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Quote from: goredmen on October 19, 2016, 11:22:18 AM

Quote from: Gray Chudney on October 19, 2016, 11:04:47 AM

I think Mullin mentioned "10 guys" a couple of times on BE media day.  Which 2 players are getting squeezed out of the rotation?  Has to be at least 1 of Williams, Amar, Owens

It would have to be Williams and Amar that don't really sniff the rotation. Owens is a true big that can play and you don't keep guys like that on the bench.

Would bet at least one of those 2 wont be around next year.

Would probably be a smart bet

I dont think we play 10 guys.  Our 5 best are much better then our 2nd 5. (I hope). I have never seen Owens play. Also I have never seen a PF or Center that skinny.

Starters- Lovett, Ellison, Bashir, Yakwe, Sima

Rotation- Mussini, Ponds, Owens, Richard

Depth- Williams, Amar

Ellison starts over Ponds?   I know that might just be semantics, they could end up with the same amount of minutes.  But still that would be surprising imo

Ellison starts over Ponds?   I know that might just be semantics, they could end up with the same amount of minutes.  But still that would be surprising imo

I disagree. I'd rather have the Soph start over the Freshman especially if all the reports of Ellison really improving over the summer are true. If Ponds outplays Ellison in the beginning of the season then make the change, but start the Soph assuming Ponds isn't miles ahead of him already

Starters- Lovett, Ellison, Bashir, Yakwe, Sima

Rotation- Mussini, Ponds, Owens, Richard

Depth- Williams, Amar

Not enough, or any at all, outside shooting with the starters. That's why I think Ponds may start - just to spread the floor a bit.  I have a feeling Lovett's and Ahmed's outside shot won't be respected at all, so defenses will just pack it in us. We almost have to start Ponds for that reason.

Am am crazy in thinking that way?

I think Mullin mentioned "10 guys" a couple of times on BE media day.  Which 2 players are getting squeezed out of the rotation?  Has to be at least 1 of Williams, Amar, Owens

Unless you're counting walk-ons, there are only 11 guys on the team.  So if Chris is playing 10, then one is out of the rotation.  By league play the rotation will be sorted out and he'll probably go with 8 or 9, depending on the situation.

Quote from: Dave on October 19, 2016, 12:24:42 PM

Starters- Lovett, Ellison, Bashir, Yakwe, Sima

Rotation- Mussini, Ponds, Owens, Richard

Depth- Williams, Amar

Not enough, or any at all, outside shooting with the starters. That's why I think Ponds may start - just to spread the floor a bit.  I have a feeling Lovett's and Ahmed's outside shot won't be respected at all, so defenses will just pack it in us. We almost have to start Ponds for that reason.

Am am crazy in thinking that way?

Chris has been hinting at having Bash at the 4, and that Lovett and Ponds are playing well together.  In this scenario Sima is out and Ponds is in.

Lovett, Ponds, Ellison, Ahmed, and Yakwe

In my opinion Yakwee and Sima are playing different positions.  But maybe that's just me. 
Sima and Owens are the only centers on the roster.
 

Height-wise Owens is a 5, body-wise he's a 4.  If he and Yakwe are on the floor while Sima sits, I wouldn't be surprised to see them rotate between the 4 and  5 with Yakwe getting more minutes at the 5.

Quote from: Dave on October 19, 2016, 12:24:42 PM

Starters- Lovett, Ellison, Bashir, Yakwe, Sima

Rotation- Mussini, Ponds, Owens, Richard

Depth- Williams, Amar

Not enough, or any at all, outside shooting with the starters. That's why I think Ponds may start - just to spread the floor a bit.  I have a feeling Lovett's and Ahmed's outside shot won't be respected at all, so defenses will just pack it in us. We almost have to start Ponds for that reason.

Am am crazy in thinking that way?

Ponds isn't a shooter.

