For the sake of conversation: What if Lavin had stayed

Professor Fun speaks the truth.   

Quote from: Gray Chudney on March 29, 2016, 02:05:02 PM

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Quote from: TONYD3 on March 29, 2016, 12:37:23 PM

I don't know how anyone of you watched last season and can blame st. Jean. This team needs a head basketball coach not A GM. All of you see slice as a positive? He has an amazing reputation as a recruiter but this team needs an experienced basketball coach as the associate head coach.
 Can't have 2 recruiters, a GM for a head coach and a 23 year old  coaching the the team and expect to compete in the big east.
The most important guy in Syracuse basketball is Jim Boheiem, no Carmelo Anthony or any other player. Without him. They lost to an awful St. John's team. With him that same team is in the final 4.
This isn't the NBA. In college Mullin needs to be the man and  assert himself . GM's sit upstairs in a box . Head basketball coaches  coach thier teams.
I find it a schocking how many of you don't agree with this .

Lavin was a salesman but not the tactician. Mullin is what then? A name? He may be doing more than we can see, but a college basketball coach fits into one of two roles: tactician, like Boeheim, or a salesman like Lavin. It's too soon to truly judge Mullin on his coaching or his role in recruiting. The team did start playing better as the season wore on, but you can't have it both ways. Can't say that Mullin gets a pass because there's no talent, and then turn around and commend the staff on landing so many great players.

3 of the players the staff was "commended" on didnt play or were injured for big chunks of time --- Lovett, Owens, and Sima.  When Sima got hurt was exactly when we were starting to really look like we were maybe improving.  The staff was "commended" for getting such a good class in such little time on the job.  You are acting like we brought in MCDAAs and Mullin couldnt coach them up.

Season is over.  Take a deep breath, enjoy your team in the Final Four...also, do you know Mullin is not a salesman?  Just because his post game interview or demeanor doesnt scream SALESMAN doesnt mean he isnt the closer for these recruits either....

Except they didn't get such a good class. They did ok, considering what was available. MCDAAs? No, but you would think we landed some. We don't need Jordan because we have Mussini. We don't need Obekpa because Sima is better. What a load of shit. People can think what they want.

Quote from: Poison on March 29, 2016, 02:01:19 PM

Quote from: Tha Kid on March 29, 2016, 01:06:28 PM

Quote from: Poison on March 29, 2016, 12:57:04 PM

Quote from: TONYD3 on March 29, 2016, 12:37:23 PM

I don't know how anyone of you watched last season and can blame st. Jean. This team needs a head basketball coach not A GM. All of you see slice as a positive? He has an amazing reputation as a recruiter but this team needs an experienced basketball coach as the associate head coach.
 Can't have 2 recruiters, a GM for a head coach and a 23 year old  coaching the the team and expect to compete in the big east.
The most important guy in Syracuse basketball is Jim Boheiem, no Carmelo Anthony or any other player. Without him. They lost to an awful St. John's team. With him that same team is in the final 4.
This isn't the NBA. In college Mullin needs to be the man and  assert himself . GM's sit upstairs in a box . Head basketball coaches  coach thier teams.
I find it a schocking how many of you don't agree with this .

Lavin was a salesman but not the tactician. Mullin is what then? A name? He may be doing more than we can see, but a college basketball coach fits into one of two roles: tactician, like Boeheim, or a salesman like Lavin. It's too soon to truly judge Mullin on his coaching or his role in recruiting. The team did start playing better as the season wore on, but you can't have it both ways. Can't say that Mullin gets a pass because there's no talent, and then turn around and commend the staff on landing so many great players.

3 of the players the staff was "commended" on didnt play or were injured for big chunks of time --- Lovett, Owens, and Sima.  When Sima got hurt was exactly when we were starting to really look like we were maybe improving.  The staff was "commended" for getting such a good class in such little time on the job.  You are acting like we brought in MCDAAs and Mullin couldnt coach them up.

Season is over.  Take a deep breath, enjoy your team in the Final Four...also, do you know Mullin is not a salesman?  Just because his post game interview or demeanor doesnt scream SALESMAN doesnt mean he isnt the closer for these recruits either....

Except they didn't get such a good class. They did ok, considering what was available. MCDAAs? No, but you would think we landed some. We don't need Jordan because we have Mussini. We don't need Obekpa because Sima is better. What a load of shit. People can think what they want.

Did anyone ever say we didn't need Jordan and Obekpa because we had Mussini and Sima in the fold? 

