Possible Ponds Wrist Injury

Hey, Shamorie sits in a comparative set with guys like Steph, Kemba, CJ McCollum, etc...  First thing is success for those types is few and far between and Shamorie still has a ways to go to get to their heights.  And you definitely have to overachieve if you are that body type, especially in today's NBA.  But it happens.  Took all those guys a few years to prove to scouts that they could compete and hold up despite their size so I'm not crazy worried about Shamorie leaving this year. 

And re Mo Harkless's value, well first he's had a better career than at least 6 of the 14 guys drafted ahead of him.  Lottery picks bust all the time, Mo hasn't, so define value.   I'll readily admit that up to right before the draft I didn't think he would be a lottery pick so I criticized the decision but the process proved me wrong, and Marillac right.  PS it wasn't an especially strong draft either so that's something to take into account.  But you don't get paid less as the 10th pick in a crap draft than someone getting picked 10th in a loaded draft.  Getting picked in the lottery set's up a smart man for life regardless of if you play up to expectations or not.  So as far as Shamorie's decision goes, and Mo's before him, it's not about what happens after you get drafted as much as it is about where you get drafted.  If/when you have a chance to go in the lottery you go.

Agreed. Also, if it hasn't been clear over the last two years already, I have never been higher on an SJU player than I am with Ponds. This far exceeds my love of Harrison -- who I always argued lacked the physical ability to even sniff the NBA in spite of his college potential.

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Hey, Shamorie sits in a comparative set with guys like Steph, Kemba, CJ McCollum, etc...  First thing is success for those types is few and far between and Shamorie still has a ways to go to get to their heights.  And you definitely have to overachieve if you are that body type, especially in today's NBA.  But it happens.  Took all those guys a few years to prove to scouts that they could compete and hold up despite their size so I'm not crazy worried about Shamorie leaving this year. 

And re Mo Harkless's value, well first he's had a better career than at least 6 of the 14 guys drafted ahead of him.  Lottery picks bust all the time, Mo hasn't, so define value.   I'll readily admit that up to right before the draft I didn't think he would be a lottery pick so I criticized the decision but the process proved me wrong, and Marillac right.  PS it wasn't an especially strong draft either so that's something to take into account.  But you don't get paid less as the 10th pick in a crap draft than someone getting picked 10th in a loaded draft.  Getting picked in the lottery set's up a smart man for life regardless of if you play up to expectations or not.  So as far as Shamorie's decision goes, and Mo's before him, it's not about what happens after you get drafted as much as it is about where you get drafted.  If/when you have a chance to go in the lottery you go.

Agreed. Also, if it hasn't been clear over the last two years already, I have never been higher on an SJU player than I am with Ponds. This far exceeds my love of Harrison -- who I always argued lacked the physical ability to even sniff the NBA in spite of his college potential.

Is he better than Malik Stith? He was the last player you were this high on.

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Quote from: austour on November 09, 2017, 03:16:45 PM

Hey, Shamorie sits in a comparative set with guys like Steph, Kemba, CJ McCollum, etc...  First thing is success for those types is few and far between and Shamorie still has a ways to go to get to their heights.  And you definitely have to overachieve if you are that body type, especially in today's NBA.  But it happens.  Took all those guys a few years to prove to scouts that they could compete and hold up despite their size so I'm not crazy worried about Shamorie leaving this year. 

And re Mo Harkless's value, well first he's had a better career than at least 6 of the 14 guys drafted ahead of him.  Lottery picks bust all the time, Mo hasn't, so define value.   I'll readily admit that up to right before the draft I didn't think he would be a lottery pick so I criticized the decision but the process proved me wrong, and Marillac right.  PS it wasn't an especially strong draft either so that's something to take into account.  But you don't get paid less as the 10th pick in a crap draft than someone getting picked 10th in a loaded draft.  Getting picked in the lottery set's up a smart man for life regardless of if you play up to expectations or not.  So as far as Shamorie's decision goes, and Mo's before him, it's not about what happens after you get drafted as much as it is about where you get drafted.  If/when you have a chance to go in the lottery you go.

Agreed. Also, if it hasn't been clear over the last two years already, I have never been higher on an SJU player than I am with Ponds. This far exceeds my love of Harrison -- who I always argued lacked the physical ability to even sniff the NBA in spite of his college potential.

Is he better than Malik Stith? He was the last player you were this high on.

