Plessy v. Ferguson

Why dont you just change your screen name to Phil Greene?

Because I've grown very attached to my screen name and besides - my legion of fans have come to count on the carmineabbatiello brand for consistently unparalleled high quality in posting.

What are you gonna do next year?

We will just return to our regularly scheduled programming.

Or perhaps like Charlie Brown found that pathetic, unloved Christmas tree and took it under his wing and revived it with love and kindness...I will find a similarly forlorn player and support him faithfully.

I will give Phil Greene this much, he is def in the top 10 SJU players who played for 4 years and never made a tourney.
1. Harrison
2. Darryl Hill
3. Lamont Hamilton
4.Sir Dom
5. Mase jr
6. Greene
 

Good list.  I know your a Greene supporter now and only slip over to the other side when Doc goads you into it.

And what the hell in gods name does the title of this thread have to do with the contents?

"separate but equal." like 3'lo and Squares shooting percentages.  Give me a break.  It's black history month.
 

On a more serious note does anyone else think we should proactively notify the authorities that some time in the near future Phil Greene will be chained up in Carmine's basement next to Avery Patterson?

Interesting that you don't mention Paris "Hilton" Horne as a similarly likely abduction candidate of mine. He used to get destroyed on these boards on a regular basis much like the other two. Than one memorable Ncaa tournament run changed all that.  I pray that we can right this ship so that these seniors can enjoy the Senior Day love fest they deserve.

Quote from: goredmen on February 05, 2015, 01:58:49 AM

Let me put this in clearer terms for you.

For every 100 shots Harrison takes, he will score about 136 points.
For every 100 shots Greene takes, he will score about 105 points.

If you don't think thats an important stat then I can't help you. Not to mention that Harrison draws the other team's best defender and is the main focus of the defense.

Also, I will show you KenPom stats, which many people both inside and outside of college basketball use as their bible to show you that Harrison is light years ahead of Greene in pretty much every statistical category.

But I guess your blind love for Greene keeps you from doing simple math, and that's fine

Agree, Phil Greene is a one trick pony who's not very good at his one trick. Which is one of the reasons his PPS is so low, because he does everything else so poorly: his sloppy handle means he can't drive and create contact so he doesn't get free throws; he doesn't rebound so he doesn't get put backs; he doesn't defend so he gets no steals for easy baskets. On the other hand you need someone to take a long two with his foot on the three point line and a thirty percent chance of going in, he's your guy, no question.

Hils lack of awareness of the three point line is remarkable.  Harrison can find it in his sleep.  I can't remember a game where Greene hasn't been denied a point becuase his foot was on the line. 

Phil does not turn the ball over becuase he does not advance the ball. That is where the circle dribbling thing came from. In total fairness it was more a side to side dribble, but for comedy sake circle just worked better. As a point guard his play rivaled that of Geno. Might have been even worse. Geno would sometime try and advance the ball, he was just slower than dirt.

I do not hate Phil the shooting guard. He is far from the primary problem on this team. He would best be suited as a guard off the bench to add some bench scoring but for this team he has to play a bigger role. 

Phil does not turn the ball over becuase he does not advance the ball. 

His decision making is good and he's not one to overly force the action. Hence less turnovers.  His airtight handle can not be dismissed either as a causal factor in his very low turnover rate.

Did you see the way he was advancing the ball in the last Providence game?

Quote from: we are sju on February 06, 2015, 09:35:00 AM

Phil does not turn the ball over becuase he does not advance the ball. 

His decision making is good and he's not one to overly force the action. Hence less turnovers.  His airtight handle can not be dismissed either as a causal factor in his very low turnover rate.

Did you see the way he was advancing the ball in the last Providence game?

Did you see him dribble around confusedly in the waning moments of the Creighton game?

Quote from: Foad on February 05, 2015, 08:21:25 AM

Quote from: goredmen on February 05, 2015, 01:58:49 AM

Let me put this in clearer terms for you.

For every 100 shots Harrison takes, he will score about 136 points.
For every 100 shots Greene takes, he will score about 105 points.

If you don't think thats an important stat then I can't help you. Not to mention that Harrison draws the other team's best defender and is the main focus of the defense.

Also, I will show you KenPom stats, which many people both inside and outside of college basketball use as their bible to show you that Harrison is light years ahead of Greene in pretty much every statistical category.

But I guess your blind love for Greene keeps you from doing simple math, and that's fine

Agree, Phil Greene is a one trick pony who's not very good at his one trick. Which is one of the reasons his PPS is so low, because he does everything else so poorly: his sloppy handle means he can't drive and create contact so he doesn't get free throws; he doesn't rebound so he doesn't get put backs; he doesn't defend so he gets no steals for easy baskets. On the other hand you need someone to take a long two with his foot on the three point line and a thirty percent chance of going in, he's your guy, no question.

