Transfers & Recruits Visiting SJU

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« Reply #160 on: April 15, 2016, 01:03:01 AM »
So the guy was tased twice - pulls the wires out of his back and still has the wherewithall to charge/punch a cop and attempt an escape?

At a minimum I'ld say he could provide toughness.

I for one hope we get Livingston AND Clark.  ;)

Anthony "Terminator" Livingston... I like it...

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« Reply #161 on: April 15, 2016, 01:37:32 AM »
"I dont see Mussini contributing down the road.    Maybe im wrong Mase.
Freudenberg could be something.   But i think hes a project.   Not expecting a lot right away."

Think that Mussini will be a pleasant surprise next season playing with Lovett/Ponds.  Should get the ball where he can just catch and shoot.  I expect his 3 pt. percentage to top 40 next season.  Also think that Freudenberg, if spotted effectively, will be a solid outside threat. This team is going to need some drop dead shooters to implement CM's preferred style. Right now, Mussini and Freudenberg are our best options to fill that role.

This is the season for Mussini. He played out of position and too many minutes last year so hard to judge him fairly. This will be the year we will see what he can be for us. To get back on topic I would be happy to get Simon and Clark with either Kosta or Livingston rounding out the team

Who in the BE can Mussini get by? The problem wasn't that he was playing out of position. It's that he doesn't have a position. He's not a 2 guard either.

I agree Poison. His lack of foot speed and frame are major obstacles for him to be anything more then a mop up guy . He is a man without a position and there is no DH in this sport.

I think you guys are nuts with this Mussini stuff. The kid is an elite shooter and could have hit 40% as a frosh if he took less challenged shot and shots off the dribble. Most decent shooters only shoot between 15-20% on shots off the bounce and only an elite few can come close to 30%. Set shots are a different world. Plus, the kid can get in the lane at a good clip and that should improve with more talent and ball-handling to spread the floor around him. 

As for Simon, this is the kind of transfer situation that can turn a program around:  highly ranked nasty player that didn't get 5-star minutes do to LOADED backcourt with a top team. Paging Michael Gbinje (1.7 ppg as frosh at Duke).  When a kid like this becomes available, you go for it without thinking about your roster.
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« Reply #162 on: April 15, 2016, 03:23:00 AM »
"I dont see Mussini contributing down the road.    Maybe im wrong Mase.
Freudenberg could be something.   But i think hes a project.   Not expecting a lot right away."

Think that Mussini will be a pleasant surprise next season playing with Lovett/Ponds.  Should get the ball where he can just catch and shoot.  I expect his 3 pt. percentage to top 40 next season.  Also think that Freudenberg, if spotted effectively, will be a solid outside threat. This team is going to need some drop dead shooters to implement CM's preferred style. Right now, Mussini and Freudenberg are our best options to fill that role.

This is the season for Mussini. He played out of position and too many minutes last year so hard to judge him fairly. This will be the year we will see what he can be for us. To get back on topic I would be happy to get Simon and Clark with either Kosta or Livingston rounding out the team

Who in the BE can Mussini get by? The problem wasn't that he was playing out of position. It's that he doesn't have a position. He's not a 2 guard either.

I agree Poison. His lack of foot speed and frame are major obstacles for him to be anything more then a mop up guy . He is a man without a position and there is no DH in this sport.

I think you guys are nuts with this Mussini stuff. The kid is an elite shooter and could have hit 40% as a frosh if he took less challenged shot and shots off the dribble. Most decent shooters only shoot between 15-20% on shots off the bounce and only an elite few can come close to 30%. Set shots are a different world. Plus, the kid can get in the lane at a good clip and that should improve with more talent and ball-handling to spread the floor around him. 

As for Simon, this is the kind of transfer situation that can turn a program around:  highly ranked nasty player that didn't get 5-star minutes do to LOADED backcourt with a top team. Paging Michael Gbinje (1.7 ppg as frosh at Duke).  When a kid like this becomes available, you go for it without thinking about your roster.

Settle down. Mussini missed a shit ton of open jumpers. He's got a lot of work to do, but he's not a starter at the BE level. I'm hoping for 12-15 minutes a game. He should be used like Max Hooper was. If he wants to get more time than that, he had better come back prepared.

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« Reply #163 on: April 15, 2016, 07:55:37 AM »
Its not right to punch anybody out

But if he punch out a teammate or somebody else people would be forgiven but since its a cop the kid should never get a second chance in life.

