Vince Cole

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Re: Vince Cole
« Reply #60 on: September 29, 2019, 06:03:36 PM »
Yeah I saw it.  Each team held serve on their home court in this rivalry during the Mullin era. That's 1 and 1 lifetime for Mullin against one of the true blue blood programs and a hall of fame coach.

What you try to use as anti-Mullin slander is actually pro-Mullin ammunition.  You're so bad at this.

If I was in the business of bad mouthing a college basketball programs living legend on the least appropriate forum possible - I could formulate an anti-mullin argument way, way better than you can.
You think you are winning what ever so called argument we are having? Your boy was a joke. 1-1 vs duke. Who cares. The duke win means nothing when you lose 11 conference games in a row, your PG quits the team, and 2 more players transfer out. Tied for last place and get killed AGAIN in big east.

Re: Vince Cole
« Reply #61 on: September 30, 2019, 01:05:27 AM »
You think you are winning what ever so called argument we are having? Your boy was a joke. 1-1 vs duke. Who cares. The duke win means nothing when you lose 11 conference games in a row, your PG quits the team, and 2 more players transfer out. Tied for last place and get killed AGAIN in big east.
Who cares? You care.  You're the one that brought up Duke in yet another failed attempt of yours to denigrate Mullin. 

Allow me to refresh your memory; "By the way great point foady. Not quite as good as pressure defense not flummoxing opponents. Coach k did nothing complicated vs shamori ponds. Ponds and St. Jean looked plenty flummoxed."

Obviously St. Jean didn't look "plenty flummoxed" as they were beating Duke at the garden. You're so bad at this that I just can't resist setting the record straight and beating you like a drum. 
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« Reply #62 on: September 30, 2019, 01:00:19 PM »
Who cares? You care.  You're the one that brought up Duke in yet another failed attempt of yours to denigrate Mullin. 

Allow me to refresh your memory; "By the way great point foady. Not quite as good as pressure defense not flummoxing opponents. Coach k did nothing complicated vs shamori ponds. Ponds and St. Jean looked plenty flummoxed."

Obviously St. Jean didn't look "plenty flummoxed" as they were beating Duke at the garden. You're so bad at this that I just can't resist setting the record straight and beating you like a drum. 
Your idiot was going on and on about nonsense. He had no point. Just taking a shot at our new coach. Pressure defense only fools Chris mullin and bad JV coaches. Coach Anderson isn’t trying flummox anyone. He is telling the world that we are going to play tough.
I like debating. And I am far from bad at it. 2 years ago I reluctantly went to the duke game. Getting embarrassed again in front of 20,000 people was not how I wanted to spend a Saturday.
I can’t debate you because you make no sense. As much fun as the duke game was it meant NOTHING! That season was one of the worst in school history. We played well for 3 games. Who cares? Last place AGAIN! Watching amar play. Not seeing yakwe get better or even get into games. Getting killed AGAIN in the big east tournament . I could list 20 more reasons why that season sucked. But not for you. You enjoyed watching st. Jean do the yeomans work of actually coaching the team. (It’s sad that you don’t know that St. Jean can’t coach for shit).

You are lucky that cragg came this year. The honeymoon was over. It wasnt just the crazies that were hating on your boy. This season would have gotten ugly. Coach fxck you would Not have done well. I am sure you remember things differently. But your boy who brought us to the tournament and sold out the garden was SHIT CANNED! Rationalize that!

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Re: Vince Cole
« Reply #63 on: September 30, 2019, 01:07:25 PM »
Who cares? You care.  You're the one that brought up Duke in yet another failed attempt of yours to denigrate Mullin. 

Allow me to refresh your memory; "By the way great point foady. Not quite as good as pressure defense not flummoxing opponents. Coach k did nothing complicated vs shamori ponds. Ponds and St. Jean looked plenty flummoxed."

Obviously St. Jean didn't look "plenty flummoxed" as they were beating Duke at the garden. You're so bad at this that I just can't resist setting the record straight and beating you like a drum. 

If a couple of wins over a ranked team was enough for an entire season Norm Roberts would still be here.

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Re: Vince Cole
« Reply #64 on: September 30, 2019, 01:49:19 PM »
I like debating. And I am far from bad at it.


