Expectations for the 16-17 season

Quote from: Poison on May 19, 2016, 08:04:59 AM

Quote from: paultzman on May 19, 2016, 07:41:28 AM

Be careful on overestimating Owens. He's a complementary piece at best. IMO, a healthy and hopefully stronger Sima will get major minutes at the 5.

I think he's smarter than Sima and Williams. He knows where to be on the court. In a system with a true point guard, and in a system where we're gonna run, I think he will surprise people. Sima is uncoordinated, and hasn't shown me that he's able to play at the BE level. That may be because of his hand injury, but he did really regress upon his return.

What do you base your eval of Owens on, he didn't see much floor time at Tenn.?

I expect each of the sophomores (Moose, Malik, Kass & Sima) to have solid if not breakout years. They're already a step above everyone else on the system's learning curve, and will be comfortable in their surroundings. Particularly as they enter Big East play, I expect a quantum leap. A case can be made for each one of these guys to have very productive years.

Bash will be the team's leading scorer imo, and Rich will put up 4-5 more ppg than Poison is listing.

Erick Barkley. He played like a senior as a freshman.

Quote from: QuanMan on May 19, 2016, 10:12:36 AM

I expect each of the sophomores (Moose, Malik, Kass & Sima) to have solid if not breakout years. They're already a step above everyone else on the system's learning curve, and will be comfortable in their surroundings. Particularly as they enter Big East play, I expect a quantum leap. A case can be made for each one of these guys to have very productive years.

Bash will be the team's leading scorer imo, and Rich will put up 4-5 more ppg than Poison is listing.

Ideally, Bashir Ahmed is our leading scorer. He's the junior. When it's on freshman, they can be great, but freshman will also undoubtedly come with freshman mistakes, which has been true for every freshman I've seen at St.John's in the last 30 years except for one guy. Erick Barkley. He played like a senior as a freshman.

Since you're a big Bashir believer, do you know what's he's doing this summer?

Quote from: Poison on May 19, 2016, 10:47:32 AM

Quote from: QuanMan on May 19, 2016, 10:12:36 AM

I expect each of the sophomores (Moose, Malik, Kass & Sima) to have solid if not breakout years. They're already a step above everyone else on the system's learning curve, and will be comfortable in their surroundings. Particularly as they enter Big East play, I expect a quantum leap. A case can be made for each one of these guys to have very productive years.

Bash will be the team's leading scorer imo, and Rich will put up 4-5 more ppg than Poison is listing.

Ideally, Bashir Ahmed is our leading scorer. He's the junior. When it's on freshman, they can be great, but freshman will also undoubtedly come with freshman mistakes, which has been true for every freshman I've seen at St.John's in the last 30 years except for one guy. Erick Barkley. He played like a senior as a freshman.

Since you're a big Bashir believer, do you know what's he's doing this summer?

Why do you want to know what everyone is doing this summer? What are you doing this summer?

Quote from: we are sju on May 19, 2016, 11:06:21 AM

Quote from: Poison on May 19, 2016, 10:47:32 AM

Quote from: QuanMan on May 19, 2016, 10:12:36 AM

I expect each of the sophomores (Moose, Malik, Kass & Sima) to have solid if not breakout years. They're already a step above everyone else on the system's learning curve, and will be comfortable in their surroundings. Particularly as they enter Big East play, I expect a quantum leap. A case can be made for each one of these guys to have very productive years.

Bash will be the team's leading scorer imo, and Rich will put up 4-5 more ppg than Poison is listing.

Ideally, Bashir Ahmed is our leading scorer. He's the junior. When it's on freshman, they can be great, but freshman will also undoubtedly come with freshman mistakes, which has been true for every freshman I've seen at St.John's in the last 30 years except for one guy. Erick Barkley. He played like a senior as a freshman.

Since you're a big Bashir believer, do you know what's he's doing this summer?

Why do you want to know what everyone is doing this summer? What are you doing this summer?

The careers of most college basketball players can be predicted by the middle of their sophomore seasons. By then, they've had a freshman year to get their feet wet, and take their lumps, and they've had an off season to work on their game.

In my experience, I find you have 3 types of players. The Lavor Postell, who I consider to be the gold standard in work ethic. The Willie Shaw, who I consider to be the ultimate in unfulfilled potential. The 3rd type of person, I think is the most common. They go through the motions, play hard enough, work hard enough and improve gradually.

I'm curious to see if we have any Lavor Postells out of Mussini, Sima, Yakwe and Ellison?

Does that answer your question?

Quote from: Marillac on May 18, 2016, 10:41:20 PM

Over/under on Lovett turnovers starts at 3.5. I'll take the over.

Over is probably a solid bet. No chance in hell it's as low as 2

Quote from: goredmen on May 19, 2016, 12:19:55 AM

Quote from: Marillac on May 18, 2016, 10:41:20 PM

Over/under on Lovett turnovers starts at 3.5. I'll take the over.

Over is probably a solid bet. No chance in hell it's as low as 2

None.

Also, Mussini averaging less than 8-10 ppg isn't happening either.  He scores in  too many ways and is too good of a FT shooter and secondary ball-handler to be left on the bench at the end of games.

Quote from: Section 9 on May 19, 2016, 08:53:53 AM

Quote from: Poison on May 19, 2016, 08:04:59 AM

Quote from: paultzman on May 19, 2016, 07:41:28 AM

Be careful on overestimating Owens. He's a complementary piece at best. IMO, a healthy and hopefully stronger Sima will get major minutes at the 5.

