Full schedule released

Any other season ticket holders abhorred by the price increase this year. 5 freaking MSG games. My CA tickets are worthless if I can't go, what a joke.

Any other season ticket holders abhorred by the price increase this year. 5 freaking MSG games. My CA tickets are worthless if I can't go, what a joke.

Anyone else worried about msg eventually telling us to f off?  How many games will cuse play at the garden this year?  Wanna bet if they play 3 they draw as much as we do in our 5?

Since the dismantling of the old big east there’s a major drop in attendance from opposing fans.

We can’t rely on UConn, CUSE, ND, heck even LOuisville, all who traveled well.

Xavier, Creighton, Butler....  they ain’t pulling the same numbers. 

Since the dismantling of the old big east there’s a major drop in attendance from opposing fans.

We can’t rely on UConn, CUSE, ND, heck even LOuisville, all who traveled well.

Xavier, Creighton, Butler....  they ain’t pulling the same numbers. 

Absolutely.  Which is why we should have a series with 2 of the 4 of Cuse, Duke, ND and UConn every year.  That would give us 6 MSG games per season and boost strength of schedule at the same time.  The schedule this year is for shit.

Local Schedule Highlights:

--Subway trips to BK Thanksgiving week.

--The best game of the year is arguably Marquette in Queens on New Years Night. Hopefully our record is nearly flawless and CA will be rocking. Shades of the holiday week crowd for Providence last year in Queens, but that was the beginning of the end.

--Saturday night in Newark 12/29- another easy commute for Holiday Week.

--Nova in the Garden Sunday night 2/17 with President's Day off.

--Hall in the Garden Saturday Night primetime 2/23.

--X in Queens in late February could be a high stakes CA game as well.

I too am a season ticket holder and I understand why so many people are upset with the OOC and home slate, but I get the program's strategy right now. They need to win now. They put the Midwest teams in Queens and will get the traditional old school Big East crowds in the limited Garden games that we have. Win and they're close to sell outs.

Win this season and we get those marquee games (Duke/ND/UConn/Cuse) back in the Garden next year. Until then let's pray Heron gets cleared, do well in the Fall Signing Period and then finally take care of business. Get me to 11/5!!!

Not a bad post Quan but in this day and age no one is fooled strictly by won loss record when they know your non conference wins are against a weak schedule. bama got in last year at 18-15 because of a tough schedule.

Not a bad post Quan but in this day and age no one is fooled strictly by won loss record when they know your non conference wins are against a weak schedule. bama got in last year at 18-15 because of a tough schedule.

We are playing @Rutgers and @#2 Duke. We are playing Ga Tech on a neutral court in Miami and two neutral court games in Brooklyn against PAC-12 Cal and VCU or Temple. This notion that our OOC is weak or that we will suffer in the SOS and RPI is off base.

This team needs wins first and foremost. SJU never lacks in RPI or SOS when they are anywhere near the bubble.

Quote from: Celtics11 on September 13, 2018, 11:45:57 PM

Not a bad post Quan but in this day and age no one is fooled strictly by won loss record when they know your non conference wins are against a weak schedule. bama got in last year at 18-15 because of a tough schedule.

We are playing @Rutgers and @#2 Duke. We are playing Ga Tech on a neutral court in Miami and two neutral court games in Brooklyn against PAC-12 Cal and VCU or Temple. This notion that our OOC is weak or that we will suffer in the SOS and RPI is off base.

This team needs wins first and foremost. SJU never lacks in RPI or SOS when they are anywhere near the bubble.

I didn't know it was possible to look at our OOC schedule and think it's anything but absolutely terrible. The fact that Rutgers or Temple is our 2nd best OOC game is a disaster.  Look at the schedules of the other BE teams other than DePaul and Gtown and compare them to ours. It's a HUGE difference.

Marquette: At Indiana, vs Kansas, vs Louisville/Tennessee, vs Kansas State, vs Wisconsin, vs Buffalo. That's 6 games tougher than our 2nd toughest game.

Xavier: vs Wisconsin, 3 Maui games, at Cincinnati, at Missouri. Also 6 games tougher than our 2nd toughest

SHU: at Nebraska, at Saint Louis, 2 of their Wooden Legacy games will be vs good teams, vs Louisville, vs Kentucky, at Maryland. Thats 7 games tougher than our 2nd toughest,

Providence: vs Wichita, vs South Carolina, vs Michigan/GW, vs Rhode Island, at Boston College, at Texas. 6 games tougher than our 2nd toughest

Creighton: vs Ohio State, 2 of their Cayman Islands games > Rutgers, vs Gonzaga, at Nebraska, vs Oklahoma. 6 games tougher than our 2nd toughest.