Re: Vince Cole
« Reply #65 on: September 30, 2019, 02:11:32 PM »
Your idiot was going on and on about nonsense. 
Just as you've written many times that Chris Mullin is "your boy" and I've corrected you many times that he's "our boy".  So too it's true that Doc is not "your idiot" - he's "our idiot".
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As much fun as the duke game was it meant NOTHING! That season was one of the worst in school history. We played well for 3 games. Who cares? Last place AGAIN! Watching amar play. Not seeing yakwe get better or even get into games. Getting killed AGAIN in the big east tournament . I could list 20 more reasons why that season sucked. But not for you. You enjoyed watching st. Jean do the yeomans work of actually coaching the team. (It’s sad that you don’t know that St. Jean can’t coach for shit).
You're just ranting and raving and attributing thoughts and feelings to me that I've never actually thought or felt to support your twisted agenda.

1) I never posted that the Duke win didn't mean "NOTHING" until you posted that St. Jean and Ponds were "flummoxed" by Coach K.  So I merely pointed out when they weren't "flummoxed" by Coach K.  Exposing your claim as ignorant.

2) I never said that two seasons ago didn't suck.

3) I never said I enjoyed watching St. Jean coach the team.

I quote and respond to what you actually write.  You just make sh*t up in your head, attribute it to me and then debate yourself over it. Quit doing that.

Re: Vince Cole
« Reply #66 on: September 30, 2019, 02:35:40 PM »
This season would have gotten ugly. Coach fxck you would Not have done well.
Obviously there is no way to know what would have happened since it's never going to happen.  Only an idiot or We Are Nostradamus would claim such knowledge of the fictional future. Which are you?  My OPINION is that Coach Mullin would have improved his team record in season 5 and again led us to the Ncaa tournament. I formulated this opinion based on the fact that Coach Mullin improved the teams record every season in years one to four and I have no reason to surmise that that impressive trend wouldn't have continued.
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I am sure you remember things differently.

How can I remember a future that never happened?  You can't possibly be this obtuse.
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But your boy who brought us to the tournament and sold out the garden was SHIT CANNED!
I am well aware that St. Johns' living legend is no longer the coach.
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Rationalize that!
With pleasure. Lavin, Roberts, Fraschilla, Jarvis, Mahoney...heck even Carnesecca and Lapchick departed Union and Utopia unceremoniously with their tails between their legs. No coach ever leaves here in a blaze of Glory. That's not how we do it here at the "coaching graveyard".

P.S. Even I am too young to remember Al Destefano, Buck Freeman and Frank McGuire as coaches here but I wouldn't be surprised if the same evil fate befell them too.
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Re: Vince Cole
« Reply #67 on: September 30, 2019, 03:25:59 PM »
“I never said I enjoyed watching St. Jean coach”
Carmine- he was the fxcking coach.

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Re: Vince Cole
« Reply #68 on: September 30, 2019, 04:25:53 PM »
My OPINION is that Coach Mullin would have improved his team record in season 5 and again led us to the Ncaa tournament. I formulated this opinion based on the fact that Coach Mullin improved the teams record every season in years one to four and I have no reason to surmise that that impressive trend wouldn't have continued.

The team’s talent improved each year as well. Do you believe this year’s team would have been more talented than last year’s team?

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« Reply #69 on: September 30, 2019, 04:27:45 PM »
Obviously there is no way to know what would have happened since it's never going to happen.  Only an idiot or We Are Nostradamus would claim such knowledge of the fictional future. Which are you?  My OPINION is that Coach Mullin would have improved his team record in season 5 and again led us to the Ncaa tournament. I formulated this opinion based on the fact that Coach Mullin improved the teams record every season in years one to four and I have no reason to surmise that that impressive trend wouldn't have continued.
How can I remember a future that never happened?  You can't possibly be this obtuse.I am well aware that St. Johns' living legend is no longer the coach. With pleasure. Lavin, Roberts, Fraschilla, Jarvis, Mahoney...heck even Carnesecca and Lapchick departed Union and Utopia unceremoniously with their tails between their legs. No coach ever leaves here in a blaze of Glory. That's not how we do it here at the "coaching graveyard".

P.S. Even I am too young to remember Al Destefano, Buck Freeman and Frank McGuire as coaches here but I wouldn't be surprised if the same evil fate befell them too.