I think he's smarter than Sima and Williams. He knows where to be on the court. In a system with a true point guard, and in a system where we're gonna run, I think he will surprise people. Sima is uncoordinated, and hasn't shown me that he's able to play at the BE level. That may be because of his hand injury, but he did really regress upon his return.

What do you base your eval of Owens on, he didn't see much floor time at Tenn.?

I watched him practice. He's the smartest big man on the team by far. You could tell right away that Jones, Alibegovic, Williams, Yakwe and Sima were clueless half the time on defense and on offense. Owens plays with his head up, he goes right to the basket to get in position to get rebounds, he passes the ball as if he actually knows what play the team is running. It will be refreshing to watch. He's resourceful in addition to being athletic. He's been working with the staff, and he's been getting stronger for a year now. I think he's going to do well here. We had an incredibly low basketball IQ on this team. They need him.

But hey, who the F knows? I thought Phil Wait and Omari Lawrence would be good. 

However, I will say this: More than one former Johnny agreed with my analysis on Owens.


He looked pretty good in the intra -squad pre- season scrimmage FWIW

Quote from: Marillac on May 19, 2016, 12:42:49 PM

Quote from: goredmen on May 19, 2016, 12:19:55 AM

Quote from: Marillac on May 18, 2016, 10:41:20 PM

Over/under on Lovett turnovers starts at 3.5. I'll take the over.

Over is probably a solid bet. No chance in hell it's as low as 2

None.

Also, Mussini averaging less than 8-10 ppg isn't happening either.  He scores in  too many ways and is too good of a FT shooter and secondary ball-handler to be left on the bench at the end of games.

We def watched two different players. Guy I saw continuously missed threes. At first they were contested threes then wide open ones. I guess you could say he misses in many ways....

Quote from: we are sju on May 19, 2016, 12:54:51 PM

Quote from: Marillac on May 19, 2016, 12:42:49 PM

Quote from: goredmen on May 19, 2016, 12:19:55 AM

Quote from: Marillac on May 18, 2016, 10:41:20 PM

Over/under on Lovett turnovers starts at 3.5. I'll take the over.

Over is probably a solid bet. No chance in hell it's as low as 2

None.

Also, Mussini averaging less than 8-10 ppg isn't happening either.  He scores in  too many ways and is too good of a FT shooter and secondary ball-handler to be left on the bench at the end of games.

We def watched two different players. Guy I saw continuously missed threes. At first they were contested threes then wide open ones. I guess you could say he misses in many ways....

The guy I saw got by his defender several times a game, but wasn't strong enough (yet) to finish. Very capable handle for a combo -- not so much for a 30+ mpg PG. I'm not sure I've seen anyone wear the SJU uniform and take a higher average degree of difficulty from deep like him --sure, some of that was shot selection, but mostly necessity. Defense is terrible, but rebounding and steals/deflections were above average. Ellison's defense was just as bad. 

Quote from: Marillac on May 19, 2016, 02:06:26 PM

Quote from: we are sju on May 19, 2016, 12:54:51 PM

Quote from: Marillac on May 19, 2016, 12:42:49 PM

Quote from: goredmen on May 19, 2016, 12:19:55 AM

Quote from: Marillac on May 18, 2016, 10:41:20 PM

Over/under on Lovett turnovers starts at 3.5. I'll take the over.

Over is probably a solid bet. No chance in hell it's as low as 2

None.

Also, Mussini averaging less than 8-10 ppg isn't happening either.  He scores in  too many ways and is too good of a FT shooter and secondary ball-handler to be left on the bench at the end of games.

We def watched two different players. Guy I saw continuously missed threes. At first they were contested threes then wide open ones. I guess you could say he misses in many ways....

The guy I saw got by his defender several times a game, but wasn't strong enough (yet) to finish. Very capable handle for a combo -- not so much for a 30+ mpg PG. I'm not sure I've seen anyone wear the SJU uniform and take a higher average degree of difficulty from deep like him --sure, some of that was shot selection, but mostly necessity. Defense is terrible, but rebounding and steals/deflections were above average. Ellison's defense was just as bad. 

It's a little contradictory to say he can score in so many ways and then to say he had to take tough threes because he couldn't free himself for his own shot. I agree that he's sneaky fast going to the basket. But the reason you want him in at the end is because of his FT shooting, not because he can create off the dribble. If he's better at that than Lovett and Ponds, that's not good. 

They have to respect his shot from beyond NBA range, [...] I expect him to flirt with 40% this year from three

It's a different world going from the focal point of opposition game-plans to a guy who comes in at under 12 or 16 mark to provide offense and energy against mostly subs...or as part of a three-guard look to space the floor. It all begins and ends with Lovett. I think that kid will have the single biggest impact on the final product since Hatten.

Quote from: goredmen on May 19, 2016, 12:19:55 AM

Quote from: Marillac on May 18, 2016, 10:41:20 PM

Over/under on Lovett turnovers starts at 3.5. I'll take the over.

Over is probably a solid bet. No chance in hell it's as low as 2

None.

Also, Mussini averaging less than 8-10 ppg isn't happening either.  He scores in  too many ways and is too good of a FT shooter and secondary ball-handler to be left on the bench at the end of games.