Something sounds fishy with the story the cop says he was going to tasar him do you know the difference between that type of gun and I real gun I don't.

Also its sounds strange that they also shot him in the back =
 
I guess there is nothing wrong with there take since it was involving a police office



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« Reply #164 on: April 15, 2016, 07:55:55 AM »
"I dont see Mussini contributing down the road.    Maybe im wrong Mase.
Freudenberg could be something.   But i think hes a project.   Not expecting a lot right away."

Think that Mussini will be a pleasant surprise next season playing with Lovett/Ponds.  Should get the ball where he can just catch and shoot.  I expect his 3 pt. percentage to top 40 next season.  Also think that Freudenberg, if spotted effectively, will be a solid outside threat. This team is going to need some drop dead shooters to implement CM's preferred style. Right now, Mussini and Freudenberg are our best options to fill that role.

This is the season for Mussini. He played out of position and too many minutes last year so hard to judge him fairly. This will be the year we will see what he can be for us. To get back on topic I would be happy to get Simon and Clark with either Kosta or Livingston rounding out the team

Who in the BE can Mussini get by? The problem wasn't that he was playing out of position. It's that he doesn't have a position. He's not a 2 guard either.

I agree Poison. His lack of foot speed and frame are major obstacles for him to be anything more then a mop up guy . He is a man without a position and there is no DH in this sport.

I think you guys are nuts with this Mussini stuff. The kid is an elite shooter and could have hit 40% as a frosh if he took less challenged shot and shots off the dribble. Most decent shooters only shoot between 15-20% on shots off the bounce and only an elite few can come close to 30%. Set shots are a different world. Plus, the kid can get in the lane at a good clip and that should improve with more talent and ball-handling to spread the floor around him. 

As for Simon, this is the kind of transfer situation that can turn a program around:  highly ranked nasty player that didn't get 5-star minutes do to LOADED backcourt with a top team. Paging Michael Gbinje (1.7 ppg as frosh at Duke).  When a kid like this becomes available, you go for it without thinking about your roster.

Actually like the Gbinje comparison Marillac. He is clearly worth the investment.

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« Reply #165 on: April 15, 2016, 01:15:16 PM »
I think the staff is smart going after Simon and Clark JR. As well, regardless of how the 17' class recruiting looks.  If you can lock up a 5-star kid with 3 seasons of eligibility like Simon, it is every bit as good as landing a top 17' kid.  Marvin Clark at worst is like landing a high rated JC player for 17'.  I think we will still be left with at least a ship or two to see who we can reel in, but we'd essentially be starting off the 17' class strong with these 2, and it gives us insurance in terms of being able to work the player or two we really want.

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« Reply #166 on: April 15, 2016, 01:22:35 PM »
The kid is an elite shooter

What evidence is there that he's an elite shooter the caliber of say Liam Beasty or Heath Orvis.

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« Reply #167 on: April 15, 2016, 01:25:11 PM »
"I dont see Mussini contributing down the road.    Maybe im wrong Mase.
Freudenberg could be something.   But i think hes a project.   Not expecting a lot right away."

Think that Mussini will be a pleasant surprise next season playing with Lovett/Ponds.  Should get the ball where he can just catch and shoot.  I expect his 3 pt. percentage to top 40 next season.  Also think that Freudenberg, if spotted effectively, will be a solid outside threat. This team is going to need some drop dead shooters to implement CM's preferred style. Right now, Mussini and Freudenberg are our best options to fill that role.

This is the season for Mussini. He played out of position and too many minutes last year so hard to judge him fairly. This will be the year we will see what he can be for us. To get back on topic I would be happy to get Simon and Clark with either Kosta or Livingston rounding out the team

Who in the BE can Mussini get by? The problem wasn't that he was playing out of position. It's that he doesn't have a position. He's not a 2 guard either.

I agree Poison. His lack of foot speed and frame are major obstacles for him to be anything more then a mop up guy . He is a man without a position and there is no DH in this sport.

I think you guys are nuts with this Mussini stuff. The kid is an elite shooter and could have hit 40% as a frosh if he took less challenged shot and shots off the dribble. Most decent shooters only shoot between 15-20% on shots off the bounce and only an elite few can come close to 30%. Set shots are a different world. Plus, the kid can get in the lane at a good clip and that should improve with more talent and ball-handling to spread the floor around him. 

As for Simon, this is the kind of transfer situation that can turn a program around:  highly ranked nasty player that didn't get 5-star minutes do to LOADED backcourt with a top team. Paging Michael Gbinje (1.7 ppg as frosh at Duke).  When a kid like this becomes available, you go for it without thinking about your roster.

