Rysheed Jordan - Skills for Life

Quote from: Marco Baldi on June 02, 2016, 03:59:01 PM

Quote from: SJUFAN on June 02, 2016, 03:50:31 PM

Quote from: Marco Baldi on June 02, 2016, 02:40:17 PM

Plenty of people who are born into similar situations and avoid robbing and shooting people. Jordan is s gangster. He is where he belongs

So you don't think its a problem that "Plenty of people are born into similar situations"? Just because everyone isn't like that doesn't mean many would not be. It's a mentality, regardless of his gifts. Not everyone has the capacity to get smacked in the cheek and turn to him the next. At some point you have to say the problem isn't limited to what action the individual takes, although they should still be held accountable for them, but you also have to start thinking.. Why are you smacking him in the cheek? 

Or stop having children if you do t have the means,desire or maturity to raise them properly. At some point, people have be responsible for themselves and stop blaming society, their own parents etc.

Pointing out faults in a social system doesn't mean I'm not for accountability. Self responsibility is important. To overcome social issues however you have to acknowledge certain constructs exists which contribute to a social culture. Someone is going to fall within that segment of the population, it has nothing to do with personal choice. If everyone in the United states had an MBA that would mean there would be a large portion of the population with MBA's living at/near/or in poverty. Education and hard work does not necessarily equate to economic prosperity. There isn't an infinite amount of high paying jobs, regardless of your education and/or work ethic. Some of us are more fortunate than others which perpetuates the belief that anyone can do it. However true in theory that may be, that isn't true for everyone. Stay strong Rysheed, hope you use this experience as a spring board to a better future.

You make it sound as if that should be a deterrent for a child. For some, yes, but if all you saw was crime, drugs, criminals, jail, etc.. growing up you may not see it as a bad thing, its what you know.

Quote from: SJUFAN on June 03, 2016, 12:35:41 PM

You make it sound as if that should be a deterrent for a child. For some, yes, but if all you saw was crime, drugs, criminals, jail, etc.. growing up you may not see it as a bad thing, its what you know.

As this statement applies to Jordan...    maybe it was what he knew as kid but he was able to get out of that situation and see a different world in college....  he saw that basketball could give him the way out and he obviously didn't care...    he made adult decisions and now rightfully has to deal with adult consequences.

"Blaming the social cycle and the circumstances he was born into is ridiculous and part of the problem in America today."

How many times during your youth have you had to rummage through trash to find a meal to eat? Or sleep outside in the rain? Don't underestimate the circumstances that faces some of our youth today and the impact it can have on their thought process.

"This kid saw the world around him in which he grew up. . crime, drugs, criminals, people off to jail, etc......All he had to do was make the right choices and he did not , He choose to keep going back home, to stay in the cycle.."

You make it sound as if that should be a deterrent for a child. For some, yes, but if all you saw was crime, drugs, criminals, jail, etc.. growing up you may not see it as a bad thing, its what you know. If you interview some of these young adults and ask them if they think they were abused by their parent/guardian growing up and often times they would say no. Ask specific questions like, ever hit? yah, with an object? Sure, Any bruising? All the time. They don't think of it as abuse because that is all they know.

I'm not saying the circumstances he was born into "is" to blame. I'm saying it is a contributing factor. Rysheed shouldn't get a pass, he's an adult who was aware of what he was doing was wrong, he should be held accountable. However the ability to make the "right choice" as you say isn't as simple as you may think.     

Just a tidbit; apparently after his freshman year at SJU, Jordan was given opportunity to spend time with John Lucas program, but declined.

As this statement applies to Jordan...    maybe it was what he knew as kid but he was able to get out of that situation and see a different world in college....  he saw that basketball could give him the way out and he obviously didn't care...    he made adult decisions and now rightfully has to deal with adult consequences.

The worst thing to happen to the black family in the last fifty years is the LBJ "Great Society". Totally demasculated the black male and uninspired the black male for taking responsibility for his family. Why should the black male, who up until then had only mediocre patriarchal/father figures, marry the mother of his children, provide for his family and be a father to his children? Thanks to the "Great Society", single mothers and their children were given free housing [Section 8], free medical care [Medicaid], free money [welfare] and free additional benefits [WIC, Food Stamps, etc.] Why should the father of the children of single mothers get up at 4am to work a construction job? The state and federal benefits far outweigh what that man could have done in a legitimite blue collar or white collar job.

Its called a cycle, because there is no end, it just keeps going and going, generation to generation. Thank you LBJ and the Congress of 1965.

Wonder who black Jesus is voting for this year?

