind of joke or reverse psychology thing. And then there are those who actually WANT to see a loss. Can we get picked off? Sure. Anyone can get picked off on any given day in college hoops.
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SJU 77
Fordham 69
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Lavin's loss to Fordham in his first season is seared in his brain. Same with the rest of the team. This game isn't one that anybody is going to take lightly. We aren't losing this one.
No one on this team was around when we lost to Fordham in lavins first year.
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15 point difference.
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25-21 Fordham at half
58-52 SJU pulls it out
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15 point win for Johnnies. Fordham has no depth and we hopefully drive and get interior guys in trouble. Let's get to foul line. Hate to say this, but prefer playing this at Rose Hill most years. My son and I were at that loss in Lavin's first year. Hated that we blew game, but that place was rocking, unlike AH. It was a great college BBall atmosphere.
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Lavin's loss to Fordham in his first season is seared in his brain. Same with the rest of the team. This game isn't one that anybody is going to take lightly. We aren't losing this one.
Lavin's loss to Fordham in his first season is seared in his brain. Same with the rest of the team. This game isn't one that anybody is going to take lightly. We aren't losing this one.
Lavin's loss to Fordham in his first season is seared in his brain. Same with the rest of the team. This game isn't one that anybody is going to take lightly. We aren't losing this one.
You are correct. It is. I was at that game. Tell ya what, we go 12-6 in the BE, we can lose to Fordham. Thing is, I've been to a lot of games that we expected to win going away, and left sick to my stomach. The only team I haven't seen us lose to live is Iona, and we all know that's because we refuse to play them. I think they'd kill us.
You think Iona would "kill us?" Wow. Is this based on their valiant effort barely losing to Cleveland State, or their convincing win over Wofford?
What have we done?
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15 point difference.
I agree
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SJU 85 - Fordham - 63
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Us 69 - 58
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63-61- Johnnies on Harrison buzzer beater
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78-52 SJU
Jordan's breakout game. Obekpa with 9 blocks.
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Lavin's loss to Fordham in his first season is seared in his brain. Same with the rest of the team. This game isn't one that anybody is going to take lightly. We aren't losing this one.
Lavin's loss to Fordham in his first season is seared in his brain. Same with the rest of the team. This game isn't one that anybody is going to take lightly. We aren't losing this one.
Lavin's loss to Fordham in his first season is seared in his brain. Same with the rest of the team. This game isn't one that anybody is going to take lightly. We aren't losing this one.
You are correct. It is. I was at that game. Tell ya what, we go 12-6 in the BE, we can lose to Fordham. Thing is, I've been to a lot of games that we expected to win going away, and left sick to my stomach. The only team I haven't seen us lose to live is Iona, and we all know that's because we refuse to play them. I think they'd kill us.
You think Iona would "kill us?" Wow. Is this based on their valiant effort barely losing to Cleveland State, or their convincing win over Wofford?
What have we done?
Enough to say we wouldn't be killed by Iona.
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Lavin's loss to Fordham in his first season is seared in his brain. Same with the rest of the team. This game isn't one that anybody is going to take lightly. We aren't losing this one.
Lavin's loss to Fordham in his first season is seared in his brain. Same with the rest of the team. This game isn't one that anybody is going to take lightly. We aren't losing this one.
Lavin's loss to Fordham in his first season is seared in his brain. Same with the rest of the team. This game isn't one that anybody is going to take lightly. We aren't losing this one.
You are correct. It is. I was at that game. Tell ya what, we go 12-6 in the BE, we can lose to Fordham. Thing is, I've been to a lot of games that we expected to win going away, and left sick to my stomach. The only team I haven't seen us lose to live is Iona, and we all know that's because we refuse to play them. I think they'd kill us.
You think Iona would "kill us?" Wow. Is this based on their valiant effort barely losing to Cleveland State, or their convincing win over Wofford?
What have we done?
