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St. John's Red Storm => In The Jungle... => Topic started by: Acrimony on December 16, 2013, 10:03:03 AM

Title: 133 Minutes with Lavin
Post by: Acrimony on December 16, 2013, 10:03:03 AM
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http://nymag.com/news/intelligencer/encounter/steve-lavin-2013-12/
Title: Re: 133 Minutes with Lavin
Post by: bball purist on December 19, 2013, 08:29:15 PM
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http://nymag.com/news/intelligencer/encounter/steve-lavin-2013-12/
This is a great line: "If Phil Jackson is the NBA’s Zen master, the 49-year-old Lavin is college hoops’ Zen televangelist, spouting platitudes in an antic, camera-friendly, gesticulating patter."  Luvin' Lavs
Title: Re: 133 Minutes with Lavin
Post by: paultzman on December 20, 2013, 05:07:32 PM
 Auditioning? ;) Am curious to hear him running a practice;

@StJohnsBBall: After being miked-up for practice, @SJUCoachLavin sits with @foxsports1 to discuss his teaching philosophy. #SJUBB http://t.co/KgQV3qsl8g (http://t.co/KgQV3qsl8g)
Title: Re: 133 Minutes with Lavin
Post by: desco80 on December 20, 2013, 06:09:02 PM
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http://nymag.com/news/intelligencer/encounter/steve-lavin-2013-12/
This is a great line: "If Phil Jackson is the NBA’s Zen master, the 49-year-old Lavin is college hoops’ Zen televangelist, spouting platitudes in an antic, camera-friendly, gesticulating patter."  Luvin' Lavs

Am I the only one who didn't take this observation as a positive?   The writer just called our coach a vapid clown.
Title: Re: 133 Minutes with Lavin
Post by: bball purist on December 20, 2013, 08:42:37 PM
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http://nymag.com/news/intelligencer/encounter/steve-lavin-2013-12/
This is a great line: "If Phil Jackson is the NBA’s Zen master, the 49-year-old Lavin is college hoops’ Zen televangelist, spouting platitudes in an antic, camera-friendly, gesticulating patter."  Luvin' Lavs

Am I the only one who didn't take this observation as a positive?   The writer just called our coach a vapid clown.

It could be viewed two ways, I chose the "I love coach's over the top, profound references and sayings."  I can see where a slight zing was sent his way by the author.  I don't care - coach is in an entertainment industry, and he'll entertain us even more when we're winning and the announcers start sending platitudes his way.  btw - you interpreted the quote as calling him a vapid clown - I didn't see "vapid clown" in it.
Title: Re: 133 Minutes with Lavin
Post by: desco80 on December 21, 2013, 11:26:07 AM
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http://nymag.com/news/intelligencer/encounter/steve-lavin-2013-12/
This is a great line: "If Phil Jackson is the NBA’s Zen master, the 49-year-old Lavin is college hoops’ Zen televangelist, spouting platitudes in an antic, camera-friendly, gesticulating patter."  Luvin' Lavs

Am I the only one who didn't take this observation as a positive?   The writer just called our coach a vapid clown.

It could be viewed two ways, I chose the "I love coach's over the top, profound references and sayings."  I can see where a slight zing was sent his way by the author.  I don't care - coach is in an entertainment industry, and he'll entertain us even more when we're winning and the announcers start sending platitudes his way.  btw - you interpreted the quote as calling him a vapid clown - I didn't see "vapid clown" in it.

That's not my interpretation, that's what the words mean.  I'm not going to applaud an article where the writer not-so-subtly insults our coach.   

Platitude - noun - a flat, dull, or trite remark, especially one uttered as if it were fresh or profound.

Antic - adj - ludicrous; funny; grotesque

Patter - noun -
1. meaningless, rapid talk; mere chatter; gabble.
2. the usually glib and rapid speech or talk used by a magician while performing, a barker at a circus or sideshow, a comedian or other entertainer, a vendor of questionable wares, or the like; stylized or rehearsed talk used to attract attention, entertain, etc.
3. amusing lines delivered rapidly by an entertainer or performer, as in a comic routine or in a song.
Title: Re: 133 Minutes with Lavin
Post by: survivedc on December 21, 2013, 12:46:58 PM
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http://nymag.com/news/intelligencer/encounter/steve-lavin-2013-12/
This is a great line: "If Phil Jackson is the NBA’s Zen master, the 49-year-old Lavin is college hoops’ Zen televangelist, spouting platitudes in an antic, camera-friendly, gesticulating patter."  Luvin' Lavs

Am I the only one who didn't take this observation as a positive?   The writer just called our coach a vapid clown.

It could be viewed two ways, I chose the "I love coach's over the top, profound references and sayings."  I can see where a slight zing was sent his way by the author.  I don't care - coach is in an entertainment industry, and he'll entertain us even more when we're winning and the announcers start sending platitudes his way.  btw - you interpreted the quote as calling him a vapid clown - I didn't see "vapid clown" in it.

That's not my interpretation, that's what the words mean.  I'm not going to applaud an article where the writer not-so-subtly insults our coach.   

Platitude - noun - a flat, dull, or trite remark, especially one uttered as if it were fresh or profound.

Antic - adj - ludicrous; funny; grotesque

Patter - noun -
1. meaningless, rapid talk; mere chatter; gabble.
2. the usually glib and rapid speech or talk used by a magician while performing, a barker at a circus or sideshow, a comedian or other entertainer, a vendor of questionable wares, or the like; stylized or rehearsed talk used to attract attention, entertain, etc.
3. amusing lines delivered rapidly by an entertainer or performer, as in a comic routine or in a song.

I kinda think you are taking each word too literally. I think the important part of that sentence is the slight comparison to Phil Jackson, then going on to say that Lav's is more of a showman. The rest of the article has a pretty friendly tone, so I wouldn't read too much into each individual word. It's not a poem after all.