Player X vs. Player Y

Quote from: SJUFAN on December 19, 2013, 11:39:20 AM

Quote from: MCNPA on December 19, 2013, 10:36:27 AM

Good comparo...  Always interesting when you look at the numbers without a name.

There's more to this game than statistics, that's what gets GM's fired. What matters is how he scores, what impact he has on the game, and if that would translate to the next level at his most likely position.  It doesn't matter that JS FG percentage is 53%. He can't shoot. He can't pass. He can't dribble. He can't defend. He's a second rounder at best. Luckily for us, he has 2 1/2 more years to improve.   

Karr is a real favorite of yours, huh?

I like the he can't shoot comment.  Is he a horrid shooter?  No.  Is he Doug McDermott? No.  FWIW last year Grant was at 46% and Karr at 45%.  So improvement from both of them 1st to 2nd year. 

Speaking of improvement I was watching Florida the other night.  Check out this career path.  Talk about a jump.  4 star kid ranked around 70 coming out of HS.  Hasn't gotten going until now, his Sr year.

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/51332/casey-prather

Definitely think the improvement in Karr's % this year is a result of a lot of dunks and close range shots rather than "improved shooting" as its traditionally understood. However, I think he was better than his % indicated past year. Totally anecdotal ( and probably a little crazy) but he had more shots rim out last year, especially at MSG, than anyone I can remember. A bunch of times I remember getting home from the Garden and checking the boxscore to see Karr was like 4-13 and thinking even though that's a bricklayer stat line, he was inches from being pretty solid from the floor.

My bigger problem with Karr is defense and rebounding. For someone of his size and physical ability, he does neither as well as he should. If he could rebound like Mo I think he might be better thought of by the NBA.  Right now he's either a 3 with no shooting range and poor D or a 4 who doesn't board. Neither is in high demand.

Quote from: SJUFAN on December 19, 2013, 11:39:20 AM

Quote from: MCNPA on December 19, 2013, 10:36:27 AM

Good comparo...  Always interesting when you look at the numbers without a name.

There's more to this game than statistics, that's what gets GM's fired. What matters is how he scores, what impact he has on the game, and if that would translate to the next level at his most likely position.  It doesn't matter that JS FG percentage is 53%. He can't shoot. He can't pass. He can't dribble. He can't defend. He's a second rounder at best. Luckily for us, he has 2 1/2 more years to improve.   

Karr is a real favorite of yours, huh?

I like the he can't shoot comment.  Is he a horrid shooter?  No.  Is he Doug McDermott? No.  FWIW last year Grant was at 46% and Karr at 45%.  So improvement from both of them 1st to 2nd year. 

Speaking of improvement I was watching Florida the other night.  Check out this career path.  Talk about a jump.  4 star kid ranked around 70 coming out of HS.  Hasn't gotten going until now, his Sr year.

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/51332/casey-prather

"It's not an insult to say a dead man is dead" - Odysseus

I like Jakarr. He's only a few games into his Sophomore season and believe he will continue to improve. I just believe the talk about him going pro is non sense, maybe in a couple of years if his game matures, but not now.     

Quote from: Moose on December 19, 2013, 11:48:21 AM

Quote from: SJUFAN on December 19, 2013, 11:39:20 AM

Quote from: MCNPA on December 19, 2013, 10:36:27 AM

Good comparo...  Always interesting when you look at the numbers without a name.

There's more to this game than statistics, that's what gets GM's fired. What matters is how he scores, what impact he has on the game, and if that would translate to the next level at his most likely position.  It doesn't matter that JS FG percentage is 53%. He can't shoot. He can't pass. He can't dribble. He can't defend. He's a second rounder at best. Luckily for us, he has 2 1/2 more years to improve.   

Karr is a real favorite of yours, huh?

I like the he can't shoot comment.  Is he a horrid shooter?  No.  Is he Doug McDermott? No.  FWIW last year Grant was at 46% and Karr at 45%.  So improvement from both of them 1st to 2nd year. 

Speaking of improvement I was watching Florida the other night.  Check out this career path.  Talk about a jump.  4 star kid ranked around 70 coming out of HS.  Hasn't gotten going until now, his Sr year.