Enough to say we wouldn't be killed by Iona.
Take a look at their margin of victory, and then take a look at ours. I don't think they'll be a better team than us in Feb, but if we played them now, this entire board would be scared shitless.
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Lavin's loss to Fordham in his first season is seared in his brain. Same with the rest of the team. This game isn't one that anybody is going to take lightly. We aren't losing this one.
Lavin's loss to Fordham in his first season is seared in his brain. Same with the rest of the team. This game isn't one that anybody is going to take lightly. We aren't losing this one.
Lavin's loss to Fordham in his first season is seared in his brain. Same with the rest of the team. This game isn't one that anybody is going to take lightly. We aren't losing this one.
You are correct. It is. I was at that game. Tell ya what, we go 12-6 in the BE, we can lose to Fordham. Thing is, I've been to a lot of games that we expected to win going away, and left sick to my stomach. The only team I haven't seen us lose to live is Iona, and we all know that's because we refuse to play them. I think they'd kill us.
You think Iona would "kill us?" Wow. Is this based on their valiant effort barely losing to Cleveland State, or their convincing win over Wofford?
What have we done?
Enough to say we wouldn't be killed by Iona.
Take a look at their margin of victory, and then take a look at ours. I don't think they'll be a better team than us in Feb, but if we played them now, this entire board would be scared shitless.
Well Baldi wouldnt be scared.
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Best part of this game is no matter what happens the poster Fordham will be upset.
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78-52 SJU
Jordan's breakout game. Obekpa with 9 blocks.
The only reason Obekpa doesn't get 15 blocks is because they are likely to play strictly on the perimeter.
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Hopefully Lavin is preaching Defend the Perimeter and Penetrate!!
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Sanchez bounces back with close to a double double. First game at the garden, we'll shoot well (by our standards at least). Rysheed gets his first dunk.
We win 74-61
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79-69 SJU.
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Francesa- 99
Kay- 62
Severe scores 45 of the 62.
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Francesa- 99
Kay- 62
Severe scores 45 of the 62.
With 0 assists.
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Sounds funny, but we gotta keep their little guys off the boards. If we limit their shots we win easy. If we lazy, we lose.
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Fordham 73, STJ 60
Severe with 34. Fordham hits 13 threes as we sit in a slow and unresponsive California Zone to start the game, fall behind early and never get closer than 8. Lavin experiences his first strong criticism from the media.
Is that a prediction or a dream of what you want too see?
Hey, remember when you thought it was "all good" after Harkless went pro? Fordham's team might not be great, but they can shoot. AND, after just a few games, they know who they are. So, what is more likely to happen? We discover who we are by Saturday, or they come at us with offensive firepower that we aren't ready to defend?
We lost to Penn State not because they are a good team, but because we don't stop the damn ball. Should be favored to win, and we should win, but I don't think Lavin will abandon this terrible zone defense he's attempting to teach, and IMO that will play right into Pecora's hands.
Hope I'm wrong, which is why your response is both puzzling and pointless.
Your prediction is puzzling....entitled to your opinion but it certainly not based on Fordham success against any competition...
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We lost to Penn State not because they are a good team, but because we don't stop the damn ball.
No, we lost to Penn St. because Jakarr decided to break as many cardinal rules of defense as possible at the games most critical juncture.
He bit the pump fake badly; 1) leaving his feet to contest a jump shooter and 2) He fouled a three point shooter. Not the first time this season either.
The fact that there were 6 seconds remaining and the shooter was 25 feet from the basket makes it all the more egregious.
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Lavin's loss to Fordham in his first season is seared in his brain. Same with the rest of the team. This game isn't one that anybody is going to take lightly. We aren't losing this one.
Lavin's loss to Fordham in his first season is seared in his brain. Same with the rest of the team. This game isn't one that anybody is going to take lightly. We aren't losing this one.
