Two bad losses...

Quote from: STJ11Redmen on December 30, 2010, 01:24:08 PM

Quote from: we are sju on December 30, 2010, 01:17:26 PM

Quote from: STJ11Redmen on December 30, 2010, 01:01:53 PM

Coker has a deadly midrange baseline jumper, but his percentages go down because he still struggles around the basket and is often too strong on his lay-ins and putbacks.

"Deadly"? Well I guess if a really old person or infant wandered on to the court and one of Coker's misses hit them just right it could kill

Im just curious if you have ever watched him shoot a jump shot.  He has such an uncharacteristically soft touch it's amazing to watch.  His shot floats to the hoop like a feather.  I think I've only seen him miss two jumpers in the last two years and they were both in the St. Bonaventure game.

While I wont claim to have seen all of the 93 shots he has missed these past 4 seasons in 167 attempts, I have seen enough. You people are crazy! Coker is not a good basketball player. Listen I just feel that since Burrell is finally starting to play as he did as  a frosh he should be rewarded. If Coker must play 5 to 10 minutes I guess it is better he does it at the beginning of each half to minimize the damage. I have been saying for 4 years now that Coker and Boothe are not good basketball players but some of you keep fooling yourselves. Keep waiting, but what you see is what you get. Listen I have been wrong once, maybe twice in the past. Case in point Brownlee.  I also never in a million years could have foreseen David Cain's senior year. Trust me on this though Coker is not good! I am sorry for those who may be of relation to him. But in the big picture being a terrible basketball player is not the worst thing.

Certain people value certain attributes in players.  I don't think anyone is saying we want Coker to take 10-15 shots a game.  But when comparing Evans to Coker's open 15 foot jump shot.....I want Coker taking it.  Purely based on the fact that he's made a few in his career.  Can't remember Evans ever making a jump shot.  With that said, Coker also brings a presence in the paint that Evans doesn't.  That is why I (and a few others) are happy with Coker taking over Evans PT.  A 3-1 record since Coker took over this role also supports Coker's new role. 

You also mention rewarding Burrell since he is playing better.  With what...a starting spot?  He's playing plenty of minutes....that is his reward!  In my opinion, who starts is irrelevant....it's all about minutes played.  And right now Coker, Burrell and Evans minutes are perfect.

Quote from: Dave on December 30, 2010, 12:24:09 PM

A: Evans is a terrible defender. Has no awareness off the ball
B: Evans hasn't played with energy all season. He is unwilling to accept his role
C: Evans put on weight and in my opinion is a little slower because of it. I like the extra beef to bang but I also thought one of Evans biggest assets was that he was strong and quick
D: Evans can't shoot anywhere outside of the paint. Defenses cheat on him all the time
E: Evans can't hit a free throw which is a liability

Coker on the other hand....

A: Is a good defender who can block shots. If he doesn't block shots he alters shots
B: Can shoot! Has a nice midrange game
C: Can make a freethrow
D: Underrated passer. He runs a nice high low with the other big man

Now Coker isn't flawless. His hands are surprisingly weak for a guy with his strength (I also think thats due to lack of playing time the more he touches the ball the better he'll get), he doesn't rebound particularly well, and he doesn't dunk the ball much like Evans.

Allow me to retort, Coker stinks!
That is all.


Oh alright I will give you some stats to backup Coker's stinkyness. He is shooting 33% from the field and is 0-3 from the line. Not sure where this myth got started that Coker has a nice shot, but I can only assume the same person who started the myths about the lock ness monster, big foot, Norm's recruiting ability and Modern Family being a funny show.
   http://espn.go.com/ncb/player/profile?playerId=36554

modern famliy is hilarious

A: Evans is a terrible defender. Has no awareness off the ball
B: Evans hasn't played with energy all season. He is unwilling to accept his role
C: Evans put on weight and in my opinion is a little slower because of it. I like the extra beef to bang but I also thought one of Evans biggest assets was that he was strong and quick
D: Evans can't shoot anywhere outside of the paint. Defenses cheat on him all the time
E: Evans can't hit a free throw which is a liability
F: Evans has unrealistic aspirations of being a tall PG ala Magic Johnson and Penny Hardaway

Coker on the other hand....

A: Is a good defender who can block shots. If he doesn't block shots he alters shots
B: Can shoot! Has a nice midrange game
C: Can make a freethrow
D: Underrated passer. He runs a nice high low with the other big man

Now Coker isn't flawless. His hands are surprisingly weak for a guy with his strength (I also think thats due to lack of playing time the more he touches the ball the better he'll get), he doesn't rebound particularly well, and he doesn't dunk the ball much like Evans.

I fixed it for you, Dave.

Quote from: Dave on December 29, 2010, 11:46:16 PM

I love Coker starting. He sets the tone defensively and the offensive focus is set on Brownlee, Hardy and DJ. This also keeps Burrell out of foul trouble early on allowing him to play 30 minutes.

Horne and Burrell change the game dynamically off the bench.

I agree with you though maybe those losses finally hit home and they bought into the system. I love that this team is attacking the basket, being patient on offense (methodical to quote Lavin), and they are playing with defensive awareness.

I agree about Coker, nearly every game that he has started he has gotten into the head of opposing players with his rough style of play, especially Cohen on Davidson.  Essentially he is our goon and I like it a lot. 

Hatchet men can be be useful (e.g., Phil Jackson on the Knicks, Jim Loscutoff on the Celtics) but Coker is more than a hatchet man.  He has a good touch on his midrange shot and a good foul shot. He also has (in the past)  been our best shot blocker and has developed good timing on it. He will be useful in BE competition.

I like the way Coker has improved a bit on defense, but where is this free throw touch I keep reading about?

He hasn't even made one this year.

Evans hasn't done anything well on the court this year. I don't believe he's scored a meaningful basket, or come up w one key defensive stop.

It's not like Coker is tearing it up, so Evans must really be out of it mentally to go from starting to the end of the bench.

I think playing coker is a great idea.  He is not a scorer, but he brings a defensive presence, intimidation almost.  I am not saying he is olujuwan on the defensive end but you need a bruiser.  Especially in a conference where your playing 18 tough games.  He is a good fit for certain situations. We are best when we can press and run but during a game that is not always going to happen.  He will bang inside and against certain teams in our conference his hard fouls will make the other team think twice about banging inside. For our offense we have enough scorers.  If you can get just a little from him whether it be a few scores and rebounds for the 10 min he plays he works fine in the offense.  The fact is, this team will go only as far as our guards/sf's play.  When they are on, we can win any game.  Let Coker be and let him keep doing his thing.  He will work hard underneath and I like that.