Malik Ellison

Quote from: Dave on July 26, 2016, 12:25:52 AM

Early starting lineup will be LoVett, Ellison, Bashir, Yakwe, Sima

Mussini and Owens first off the bench.

Ponds and Freudenberg next in rotation.

Alibegovic spot minutes.

Doubt Williams ever returns. Most likely becomes hardship candidate.

By mid season Mussini getting spot minutes and Lovett, Ellison and Ponds are the 3 guards that play

Matt's Twitter:

"Malik Ellison has had a tremendous off season"

When I compared him to DJ Kennedy, I saw some of those skills. Like in how he gets the rack. If he's been hitting the gym, maybe he's ready to be a consistent driver and finisher like DJ was. Also like that he's a really big guard. More than anything his defense has to
Improve. He had no clue how to play defense. That surprised me.

Quote from: Poison on September 17, 2016, 12:49:17 PM

Matt's Twitter:

"Malik Ellison has had a tremendous off season"

When I compared him to DJ Kennedy, I saw some of those skills. Like in how he gets the rack. If he's been hitting the gym, maybe he's ready to be a consistent driver and finisher like DJ was. Also like that he's a really big guard. More than anything his defense has to
Improve. He had no clue how to play defense. That surprised me.

Just wanted to give my 2 cents on Ellison.

My sense (based on nothing) is that Malik's development can become a very important recruiting tool.  And thus, I’m a huge Malik booster and wish him tremendous success this upcoming season.

My hope and expectation is that he continues his progression, which is undeniable, that he showed during last third of the season.  He improved his shooting, his finishing, and also his defense (to an extent).  It would be great if he could earn the starting 2 spot this season and next.  With 2017 being especially tough with Justin Simon being eligible.

Why would he be a recruiting tool? 

He is a prototypical NBA sized 2 guard with good athleticism and a quick first step.  I think he was a 2/3* recruit because of injuries and didn’t play against really good competition in HS, but he had all the tools. If he progresses and improves enough to be, say an All BE 2nd teamer or so, other large guards (who needs to improve their outside shooting) would see the value of being coached by Mullin and co.

Isn’t that how Chris recruits?

My sense of how Chris recruits is that he does it like an NBA exec. I think he and Mitch create a player development regime.  They present this and show recruits their strengths and weaknesses and show how they would improve over a couple of years in order to make them attractive enough for NBA execs to take a chance. Lord knows that Lavin and Roberts or Jarvis didn’t do anything like that.  Now that’s all talk on the part of Mullin, but Malik would be an example of what could be achieved.

Anyways, regardless of how he played last year, and I know that a lost of posters are down on him…. I hope Malik makes the jump becomes an effective BE combo guard. 

I’ll be rooting for him next season.

I think Malik went from totally out of control, slow and unaware on defense and unable shoot consistently to being able to the bring the ball up against BE players, knocking down a few threes and driving, distributing and finishing with more consistency. He was a freshman. IMO, he had a promising freshman season.

It comes down to just how many areas he can improve in one off season. We know he's been hitting the weight room. That's a surefire example of commitment. He's 6'6, and he's a legit 6'6. Guys like him and Yakwe who scored for us down the stretch need to make that jump in order us to really compete in the BE for the post season. Both players, and Sima and Mussini would make STJ look great for doing what few STJ coaches have been able to do — develop talent.

Quote from: Poison on September 18, 2016, 06:45:28 PM

I think Malik went from totally out of control, slow and unaware on defense and unable shoot consistently to being able to the bring the ball up against BE players, knocking down a few threes and driving, distributing and finishing with more consistency. He was a freshman. IMO, he had a promising freshman season.

It comes down to just how many areas he can improve in one off season. We know he's been hitting the weight room. That's a surefire example of commitment. He's 6'6, and he's a legit 6'6. Guys like him and Yakwe who scored for us down the stretch need to make that jump in order us to really compete in the BE for the post season. Both players, and Sima and Mussini would make STJ look great for doing what few STJ coaches have been able to do — develop talent.

Ellison has things you can't teach - size, pedigree and confidence - and is deficient in things that can only improve - shooting, defense, ball handling, maturity. Exactly the sort of 4 year player every program needs and all good programs have. The usual stupid geniuses think he should be recruited over because he wasn't an all american as a freshman. It's like they've never watched basketball before.  I'm hoping he's 50 percent less awful than he was last year and if he is I'll be pleased with his progress and looking forward to his future.

