Zendon Hamilton

Quote from: goredmen on June 09, 2016, 01:57:47 PM

Quote from: TRabinowitz on June 09, 2016, 01:44:52 PM

I'm guessing he wasn't a volunteer if he was fired/laid off and I would bet that this is a cost-saving maneuver as they get ready to pay a buyout for Slice.

I don't really understand how the school is on the hook to pay a buyout to Slice when he's the one deciding to leave. Wouldn't the school only have to pay the buyout if he was fired?

He has a contract and if they don't want him around, they have to buy him out...

Ummmm    He doesn't want to be here, so if we told him good bye and he walked, then why would he be around here?

He wants to leave, so we have to buy him out? Doesn't make sense to me.
If we fired him then that's one thing, but he's the one that wants out.

Quote from: goredmen on June 09, 2016, 01:57:47 PM

Quote from: TRabinowitz on June 09, 2016, 01:44:52 PM

I'm guessing he wasn't a volunteer if he was fired/laid off and I would bet that this is a cost-saving maneuver as they get ready to pay a buyout for Slice.

I don't really understand how the school is on the hook to pay a buyout to Slice when he's the one deciding to leave. Wouldn't the school only have to pay the buyout if he was fired?

He has a contract and if they don't want him around, they have to buy him out...

Isn't he the one initiating the ending of that contract? I'm not in the loop but I haven't read anything suggesting that he's being asked to leave

Quote from: pmg911 on June 09, 2016, 03:37:54 PM

Quote from: goredmen on June 09, 2016, 01:57:47 PM

Quote from: TRabinowitz on June 09, 2016, 01:44:52 PM

I'm guessing he wasn't a volunteer if he was fired/laid off and I would bet that this is a cost-saving maneuver as they get ready to pay a buyout for Slice.

I don't really understand how the school is on the hook to pay a buyout to Slice when he's the one deciding to leave. Wouldn't the school only have to pay the buyout if he was fired?

He has a contract and if they don't want him around, they have to buy him out...

Ummmm    He doesn't want to be here, so if we told him good bye and he walked, then why would he be around here?

He wants to leave, so we have to buy him out? Doesn't make sense to me.
If we fired him then that's one thing, but he's the one that wants out.

Slice had differences with his boss, who I surmise in time wanted him gone. If Slice did not resign, they have to pay him to move him out, as per his contract. Just my read.

Quote from: Marco Baldi on June 09, 2016, 10:35:25 AM

Only at St John's can a volunteer get canned

Maybe Mullin and Zendon conversation went something like below?
KRAMER

What did you want to see me about, Mr. Leland?

LELAND

Kramer, I've.. been reviewing your work.. Quite frankly, it stinks.

KRAMER

Well, I ah.. been havin' trouble at home and uh.. I mean, ah, you know, I'll work harder, nights, weekends, whatever it takes..

LELAND

No, no, I don't think that's going to, do it, uh. These reports you handed in. It's almost as if you have no business training at all..

I don't know what this is supposed to be!

KRAMER

Well, I'm uh, just--tryin' to get ahead..

LELAND

Well, I'm sorry. There's just no way that we could keep you on.

KRAMER

I don't even really work here!

LELAND

That's what makes this so difficult.

LOL

Quote from: mullin85berry86 on June 09, 2016, 03:50:49 PM

Quote from: pmg911 on June 09, 2016, 03:37:54 PM

Quote from: goredmen on June 09, 2016, 01:57:47 PM

Quote from: TRabinowitz on June 09, 2016, 01:44:52 PM

I'm guessing he wasn't a volunteer if he was fired/laid off and I would bet that this is a cost-saving maneuver as they get ready to pay a buyout for Slice.

I don't really understand how the school is on the hook to pay a buyout to Slice when he's the one deciding to leave. Wouldn't the school only have to pay the buyout if he was fired?

He has a contract and if they don't want him around, they have to buy him out...

Ummmm    He doesn't want to be here, so if we told him good bye and he walked, then why would he be around here?

He wants to leave, so we have to buy him out? Doesn't make sense to me.
If we fired him then that's one thing, but he's the one that wants out.

Slice had differences with his boss, who I surmise in time wanted him gone. If Slice did not resign, they have to pay him to move him out, as per his contract. Just my read.

Buyouts are almost always negotiated down, especially if said employee mitigates his losses by getting gainful employment elsewhere.   
Could SJU have to pay Slice?   Sure.   
But it won't be sticker price.    Everybody will move on.

Quote from: paultzman on June 09, 2016, 04:08:00 PM

Quote from: mullin85berry86 on June 09, 2016, 03:50:49 PM

Quote from: pmg911 on June 09, 2016, 03:37:54 PM

Quote from: goredmen on June 09, 2016, 01:57:47 PM

Quote from: TRabinowitz on June 09, 2016, 01:44:52 PM

I'm guessing he wasn't a volunteer if he was fired/laid off and I would bet that this is a cost-saving maneuver as they get ready to pay a buyout for Slice.

I don't really understand how the school is on the hook to pay a buyout to Slice when he's the one deciding to leave. Wouldn't the school only have to pay the buyout if he was fired?

He has a contract and if they don't want him around, they have to buy him out...

Ummmm    He doesn't want to be here, so if we told him good bye and he walked, then why would he be around here?

He wants to leave, so we have to buy him out? Doesn't make sense to me.
If we fired him then that's one thing, but he's the one that wants out.

Slice had differences with his boss, who I surmise in time wanted him gone. If Slice did not resign, they have to pay him to move him out, as per his contract. Just my read.

Buyouts are almost always negotiated down, especially if said employee mitigates his losses by getting gainful employment elsewhere.   
Could SJU have to pay Slice?   Sure.   
But it won't be sticker price.    Everybody will move on.

Agree

Two coaches getting clipped after one season? How many SJU coaches were running the Elite Camp? Mullin, Matt and Mitch?

The first, Slice,  is arguably a top 5 recruiter in the Game. The second, Zendon, an alum with NBA experience getting whacked over the phone. This is one effed up program.

Quote from: pmg911 on June 09, 2016, 03:37:54 PM

Quote from: goredmen on June 09, 2016, 01:57:47 PM

Quote from: TRabinowitz on June 09, 2016, 01:44:52 PM

I'm guessing he wasn't a volunteer if he was fired/laid off and I would bet that this is a cost-saving maneuver as they get ready to pay a buyout for Slice.

I don't really understand how the school is on the hook to pay a buyout to Slice when he's the one deciding to leave. Wouldn't the school only have to pay the buyout if he was fired?

He has a contract and if they don't want him around, they have to buy him out...

Ummmm    He doesn't want to be here, so if we told him good bye and he walked, then why would he be around here?

He wants to leave, so we have to buy him out? Doesn't make sense to me.
If we fired him then that's one thing, but he's the one that wants out.

The only way the school would even entertain a buyout is if they want Slice gone. If he left of his own volition, the school would not be on the hook for anything barring a strange clause to the contrary. It's likely worth 1/4th of what he has remaining on his deal to just be rid of him instead of retaining a malcontent. It essentially tells us there is mutuality.

If Zendon wants to be a coach then the "Vol" role should be for a short period to get some experience and then move on to an AC job or a HS head job.  A Vol is not a lifetime position but a transition.