When Coach Carnesecca retired, he was treated pretty well from what I remember, but maybe you didn’t hear the speech that PJ gave at his retirement dinner in 1992 in Manhattan? It was quite the speech from what I recall. Plus, Coach K, Jim B, Bobby Knight, Jim Calhoun, Rollie Massimino and Rick Pitino were all there to honor Coach Carnesecca.

They probably had another retirement dinner for him in Queens, but I didn’t attend that one.

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Re: Vince Cole
« Reply #70 on: September 30, 2019, 04:48:16 PM »

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« Reply #71 on: September 30, 2019, 05:12:42 PM »
😂

Spot on.
St. Jean and Mullins are getting better with age!

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Re: Vince Cole
« Reply #72 on: September 30, 2019, 06:51:05 PM »
St. Jean and Mullins are getting better with age!

Like usual, I have no clue what you are even saying.

Re: Vince Cole
« Reply #73 on: September 30, 2019, 10:25:46 PM »
“I never said I enjoyed watching St. Jean coach”
Carmine- he was the fxcking coach.
I don't understand what this means.

Re: Vince Cole
« Reply #74 on: September 30, 2019, 11:16:10 PM »
When Coach Carnesecca retired, he was treated pretty well from what I remember, but maybe you didn’t hear the speech that PJ gave at his retirement dinner in 1992 in Manhattan? It was quite the speech from what I recall. Plus, Coach K, Jim B, Bobby Knight, Jim Calhoun, Rollie Massimino and Rick Pitino were all there to honor Coach Carnesecca.

They probably had another retirement dinner for him in Queens, but I didn’t attend that one.
Fair point. I was thinking of that as well.

When I included Carnesecca as evidence on my list of "don't let the door hit you on the way out" ex. St. John coaches, I considered omitting him based on the revered (second only to Mullin?) position/status that Coach Lou now holds in Johnny basketball. Heck, the band plays Kingsmen songs with difficult to decipher lyrics in his honor.

But as you are well aware Michael, coach Lou took a lot of heat from fans in his day for:
1) Consistently loosing in the first and second round of the tournament. Often to teams seeded worse.
2) Playing a down tempo style. Never running or pressing even when behind.
3) Loyally playing upperclassmen at the expense of more talented underclassman. Even when that talent is all-time Nba assist leading talent.

I never attended an event honoring Coach Lou post retirement. The one you described with all the coaching royalty there sounds great.
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Re: Vince Cole
« Reply #75 on: October 01, 2019, 03:05:16 PM »
The team’s talent improved each year as well. Do you believe this year’s team would have been more talented than last year’s team?
I don't know. 

On the one hand it's difficult for me to fathom how a team minus Walden could be described as "more talented". On the other hand we'll never know if Garfunkel and Matt would have remained if Chris stayed and what Abdulamassah, who was extremely adept at the transfer game, would have pulled out of his hat last minute.

Re: Vince Cole
« Reply #76 on: October 02, 2019, 01:18:40 PM »
I don't know. 

On the one hand it's difficult for me to fathom how a team minus Walden could be described as "more talented". On the other hand we'll never know if Garfunkel and Matt would have remained if Chris stayed and what Abdulamassah, who was extremely adept at the transfer game, would have pulled out of his hat last minute.

I think if Mullin was given an extension and made another hire the staff would have been bolstered Simon would have stayed and Mack would have been aboard and who knows.

However we could have easily been without Simon, Mack and been stuck like Lavin's final year.
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Re: Vince Cole
« Reply #77 on: October 03, 2019, 02:28:39 PM »
who knows.
Exactly. 

I'm not very good at predicting the future (other than a bleak one for us on Union and Utopia obviously). Astute, objective analysis of real time St. John's basketball events are my specialty.

Re: Vince Cole
« Reply #78 on: October 03, 2019, 02:43:27 PM »
Exactly. 

I'm not very good at predicting the future (other than a bleak one for us on Union and Utopia obviously). Astute, objective analysis of real time St. John's basketball events are my specialty.

You're the best Carmine
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Re: Vince Cole
« Reply #79 on: October 04, 2019, 12:32:39 AM »
You're the best Carmine
Back atcha Dave.