What to do in 2014

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What to do in 2014
« on: December 30, 2013, 10:11:29 AM »
As we wrap up another year we should reflect on what was and then plan what will be.  Last year at this time, SJU played in the Big East, the best college basketball conference in the world.  Sure, there were occasional rumblings about the football schools wanting more. Then seemingly in the blink of an eye, it is gone.  You’d think after 30 years +/-there would be some bonds that would be unbreakable. Nope. Football money wins!

So now a new Big East was created, focused on basketball, decidedly anti football.  Can a one sport conference survive? Can it survive as a basketball power?  As we begin 2014, how does one make the new Big East something as endearing as the old Big East?

Here are some ideas:

1)   A conference is all about sports.  What does the educational institution get from participating in a conference?  The member institutions basically get advertising.  The institution has its name broadcast for all to hear and read creating public awareness which should lead to name recognition and to more applicants.  Success on the field can imply institutional competency which I suppose might encourage better applicants, better job placement rates, institutional pride and more alumni donations etc. While a slick TV commercial, brochure or letter can accomplish some of the above, I have yet to see/hear any material as compelling as a win over a conference opponent.

The Big East has positioned itself as a basketball only conference. No football - ever.  Unfortunately, the basketball season occupies only three months of the media year.  Football occupies another three months and then the spring sports add another three months and then there are three months of summer where there is little in the way of collegiate sports.  That schedule implies the Big East schools are giving away six consecutive months (summer and football) of advertising opportunity, while many other institutions are ‘scoring’.  The fall is when high most high school seniors are applying to universities, and selecting their university.

In order to maintain the university and conference name awareness throughout the year, it seems logical to promote sports that would fill in the six non-basketball months.  In the fall, the easy answer is soccer.  Fortunately almost all of the current Big East schools have soccer teams.  Of course promoting soccer instead of football is going to be a tough sell to our media partners.

In the spring, it seems like baseball has been around for years and really not taken off as a big-time collegiate sport.  There is almost a sports vacuum in collegiate sports during the spring.  Lacrosse has exploded in recent years and is rapidly filling this vacuum.  Unfortunately, half of the current Big East schools don’t currently offer lacrosse.  The Conference should encourage and assist the inactive schools to develop lacrosse programs.  It takes a while to develop competitive programs and now is the time to get started.  As a temporary measure, the Conference should solicit ‘Lacrosse Only’ members.  Maybe a Hopkins, Stoneybrook, LaSalle, Denver.  I would be remiss if I did not mention that the ACC currently dominates this sport.

2)   The Big East conference should support the primary purpose of the member institutions, which is to educate.  Education includes not only, calculus and literature, it’s about new experiences.  New experiences include interacting with people from different backgrounds, trying new environments.  The member schools should develop an exchange program where students spend a semester at another in- conference institution.  Ride the subway, see the nation’s capital, see the ocean, and attend a county fair.  Every city in the conference has something unique to offer…capitalize on it.

The member institutions should reach out to conference members to build relationships while sharing resources, professors, programs etc.  Encourage and facilitate students from others schools to take courses not offered at their University.  Build a conference of universities where the focus is directed not only at competing on the field but also towards supporting the member’s educational effort.  Start building ties between the various alumni, administrations that hopefully will mean more than money.

3)   Adding schools to the conference could enhance the conference’s media appeal.  I would admit new schools only if they fit the conference profile: No football, private institution (sorry Uconn), national basketball program, competitive soccer, developing lacrosse program and geographically practical.

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Re: What to do in 2014
« Reply #1 on: December 30, 2013, 10:23:38 AM »


1)   A conference is all about sports.  What does the educational institution get from participating in a conference?  The member institutions basically get advertising.  The institution has its name broadcast for all to hear and read creating public awareness which should lead to name recognition and to more applicants.  Success on the field can imply institutional competency which I suppose might encourage better applicants, better job placement rates, institutional pride and more alumni donations etc.

"Students with lower-than-average SAT scores tended to have a stronger preference for schools known for athletic success"

http://www.forbes.com/sites/hbsworkingknowledge/2013/04/29/the-flutie-effect-how-athletic-success-boosts-college-applications/

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Re: What to do in 2014
« Reply #2 on: December 30, 2013, 10:37:17 AM »



3)   Adding schools to the conference could enhance the conference’s media appeal.  I would admit new schools only if they fit the conference profile: No football, private institution (sorry Uconn), national basketball program, competitive soccer, developing lacrosse program and geographically practical.


Who fits that profile..?

Also -  Soccer & Lacrosse means nothing for the schools. The sports that matter are the sports that are on TV regularly.

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Re: What to do in 2014
« Reply #3 on: December 30, 2013, 10:43:46 AM »



3)   Adding schools to the conference could enhance the conference’s media appeal.  I would admit new schools only if they fit the conference profile: No football, private institution (sorry Uconn), national basketball program, competitive soccer, developing lacrosse program and geographically practical.


Who fits that profile..?

Also -  Soccer & Lacrosse means nothing for the schools. The sports that matter are the sports that are on TV regularly.

Lacrosse is starting to pick up tv interest quite a bit.  It's not like college basketball, but will likely be right after that soon.  Lax final 4's are now drawing between 40,000-60,000 people.  It won't make any schools start adding it for tv dollars, but the potential is picking up every year.

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Re: What to do in 2014
« Reply #4 on: December 30, 2013, 04:05:15 PM »



3)   Adding schools to the conference could enhance the conference’s media appeal.  I would admit new schools only if they fit the conference profile: No football, private institution (sorry Uconn), national basketball program, competitive soccer, developing lacrosse program and geographically practical.


Who fits that profile..?