We didn't need Jordan and Obekpa because they are not part of a culture of accountability, team work, and winning. I'm sure that was repeated a bunch.

Yes, I read plenty of posts where people thought that Mussini would replace Jordan, and quite a few where Sima was better than Obekpa. Even some that suggested that Sima was better Obekpa right now, which I think is absurd. I agree that they had off the court problems. We all know that. I was referring to fans that built up the new recruits as far more than they are.

I look at Mussini, and I see Heath Orvis. I look at Sima, and I see a shorter Constantine Popa. They both have a ton of work to do. The good news is, and I don't think anyone would disagree with this, is that Sima is far more mature than Obekpa. He carries himself like an adult. Mussini, I'm not so sure. I see him complaining a lot. I really think he was completely overwhelmed playing in the BE.

There were people on this forum who claimed Mussini had better PG skills than Lovett..

I'm still looking for that highlight reel.

Quote from: SJUFAN on March 29, 2016, 03:36:01 PM

Not a fantasy and nothing imaginary about signing Lovett and Sampson, a top 50 player. Think Louie was the one who recruited Mussini? Lavin was having dinner with Mussini's mother in Italy, not Mullin. We were in the lead for Yakwe and in good position with Diallo. It is not a stretch to think Diallo would have committed to us. Lavin built a good relationship with the OSNA program.  We had plenty of ships to offer. You may despise Lavin, and that's well within your right, but lets not use that to skew reality. Was Lavin hitting the recruiting trail hard like we would have liked? No. But he was selectively out there enough to land some highly rated kids and would have continued to do so if he was retained. I was opposed to letting Lavin go as I had little confidence in the administration making a good hire. I think they made the right choice in Mullin.

Lavin's last two recruiting hauls were Keith "parking lot transcript" Thomas, Amar Alibegowitch, Samir Doughy, Sammy Barnes Thompkins, and Brandon Sampson, who averaged a whopping 4 ppg and shot 26 % from three on a shitty NIT Team.  I'm willing to stipulate he spent his summer vacation in Italy shoveling macaroni and gravy into fat face and you're "well within your right" to give him credit for Diallo and anyone else you care to in your rich fantasy life, despite the fact that no non head case recruit anyone wanted ended up at SJU after Jakarr Sampson. The facts are that Lavin sucked at coaching and stopped  hitting the recruiting trail hard as like we would have liked gave up on recruiting in 2011. There is nothing to be said but good riddance.

So because Lavin's previous recruiting classes were abysmal giving him credit for recruiting two 5 star players is my fantasy and it didn't occur? Wonder how we lost Briscoe to Kentucky if we weren't recruiting him. The fact that he signed the #39  player in his class in Sampson somehow doesn't matter because he only averaged 4ppg?  If he would have signed Diallo, as was the rumor, that also wouldn't have mattered because he only averaged 3ppg and did not play in 4 of the 5 games Kansas played in the NCAA tourney? You concede that Lavin was stuffing his face but only to satisfy his appetite, no mention of him recruiting while doing it. Yeah that's a sound argument. He was recruiting, not to many of our liking, it's over.....time to move on.

it's over.....time to move on.

Lickspittle, heal thyself.

I dont need to rehash all my opinions have commented enough on this in the past but I will point out 2 points that have been made.

1. Jordan- decided not to take finals after Lav out because of Coach uncertainty. By the time he decided to come back it was too late. If he qualified would have helped us immensely. We would not have been world beaters but would have been better. If he had a strong season maybe he would have been first round pick, we all knew he had that talent and was really putting it together last year.  If he was a first round pick after  strong season would have helped our recruiting alot.  You have a right to not like his attitude but there is no question he was quite a talent when he put it together.

2. Brandon Sampson- Yes he had an awful season at LSU but that cannot be compared to playing in  a Lav or Mullin system. The LSU coach clearly could not handle all the talent he had this season and did not put Sampson in a good enough position to thrive.  Ben Simmons was the priority and the experiment failed. This was perfect place for him with Lav or Mullin.  No expectations, no pressure, rebuilding season and alot of minutes.  He missed out big time.

^^ I agree about Sampson. Think he made a mistake not coming here, same with Diallo, especially if Diallo was already dead set on going pro this year, why not go somewhere you are guaranteed to play? That makes no sense.

Not sure what your point is on Jordan, but I could go either way, would have been a good PG on this year's team, also might not have been the type of person Mullin really wants in the program anyway.