What I don't like about this election year

Quote from: newsman13 on October 31, 2008, 02:39:27 PM

he got into yale on the rich man's "affirmative action".  it's how ted kennedy got into harvard.  it's how mccain graduated bottom five in his class. 

bush graduated with a "gentlemen's "C" average.  you know this, you're just trying to stir the pot...

Well Obama got into Columbia and Harvard on the real Affirmative Action.
 

Quote from: pmg911 on October 31, 2008, 07:57:34 AM

Quote from: newsman13 on October 30, 2008, 01:29:19 PM

we need smart people running the country...not celebrities.

Yeah I forgot..  the current President graduated from YALE and got his MBA from HARVARD...   he is just a dumb ass hick from Texas...

Some people live off the successes of their father.  Bush got a 1206 on his SAT (not a shabby score at all, but certainly not Ivy League), and was a very average student at Yale.

Quote from: Marillac on November 02, 2008, 07:45:36 PM

Quote from: newsman13 on October 31, 2008, 02:39:27 PM

he got into yale on the rich man's "affirmative action".  it's how ted kennedy got into harvard.  it's how mccain graduated bottom five in his class. 

bush graduated with a "gentlemen's "C" average.  you know this, you're just trying to stir the pot...

Well Obama got into Columbia and Harvard on the real Affirmative Action.
 

If he did, he sure made good use of the opportunity.  He would make the strongest in fovor of Affirmative Action.

Quote from: TRabinowitz on October 31, 2008, 09:39:56 AM

Quote from: pmg911 on October 31, 2008, 07:57:34 AM

Quote from: newsman13 on October 30, 2008, 01:29:19 PM

we need smart people running the country...not celebrities.

Yeah I forgot..  the current President graduated from YALE and got his MBA from HARVARD...   he is just a dumb ass hick from Texas...

Some people live off the successes of their father.  Bush got a 1206 on his SAT (not a shabby score at all, but certainly not Ivy League), and was a very average student at Yale.

A 1206 is not far off what many black students score in the IVY League that benefit from Affirmative Ation.   Bush clearly got into his schools because of his father, but that doesn't mean that Obama didn't benefit from his father or from affirmative action either.  Getting in is one thing, finishing is another.  They both finished so how they got in should not matter.  Bush may have his share of gaffes--Obama won't be far behind him either after eight years;  check you tube for his current collections including 58 states and teleprompter errors--but he is no idiot.  

The average SAT score is in the neighborhood of 980.  Bush's 1206 puts him well above most of the people in this country and, ironically, above many of them who call him stupid!  

And who even cares?  I got into an Ivy League school on my own and finished with a near 4.0, but I don't feel qualified to run a household let alone a country!

Quote from: Marillac on November 02, 2008, 07:55:59 PM

Quote from: TRabinowitz on October 31, 2008, 09:39:56 AM

Quote from: pmg911 on October 31, 2008, 07:57:34 AM

Quote from: newsman13 on October 30, 2008, 01:29:19 PM

we need smart people running the country...not celebrities.

Yeah I forgot..  the current President graduated from YALE and got his MBA from HARVARD...   he is just a dumb ass hick from Texas...

Some people live off the successes of their father.  Bush got a 1206 on his SAT (not a shabby score at all, but certainly not Ivy League), and was a very average student at Yale.

A 1206 is not far off what many black students score in the IVY League that benefit from Affirmative Ation.   Bush clearly got into his schools because of his father, but that doesn't mean that Obama didn't benefit from his father or from affirmative action either.  Getting in is one thing, finishing is another.  They both finished so how they got in should not matter.  Bush may have his share of gaffes--Obama won't be far behind him either after eight years;  check you tube for his current collections including 58 states and teleprompter errors--but he is no idiot.  

The average SAT score is in the neighborhood of 980.  Bush's 1206 puts him well above most of the people in this country and, ironically, above many of them who call him stupid!  

And who even cares?  I got into an Ivy League school on my own and finished with a near 4.0, but I don't feel qualified to run a household let alone a country!

Marrillac, I was also below Bush (only by a few points) in terms of SAT score, but I am not running for President of the United States.  

I agree that we need to get rid of Affirmative Action in order to continue making strides against racism in this country.  The real point I am trying to make is that George W. Bush hasn't earned a single position he's been in in his life.  The man has completely and totally benefitted because of who his father is.   