Settle down. Mussini missed a shit ton of open jumpers. He's got a lot of work to do, but he's not a starter at the BE level. I'm hoping for 12-15 minutes a game. He should be used like Max Hooper was. If he wants to get more time than that, he had better come back prepared.

Every player does, but you are exaggerating his misses in a big way and not giving him credit for the degree of difficulty he had to take with most of his shots, with no scoring or ball-handling around him.  It doesn't usually end well when freshmen average 6 treys a game. Only teams with elite ball movement and multiple scorin options could get a shooter 6 open, set shots a game. We weren't that team and he was on the ball most of the year to make it harder.

He shot over 86% from the ft line as a frosh--which has to be close to a record. 


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« Reply #168 on: April 15, 2016, 01:30:46 PM »
The kid is an elite shooter

What evidence is there that he's an elite shooter the caliber of say Liam Beasty or Heath Orvis.

Quantitatively, I can point to his 86.2% from free throw line with 81 out of 94. That is 7.1% higher than Mullin as a frosh and just lower than him as a soph. I could also point to the lack of freshmen points that shoot 6 threes a game with better success.

Qualitatively, see post above.

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« Reply #169 on: April 15, 2016, 01:42:31 PM »
The kid is an elite shooter

What evidence is there that he's an elite shooter the caliber of say Liam Beasty or Heath Orvis.

Same evidence that Durand Johnson is an all Big East player I think
BTW Marillac I think is still reeling from Diana Taurasi making the all Butter Face list
http://www.thesportster.com/entertainment/top-14-hottest-butterfaces-in-sports/?view=all

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« Reply #170 on: April 15, 2016, 01:45:53 PM »
The kid is an elite shooter

What evidence is there that he's an elite shooter the caliber of say Liam Beasty or Heath Orvis.

Quantitatively, I can point to his 86.2% from free throw line with 81 out of 94. That is 7.1% higher than Mullin as a frosh and just lower than him as a soiooph. I could also point to the lack of freshmen points that shoot 6 threes a game with better success.

Qualitatively, see post above.

"Elite" FT shooter perhaps, but he will have to prove he is "elite" from the field. Let's be fair here. Yes, circumstances were challenging for him, but let's see how well he does before using the "elite" tag. Frankly I will be happy if he becomes a "good" shooter in a complementary role.
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« Reply #171 on: April 15, 2016, 02:02:12 PM »
So the guy was tased twice - pulls the wires out of his back and still has the wherewithall to charge/punch a cop and attempt an escape?

At a minimum I'ld say he could provide toughness.

I for one hope we get Livingston AND Clark.  ;)


Like that guy Frank lost the taser bet to on Shameless
I agree I want this guy

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« Reply #172 on: April 15, 2016, 02:12:11 PM »
The kid is an elite shooter

What evidence is there that he's an elite shooter the caliber of say Liam Beasty or Heath Orvis.

Same evidence that Durand Johnson is an all Big East player I think
BTW Marillac I think is still reeling from Diana Taurasi making the all Butter Face list
http://www.thesportster.com/entertainment/top-14-hottest-butterfaces-in-sports/?view=all
With the bod on Michelle Jenneke her face is more than passable.

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« Reply #173 on: April 15, 2016, 02:21:07 PM »
"I dont see Mussini contributing down the road.    Maybe im wrong Mase.
Freudenberg could be something.   But i think hes a project.   Not expecting a lot right away."

Think that Mussini will be a pleasant surprise next season playing with Lovett/Ponds.  Should get the ball where he can just catch and shoot.  I expect his 3 pt. percentage to top 40 next season.  Also think that Freudenberg, if spotted effectively, will be a solid outside threat. This team is going to need some drop dead shooters to implement CM's preferred style. Right now, Mussini and Freudenberg are our best options to fill that role.

This is the season for Mussini. He played out of position and too many minutes last year so hard to judge him fairly. This will be the year we will see what he can be for us. To get back on topic I would be happy to get Simon and Clark with either Kosta or Livingston rounding out the team

Who in the BE can Mussini get by? The problem wasn't that he was playing out of position. It's that he doesn't have a position. He's not a 2 guard either.

I agree Poison. His lack of foot speed and frame are major obstacles for him to be anything more then a mop up guy . He is a man without a position and there is no DH in this sport.