Lavin's loss to Fordham in his first season is seared in his brain. Same with the rest of the team. This game isn't one that anybody is going to take lightly. We aren't losing this one.
You are correct. It is. I was at that game. Tell ya what, we go 12-6 in the BE, we can lose to Fordham. Thing is, I've been to a lot of games that we expected to win going away, and left sick to my stomach. The only team I haven't seen us lose to live is Iona, and we all know that's because we refuse to play them. I think they'd kill us.
You think Iona would "kill us?" Wow. Is this based on their valiant effort barely losing to Cleveland State, or their convincing win over Wofford?
What have we done?
Enough to say we wouldn't be killed by Iona.
Take a look at their margin of victory, and then take a look at ours. I don't think they'll be a better team than us in Feb, but if we played them now, this entire board would be scared shitless.
Scared shitless by Iona? Not a chance. I don't know why this is even a discussion. Iona has put up plenty of points against Nancy's. We haven't played our best ball by a longshot, but Iona's defense doesn't scare anybody. Their offense wold have a lot harder time getting shots off vs our shotblockers than anybody they've played. I'm amazed at how little respect fans of SJU have for our team, considering we have only 2 losses, 1 which we lost because we missed a free throw and the other against a top 10 team.
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Used to go to these Fordham games hoping, wanting and expecting to win by 20. have learned to temper my expectations and will be happy to be walking out of MSG with a one point victory. Of course my preference would be a blow out win. Haven't seen Fordham so I will not make a prediction, but am concerned by their apparent good guard play.
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71-66 Fordham
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Lavin's loss to Fordham in his first season is seared in his brain. Same with the rest of the team. This game isn't one that anybody is going to take lightly. We aren't losing this one.
Lavin's loss to Fordham in his first season is seared in his brain. Same with the rest of the team. This game isn't one that anybody is going to take lightly. We aren't losing this one.
Lavin's loss to Fordham in his first season is seared in his brain. Same with the rest of the team. This game isn't one that anybody is going to take lightly. We aren't losing this one.
You are correct. It is. I was at that game. Tell ya what, we go 12-6 in the BE, we can lose to Fordham. Thing is, I've been to a lot of games that we expected to win going away, and left sick to my stomach. The only team I haven't seen us lose to live is Iona, and we all know that's because we refuse to play them. I think they'd kill us.
You think Iona would "kill us?" Wow. Is this based on their valiant effort barely losing to Cleveland State, or their convincing win over Wofford?
What have we done?
Enough to say we wouldn't be killed by Iona.
Take a look at their margin of victory, and then take a look at ours. I don't think they'll be a better team than us in Feb, but if we played them now, this entire board would be scared shitless.
Scared shitless by Iona? Not a chance. I don't know why this is even a discussion. Iona has put up plenty of points against Nancy's. We haven't played our best ball by a longshot, but Iona's defense doesn't scare anybody. Their offense wold have a lot harder time getting shots off vs our shotblockers than anybody they've played. I'm amazed at how little respect fans of SJU have for our team, considering we have only 2 losses, 1 which we lost because we missed a free throw and the other against a top 10 team.
We played Longwood, Monmouth, and now we're playing Fordham at home. They played some decent programs and looked very strong. They housed George Mason. If we had done that everyone here would call it a solid win. Who have we housed? Humbolt State?
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We go all Loyola Marymount on F.U. and run them out of MSG 115-84. (btw - for those that say run and gun doesn't work, recall the final score of the Bo Kimble led LMU-Michigan NCAA tourney game.....yessir, 149-115... it is possible to run an ENTIRE game - lol)
Seriously, we come out up tempo, picking up the press at half court for most FU possessions. Chaos ensues, and our comfortable lead evaporates as we are lethargic the LAST 10 minutes of the game to win a 68-65 tight one. Severe misses the 3 at the buzzer to tie it.
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Poison - I'm curious. What is your prediction for this year's record?
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We lost to Penn State not because they are a good team, but because we don't stop the damn ball.