Weak isn't the word to describe our OOC schedule. It's atrocious.

Fact is there is exactly 0 margin for our in OOC because of how weak it is. If we are not undefeated heading into our 12/29 game vs SHU a 10-8 conference record will not get us in the tournament if we lose to Duke and go 1-1 in the BET

Quote from: Marillac on September 14, 2018, 12:25:15 PM

Quote from: Celtics11 on September 13, 2018, 11:45:57 PM

Not a bad post Quan but in this day and age no one is fooled strictly by won loss record when they know your non conference wins are against a weak schedule. bama got in last year at 18-15 because of a tough schedule.

We are playing @Rutgers and @#2 Duke. We are playing Ga Tech on a neutral court in Miami and two neutral court games in Brooklyn against PAC-12 Cal and VCU or Temple. This notion that our OOC is weak or that we will suffer in the SOS and RPI is off base.

This team needs wins first and foremost. SJU never lacks in RPI or SOS when they are anywhere near the bubble.

I didn't know it was possible to look at our OOC schedule and think it's anything but absolutely terrible. The fact that Rutgers or Temple is our 2nd best OOC game is a disaster.  Look at the schedules of the other BE teams other than DePaul and Gtown and compare them to ours. It's a HUGE difference.

Marquette: At Indiana, vs Kansas, vs Louisville/Tennessee, vs Kansas State, vs Wisconsin, vs Buffalo. That's 6 games tougher than our 2nd toughest game.

Xavier: vs Wisconsin, 3 Maui games, at Cincinnati, at Missouri. Also 6 games tougher than our 2nd toughest

SHU: at Nebraska, at Saint Louis, 2 of their Wooden Legacy games will be vs good teams, vs Louisville, vs Kentucky, at Maryland. Thats 7 games tougher than our 2nd toughest,

Providence: vs Wichita, vs South Carolina, vs Michigan/GW, vs Rhode Island, at Boston College, at Texas. 6 games tougher than our 2nd toughest

Creighton: vs Ohio State, 2 of their Cayman Islands games > Rutgers, vs Gonzaga, at Nebraska, vs Oklahoma. 6 games tougher than our 2nd toughest.

Weak isn't the word to describe our OOC schedule. It's atrocious.

Fact is there is exactly 0 margin for our in OOC because of how weak it is. If we are not undefeated heading into our 12/29 game vs SHU a 10-8 conference record will not get us in the tournament if we lose to Duke and go 1-1 in the BET

It comes down to math not opponent name or prior year's performance. We heard the same complaints prior to last year and we had a top ten SOS and could have been top three if we were better (and losses to us didn't destroy opposing teams). Cal, Ga Tech and Temple/VCU are the teams you want to play on neutral courts. That is likely one tier one opponent (1-50 on neutral court) and a pair of tier two opponents (51-100 on neutral court). @Rutgers is almost certainly a tier 2 game (76-135 on the road). Duke is obvious a high tier 1.

Someone knows what they are doing in this area--which I'll admit is very un-St. John's. We play away from home as mich as anyone and that's not easy to do.

Quote from: goredmen on September 14, 2018, 02:53:29 PM

Quote from: Marillac on September 14, 2018, 12:25:15 PM

Quote from: Celtics11 on September 13, 2018, 11:45:57 PM

Not a bad post Quan but in this day and age no one is fooled strictly by won loss record when they know your non conference wins are against a weak schedule. bama got in last year at 18-15 because of a tough schedule.

We are playing @Rutgers and @#2 Duke. We are playing Ga Tech on a neutral court in Miami and two neutral court games in Brooklyn against PAC-12 Cal and VCU or Temple. This notion that our OOC is weak or that we will suffer in the SOS and RPI is off base.

This team needs wins first and foremost. SJU never lacks in RPI or SOS when they are anywhere near the bubble.

I didn't know it was possible to look at our OOC schedule and think it's anything but absolutely terrible. The fact that Rutgers or Temple is our 2nd best OOC game is a disaster.  Look at the schedules of the other BE teams other than DePaul and Gtown and compare them to ours. It's a HUGE difference.

Marquette: At Indiana, vs Kansas, vs Louisville/Tennessee, vs Kansas State, vs Wisconsin, vs Buffalo. That's 6 games tougher than our 2nd toughest game.