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/51332/casey-prather

"It's not an insult to say a dead man is dead" - Odysseus

I like Jakarr. He's only a few games into his Sophomore season and believe he will continue to improve. I just believe the talk about him going pro is non sense, maybe in a couple of years if his game matures, but not now.     

Total agreement that he needs to stay.  Just dont see the big difference in Grant aside for the 1.5 more assists a game he averages.  I think they are very similar.  Can't help but wonder if SJU had 1 loss or was undefeated if perception would change.

Quote from: Moose on December 19, 2013, 11:48:21 AM

Quote from: SJUFAN on December 19, 2013, 11:39:20 AM

Quote from: MCNPA on December 19, 2013, 10:36:27 AM

Good comparo...  Always interesting when you look at the numbers without a name.

There's more to this game than statistics, that's what gets GM's fired. What matters is how he scores, what impact he has on the game, and if that would translate to the next level at his most likely position.  It doesn't matter that JS FG percentage is 53%. He can't shoot. He can't pass. He can't dribble. He can't defend. He's a second rounder at best. Luckily for us, he has 2 1/2 more years to improve.   

Karr is a real favorite of yours, huh?

I like the he can't shoot comment.  Is he a horrid shooter?  No.  Is he Doug McDermott? No.  FWIW last year Grant was at 46% and Karr at 45%.  So improvement from both of them 1st to 2nd year. 

Speaking of improvement I was watching Florida the other night.  Check out this career path.  Talk about a jump.  4 star kid ranked around 70 coming out of HS.  Hasn't gotten going until now, his Sr year.

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/51332/casey-prather

Totally anecdotal ( and probably a little crazy) but he had more shots rim out last year, especially at MSG, than anyone I can remember. A bunch of times I remember getting home from the Garden and checking the boxscore to see Karr was like 4-13 and thinking even though that's a bricklayer stat line, he was inches from being pretty solid from the floor.

It seems that way to me too, he does have a pretty funky spin on the ball coming out of his hand, bet that is partly to blame.

If u had included who misses foul shots and then commits terrible foul to give game away we gatta know one of the players. Who never kicks it back out or or should have given it to Jordan on the break last night and then proceeded to miss two foul shots, we know the player. I like Sampson but anyone seeing him play knows he 's green with a long way to go. Looking at stats and not players worthless.

If u had included who misses foul shots and then commits terrible foul to give game away we gatta know one of the players. Who never kicks it back out or or should have given it to Jordan on the break last night and then proceeded to miss two foul shots, we know the player. I like Sampson but anyone seeing him play knows he 's green with a long way to go. Looking at stats and not players worthless.

stats lie.

I think Jakarr might be throwing down more dunks and scoring a higher percentage of his points from dunking than any player we've ever had.

When I think back about our previous dunkmen: Goodwin, Glass, Postell, etc., I think he's ahead of all of them.  He must have had 5 or 6 last night alone.
 

I think Jakarr might be throwing down more dunks and scoring a higher percentage of his points from dunking than any player we've ever had.

When I think back about our previous dunkmen: Goodwin, Glass, Postell, etc., I think he's ahead of all of them.  He must have had 5 or 6 last night alone.
 

David Russell may be ahead of him.  I'm not sure he ever took a jump shot in his 4 years with us.

Quote from: carmineabbatiello on December 19, 2013, 04:08:53 PM

I think Jakarr might be throwing down more dunks and scoring a higher percentage of his points from dunking than any player we've ever had.

When I think back about our previous dunkmen: Goodwin, Glass, Postell, etc., I think he's ahead of all of them.  He must have had 5 or 6 last night alone.
 

David Russell may be ahead of him.  I'm not sure he ever took a jump shot in his 4 years with us.

Or went to his right. Lol

I alluded to this comp in another thread and there are plenty of other players who fit the tweener/lack of NBA skills mold. Truth is I don't really mind if people think Grant or whoever is a better NBA prospect; as the less espn coverage on Jakarr, the more likely he stays for another year...Or not who knows what a player is thinking when they make these decisions.

If u had included who misses foul shots and then commits terrible foul to give game away we gatta know one of the players. Who never kicks it back out or or should have given it to Jordan on the break last night and then proceeded to miss two foul shots, we know the player. I like Sampson but anyone seeing him play knows he 's green with a long way to go. Looking at stats and not players worthless.

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