Quote from: Gray Chudney on October 19, 2016, 11:04:47 AM

I think Mullin mentioned "10 guys" a couple of times on BE media day.  Which 2 players are getting squeezed out of the rotation?  Has to be at least 1 of Williams, Amar, Owens

Unless you're counting walk-ons, there are only 11 guys on the team.  So if Chris is playing 10, then one is out of the rotation.  By league play the rotation will be sorted out and he'll probably go with 8 or 9, depending on the situation.

12- Clark (out)
13- Simon (out)

Walkon- Elijah Holifield

Quote from: bk8664 on October 19, 2016, 01:25:15 PM

Quote from: Dave on October 19, 2016, 12:24:42 PM

Starters- Lovett, Ellison, Bashir, Yakwe, Sima

Rotation- Mussini, Ponds, Owens, Richard

Depth- Williams, Amar

Not enough, or any at all, outside shooting with the starters. That's why I think Ponds may start - just to spread the floor a bit.  I have a feeling Lovett's and Ahmed's outside shot won't be respected at all, so defenses will just pack it in us. We almost have to start Ponds for that reason.

Am am crazy in thinking that way?

Ponds isn't a shooter.

Then it's going to be rough season. Defenses will just pack it in on us if our starting five + Ponds all can't shoot from the outside.   Mussini and Freud off the bench aren't going to be enough shooting wise (because they won't get enough minutes in combination)

We can't have no outside shooting, and poor free throw shooting from our big men - all in our starting lineup. Terrible combination. We'll be chucking up too many mid-range shots.

I've just instantly re-calibrated downward my expectations for this season.  Too bad.

Early indications via body language, social media marketing are that the captains of this team are Marcus and Bash. Understated leader, rock-Yakwe. Bash representing the team as a student-athelete at BE media day without ever playing a game spoke volumes. True NYers Bash and Shamorie will be the crowd favorites along with Rich by the BE season IMO.

Quote from: Dave on October 19, 2016, 02:18:43 PM

Quote from: bk8664 on October 19, 2016, 01:25:15 PM

Quote from: Dave on October 19, 2016, 12:24:42 PM

Starters- Lovett, Ellison, Bashir, Yakwe, Sima

Rotation- Mussini, Ponds, Owens, Richard

Depth- Williams, Amar

Not enough, or any at all, outside shooting with the starters. That's why I think Ponds may start - just to spread the floor a bit.  I have a feeling Lovett's and Ahmed's outside shot won't be respected at all, so defenses will just pack it in us. We almost have to start Ponds for that reason.

Am am crazy in thinking that way?

Ponds isn't a shooter.

Then it's going to be rough season. Defenses will just pack it in on us if our starting five + Ponds all can't shoot from the outside.   Mussini and Freud off the bench aren't going to be enough shooting wise (because they won't get enough minutes in combination)

We can't have no outside shooting, and poor free throw shooting from our big men - all in our starting lineup. Terrible combination. We'll be chucking up too many mid-range shots.

I've just instantly re-calibrated downward my expectations for this season.  Too bad.

The way to prevent them from packing it in is playing uptempo

Quote from: Dave on October 19, 2016, 02:18:43 PM

Quote from: bk8664 on October 19, 2016, 01:25:15 PM

Quote from: Dave on October 19, 2016, 12:24:42 PM

Starters- Lovett, Ellison, Bashir, Yakwe, Sima

Rotation- Mussini, Ponds, Owens, Richard

Depth- Williams, Amar

Not enough, or any at all, outside shooting with the starters. That's why I think Ponds may start - just to spread the floor a bit.  I have a feeling Lovett's and Ahmed's outside shot won't be respected at all, so defenses will just pack it in us. We almost have to start Ponds for that reason.

Am am crazy in thinking that way?

Ponds isn't a shooter.

Then it's going to be rough season. Defenses will just pack it in on us if our starting five + Ponds all can't shoot from the outside.   Mussini and Freud off the bench aren't going to be enough shooting wise (because they won't get enough minutes in combination)

We can't have no outside shooting, and poor free throw shooting from our big men - all in our starting lineup. Terrible combination. We'll be chucking up too many mid-range shots.