Xavier: vs Wisconsin, 3 Maui games, at Cincinnati, at Missouri. Also 6 games tougher than our 2nd toughest

SHU: at Nebraska, at Saint Louis, 2 of their Wooden Legacy games will be vs good teams, vs Louisville, vs Kentucky, at Maryland. Thats 7 games tougher than our 2nd toughest,

Providence: vs Wichita, vs South Carolina, vs Michigan/GW, vs Rhode Island, at Boston College, at Texas. 6 games tougher than our 2nd toughest

Creighton: vs Ohio State, 2 of their Cayman Islands games > Rutgers, vs Gonzaga, at Nebraska, vs Oklahoma. 6 games tougher than our 2nd toughest.

Weak isn't the word to describe our OOC schedule. It's atrocious.

Fact is there is exactly 0 margin for our in OOC because of how weak it is. If we are not undefeated heading into our 12/29 game vs SHU a 10-8 conference record will not get us in the tournament if we lose to Duke and go 1-1 in the BET

It comes down to math not opponent name or prior year's performance. We heard the same complaints prior to last year and we had a top ten SOS and could have been top three if we were better (and losses to us didn't destroy opposing teams). Cal, Ga Tech and Temple/VCU are the teams you want to play on neutral courts. That is likely one tier one opponent (1-50 on neutral court) and a pair of tier two opponents (51-100 on neutral court). @Rutgers is almost certainly a tier 2 game (76-135 on the road). Duke is obvious a high tier 1.

Someone knows what they are doing in this area--which I'll admit is very un-St. John's. We play away from home as mich as anyone and that's not easy to do.

GREAT post. The thing is Marillac the margin of error is so thin. The RAC has been a house of horrors for us, that November 16th game is critical, as are the neutral site games in Brooklyn and Miami. If we have a losing record or are 2-2 (@Rutgers, neutral Cal or VCU/Temple and neutral GTech) we have some serious ground to make up in the BE schedule. Also, a unforeseen upset in the Carnesecca OOC schedule would be catastrophic for us.

Quote from: Marillac on September 15, 2018, 12:41:40 PM

Quote from: goredmen on September 14, 2018, 02:53:29 PM

Quote from: Marillac on September 14, 2018, 12:25:15 PM

Quote from: Celtics11 on September 13, 2018, 11:45:57 PM

Not a bad post Quan but in this day and age no one is fooled strictly by won loss record when they know your non conference wins are against a weak schedule. bama got in last year at 18-15 because of a tough schedule.

We are playing @Rutgers and @#2 Duke. We are playing Ga Tech on a neutral court in Miami and two neutral court games in Brooklyn against PAC-12 Cal and VCU or Temple. This notion that our OOC is weak or that we will suffer in the SOS and RPI is off base.

This team needs wins first and foremost. SJU never lacks in RPI or SOS when they are anywhere near the bubble.

I didn't know it was possible to look at our OOC schedule and think it's anything but absolutely terrible. The fact that Rutgers or Temple is our 2nd best OOC game is a disaster.  Look at the schedules of the other BE teams other than DePaul and Gtown and compare them to ours. It's a HUGE difference.

Marquette: At Indiana, vs Kansas, vs Louisville/Tennessee, vs Kansas State, vs Wisconsin, vs Buffalo. That's 6 games tougher than our 2nd toughest game.

Xavier: vs Wisconsin, 3 Maui games, at Cincinnati, at Missouri. Also 6 games tougher than our 2nd toughest

SHU: at Nebraska, at Saint Louis, 2 of their Wooden Legacy games will be vs good teams, vs Louisville, vs Kentucky, at Maryland. Thats 7 games tougher than our 2nd toughest,

Providence: vs Wichita, vs South Carolina, vs Michigan/GW, vs Rhode Island, at Boston College, at Texas. 6 games tougher than our 2nd toughest

Creighton: vs Ohio State, 2 of their Cayman Islands games > Rutgers, vs Gonzaga, at Nebraska, vs Oklahoma. 6 games tougher than our 2nd toughest.

Weak isn't the word to describe our OOC schedule. It's atrocious.

Fact is there is exactly 0 margin for our in OOC because of how weak it is. If we are not undefeated heading into our 12/29 game vs SHU a 10-8 conference record will not get us in the tournament if we lose to Duke and go 1-1 in the BET

It comes down to math not opponent name or prior year's performance. We heard the same complaints prior to last year and we had a top ten SOS and could have been top three if we were better (and losses to us didn't destroy opposing teams). Cal, Ga Tech and Temple/VCU are the teams you want to play on neutral courts. That is likely one tier one opponent (1-50 on neutral court) and a pair of tier two opponents (51-100 on neutral court). @Rutgers is almost certainly a tier 2 game (76-135 on the road). Duke is obvious a high tier 1.