Quote from: simplyred on November 02, 2008, 07:53:35 PM

Quote from: Marillac on November 02, 2008, 07:45:36 PM

Quote from: newsman13 on October 31, 2008, 02:39:27 PM

he got into yale on the rich man's "affirmative action".  it's how ted kennedy got into harvard.  it's how mccain graduated bottom five in his class. 

bush graduated with a "gentlemen's "C" average.  you know this, you're just trying to stir the pot...

Well Obama got into Columbia and Harvard on the real Affirmative Action.
 

If he did, he sure made good use of the opportunity.  He would make the strongest in fovor of Affirmative Action.

Please tell me you don't believe in Affirmative Action?  It is racist and a double-standard.  It does more harm than good, because for every black prospective college or job applicant that benefits from it, an equally or more qualified person is harmed by it.  It is not fair and it is a strong source of racism in this country. 

Quote from: Marillac on November 02, 2008, 07:59:02 PM

Quote from: simplyred on November 02, 2008, 07:53:35 PM

Quote from: Marillac on November 02, 2008, 07:45:36 PM

Quote from: newsman13 on October 31, 2008, 02:39:27 PM

he got into yale on the rich man's "affirmative action".  it's how ted kennedy got into harvard.  it's how mccain graduated bottom five in his class. 

bush graduated with a "gentlemen's "C" average.  you know this, you're just trying to stir the pot...

Well Obama got into Columbia and Harvard on the real Affirmative Action.
 

If he did, he sure made good use of the opportunity.  He would make the strongest in fovor of Affirmative Action.

Please tell me you don't believe in Affirmative Action?  It is racist and a double-standard.  It does more harm than good, because for every black prospective college or job applicant that benefits from it, an equally or more qualified person is harmed by it.  It is not fair and it is a strong source of racism in this country. 

Blacks and other minorities have been putting with racist double standards for centuries. Hey weclome to the club!

Quote from: TRabinowitz on November 02, 2008, 09:27:05 PM

Quote from: Marillac on November 02, 2008, 07:55:59 PM

Quote from: TRabinowitz on October 31, 2008, 09:39:56 AM

Quote from: pmg911 on October 31, 2008, 07:57:34 AM

Quote from: newsman13 on October 30, 2008, 01:29:19 PM

we need smart people running the country...not celebrities.

Yeah I forgot..  the current President graduated from YALE and got his MBA from HARVARD...   he is just a dumb ass hick from Texas...

Some people live off the successes of their father.  Bush got a 1206 on his SAT (not a shabby score at all, but certainly not Ivy League), and was a very average student at Yale.

A 1206 is not far off what many black students score in the IVY League that benefit from Affirmative Ation.   Bush clearly got into his schools because of his father, but that doesn't mean that Obama didn't benefit from his father or from affirmative action either.  Getting in is one thing, finishing is another.  They both finished so how they got in should not matter.  Bush may have his share of gaffes--Obama won't be far behind him either after eight years;  check you tube for his current collections including 58 states and teleprompter errors--but he is no idiot.  

The average SAT score is in the neighborhood of 980.  Bush's 1206 puts him well above most of the people in this country and, ironically, above many of them who call him stupid!  

And who even cares?  I got into an Ivy League school on my own and finished with a near 4.0, but I don't feel qualified to run a household let alone a country!

Marrillac, I was also below Bush (only by a few points) in terms of SAT score, but I am not running for President of the United States.  

I agree that we need to get rid of Affirmative Action in order to continue making strides against racism in this country.  The real point I am trying to make is that George W. Bush hasn't earned a single position he's been in in his life.  The man has completely and totally benefitted because of who his father is.   

He was twice voted president by the people in this country and was voted governor.  I agree with you that he wold not be anythng without his father, but you can't take away his Yale and Harvard degrees or his experience. He may have been admitted because of his pops, but he earned those degrees.  He was voted Governor and President--that he earned.

Quote from: PEEKSKILLREDDEVIL on November 02, 2008, 09:34:48 PM

Quote from: Marillac on November 02, 2008, 07:59:02 PM

Quote from: simplyred on November 02, 2008, 07:53:35 PM

Quote from: Marillac on November 02, 2008, 07:45:36 PM

Quote from: newsman13 on October 31, 2008, 02:39:27 PM

he got into yale on the rich man's "affirmative action".  it's how ted kennedy got into harvard.  it's how mccain graduated bottom five in his class. 

bush graduated with a "gentlemen's "C" average.  you know this, you're just trying to stir the pot...

Well Obama got into Columbia and Harvard on the real Affirmative Action.
 

If he did, he sure made good use of the opportunity.  He would make the strongest in fovor of Affirmative Action.