I think you guys are nuts with this Mussini stuff. The kid is an elite shooter and could have hit 40% as a frosh if he took less challenged shot and shots off the dribble. Most decent shooters only shoot between 15-20% on shots off the bounce and only an elite few can come close to 30%. Set shots are a different world. Plus, the kid can get in the lane at a good clip and that should improve with more talent and ball-handling to spread the floor around him. 

As for Simon, this is the kind of transfer situation that can turn a program around:  highly ranked nasty player that didn't get 5-star minutes do to LOADED backcourt with a top team. Paging Michael Gbinje (1.7 ppg as frosh at Duke).  When a kid like this becomes available, you go for it without thinking about your roster.

Settle down. Mussini missed a shit ton of open jumpers. He's got a lot of work to do, but he's not a starter at the BE level. I'm hoping for 12-15 minutes a game. He should be used like Max Hooper was. If he wants to get more time than that, he had better come back prepared.

Every player does, but you are exaggerating his misses in a big way and not giving him credit for the degree of difficulty he had to take with most of his shots, with no scoring or ball-handling around him.  It doesn't usually end well when freshmen average 6 treys a game. Only teams with elite ball movement and multiple scorin options could get a shooter 6 open, set shots a game. We weren't that team and he was on the ball most of the year to make it harder.

He shot over 86% from the ft line as a frosh--which has to be close to a record. 


Mussini was great from the line. No one can deny that. We gave a freshman with limited ball handling ability and defensive ability the task of running a team full of injury prone, lazy and flat out bad basketball players and asked him to run that offense. It certainly wasn't fair.

Next season, God willing, we'll have Marcus LoVett running the offense, and Shamorie Ponds spelling him when needed, followed by the occasional and hopefully rare site of Ellison running the point. Here's what needs to be figured out regarding Mussini: If Mullin starts LoVett, Ponds, Ahmed, Yakwe and Sima like many of us expect him to, when Mussini comes into the game, what position will he be playing?

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« Reply #174 on: April 15, 2016, 02:26:15 PM »
I do t think it matters what position he plays.  A few minutes at pg, mostly at SG.  Can even be a third guard in 3G lineups against smaller teams.  He's able to handle the ball and has to be guarded.  The defense around him should be better next season as well so I think he will have more help there.

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« Reply #175 on: April 15, 2016, 02:40:50 PM »
I do t think it matters what position he plays.  A few minutes at pg, mostly at SG.  Can even be a third guard in 3G lineups against smaller teams.  He's able to handle the ball and has to be guarded.  The defense around him should be better next season as well so I think he will have more help there.

The defense around will probably be better now that Mvouika, Jones and Alibegovic are gone. But Mussini still has to do his part. He still has to play defense. The kid has serious work to do this summer if he wants to be anything more than another Max Hooper.

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« Reply #176 on: April 15, 2016, 02:49:06 PM »
The kid is an elite shooter

What evidence is there that he's an elite shooter the caliber of say Liam Beasty or Heath Orvis.

Same evidence that Durand Johnson is an all Big East player I think
BTW Marillac I think is still reeling from Diana Taurasi making the all Butter Face list
http://www.thesportster.com/entertainment/top-14-hottest-butterfaces-in-sports/?view=all

Thanks for making me drye heave. I thought Johnson would be able to play as an undersized four. I was wrong and said he was exclusively a guard after midnight madness. I thought 15 ppg would be good enough for third team, but the prediction came before Lovett's ineligibility and Williams' shoulder took us from a slightly bad team to laughingstock.

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« Reply #177 on: April 15, 2016, 02:56:34 PM »
The kid is an elite shooter

What evidence is there that he's an elite shooter the caliber of say Liam Beasty or Heath Orvis.

Same evidence that Durand Johnson is an all Big East player I think
BTW Marillac I think is still reeling from Diana Taurasi making the all Butter Face list
http://www.thesportster.com/entertainment/top-14-hottest-butterfaces-in-sports/?view=all

Thanks for making me drye heave. I thought Johnson would be able to play as an undersized four. I was wrong and said he was exclusively a guard after midnight madness. I thought 15 ppg would be good enough for third team, but the prediction came before Lovett's ineligibility and Williams' shoulder took us from a slightly bad team to laughingstock.

Just say you made a lousy prediction like all of us do. :)

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« Reply #178 on: April 15, 2016, 02:56:58 PM »
The kid is an elite shooter

What evidence is there that he's an elite shooter the caliber of say Liam Beasty or Heath Orvis.