Hils lack of awareness of the three point line is remarkable.  Harrison can find it in his sleep.  I can't remember a game where Greene hasn't been denied a point becuase his foot was on the line. 

Harrison has trouble differentiating between the college and NBA 3 point lines. It makes me crazy when he takes a shot from behind the NBA 3 point line when he can easily take a step up and take one from the college line

Quote from: Celtics11 on February 05, 2015, 01:03:49 AM

Toughest case to make heads or tails of in 3 years of LS. Everyone in study group had a different take-my take is it was a very poorly written decision. As for Phil and Dlo they both shoot too low of a percentage both from 3 and overall.

I've heard that said before, but truthfully I didn't think it was that difficult of a case to make sense of.  Equal protection doesn't mean equal accommodations, it means the state can't forcefully separate people based on race.   
Harlan's dissent made perfect sense, whereas you'd be hard pressed to name any of the 7 justices in the majority.   

Quote from: Marillac on February 06, 2015, 05:47:23 AM

Quote from: Foad on February 05, 2015, 08:21:25 AM

Quote from: goredmen on February 05, 2015, 01:58:49 AM

Let me put this in clearer terms for you.

For every 100 shots Harrison takes, he will score about 136 points.
For every 100 shots Greene takes, he will score about 105 points.

If you don't think thats an important stat then I can't help you. Not to mention that Harrison draws the other team's best defender and is the main focus of the defense.

Also, I will show you KenPom stats, which many people both inside and outside of college basketball use as their bible to show you that Harrison is light years ahead of Greene in pretty much every statistical category.

But I guess your blind love for Greene keeps you from doing simple math, and that's fine

Agree, Phil Greene is a one trick pony who's not very good at his one trick. Which is one of the reasons his PPS is so low, because he does everything else so poorly: his sloppy handle means he can't drive and create contact so he doesn't get free throws; he doesn't rebound so he doesn't get put backs; he doesn't defend so he gets no steals for easy baskets. On the other hand you need someone to take a long two with his foot on the three point line and a thirty percent chance of going in, he's your guy, no question.

Hils lack of awareness of the three point line is remarkable.  Harrison can find it in his sleep.  I can't remember a game where Greene hasn't been denied a point becuase his foot was on the line. 

Harrison has trouble differentiating between the college and NBA 3 point lines. It makes me crazy when he takes a shot from behind the NBA 3 point line when he can easily take a step up and take one from the college line

I agree that at times, dlo would be best served stepping up. However, I also believe at times he takes the NBA distance 3s to have some space to get a clean 3 off due to him not having much elevation on his jumpers.

So it's a mixed bag with him.

Quote from: desco80 on February 05, 2015, 12:12:56 PM

Quote from: Celtics11 on February 05, 2015, 01:03:49 AM

Toughest case to make heads or tails of in 3 years of LS. Everyone in study group had a different take-my take is it was a very poorly written decision. As for Phil and Dlo they both shoot too low of a percentage both from 3 and overall.

I've heard that said before, but truthfully I didn't think it was that difficult of a case to make sense of.  Equal protection doesn't mean equal accommodations, it means the state can't forcefully separate people based on race.   
Harlan's dissent made perfect sense, whereas you'd be hard pressed to name any of the 7 justices in the majority.   

Quote from: goredmen on February 06, 2015, 06:05:56 PM

Quote from: Marillac on February 06, 2015, 05:47:23 AM

Quote from: Foad on February 05, 2015, 08:21:25 AM

Quote from: goredmen on February 05, 2015, 01:58:49 AM

Let me put this in clearer terms for you.

For every 100 shots Harrison takes, he will score about 136 points.
For every 100 shots Greene takes, he will score about 105 points.

If you don't think thats an important stat then I can't help you. Not to mention that Harrison draws the other team's best defender and is the main focus of the defense.

Also, I will show you KenPom stats, which many people both inside and outside of college basketball use as their bible to show you that Harrison is light years ahead of Greene in pretty much every statistical category.

But I guess your blind love for Greene keeps you from doing simple math, and that's fine

Agree, Phil Greene is a one trick pony who's not very good at his one trick. Which is one of the reasons his PPS is so low, because he does everything else so poorly: his sloppy handle means he can't drive and create contact so he doesn't get free throws; he doesn't rebound so he doesn't get put backs; he doesn't defend so he gets no steals for easy baskets. On the other hand you need someone to take a long two with his foot on the three point line and a thirty percent chance of going in, he's your guy, no question.

