what is the magic number?

When I did my preseason projection, I picked 14 wins. At this point I had us at 9-5, so the team is pretty much on my pace. My question is if the team does win between 14-16 games, does that even get Norm fired?

IF this is the case, looking at it logically, how can it not warrent a firing. Especially since we added talent, everyone is a year older, and the bigeast isnt as top heavy with 8 great teams.  It is a clear step back.

That being said, no one knows with this administration and anything could happen.   

You really have to wonder what it would take.
How bad could we possibly be?

It's possible that Rutgers and Depaul could beat us.
Pittsburgh was "supposed" to struggle. Doesn't look like they are.

Cinci is still tough. So is Louisville.

If Norm doesn't turn this around, I think it's beyond the point of doubt on anyone's part. At least we didn't hear the injury excuse this time.

It's possible that this is just a classic underacheiving group that excels at times, and loses winable games often.

I think they'll go 18-20 and have 13-14 losses. They just aren't an organized group. There is no system for how they run. No one leads the break well.

Anything under 7 wins in the Big East.

Even now 8 & 10 is my goal.

Under 7 win and I will loose faith

we have never hit a magic number we wanted...we have never hit a postseason we wanted...we have never gotten a recruit we wanted...we have been embarrassed, we have been made fun of...and through it all, norm remains...so to answer your question, there is no number of wins...there is only a 150 yr old man with a great love for norm roberts

When I did my preseason projection, I picked 14 wins. At this point I had us at 9-5, so the team is pretty much on my pace. My question is if the team does win between 14-16 games, does that even get Norm fired?

i had 11-3...and the team is pretty much on pace....i would image no NIT, no norm...

My question is if the team does win between 14-16 games, does that even get Norm fired?

No.

Quote from: we are sju on January 05, 2010, 12:28:35 PM

My question is if the team does win between 14-16 games, does that even get Norm fired?

No.

Would be a very interesting Monasch / Francessa interview then.

IMO, COACH can win 6-8 conference games and he'll remain the coach at St. John's.  Whoop-de-doo!

In order, to keep me watching St. John's basketball for the 2010-2011 season (because I'm not watching anymore games for the duration of this season unless they are a game or two above .500)....  He has to win 9 or more conference games, this season.

Yep!  I will not watch another game unless we're a game or two over .500 and look to be showing progress.  If, Roberts is retained after this season after not winning 9 or more conference games....  Then, I'm done....  Period.

Quote from: carmineabbatiello on January 07, 2010, 12:23:12 AM

Quote from: we are sju on January 05, 2010, 12:28:35 PM

My question is if the team does win between 14-16 games, does that even get Norm fired?

No.

Would be a very interesting Monasch / Francessa interview then.

Francesca (2 weeks after the season) - oh yeah, college basketball!
Francesca: Q - so, you didn't make the tournament.  What are your expectations for next year?
Monasch: (Thankful Francesca doesn't remember one line from an interview a year ago), well, the NCAA Tournament is a reasonable expectation for next year...

It wouldn't be an interesting interview.  It'd be as uninformed and lame as the others.  Francesca isn't gleefully rubbing his hands together to talk St. John's basketball.

Quote from: we are sju on January 07, 2010, 09:07:55 AM

Quote from: carmineabbatiello on January 07, 2010, 12:23:12 AM

Quote from: we are sju on January 05, 2010, 12:28:35 PM

My question is if the team does win between 14-16 games, does that even get Norm fired?

No.

Would be a very interesting Monasch / Francessa interview then.

Francesca (2 weeks after the season) - oh yeah, college basketball!
Francesca: Q - so, you didn't make the tournament.  What are your expectations for next year?
Monasch: (Thankful Francesca doesn't remember one line from an interview a year ago), well, the NCAA Tournament is a reasonable expectation for next year...

It wouldn't be an interesting interview.  It'd be as uninformed and lame as the others.  Francesca isn't gleefully rubbing his hands together to talk St. John's basketball.

