Pelphrey or Joba?

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Pelphrey or Joba?
« on: August 21, 2008, 10:30:27 AM »
You have to pick one today to go to battle with for the rest of the season(assuming both are healthy) who do you choose?
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Re: Pelphrey or Joba?
« Reply #1 on: August 21, 2008, 10:31:23 AM »
Pelphrey, how many wins does Joba have?

Re: Pelphrey or Joba?
« Reply #2 on: August 21, 2008, 03:36:36 PM »
I'm a die hard Mets fan, & it hurts to say it but,

Joba has a 2.1 ERA over last 2 years (U said if healthy)

that being said, wouldnt trade Pelf for any similar experience pitcher out there
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Re: Pelphrey or Joba?
« Reply #3 on: August 21, 2008, 05:46:41 PM »
I should say as a starter.
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Re: Pelphrey or Joba?
« Reply #4 on: August 21, 2008, 06:45:18 PM »
I am a Met Fan but I would have to go with Joba.

Re: Pelphrey or Joba?
« Reply #5 on: August 26, 2008, 01:57:47 PM »
Like I said, I'll take Pelfrey. Back to back Complete games. Where is Joba?

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Re: Pelfrey in a heartbeat!
« Reply #6 on: August 26, 2008, 05:03:30 PM »


p.s. - this generations Greg Maddux with more velocity???..  ;D .. peace!
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Re: Pelphrey or Joba?
« Reply #7 on: August 26, 2008, 05:54:42 PM »
I really got a LOL out of this. Oldred you are a character. Greg Maddux 300+ Wins....  Pelphrey not even 10 wins... I sure hope you're right though?
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Re: Pelphrey or Joba?
« Reply #8 on: August 26, 2008, 06:43:28 PM »
Pelfrey's got 13 actually.

But yeah, that is pretty laughable...  I was a huge doubter on Pelfrey early on, but I'm starting to come around.  I want to see if he can do this next year, if he can then he's a future ace. 

Re: Pelphrey or Joba?
« Reply #9 on: August 26, 2008, 06:59:01 PM »

Hot Met Prospect - The Next Pelfrey

http://www.observer.com/2008/style/sports/next-pelfrey

Once the Mets traded four prospects to obtain Johan Santana this past offseason, the team had more or less cleared out its farm system of attractive prospects, with one notable exception in Fernando Martinez.

So in this June’s draft, New York knew it had to take players that could make quick work of the minor leagues.

The Mets had three of the first 33 picks, and selected first baseman Ike Davis, shortstop Reese Havens, and pitcher Brad Holt. All three played in the Brooklyn Cyclones’ 5-4 loss Saturday night to the Staten Island Yankees. But so far, only Holt has displayed abilities that hint at a fast trip through the minor league system.

Davis has struggled with his offense—through Sunday, he had yet to homer in 95 professional at-bats. Havens, meanwhile, was struggling with an elbow injury that limited him to designated hitter duty. He then pulled his groin running out a ground ball on Saturday night, and is likely to miss some time, according to Brooklyn manager Edgar Alfonzo.

Holt, who, despite a 95 m.p.h. fastball, slipped to the 33rd pick in the draft over questions about his off-speed pitches, has been nothing short of brilliant in his first professional season. And in the best news of all for New York, he isn’t doing it by just overpowering hitters with his fastball. His slider and changeup should allow a healthy Holt to move quickly through the system, drawing comparisons to current Met starter Mike Pelfrey along the way. The difference is, it took Pelfrey the better part of three years to develop his slider and changeup—for Holt’s changeup, it took two starts.

Holt dominated Saturday night, allowing four hits and one earned run in 5 1/3 innings, walking two and striking out seven. More impressively, once Holt began mixing his pitches after the second inning, he retired 12 of the final 13 batters, six of them on strikeouts.

“They’re coming along real nice,” Holt said between bites of a chicken tender in the tiny visitor’s locker room following the game. “My changeup stayed down all night. I left the slider up a couple of times, but sliders sometimes do that. But I was real happy with the changeup—it’s the second start I’m throwing it.”