Also -  Soccer & Lacrosse means nothing for the schools. The sports that matter are the sports that are on TV regularly.

Lacrosse is starting to pick up tv interest quite a bit.  It's not like college basketball, but will likely be right after that soon.  Lax final 4's are now drawing between 40,000-60,000 people.  It won't make any schools start adding it for tv dollars, but the potential is picking up every year.

Not disagreeing that the sports popularity is growing but I would bet money that Lacrosse loses money at St. John's and at most Div I schools.

Re: What to do in 2014
« Reply #5 on: December 30, 2013, 07:50:04 PM »



3)   Adding schools to the conference could enhance the conference’s media appeal.  I would admit new schools only if they fit the conference profile: No football, private institution (sorry Uconn), national basketball program, competitive soccer, developing lacrosse program and geographically practical.


Who fits that profile..?

Also -  Soccer & Lacrosse means nothing for the schools. The sports that matter are the sports that are on TV regularly.

Lacrosse is starting to pick up tv interest quite a bit.  It's not like college basketball, but will likely be right after that soon.  Lax final 4's are now drawing between 40,000-60,000 people.  It won't make any schools start adding it for tv dollars, but the potential is picking up every year.

Not disagreeing that the sports popularity is growing but I would bet money that Lacrosse loses money at St. John's and at most Div I schools.

It probably has a positive impact on attracting a new network of boosters but I'd agree with you this isn't making money.
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Re: What to do in 2014
« Reply #6 on: December 30, 2013, 09:35:20 PM »



3)   Adding schools to the conference could enhance the conference’s media appeal.  I would admit new schools only if they fit the conference profile: No football, private institution (sorry Uconn), national basketball program, competitive soccer, developing lacrosse program and geographically practical.


Who fits that profile..?

Also -  Soccer & Lacrosse means nothing for the schools. The sports that matter are the sports that are on TV regularly.

Lacrosse is starting to pick up tv interest quite a bit.  It's not like college basketball, but will likely be right after that soon.  Lax final 4's are now drawing between 40,000-60,000 people.  It won't make any schools start adding it for tv dollars, but the potential is picking up every year.

Not disagreeing that the sports popularity is growing but I would bet money that Lacrosse loses money at St. John's and at most Div I schools.

It probably has a positive impact on attracting a new network of boosters but I'd agree with you this isn't making money.

Lacrosse is a very east coast sport. It is on TV but then again so is bowling. I bet bowling brings in more money. People will watch the BB CWS and soccer is slowly becoming more popular.
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« Reply #7 on: December 30, 2013, 09:44:00 PM »


In the spring, it seems like baseball has been around for years and really not taken off as a big-time collegiate sport.  There is almost a sports vacuum in collegiate sports during the spring.  Lacrosse has exploded in recent years and is rapidly filling this vacuum.  Unfortunately, half of the current Big East schools don’t currently offer lacrosse.  The Conference should encourage and assist the inactive schools to develop lacrosse programs.  It takes a while to develop competitive programs and now is the time to get started.  As a temporary measure, the Conference should solicit ‘Lacrosse Only’ members.  Maybe a Hopkins, Stoneybrook, LaSalle, Denver.  I would be remiss if I did not mention that the ACC currently dominates this sport.



I believe Denver is an associate member in the Big East for Lax this year.

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« Reply #8 on: December 30, 2013, 10:06:04 PM »


In the spring, it seems like baseball has been around for years and really not taken off as a big-time collegiate sport.  There is almost a sports vacuum in collegiate sports during the spring.  Lacrosse has exploded in recent years and is rapidly filling this vacuum.  Unfortunately, half of the current Big East schools don’t currently offer lacrosse.  The Conference should encourage and assist the inactive schools to develop lacrosse programs.  It takes a while to develop competitive programs and now is the time to get started.  As a temporary measure, the Conference should solicit ‘Lacrosse Only’ members.  Maybe a Hopkins, Stoneybrook, LaSalle, Denver.  I would be remiss if I did not mention that the ACC currently dominates this sport.



I believe Denver is an associate member in the Big East for Lax this year.

They are, and they are excellent.  They also get great attendance.  The Denver Outlaws pro lacrosse team is by far the best attended in the country surprisingly.  Lacrosse is no longer an east coast sport.  As it expands rapidly in popularity, it does bring more fans.  It will take some time for that to happen but I think it will be quite big eventually.  It doesn't bring in money now I sure.  P.s. The lax team is worth a look this season.  SJU is ranked preseason anywhere between 9th and 16th nationally and will be a major contender this season.  Great lacrosse being played at SJU these days.  Come a long way.

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Re: What to do in 2014
« Reply #9 on: December 31, 2013, 07:53:08 AM »
I don't believe SJU can continue to attract top 100 recruits basketball players as a one sport school while competing in a league of similar schools.  Over a few years, the lack of athletic revenues will allow the facilities to become second rate.  The new Big East  will require investment to remain athletically relevant.  Invest in soccer and lacrosse.  Let's not follow the path of the Patriot League and the Ivy League which have basically opted out of big time collegiate sports.

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Re: What to do in 2014
« Reply #10 on: December 31, 2013, 06:24:01 PM »
I don't believe SJU can continue to attract top 100 recruits basketball players as a one sport school while competing in a league of similar schools.  Over a few years, the lack of athletic revenues will allow the facilities to become second rate.  The new Big East  will require investment to remain athletically relevant.  Invest in soccer and lacrosse.  Let's not follow the path of the Patriot League and the Ivy League which have basically opted out of big time collegiate sports.

What makes SJU different from the other BE schools?
The same BE schools that as a conference as a whole have the 2nd most number of Top 100 players in 2014?
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