Please tell me you don't believe in Affirmative Action?  It is racist and a double-standard.  It does more harm than good, because for every black prospective college or job applicant that benefits from it, an equally or more qualified person is harmed by it.  It is not fair and it is a strong source of racism in this country. 

Blacks and other minorities have been putting with racist double standards for centuries. Hey weclome to the club!

Neither one of us has been alive for centuries.  I'm Irish...my ancestors lives were hell due to the English.  Am I going to cry about it for the rest of my life or just move on?  Should I get a job over an equally qualified person of English ancestry? 

I have to admit I don't know much about Irish ancestory but they were not bombing churches in the Irish community after Brown vs the Board of Education. Your right to an education and your right to vote was gained with alot less frictton then my people. I am not saying Irish people did not have to struggle and work hard.....just saying your experience or path was easier in my view. And to just say I was not alive when it happened in is a cop out. What about the people who were there? I have uncles, aunts and grandparents who grew up in North and South Carolina during these turbulant times. They were denied the right to vote, denied a decent education and lived in fear because of the color of their skin. Image fearing to look a white person in their eyes while walking down the street because you feared what might happen to you if you did? Our road to justice took longer and was alot hard IMO. Again, no disrepect to your ancestry.

Quote from: Marillac on November 02, 2008, 09:45:35 PM

Quote from: PEEKSKILLREDDEVIL on November 02, 2008, 09:34:48 PM

Quote from: Marillac on November 02, 2008, 07:59:02 PM

Quote from: simplyred on November 02, 2008, 07:53:35 PM

Quote from: Marillac on November 02, 2008, 07:45:36 PM

Quote from: newsman13 on October 31, 2008, 02:39:27 PM

he got into yale on the rich man's "affirmative action".  it's how ted kennedy got into harvard.  it's how mccain graduated bottom five in his class. 

bush graduated with a "gentlemen's "C" average.  you know this, you're just trying to stir the pot...

Well Obama got into Columbia and Harvard on the real Affirmative Action.
 

If he did, he sure made good use of the opportunity.  He would make the strongest in fovor of Affirmative Action.

Please tell me you don't believe in Affirmative Action?  It is racist and a double-standard.  It does more harm than good, because for every black prospective college or job applicant that benefits from it, an equally or more qualified person is harmed by it.  It is not fair and it is a strong source of racism in this country. 

Blacks and other minorities have been putting with racist double standards for centuries. Hey weclome to the club!

Neither one of us has been alive for centuries.  I'm Irish...my ancestors lives were hell due to the English.  Am I going to cry about it for the rest of my life or just move on?  Should I get a job over an equally qualified person of English ancestry? 

I have to admit I don't know much about Irish ancestory but they were not bombing churches in the Irish community after Brown vs the Board of Education. Your right to an education and your right to vote was gained with alot less frictton then my people. I am not saying Irish people did not have to struggle and work hard.....just saying your experience or path was easier in my view. And to just say I was not alive when it happened in is a cop out. What about the people who were there? I have uncles, aunts and grandparents who grew up in North and South Carolina during these turbulant times. They were denied the right to vote, denied a decent education and lived in fear because of the color of their skin. Image fearing to look a white person in their eyes while walking down the street because you feared what might happen to you if you did? Our road to justice took longer and was alot hard IMO. Again, no disrepect to your ancestry.

I am all for one race. The human race. That's how I raise my children but I also encourage them not to forget the past.

Not to start some beef, but Marillac, I take some issue with your last statement.  Affirmative Action and Black History Month are causes of racism?  Please explain.  People get into schools for all kinds of reasons - legacy, money, grades + achievements, achievements + an ability to sell themselves, excellent former schools, even minor royalty.  A school can choose to look for a more diverse student body, vs. a bunch of grads from Choate and Exeter, if they so choose.  Some schools genuinely claim it as part of the collegiate experience.  And don't those people supposedly harmed by Affirmative Action... still get jobs?  I don't know, I have no statistics on that; I could be wrong.

Though in fact, one recent study shows a bias against "black-sounding names" in job apps: http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1355/is_6_103/ai_97235741  It's not a perfect counter to "affirmative action gets black people jobs,"  but consider that perhaps fears about affirmative action are overstated. 

Not to say that race-based "point" measures used by some schools don't need to be revamped - if there is an issue with inequality and young people of comparable quality getting in to school, I'd say the issue would be economic/ income-based, and any efforts to elevate the level of folks' education has to start from elementary school.

And everyone has a History Month.  Is sexism a larger problem because of Women's History Month?  There's even an Irish-American Heritage Month.