Normally I would agree with the assesment, but Mike did sort of, kind of coerce a statement from him of NCAA being a goal. If SJU loses early in BET and finishes the season with under 17 wins, I would think Francessa would rememeber last years interview. The more likely scenerio is Monasch refuses the interview.

As mentioned on Redmen by newsman13 and fun - there's no ultimatum in what Monasch said. Just an expectation.  I think Monasch might duck the interview in that scenario; but I don't think there's anything for Monasch to be "bound" by.

I'm interested in how this plays out, though. St. John's COULD win a number of games in the Big East this year.  There are teams that are good that will have off nights or won't fare well in a wrestling match against Sean Evans; I think the first week of BE play has been nice and won't tell the whole story.  Last year, with the exception of Georgetown's beating U Conn and then getting too drunk to play team ball, the league was kind of static.  There were the haves, the have nots, and Providence.  You could have called, with some accuracy, the finish in the league.

I don't know if you can do that this year.  Doesn't mean the Red Storm will get to 9-9, but it does mean there is talent parity.  Rutgers looks like kind of a tough out if they can figure out what to do without Echinique.  Unfortunately, St. John's doesn't have size to contend with... that game might be tougher than we'd originally think.

As mentioned on Redmen by newsman13 and fun - there's no ultimatum in what Monasch said. Just an expectation.  I think Monasch might duck the interview in that scenario; but I don't think there's anything for Monasch to be "bound" by.

I'm interested in how this plays out, though. St. John's COULD win a number of games in the Big East this year.  There are teams that are good that will have off nights or won't fare well in a wrestling match against Sean Evans; I think the first week of BE play has been nice and won't tell the whole story.  Last year, with the exception of Georgetown's beating U Conn and then getting too drunk to play team ball, the league was kind of static.  There were the haves, the have nots, and Providence.  You could have called, with some accuracy, the finish in the league.

I don't know if you can do that this year.  Doesn't mean the Red Storm will get to 9-9, but it does mean there is talent parity.  Rutgers looks like kind of a tough out if they can figure out what to do without Echinique.  Unfortunately, St. John's doesn't have size to contend with... that game might be tougher than we'd originally think.

Obviously this isn't wrestling and anything can happen, but the one constant in the Norm era is that he DOES NOT win BE road games. A loss at home by double digits to a supposed bottom dwellar like Providence does not bode well for our chances.
I am predicting 5 BE wins, one of which will be an upset of one of the BE ranked teams. That would leave us at 15 and 15 heading into the BET. 

Quote from: peter on January 07, 2010, 10:13:13 AM

Quote from: we are sju on January 07, 2010, 09:07:55 AM

Quote from: carmineabbatiello on January 07, 2010, 12:23:12 AM

Quote from: we are sju on January 05, 2010, 12:28:35 PM

My question is if the team does win between 14-16 games, does that even get Norm fired?

No.

Would be a very interesting Monasch / Francessa interview then.

Francesca (2 weeks after the season) - oh yeah, college basketball!
Francesca: Q - so, you didn't make the tournament.  What are your expectations for next year?
Monasch: (Thankful Francesca doesn't remember one line from an interview a year ago), well, the NCAA Tournament is a reasonable expectation for next year...

It wouldn't be an interesting interview.  It'd be as uninformed and lame as the others.  Francesca isn't gleefully rubbing his hands together to talk St. John's basketball.

Normally I would agree with the assesment, but Mike did sort of, kind of coerce a statement from him of NCAA being a goal. If SJU loses early in BET and finishes the season with under 17 wins, I would think Francessa would rememeber last years interview. The more likely scenerio is Monasch refuses the interview.

You're probably both right. If it goes badly this season, I'm curious, for his own survival, how much Chris "Beach Bum" Monasch tries to distance himself from Roberts.

As with another non-football, economically challenged, largely regional Catholic school (Providence), one would hope that the administration would give the large rising senior class an opportunity to have a chance at an NCAA Tournament appearance with a quality head coach in their final respective season.