Same evidence that Durand Johnson is an all Big East player I think
BTW Marillac I think is still reeling from Diana Taurasi making the all Butter Face list
http://www.thesportster.com/entertainment/top-14-hottest-butterfaces-in-sports/?view=all

Thanks for making me drye heave. I thought Johnson would be able to play as an undersized four. I was wrong and said he was exclusively a guard after midnight madness. I thought 15 ppg would be good enough for third team, but the prediction came before Lovett's ineligibility and Williams' shoulder took us from a slightly bad team to laughingstock.

I liked Johnson. You are overrating Mussini. He is so slow and nonathletic that he has to rush his shots which is why he shot so badly. Sorry about the Taurasi thing  :)

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« Reply #179 on: April 15, 2016, 03:00:08 PM »
"I dont see Mussini contributing down the road.    Maybe im wrong Mase.
Freudenberg could be something.   But i think hes a project.   Not expecting a lot right away."

Think that Mussini will be a pleasant surprise next season playing with Lovett/Ponds.  Should get the ball where he can just catch and shoot.  I expect his 3 pt. percentage to top 40 next season.  Also think that Freudenberg, if spotted effectively, will be a solid outside threat. This team is going to need some drop dead shooters to implement CM's preferred style. Right now, Mussini and Freudenberg are our best options to fill that role.

This is the season for Mussini. He played out of position and too many minutes last year so hard to judge him fairly. This will be the year we will see what he can be for us. To get back on topic I would be happy to get Simon and Clark with either Kosta or Livingston rounding out the team

Who in the BE can Mussini get by? The problem wasn't that he was playing out of position. It's that he doesn't have a position. He's not a 2 guard either.

I agree Poison. His lack of foot speed and frame are major obstacles for him to be anything more then a mop up guy . He is a man without a position and there is no DH in this sport.

I think you guys are nuts with this Mussini stuff. The kid is an elite shooter and could have hit 40% as a frosh if he took less challenged shot and shots off the dribble. Most decent shooters only shoot between 15-20% on shots off the bounce and only an elite few can come close to 30%. Set shots are a different world. Plus, the kid can get in the lane at a good clip and that should improve with more talent and ball-handling to spread the floor around him. 

As for Simon, this is the kind of transfer situation that can turn a program around:  highly ranked nasty player that didn't get 5-star minutes do to LOADED backcourt with a top team. Paging Michael Gbinje (1.7 ppg as frosh at Duke).  When a kid like this becomes available, you go for it without thinking about your roster.

Settle down. Mussini missed a shit ton of open jumpers. He's got a lot of work to do, but he's not a starter at the BE level. I'm hoping for 12-15 minutes a game. He should be used like Max Hooper was. If he wants to get more time than that, he had better come back prepared.

Every player does, but you are exaggerating his misses in a big way and not giving him credit for the degree of difficulty he had to take with most of his shots, with no scoring or ball-handling around him.  It doesn't usually end well when freshmen average 6 treys a game. Only teams with elite ball movement and multiple scorin options could get a shooter 6 open, set shots a game. We weren't that team and he was on the ball most of the year to make it harder.

He shot over 86% from the ft line as a frosh--which has to be close to a record. 


Mussini was great from the line. No one can deny that. We gave a freshman with limited ball handling ability and defensive ability the task of running a team full of injury prone, lazy and flat out bad basketball players and asked him to run that offense. It certainly wasn't fair.

Next season, God willing, we'll have Marcus LoVett running the offense, and Shamorie Ponds spelling him when needed, followed by the occasional and hopefully rare site of Ellison running the point. Here's what needs to be figured out regarding Mussini: If Mullin starts LoVett, Ponds, Ahmed, Yakwe and Sima like many of us expect him to, when Mussini comes into the game, what position will he be playing?

Just because he isn't E. Barkley doesn't mean he has a "limited" handle. He is one of the most skilled players we've had here in my time as a fan, Syracuse made the final four with Trevor Cooney playing combo. Who was he breaking down regularly? I thought he was actually a big weakness for them earlier in his career, but he developed his body and improved his quickness. Mussini is a very similar player and will show it with more talent around him.

At the very least, he keeps defenses honest. They have to play up on him because he has range past the NBA line. That opens up the floor for guys like Ponds, Lovett, RF and Ahmed to go one-on-one. Defend Mussini with a two-guard and he can take them off the bounce. He'd be an awesome reserve guard 15 mpg if we landed Simon.  The kind of kid that doesn't let you catch your breath when the starters rest.