Someone knows what they are doing in this area--which I'll admit is very un-St. John's. We play away from home as mich as anyone and that's not easy to do.

GREAT post. The thing is Marillac the margin of error is so thin. The RAC has been a house of horrors for us, that November 16th game is critical, as are the neutral site games in Brooklyn and Miami. If we have a losing record or are 2-2 (@Rutgers, neutral Cal or VCU/Temple and neutral GTech) we have some serious ground to make up in the BE schedule. Also, a unforeseen upset in the Carnesecca OOC schedule would be catastrophic for us.

I fully agree the margin of error is very thin. 10-8 in conference while playing a top 5 program like Nova twice is a tall task.

Temple had an RPI of 52 last year and will be competing for the NCAA tournament his year--that is a tier 1 win on a neutral court. Temple beat Auburn and Clemson on neutral courts as well as Wisconsin in the OOC last year. VCU was 18-15 as well.

It's unlikely Ga Tech and Cal will be as bad as they were last year. Princeton is never a walk in the park. And @Duke has to be written down as a loss.

Where are these wins coming from that the "weak schedule" people are willing to sacrifice for a stronger SOS?

Where are these wins coming from that the "weak schedule" people are willing to sacrifice for a stronger SOS?

The fact is that if we lose games to shitty schools we don't deserve to make the tournament anyway. I don't know anything about the tournament selection process, but it's hard to imagine where losing to good teams is better than beating bad teams. If that were the case we could schedule Duke, Kentucky, Kansas, Virginia, NC and Michigan State and four cupcakes and be 4-6 in the preseason, go .500 in conference and end up a 4 seed.

Quote from: goredmen on September 14, 2018, 02:53:29 PM

Quote from: Marillac on September 14, 2018, 12:25:15 PM

Quote from: Celtics11 on September 13, 2018, 11:45:57 PM

Not a bad post Quan but in this day and age no one is fooled strictly by won loss record when they know your non conference wins are against a weak schedule. bama got in last year at 18-15 because of a tough schedule.

We are playing @Rutgers and @#2 Duke. We are playing Ga Tech on a neutral court in Miami and two neutral court games in Brooklyn against PAC-12 Cal and VCU or Temple. This notion that our OOC is weak or that we will suffer in the SOS and RPI is off base.

This team needs wins first and foremost. SJU never lacks in RPI or SOS when they are anywhere near the bubble.

I didn't know it was possible to look at our OOC schedule and think it's anything but absolutely terrible. The fact that Rutgers or Temple is our 2nd best OOC game is a disaster.  Look at the schedules of the other BE teams other than DePaul and Gtown and compare them to ours. It's a HUGE difference.

Marquette: At Indiana, vs Kansas, vs Louisville/Tennessee, vs Kansas State, vs Wisconsin, vs Buffalo. That's 6 games tougher than our 2nd toughest game.

Xavier: vs Wisconsin, 3 Maui games, at Cincinnati, at Missouri. Also 6 games tougher than our 2nd toughest

SHU: at Nebraska, at Saint Louis, 2 of their Wooden Legacy games will be vs good teams, vs Louisville, vs Kentucky, at Maryland. Thats 7 games tougher than our 2nd toughest,

Providence: vs Wichita, vs South Carolina, vs Michigan/GW, vs Rhode Island, at Boston College, at Texas. 6 games tougher than our 2nd toughest

Creighton: vs Ohio State, 2 of their Cayman Islands games > Rutgers, vs Gonzaga, at Nebraska, vs Oklahoma. 6 games tougher than our 2nd toughest.

Weak isn't the word to describe our OOC schedule. It's atrocious.

Fact is there is exactly 0 margin for our in OOC because of how weak it is. If we are not undefeated heading into our 12/29 game vs SHU a 10-8 conference record will not get us in the tournament if we lose to Duke and go 1-1 in the BET

It comes down to math not opponent name or prior year's performance. We heard the same complaints prior to last year and we had a top ten SOS and could have been top three if we were better (and losses to us didn't destroy opposing teams). Cal, Ga Tech and Temple/VCU are the teams you want to play on neutral courts. That is likely one tier one opponent (1-50 on neutral court) and a pair of tier two opponents (51-100 on neutral court). @Rutgers is almost certainly a tier 2 game (76-135 on the road). Duke is obvious a high tier 1.