Hils lack of awareness of the three point line is remarkable.  Harrison can find it in his sleep.  I can't remember a game where Greene hasn't been denied a point becuase his foot was on the line. 

Harrison has trouble differentiating between the college and NBA 3 point lines. It makes me crazy when he takes a shot from behind the NBA 3 point line when he can easily take a step up and take one from the college line

I agree that at times, dlo would be best served stepping up. However, I also believe at times he takes the NBA distance 3s to have some space to get a clean 3 off due to him not having much elevation on his jumpers.

So it's a mixed bag with him.

I understand that he takes deeper 3s sometimes when the D might be closing in. Far too often he takes NBA range 3s in transition or at other times when there is no defender within 10 feet of him

Quote from: carmineabbatiello on February 06, 2015, 04:21:26 PM

Quote from: we are sju on February 06, 2015, 09:35:00 AM

Phil does not turn the ball over becuase he does not advance the ball. 

His decision making is good and he's not one to overly force the action. Hence less turnovers.  His airtight handle can not be dismissed either as a causal factor in his very low turnover rate.

Did you see the way he was advancing the ball in the last Providence game?

Did you see him dribble around confusedly in the waning moments of the Creighton game?

Yes, I saw it.  He wasn't confused. He wanted to take the big shot and was trying to free himself to get it off.  Was defended well and it ended up taking up too much time.

Did you see the way he was advancing the ball in the last Providence game?

More than two thirds into our season and halfway into our conference schedule, 3'lo and Mean Joe are shooting the exact same 41% from the field and 35% from three.  Phil is shooting a much better percentage than D'lo in the conference portion alone.

So that's that.

Coming down the stretch of the season and they are once again shooting the exact same 43% from the field and 37% from three.  Phil is still shooting much better in the conference portion alone.  Kudos to both players for improving their shooting percentages as the season advances.

Quote from: carmineabbatiello on February 06, 2015, 04:21:26 PM

Quote from: we are sju on February 06, 2015, 09:35:00 AM

Phil does not turn the ball over becuase he does not advance the ball. 

His decision making is good and he's not one to overly force the action. Hence less turnovers.  His airtight handle can not be dismissed either as a causal factor in his very low turnover rate.

Did you see the way he was advancing the ball in the last Providence game?

Did you see him dribble around confusedly in the waning moments of the Creighton game?

C'mon WASJU! 
The kid is a one-man press break.  You have to at least give him that.  We haven't been effectively pressed with him on the court his entire career.  Now, what he does with it once he passes the timeline is a different story, but the kid should have never been playing PG and certainly shouldn't have been doing it for 30+ minutes.  That was just unfair...and through injuries to boot.

Put Phil on a team with two other deep threats and a kid that can score inside and kick to open shooters, and you would really see his potential.  We have two shooters (one being Phil himself) and no inside scoring threat to space the floor. 

Quote from: we are sju on February 06, 2015, 04:36:53 PM

Quote from: carmineabbatiello on February 06, 2015, 04:21:26 PM

Quote from: we are sju on February 06, 2015, 09:35:00 AM

Phil does not turn the ball over becuase he does not advance the ball. 

His decision making is good and he's not one to overly force the action. Hence less turnovers.  His airtight handle can not be dismissed either as a causal factor in his very low turnover rate.

Did you see the way he was advancing the ball in the last Providence game?

Did you see him dribble around confusedly in the waning moments of the Creighton game?

C'mon WASJU! 
The kid is a one-man press break.  You have to at least give him that.  We haven't been effectively pressed with him on the court his entire career.  Now, what he does with it once he passes the timeline is a different story, but the kid should have never been playing PG and certainly shouldn't have been doing it for 30+ minutes.  That was just unfair...and through injuries to boot.

Put Phil on a team with two other deep threats and a kid that can score inside and kick to open shooters, and you would really see his potential.  We have two shooters (one being Phil himself) and no inside scoring threat to space the floor. 

He is a solid player, but is asked to do to much at times. He is a complimentary scorer. He is not a good defender and his help defense is really poor as well. His floor vision is below average and it stifles the offense in the half court set and it contributes to him holding on to the ball longer than he needs to. He is not good at pick and roll plays because he doesn't look to aggressively take the ball to the rim or rarely, if ever, hits the screener when they roll to the basket or pop out to the short corner. He almost always reverses the ball and the screener is open 90% of the time, it kills me. He's a really good spot up shooter and if we had a inside game or more players who were dribble penetrators we could take advantage of that skill set. 

The kid is a one-man press break.

That's catchy.  Mind if I use that?