Quote from: Marco Baldi on June 03, 2016, 06:55:56 PM

Wonder who black Jesus is voting for this year?

Felons can't vote.

Quote from: braintrust on June 03, 2016, 06:30:41 PM

The worst thing to happen to the black family in the last fifty years is the LBJ "Great Society". Totally demasculated the black male and uninspired the black male for taking responsibility for his family. Why should the black male, who up until then had only mediocre patriarchal/father figures, marry the mother of his children, provide for his family and be a father to his children? Thanks to the "Great Society", single mothers and their children were given free housing [Section 8], free medical care [Medicaid], free money [welfare] and free additional benefits [WIC, Food Stamps, etc.] Why should the father of the children of single mothers get up at 4am to work a construction job? The state and federal benefits far outweigh what that man could have done in a legitimite blue collar or white collar job.

Its called a cycle, because there is no end, it just keeps going and going, generation to generation. Thank you LBJ and the Congress of 1965.

Racist.

Just kidding. The democrat party comprises a permanent underclass maintained by a cadre of government and quasi government bureaucrats, unions and the chattering classes. The ultimate goal of the system is to diminish personal liberty in the name of the greater good and in favor of the benign fascism of an ever growing government leviathan. The destruction of minority families and communities is critical to that effort. 

Quote from: SJUFAN on June 03, 2016, 12:35:41 PM

"Blaming the social cycle and the circumstances he was born into is ridiculous and part of the problem in America today."

How many times during your youth have you had to rummage through trash to find a meal to eat? Or sleep outside in the rain? Don't underestimate the circumstances that faces some of our youth today and the impact it can have on their thought process.

"This kid saw the world around him in which he grew up. . crime, drugs, criminals, people off to jail, etc......All he had to do was make the right choices and he did not , He choose to keep going back home, to stay in the cycle.."

You make it sound as if that should be a deterrent for a child. For some, yes, but if all you saw was crime, drugs, criminals, jail, etc.. growing up you may not see it as a bad thing, its what you know. If you interview some of these young adults and ask them if they think they were abused by their parent/guardian growing up and often times they would say no. Ask specific questions like, ever hit? yah, with an object? Sure, Any bruising? All the time. They don't think of it as abuse because that is all they know.

I'm not saying the circumstances he was born into "is" to blame. I'm saying it is a contributing factor. Rysheed shouldn't get a pass, he's an adult who was aware of what he was doing was wrong, he should be held accountable. However the ability to make the "right choice" as you say isn't as simple as you may think.     

I think you've watched Oliver Twist one too many times. WIC gives mothers with children very generous allowances. Also, every school Jordan attended almost certainly gave out free breakfast AND lunch. That says nothing of the benefits he received as a superstar athlete traveling the country for free and getting per diem while loading up on piles of free sneakers and gear he could sell to his friends.

Jordan's life in the ghetto as a superstar athlete was easier than most kids lives in the middle class. He was the prince of North Philly. His downfall was that nobody ever told him no.

The worst thing to happen to the black family in the last fifty years is the LBJ "Great Society". Totally demasculated the black male and uninspired the black male for taking responsibility for his family. Why should the black male, who up until then had only mediocre patriarchal/father figures, marry the mother of his children, provide for his family and be a father to his children? Thanks to the "Great Society", single mothers and their children were given free housing [Section 8], free medical care [Medicaid], free money [welfare] and free additional benefits [WIC, Food Stamps, etc.] Why should the father of the children of single mothers get up at 4am to work a construction job? The state and federal benefits far outweigh what that man could have done in a legitimite blue collar or white collar job.

Its called a cycle, because there is no end, it just keeps going and going, generation to generation. Thank you LBJ and the Congress of 1965.

Quote from: braintrust on June 03, 2016, 06:30:41 PM

The worst thing to happen to the black family in the last fifty years is the LBJ "Great Society". Totally demasculated the black male and uninspired the black male for taking responsibility for his family. Why should the black male, who up until then had only mediocre patriarchal/father figures, marry the mother of his children, provide for his family and be a father to his children? Thanks to the "Great Society", single mothers and their children were given free housing [Section 8], free medical care [Medicaid], free money [welfare] and free additional benefits [WIC, Food Stamps, etc.] Why should the father of the children of single mothers get up at 4am to work a construction job? The state and federal benefits far outweigh what that man could have done in a legitimite blue collar or white collar job.

Its called a cycle, because there is no end, it just keeps going and going, generation to generation. Thank you LBJ and the Congress of 1965.

All this time I thought slavery was the ultimate cause of the disenfranchisement that plagued the black family/community. It was LBJ and Congress in 1965... dam those liberals, life was so much better for the black community prior to that.