Merry Christmas

Marcus was a great all around player, except for shooting.  Sure he cheated on defense a lot but he was still a better defender than Hazell.  That Hazell is some magical shooter (and the fact that he'll even get a sniff from the NBA) is a bit of a myth.  He's never shot over 36% from 3 in any season.  Yes he has games where either through a good streak, or through a huge number of shots, he goes off in total points but he's not a great defender, not a good passer/distributor, not especially quick, has an awful A/T ratio.   

They both play/played a ton of minutes and took a huge number of shots (though in my mind Marcus was more justified being that he was never a frosh/soph and never had teammates as good as Hazell's nor a PG on his team) and Hazell has a better 3PG shooting percentage but in every other category, statistical and otherwise, Hatten is/was Hazell's superior.  If Hatten had Hazell's height he would have been legendary.  Hazell's a very good college scorer and I wouldn't mind having him on STJ's right now but he's overrated in general especially by many of us here.  He's a longshot to get drafted and an even longer shot to ever make a roster.  Plus he has big ears.  ; )

Marcus was a great all around player, except for shooting.  Sure he cheated on defense a lot but he was still a better defender than Hazell.  That Hazell is some magical shooter (and the fact that he'll even get a sniff from the NBA) is a bit of a myth.  He's never shot over 36% from 3 in any season.  Yes he has games where either through a good streak, or through a huge number of shots, he goes off in total points but he's not a great defender, not a good passer/distributor, not especially quick, has an awful A/T ratio.   

They both play/played a ton of minutes and took a huge number of shots (though in my mind Marcus was more justified being that he was never a frosh/soph and never had teammates as good as Hazell's nor a PG on his team) and Hazell has a better 3PG shooting percentage but in every other category, statistical and otherwise, Hatten is/was Hazell's superior.  If Hatten had Hazell's height he would have been legendary.  Hazell's a very good college scorer and I wouldn't mind having him on STJ's right now but he's overrated in general especially by many of us here.  He's a longshot to get drafted and an even longer shot to ever make a roster.  Plus he has big ears.  ; )

In college I do not pay attention to shooting % as a lot of teams cater their offense around one player shooting a lot of shots. Hatten was Iverson lite and was vey enjoyable to watch. In fact Hatten probably makes my all time top 10 which considering I go back to the Mullin years or as DR Fun/GFAK or whatever he goes by here likes to call the "Glory Years" By praising Hazzell, I was not digging at Hatten, just pointing out that sometimes a team best player shoots a lot and contested which affects their percentage.
Low percentage or not Hazzell does have a nice jumper, plus he appears to be a legit 6-5 or whatever. I think Hazzell gets drafted!

BTW that Pope kid should take Free Throw lessons from Sean Evans!

Merry belated christmas to all. Was skiing in nh all weekend.  Nice to come back and see we won in a blow out.

Hazell has some things Marcus never did:  a true NBA position, an NBA outside shot, and good size.

Hazell is a horrible defender.  He doesn't put forth the effort, and it's a shame because that is the one thing that will keep him out of the NBA.  He had enough offense from day one of last season if he was a great defender. 

Hatten was even a better rebounder than Hazell. 

I'm not going to knocks Hazell's %'s this game (although 22% from three is weak) b/c shot 42% from two with that many shots is impressive. 

This game?  NBA outside shot? Hazell doesn't have an above average college outside shot.  He's shooting 29% from three for the season.  Take away the 6-11 he went against a VMI team that was encouraging him to shoot so they could run (I mean 134 points?  C'mon) and it's 27%.  If anyone on SJ's was shooting 27% from 3 after 11 games and still putting up 33 shots per game people would flip,not declare them NBA ready.  But yes he did shoot 36% from 3 last year.   Is that impressive?

He's a very good college player who has a scoring mentality/lack of conscience and yes, unlike Marcus, he's big enough to play the two at a (not necessarily the) next level but he's got a very long way to go before he's even an unsigned FA in an NBA camp.

How old will Hazzell be when he enters the draft? If he stays in college I think that would make him 24 or 25, he'll have a small window and maybe some NBA teams would rather take a chance on the younger kid

How old will Hazzell be when he enters the draft? If he stays in college I think that would make him 24 or 25, he'll have a small window and maybe some NBA teams would rather take a chance on the younger kid

Correct he is currently 23 years old.

WOW. ..  i have seen tons of threads go off in CRAZY directions but a Merry Christmas thread evolved into a Jeremey Hazel thread. I think this is quite an accomplishment.   

HA HA HA...  can't wait to see what happens to Happy New Year thread.

I hope everyone enjoyed a very Merry Christmas..!!