Someone knows what they are doing in this area--which I'll admit is very un-St. John's. We play away from home as mich as anyone and that's not easy to do.

On what planet are Cal, G Tech and Temple/VCU top 50 teams?

Well maybe at some point in their schools history. LOL

Quote from: Marillac on September 15, 2018, 12:41:40 PM

Quote from: goredmen on September 14, 2018, 02:53:29 PM

Quote from: Marillac on September 14, 2018, 12:25:15 PM

Quote from: Celtics11 on September 13, 2018, 11:45:57 PM

Not a bad post Quan but in this day and age no one is fooled strictly by won loss record when they know your non conference wins are against a weak schedule. bama got in last year at 18-15 because of a tough schedule.

We are playing @Rutgers and @#2 Duke. We are playing Ga Tech on a neutral court in Miami and two neutral court games in Brooklyn against PAC-12 Cal and VCU or Temple. This notion that our OOC is weak or that we will suffer in the SOS and RPI is off base.

This team needs wins first and foremost. SJU never lacks in RPI or SOS when they are anywhere near the bubble.

I didn't know it was possible to look at our OOC schedule and think it's anything but absolutely terrible. The fact that Rutgers or Temple is our 2nd best OOC game is a disaster.  Look at the schedules of the other BE teams other than DePaul and Gtown and compare them to ours. It's a HUGE difference.

Marquette: At Indiana, vs Kansas, vs Louisville/Tennessee, vs Kansas State, vs Wisconsin, vs Buffalo. That's 6 games tougher than our 2nd toughest game.

Xavier: vs Wisconsin, 3 Maui games, at Cincinnati, at Missouri. Also 6 games tougher than our 2nd toughest

SHU: at Nebraska, at Saint Louis, 2 of their Wooden Legacy games will be vs good teams, vs Louisville, vs Kentucky, at Maryland. Thats 7 games tougher than our 2nd toughest,

Providence: vs Wichita, vs South Carolina, vs Michigan/GW, vs Rhode Island, at Boston College, at Texas. 6 games tougher than our 2nd toughest

Creighton: vs Ohio State, 2 of their Cayman Islands games > Rutgers, vs Gonzaga, at Nebraska, vs Oklahoma. 6 games tougher than our 2nd toughest.

Weak isn't the word to describe our OOC schedule. It's atrocious.

Fact is there is exactly 0 margin for our in OOC because of how weak it is. If we are not undefeated heading into our 12/29 game vs SHU a 10-8 conference record will not get us in the tournament if we lose to Duke and go 1-1 in the BET

It comes down to math not opponent name or prior year's performance. We heard the same complaints prior to last year and we had a top ten SOS and could have been top three if we were better (and losses to us didn't destroy opposing teams). Cal, Ga Tech and Temple/VCU are the teams you want to play on neutral courts. That is likely one tier one opponent (1-50 on neutral court) and a pair of tier two opponents (51-100 on neutral court). @Rutgers is almost certainly a tier 2 game (76-135 on the road). Duke is obvious a high tier 1.

Someone knows what they are doing in this area--which I'll admit is very un-St. John's. We play away from home as mich as anyone and that's not easy to do.

On what planet are Cal, G Tech and Temple/VCU top 50 teams?

I said one would likely be top 50. Temple was #52 last year and has higher expectations. VCU is thinking NCAA tournament as well and was 18-15 last year.

I would imagine most power schools don't care if they play us or not although our SOS is usually good and doesn't hurt them

With that said, other than a few locals, a 3 game tourney, and 18 conf games it should leave about 5 strong games a year and we should have rotations with at least a game against each football conf a year

Schedule sucks. Some of you will find excuses for anything. Regardless of math and NCAA, this schedule is a bad product. You would be crazy to pay full price for this shit.
Alumni hall with some seat backs and a cleaner bathroom is a glorified HS gym.

Not playing a big time non conference opponent at MSG is completely disrespectful to the fans. As is the stupid holiday festival vs Princeton. Besides that is just stupid. A sold out garden makes money. Plenty of schools would come.

Schedule sucks. Some of you will find excuses for anything. Regardless of math and NCAA, this schedule is a bad product. You would be crazy to pay full price for this shit.
Alumni hall with some seat backs and a cleaner bathroom is a glorified HS gym.

Not playing a big time non conference opponent at MSG is completely disrespectful to the fans. As is the stupid holiday festival vs Princeton. Besides that is just stupid. A sold out garden makes money. Plenty of schools would come.

I don't normally agree with Tony but it's insane they wanted me to pay almost $1,000 to renew my season tickets.