Quote from: Poison on September 18, 2016, 06:45:28 PM

I think Malik went from totally out of control, slow and unaware on defense and unable shoot consistently to being able to the bring the ball up against BE players, knocking down a few threes and driving, distributing and finishing with more consistency. He was a freshman. IMO, he had a promising freshman season.

It comes down to just how many areas he can improve in one off season. We know he's been hitting the weight room. That's a surefire example of commitment. He's 6'6, and he's a legit 6'6. Guys like him and Yakwe who scored for us down the stretch need to make that jump in order us to really compete in the BE for the post season. Both players, and Sima and Mussini would make STJ look great for doing what few STJ coaches have been able to do — develop talent.

on has things you can't teach - size, pedigree and confidence - and is deficient in things that can only improve - shooting, defense, ball handling, maturity. Exactly the sort of 4 year player every program needs and all good programs have. The usual stupid geniuses think he should be recruited over because he wasn't an all american as a freshman. It's like they've never watched basketball before.  I'm hoping he's 50 percent less awful than he was last year and if he is I'll be pleased with his progress and looking forward to his future.
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Totally agree Fun.  Would like to see him in a 3 guard rotation with Ponds and Lovett.  We need a big guard and he is the only answer.  Mussini as a 15 minute shooting specialist.  Ellison's most glaring deficiencies, defense and decisionmaking,  should improve substantially with a year and an offseason under his belt.  Not too worried about his outside shooting, the other 3 can bury it.

Ellison has impressive guard skills but he was a disgusting defender and was incredibly weak on the boards. Comparing him to DJ is not fair to DJ. He makes Ellison look softer than dog shit.

Quote from: Marillac on September 19, 2016, 10:48:58 AM

Ellison has impressive guard skills but he was a disgusting defender and was incredibly weak on the boards. Comparing him to DJ is not fair to DJ. He makes Ellison look softer than dog shit.

Agreed. A long way to go to be mentioned withvthe likes of DJ.  Ellison needs to work on going to the hole and making layups. He takes layup like Chris Dudley took free throws

Quote from: Poison on September 18, 2016, 06:45:28 PM

I think Malik went from totally out of control, slow and unaware on defense and unable shoot consistently to being able to the bring the ball up against BE players, knocking down a few threes and driving, distributing and finishing with more consistency. He was a freshman. IMO, he had a promising freshman season.

It comes down to just how many areas he can improve in one off season. We know he's been hitting the weight room. That's a surefire example of commitment. He's 6'6, and he's a legit 6'6. Guys like him and Yakwe who scored for us down the stretch need to make that jump in order us to really compete in the BE for the post season. Both players, and Sima and Mussini would make STJ look great for doing what few STJ coaches have been able to do — develop talent.

Ellison has things you can't teach - size, pedigree and confidence - and is deficient in things that can only improve - shooting, defense, ball handling, maturity. Exactly the sort of 4 year player every program needs and all good programs have. The usual stupid geniuses think he should be recruited over because he wasn't an all american as a freshman. It's like they've never watched basketball before.  I'm hoping he's 50 percent less awful than he was last year and if he is I'll be pleased with his progress and looking forward to his future.

I don't remember DJ looking as lost as Malik was last year. I also don't think Malik will get the same opportunity DJ had. DJ had no one to compete with. Malik has plenty. I think Lovett plays 30 plus minutes a game. Maybe Malik can back him up. Their will only be more competition next year. I think he has already been recruited over.

Quote from: Marillac on September 19, 2016, 10:48:58 AM

Ellison has impressive guard skills but he was a disgusting defender and was incredibly weak on the boards. Comparing him to DJ is not fair to DJ. He makes Ellison look softer than dog shit.

Agreed. A long way to go to be mentioned withvthe likes of DJ.  Ellison needs to work on going to the hole and making layups. He takes layup like Chris Dudley took free throws

M.E. telegraphs his move, and starts it to far from the hoop. Gets pass off when in trouble and shows that coming also. Those moves are big trouble for a guard. When he loses those habits maybe he can start to develop some guard skills.

I am glad he didn't get one..