No, we lost to Penn St. because Jakarr decided to break as many cardinal rules of defense as possible at the games most critical juncture.
He bit the pump fake badly; 1) leaving his feet to contest a jump shooter and 2) He fouled a three point shooter. Not the first time this season either.
The fact that there were 6 seconds remaining and the shooter was 25 feet from the basket makes it all the more egregious.
That is not a game that should have come down to the final seconds. It sould have been won by double digits. Can fault Jakars foul or Harrisons missed ft, but the fact is the game should have been over several minutes before.
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15 point win for Johnnies. Fordham has no depth and we hopefully drive and get interior guys in trouble. Let's get to foul line. Hate to say this, but prefer playing this at Rose Hill most years. My son and I were at that loss in Lavin's first year. Hated that we blew game, but that place was rocking, unlike AH. It was a great college BBall atmosphere.
They have interior guys? I thought every guy on team was a guard, although they get to the boards pretty good. If they offensive board and get it back outside for uncontested 3, that could hurt us. I'm hoping our guys are awake for this one.
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That is not a game that should have come down to the final seconds. It sould have been won by double digits.
Why do you say that?
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Fordham96
Fordham69
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78-52 SJU
Jordan's breakout game. Obekpa with 9 blocks.
The only reason Obekpa doesn't get 15 blocks is because they are likely to play strictly on the perimeter.
This is kinda what worries me. If they play heavily on the perimeter it will neutralize our rim protection. We definitely MUST guard the perimeter better than we have.
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Fordham96
Fordham69
Fordham96
Fordham69
Fordham96
Fordham69
Woa, that's deep.
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Fordham96
Fordham69
Einhorn is Finkle! Finkle is Einhorn!
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Johnnies by 4 ( on talent alone) unless Lavin utilizes his decided height advantage and inside play and not allow our guards to host up I'll advised threes. If he does, the game should be a double digit win for the Johnnies as the talent differential of the front courts is enormous.
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In the train. Going to the game because I like going. This is not a rivalry game. Shouldn't even be a good game . Fordham sucks . They have sucked atleast for the last 20 years.
I expect the team to play well. Point spree is 12. Would be disappointing not to cover.
Don't understand how any one on here can pick us to lose. We beat Fordham when Tomas j. Was playing for us
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Fordham 73, STJ 60
Severe with 34. Fordham hits 13 threes as we sit in a slow and unresponsive California Zone to start the game, fall behind early and never get closer than 8. Lavin experiences his first strong criticism from the media.
If it's all the same to everyone, I'd like to adjust my score prediction.
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Fordham 73, STJ 60
Severe with 34. Fordham hits 13 threes as we sit in a slow and unresponsive California Zone to start the game, fall behind early and never get closer than 8. Lavin experiences his first strong criticism from the media.
If it's all the same to everyone, I'd like to adjust my score prediction.
It was just a matter of time before SJU put a beating on a less talented team like this. They are WAAAYYYY too talented to be struggling against the Longwood's of the world.
It was early and as soon as Sanchez finds his role like today and Jordan stops pressing and let's the game come to him and Pointer just does EVERYTHING this team can be really dangerous. I know this is only Fordham but this is easily Pecora's best team so far even with the slim depth and Frazier and Severe have been a good backcourt. But they just ran into a team that when they start to putting it together can REALLY be good. I mean Lavin pulled Obekpa and Harrison with 10 minutes to go and they still push the lead up to near 50.
I mean Pointer was guarding Severe and Severe had NO chance, none. Pointer could stay with him off the bounce and then when he tried to go inside he got his shot swatted.
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Did anyone come close to predicting a 46 point win?
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Did anyone come close to predicting a 46 point win?
MJmaher was closest with 96-69
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Did anyone come close to predicting a 46 point win?
MJmaher was closest with 96-69
Did anyone come close to predicting a 46 point win?