I've just instantly re-calibrated downward my expectations for this season.  Too bad.

I didn't say he can't shoot but he isn't a shooter. He's a pure scorer.

Also with Lovett, Ellison, Ponds you have 3 guys who can penetrate the lane. All 3 are capable of scoring or making the pass. That's valuable.

Mussini is similar but not as explosive as 3 mentioned above. I really like the interchangeability and versatility of this team. Toughest thing will be playing right combos.

Quote from: bk8664 on October 19, 2016, 02:39:13 PM

Quote from: Dave on October 19, 2016, 02:18:43 PM

Quote from: bk8664 on October 19, 2016, 01:25:15 PM

Quote from: Dave on October 19, 2016, 12:24:42 PM

Starters- Lovett, Ellison, Bashir, Yakwe, Sima

Rotation- Mussini, Ponds, Owens, Richard

Depth- Williams, Amar

Not enough, or any at all, outside shooting with the starters. That's why I think Ponds may start - just to spread the floor a bit.  I have a feeling Lovett's and Ahmed's outside shot won't be respected at all, so defenses will just pack it in us. We almost have to start Ponds for that reason.

Am am crazy in thinking that way?

Ponds isn't a shooter.

Then it's going to be rough season. Defenses will just pack it in on us if our starting five + Ponds all can't shoot from the outside.   Mussini and Freud off the bench aren't going to be enough shooting wise (because they won't get enough minutes in combination)

We can't have no outside shooting, and poor free throw shooting from our big men - all in our starting lineup. Terrible combination. We'll be chucking up too many mid-range shots.

I've just instantly re-calibrated downward my expectations for this season.  Too bad.

I didn't say he can't shoot but he isn't a shooter. He's a pure scorer.

Also with Lovett, Ellison, Ponds you have 3 guys who can penetrate the lane. All 3 are capable of scoring or making the pass. That's valuable.

Mussini is similar but not as explosive as 3 mentioned above. I really like the interchangeability and versatility of this team. Toughest thing will be playing right combos.

Does this team mentally have what it takes to make plays and get stops and win the tied-3pt games with 4 mins left? That's the big question for me

If Ponds doesn't start, then I feel that Mussini should. If Ellison is starting and getting major minutes we are in trouble. My starting lineup would be

Lovett
Ponds
Ahmed
Yakwe
Sima

1st off the bench:

Mussini
Freudenberg
Owens

If Ponds doesn't start, then I feel that Mussini should. If Ellison is starting and getting major minutes we are in trouble. My starting lineup would be

Lovett
Ponds
Ahmed
Yakwe
Sima

1st off the bench:

Mussini
Freudenberg
Owens

Why would St. John's be in trouble if Ellison starts? Bigger, stronger, and better defender than Mussini.

Let Mussini come in and be the spark plug. Microwave off the bench.

I think it's really important for Mullin and his staff to show that players improve with their coaching. Ellison, Yakwe, Sima, Mussini and Alibegovic all showed glimpses of what they were capable of. Clearly, some more often than others. Is anyone ready to make that sophomore jump and bring it for every game? I'm curious to see what they've learned in the off season.

As much as I'm hopeful that the new guys are players, it's better for our program that our 5 returning players are getting better, and should result in playing time.

 

Quote from: Section 9 on October 19, 2016, 01:31:27 PM

Quote from: Gray Chudney on October 19, 2016, 11:04:47 AM

I think Mullin mentioned "10 guys" a couple of times on BE media day.  Which 2 players are getting squeezed out of the rotation?  Has to be at least 1 of Williams, Amar, Owens

Unless you're counting walk-ons, there are only 11 guys on the team.  So if Chris is playing 10, then one is out of the rotation.  By league play the rotation will be sorted out and he'll probably go with 8 or 9, depending on the situation.

12- Clark (out)
13- Simon (out)

Walkon- Elijah Holifield

Exactly.