St. John's Ranked 40th best program in the last 50 years

http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/tag/_/name/50-in-50-series

St. John's is ranked as a 3 way tie for 40th with Florida and St. Joseph's

Here is a break down of their scoring system: http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/post/_/id/62654/introducing-the-50-in-50-series

SCORING SYSTEM
Conference title - 5 points
For best win percentage in regular season regardless of division. Independents that finished ahead of two major conference champions in final AP poll received credit.
Conference tournament title - 3 points
Independents that finished ahead of two major-conference champions in final AP poll received credit.
Win percentage
80 percent and above = 4 points, 60-79 percent = 2 points, 35.1-49.9 percent = minus-2 points, less than 35 percent = minus-4 points.
No. 1 seed - 2 points
Started in 1979.
NCAA tournament berth - 1 point
NCAA 1st-rd. win as 12-16-seed - 1 point
Started in 1979 for 12-seeds only, 1985 for seeds 12-16.
Losing in second round - 3 points
Started in 1985, every team had to win a game to advance to Round of 32.
Sweet 16 loss - 5 pts
Started in 1975, every team had to win at least once to advance to Sweet 16.
Elite Eight loss - 10 pts
National semifinal loss - 15 points
Title game loss - 20 points
National title - 25 points
NIT title - 1 point
First-team All-American - 3 points
Second-team All-American - 2 points
Player taken in NBA's top 10 - 2 points
Started in 1966, common draft.
Vacated season - minus-2 points
Any season where wins were vacated.
Sanctions
TV ban = minus-1 point, postseason ban = minus-2 points, probation = minus-1 point, loss of financial aid = minus-1 point, recruiting violation = minus-1 point, show-cause action = minus-2 points.

While that alone is enough to spark some interesting debate so too I'm sure will their choices for the starting 5 and bench players form St. Johns and their poll of which is the best St. John's team of the last 50 years.

Tied with Florida? We're tied with one of the best programs in the nation? I don't get it.

It's the best programs of the past 50 years

It's the best programs of the past 50 years

The last 20 years should knock us out of the top 50.

Quote from: steveyl15 on August 21, 2012, 11:09:24 PM

It's the best programs of the past 50 years

The last 20 years should knock us out of the top 50.

Why should the last 20 years negate the prior 80-100 years?  That makes as much sense as saying that the next 2 years should knock out the past 20.  Certainly we haven't thrived over the past 20 years, but history doesn't just dissolve. 

With that said, we have fallen woefully short in the last 2 decades and that is for certain.  The good things is that a few really good years coupled wiour history can get us back to the top.  Easier said than done.

Not meaning to do an editorial comment, but looking at the DePaul writeup - any "expert" that has David Booth at forward  on their 50 on 50 starting 5 while omitting Terry Cummings isn't exactly earning my faith in his judgement....

Quote from: Poison on August 21, 2012, 11:46:03 PM

Quote from: steveyl15 on August 21, 2012, 11:09:24 PM

It's the best programs of the past 50 years

The last 20 years should knock us out of the top 50.

Why should the last 20 years negate the prior 80-100 years?  That makes as much sense as saying that the next 2 years
should knock out the past 20.  Certainly we haven't thrived over the past 20 years, but history doesn't just dissolve. 

With that said, we have fallen woefully short in the last 2 decades and that is for certain.  The good things is that a few really good years coupled wiour history can get us back to the top.  Easier said than done.

The last 20, IMO were so pathetic that we don't deserve to be on that list anymore. We have no business being tied w a program that won back to back national championships.

Clearly, the author is looking more at empty stats than actual accomplishment when he listed his star players. Any SJ's fan with a clue knows that Felipe Lopez isn't an all time great.

Jayson Williams, Lavor Postell, Erick Barkley, Mel Davis & Marcus Hatten were all far better than him.

Anyone else notice that there was no reference to the 1999 Elite 8 team? 1999 and 2000 were very fun and exciting years with the 1999 Elite 8 run falling 3 points shy of the Final Four and winning the BET in 2000. Those teams were probably the best the school has had since the 80's

Anyone else notice that there was no reference to the 1999 Elite 8 team? 1999 and 2000 were very fun and exciting years with the 1999 Elite 8 run falling 3 points shy of the Final Four and winning the BET in 2000. Those teams were probably the best the school has had since the 80's

Weren't those records wiped out with Abe Keita.

That's what I was thinking but it looks like that was 2001 to 2004

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_vacated_and_forfeited_games_in_college_basketball