MJmaher was closest with 96-69
was a pretty damn good prediction by me :)
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Did anyone come close to predicting a 46 point win?
MJmaher was closest with 96-69
Did anyone come close to predicting a 46 point win?
MJmaher was closest with 96-69
was a pretty damn good prediction by me :)
Yes, very close!
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In the train. Going to the game because I like going. This is not a rivalry game. Shouldn't even be a good game . Fordham sucks . They have sucked atleast for the last 20 years.
I expect the team to play well. Point spree is 12. Would be disappointing not to cover.
Don't understand how any one on here can pick us to lose. We beat Fordham when Tomas j. Was playing for us
When did Tomas Jasuloines face Fordham. I don't remember that. Thought we were actively avoiding them when Norm was here. We were probably better than them, but they could have certainly beaten us.
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2009 We beat them 73-56 under Norm.
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Francesa- 99
Kay- 62
Severe scores 45 of the 62.
Ahem. Minus the Severe part
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2009 We beat them 73-56 under Norm.
Tomas wasn't on that team.
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2009 We beat them 73-56 under Norm.
Tomas wasn't on that team.
I didn't think he was but I didn't go back to check. Before that, we had not played them for 7 years (according to Rumble in the Garden article).
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My bad. Point is they suck and have always sucked. Silly to predict us to lose to them
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Francesa- 99
Kay- 62
Severe scores 45 of the 62.
Ahem. Minus the Severe part
Nice calls by Boo and MJMaher, both were pretty damn close.
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In the train. Going to the game because I like going. This is not a rivalry game. Shouldn't even be a good game . Fordham sucks . They have sucked atleast for the last 20 years.
I expect the team to play well. Point spree is 12. Would be disappointing not to cover.
Don't understand how any one on here can pick us to lose. We beat Fordham when Tomas j. Was playing for us
Real good game at msg a ways back. Smush was playing for Fordham and really played hard the whole game. We came from way back to win. Thought they had us.
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In the train. Going to the game because I like going. This is not a rivalry game. Shouldn't even be a good game . Fordham sucks . They have sucked atleast for the last 20 years.
I expect the team to play well. Point spree is 12. Would be disappointing not to cover.
Don't understand how any one on here can pick us to lose. We beat Fordham when Tomas j. Was playing for us
Real good game at msg a ways back. Smush was playing for Fordham and really played hard the whole game. We came from way back to win. Thought they had us.
And the year before that they beat us.
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There are three categories of posters on this board, as there are on all sports-related message boards. The homers, the objective posters (some are more optimists than others), and the delusional ones with agendas that post delusional and irrational commentary (to this board's credit, we only have a handful that seemingly fall into this category). It is funny what a blow out win like yesterday does. You still hear from the first two -- as you always do. The latter are silent. To quote the immortal Ari Gold, silence is golden.
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There are three categories of posters on this board, as there are on all sports-related message boards. The homers, the objective posters (some are more optimists than others), and the delusional ones with agendas that post delusional and irrational commentary (to this board's credit, we only have a handful that seemingly fall into this category). It is funny what a blow out win like yesterday does. You still hear from the first two -- as you always do. The latter are silent. To quote the immortal Ari Gold, silence is golden.
I know exactly who you are referring too.
Must be on vacation…..
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The "core four" by my account -- one apparently had words with Danny Hurley recently
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There are three categories of posters on this board, as there are on all sports-related message boards. The homers, the objective posters (some are more optimists than others), and the delusional ones with agendas that post delusional and irrational commentary (to this board's credit, we only have a handful that seemingly fall into this category). It is funny what a blow out win like yesterday does. You still hear from the first two -- as you always do. The latter are silent. To quote the immortal Ari Gold, silence is golden.
I know exactly who you are referring too.
Must be on vacation…..
Are the point was confirmed yesterday that Roberts is defiantly the better recruiter then Lavin and nothing else needs to be said.