Holt did throw a show-me changeup in college, but he said it had no downward movement—essentially, it was occasion to change speeds on the hitters, but he had no cause to throw it very often. When a pitcher throws 95 MPH fastballs, most college hitters don’t have a chance.

Not so at the professional level, even in the New York-Penn League, which is considered a step below A-ball. Holt got the first batter on a line out to left. The second hitter homered. A line out, a hard single to center, and another line out followed. He’d faced five batters, and all five had hit the ball hard, with Holt throwing mostly fastballs.

He adjusted his focus in the second inning, but had a tendency to repeat his pitches, throwing three fastballs in a row, three changeups in a row, and three sliders in a row during the inning.

But after loading the bases with one out on a single and a pair of walks, Holt got it right. He started the next hitter with a 92 MPH fastball, that missed. A nasty slider induced a swing and a miss to even the count. Then, a 93 MPH fastball was fouled away. A changeup just missed (but froze the batter), evening the count at 2-2. Another terrific slider had the hitter flailing. Two out.

The next hitter got more of Holt mixing. A changeup on the outside corner for a called strike, followed by a slider that the hitter laid off of to get to 1-1. The next change just missed, but the fastball that followed had the hitter way behind it, barely fouling it off to get the count to 2-2. One fastball later, Holt threw another beautiful change. The hitter swung way too soon, and Holt was out of the inning.

Over the next 3 1/3 innings, Holt’s three pitches were all on display, and got hitters to swing and miss at all of them. His fastball velocity actually improved as the game went on, with a high reading of 96 MPH. By the time he reached his pitch limit in the sixth inning, he had improved his season line to 37 strikeouts against 12 walks in 28 1/3 professional innings—good for an ERA of 1.91. And in the two starts Holt has used his new changeup, he has a K/BB rate of 17/4 in 12 1/3 innings, and an ERA of 0.73.

“His fastball just exploded tonight,” Brooklyn manager Edgar Alfonzo said after the game. “It’s too early to say he looks like Pelfrey, but with the pitches he has, that fastball at 94, 95, when he figures it out, he can pitch in the big leagues. He has a high ceiling.”

Holt seemed surprised that Pelfrey, and countless other pitchers, have had trouble throwing an effective changeup.

“I don’t have any problem locating it,” Holt, who expressed similar confidence with his slider, said. “I just need to gain a little confidence with it, and when to throw it. It opens up the doors for my other pitches.”

Mixed correctly, it should open doors for Holt as well.


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Re: Pelphrey or Joba?
« Reply #10 on: August 27, 2008, 10:17:58 AM »
I really got a LOL out of this. Oldred you are a character. Greg Maddux 300+ Wins....  Pelphrey not even 10 wins... I sure hope you're right though?



That's why I inserted the "question" marks & the smiley face fellas.. ;) ... and i'm basing it on something my father said to me a couple of weeks ago watching one of his starts. He said teams are going to load up with left-handed hitters against this kid. Like they used to do against Maddux for years. Before they finally figure out that pelfrey's sinker & tailing fastball are better suited to get out lefties than righthanded hitters. And that he is going to rack up ALOT of wins during that time. Plus, the kid is a "beast" - 6'7 and 235 lbs.. :o ... Take it easy guys. I'm not saying(nor was my dad) he is definitely going to be a 300+ game winner... but my pop  has seen them ALL - Gibson, Drysdale, Koufax, Marichal, Seaver, Guidry, Gooden, etc, etc, etc.... and he liked Pelfrey's "stuff" the first time he saw him & couldn't believe they sent him down last year. Yes, he wasn't "winning" games but he was NOT getting knocked around either. His biggest problem has been his "control"... which he seems to have finally fixed... heck i'll gladly take 200 wins & world series title before he's done instead.. 8) .. btw - to answer the question, i'll take MP over JC anyday... i really think that chamberlain is best suited for the pen & that is where the wankees should leave him.... peace!


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