I was never high on him as a talent. I was hoping be could have been good leader and steadying force for the great recruiting class, but he wasn't.  I also wasn't aware that Lavin was a liar yet and believed his "navy seal" bs 100%.

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Quote from: austour on November 09, 2017, 03:16:45 PM

Hey, Shamorie sits in a comparative set with guys like Steph, Kemba, CJ McCollum, etc...  First thing is success for those types is few and far between and Shamorie still has a ways to go to get to their heights.  And you definitely have to overachieve if you are that body type, especially in today's NBA.  But it happens.  Took all those guys a few years to prove to scouts that they could compete and hold up despite their size so I'm not crazy worried about Shamorie leaving this year. 

And re Mo Harkless's value, well first he's had a better career than at least 6 of the 14 guys drafted ahead of him.  Lottery picks bust all the time, Mo hasn't, so define value.   I'll readily admit that up to right before the draft I didn't think he would be a lottery pick so I criticized the decision but the process proved me wrong, and Marillac right.  PS it wasn't an especially strong draft either so that's something to take into account.  But you don't get paid less as the 10th pick in a crap draft than someone getting picked 10th in a loaded draft.  Getting picked in the lottery set's up a smart man for life regardless of if you play up to expectations or not.  So as far as Shamorie's decision goes, and Mo's before him, it's not about what happens after you get drafted as much as it is about where you get drafted.  If/when you have a chance to go in the lottery you go.

Agreed. Also, if it hasn't been clear over the last two years already, I have never been higher on an SJU player than I am with Ponds. This far exceeds my love of Harrison -- who I always argued lacked the physical ability to even sniff the NBA in spite of his college potential.

Is he better than Malik Stith? He was the last player you were this high on.

I was never high on him as a talent. I was hoping be could have been good leader and steadying force for the great recruiting class, but he wasn't.  I also wasn't aware that Lavin was a liar yet and believed his "navy seal" bs 100%.

That's a cop out, per using Lavin as your excuse.  I recall you and I went back and forth on Stith, and I told you (in so many words), Stith was an average player and would never play at a high level (regardless, what Lavin said).

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He's light years better than anyone else we have.

+1

He's not light years better than Love it.

Lovett is probably closest, but Ponds can be a top 5 guard in the country this year. He should be considered a near lottery pick.

Ponds is very very good, but this is complete lunacy

I get that often. Remember who called Harkless a loterry pick months before anyone else.

Actually I don't

Before playing a college game or scrimmage, I wrote "With his jumper and versatility Moe looks like a lock for the lottery if he is in fact 6'8.5." A poster responded:  "Lottery after one year = ridiculous."

Shamorie Ponds is a first round pick and a future NBA caliber PG, and I've hesitated to disclose  that publicly for over a year, while alluding to it.

Congratulations, one NBA team was as wrong as you were about Mo. Has he played like a lottery pick? I think not.

Lol Moe Harkless is a starter on an NBA playoff team. Yes, he's lived up to his draft position.

Glad you are laughing. I didn't say he wasn't an NBA player but if you think averaging 7 and 4 in your seventh NBA season is good value for a lottery pick you would make a terrible NBA GM. I get it he's an ex-Johnnie so he is the greatest thing since sliced bread.

If Moe Harkless was put into this years NBA draft he'd go around 15-20

You guys do know Moe Harkless was not a lottery pick right?

You guys do know Moe Harkless was not a lottery pick right?

LOL Good point! You just ruined a good argument. Just outside the lottery.

There are a good amount of busts that are taken in the top 15ish picks every year. I think most GM's would be happy having taken Mo knowing the early career that he has had so far.

Not to mention, look at who was taken after him in that draft. Only Jae Crowder and Draymond Green have been better.

Line is off tonight. Is ponds playing?

You guys do know Moe Harkless was not a lottery pick right?

I was just responding to the claim that a dude getting around 30 minutes per game, starting for a playoff team, somehow wasn't worth the 15th overall pick. If you redrafted that draft he might even go higher.

Line is off tonight. Is ponds playing?

Don't think there would be a line on this game regardless

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Line is off tonight. Is ponds playing?

Don't think there would be a line on this game regardless

The post has it listed as off. If their was no line, they wouldn’t list the game .

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Quote from: TONYD3 on November 10, 2017, 11:49:54 AM

Line is off tonight. Is ponds playing?

Don't think there would be a line on this game regardless

The post has it listed as off. If their was no line, they wouldn’t list the game .

I am the most degenerate of degenerate gamblers and I haven't seen this game listed on any online sportsbook, not even as OFF