Chemistry Warning Signs?

Last two games about 10 shots for FM (only 3 in last game) when he was 5 for 6 game before and about 5 shots for RF (0 in last game.)

Owens shots were mostly on put backs --- not passes.

Last two games about 10 shots for FM (only 3 in last game) when he was 5 for 6 game before and about 5 shots for RF (0 in last game.)

Owens shots were mostly on put backs --- not passes.

The warning is don't expect a contender with a freshman backcourt, a sophomore class made up entirely of projects and a juco who just played his first game against a real in his entire friggan life. Chill out. They need to learn how to play together. That takes a healthy combination of good attitudes on the staff and with the players. It also takes patience.

As far as LoVett, Ponds and Ahmed go, this was a damn good high major debut game. Could it have been better? Of course. LoVett could shoot less and pass more. Ahmed could set screens and think about what he can do when the ball isn't in his hands. But consider that in his FIRST game against a real team, he went for 15 and 10.

I was as frustrated as any St.John'a fan last season, but I don't understand how some people aren't encouraged by the talent, fight and potential in this young team? For once the problem isn't depth. It's not that we have to use a shooting guard at the point. It's not that we don't have enough size. There is only one problem now. It's inexperience. And that's something that can be corrected this season.

Just don't expect us to correct it against Tom Izzo. 

There are no chemistry warning signs here. Just stop it.

I'm chill.  I love the team....and watching the newbies play....and the progress the program has made.   I'd be more chill if they got back on defense and/or stopped their man from getting to the middle on defense. 

27 shots is a lot.   I'm sorry.   25 fast break points is too many. 

Agreed that 27 is too much but many were taken deep in the clock.  Ball movement has been pretty good and will only get better.  The team will have to learn to move better without the ball, screen off the ball etc.  If you get open Lovett and Ponds will get you the ball.  I thought Lovett was amazingly productive given that he had to often create late.  Team has not had anyone with this ability in awhile.  Looking forward to watching these kids get better. Mussini moves well off the ball and will prosper, would not worry about this game.  It is early boys and offensively we have 3 scorers, not worried.  D must improve.  I like ponds crashing, he has a nose for the ball.  Rest of the team must learn to rotate back quickly when he crashes, Minn fastbreaks decided the game and I am certain that his will be emphasized by the coaching staff.

Agree..that all makes good sense.

I think from game to game you'll see some different guys contribute. Against Minnesota it wasn't Ellison or Mussini.

I do think the coaching staff needs to figure out ways to get guys involved in certain lineup combos. For instance when Mussini comes in the game, make him a factor peeling off screens. When Sima is in feed the post and have shooters move to open space or when RF/Amar is in run some high pick'n'roll for the pick and pop.

It's a really young team, this is really Mullin's first class with significant talent so it's going to take time.  If this team made the NIT I'd be very happy.  They're not going to contend for a NCAA berth. 

There are no chemistry warning signs here. Just stop it.

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Yeah maybe our far and away best players need to make sure our 7th man should get some shots since he can't get them himself??

I think from game to game you'll see some different guys contribute. Against Minnesota it wasn't Ellison or Mussini.

I do think the coaching staff needs to figure out ways to get guys involved in certain lineup combos. For instance when Mussini comes in the game, make him a factor peeling off screens. When Sima is in feed the post and have shooters move to open space or when RF/Amar is in run some high pick'n'roll for the pick and pop.

I think if anything, they have given Sima the ball too much. He doesn't think or move fast enough to deserve it more than he gets it.

Was able to rewatch the entire Minny game this morning.  Upon review, came away with far more positives than negatives.  Kids played well for first real test in a hostile environment.  Yes, our transition defense definitely killed us, and the inability to adjust to Coffey's dominating Ponds and Mussini in the paint was a glaring weakness, but we rebounded well, moved the ball well, and had tons of good shots.  LoVett and Ponds appear to be two very special freshmen, and Ahmed did enough to show that he can be an impact guy at this level.

Yes, Mussini, Ellison, and Amar went scoreless, but they had many good and open looks and the shots simply didn't drop.  That'll all even out and they'll drop the next time.  Only Ellison was guilty of a couple of out of control heaves, but even he got inside several times and failed to finish. I guess to be fair, Ponds and LoVett both made some very difficult shots, and maybe they too will level off -- unless they happen to be that good, in which case we should all enjoy the next couple of years a great deal.

LoVett was far more efficient in the second half, eliminating the wild drives into traffic in the first half which padded his shot totals.  While only four guys scored, this team will get contributions from our bench as the year progresses.  While Izzo and State will be tough, I'm looking forward to seeing what we learned from this game as we move through Atlantis.  All in all, we're ahead of where I thought we would be and there are solid reasons to hope that this team can and will overachieve this season.

Paultzman has issued his edict on the other blog.  Apparently, this is an inane topic so please stop responding to it.  Thank you.

Paultzman has issued his edict on the other blog.  Apparently, this is an inane topic so please stop responding to it.  Thank you.

I think this is a stupid topic but I think that posts telling people not to post about what they think is interesting are even more stupid. So I will respond: I don't see a chemistry problem, I see a talent problem. When Mussini starts shooting > than 25 percent from three they should maybe set him up. Should Ellison shoot better than oh for six they should feed him. Until then Lovett should take 30 shots and Ponds should take 25, at least that's interesting basketball.

Quote from: hnk on November 21, 2016, 04:31:42 PM

Paultzman has issued his edict on the other blog.  Apparently, this is an inane topic so please stop responding to it.  Thank you.

I think this is a stupid topic but I think that posts telling people not to post about what they think is interesting are even more stupid. So I will respond: I don't see a chemistry problem, I see a talent problem. When Mussini starts shooting > than 25 percent from three they should maybe set him up. Should Ellison shoot better than oh for six they should feed him. Until then Lovett should take 30 shots and Ponds should take 25, at least that's interesting basketball.

Agree posts telling people not to post what they think is wrong & I never issued an "edict" WASJU & I were going back and forth and he cited this thread. I simply responded;

"Why react to one guy starting an inane thread like that one on JJ? Btw, when I last looked most guys thought it was silly. Thus, most guys support, value & appreciate LoVett, no?"

If this is an edict, some sensitive little soul needs to reread it. "Why react" meant why get upset, not why respond. Don't want to waste time of those I respect on JJ. Moving on.

I hope the door doesn't hit you on the way out.

Been posting here for a long time & will happily continue to do so.

I'm glad.  I love your inside tips, particularly, when they are accurate.  I guess I misunderstood when you said you were "moving on."

I'm glad.  I love your inside tips, particularly, when they are accurate.  I guess I misunderstood when you said you were "moving on."

No, just moving on from this "inane" exchange. Don't want to waste folks' time. I'll leave that to you.

Quote from: Foad on November 21, 2016, 05:28:25 PM

Quote from: hnk on November 21, 2016, 04:31:42 PM

Paultzman has issued his edict on the other blog.  Apparently, this is an inane topic so please stop responding to it.  Thank you.

I think this is a stupid topic but I think that posts telling people not to post about what they think is interesting are even more stupid. So I will respond: I don't see a chemistry problem, I see a talent problem. When Mussini starts shooting > than 25 percent from three they should maybe set him up. Should Ellison shoot better than oh for six they should feed him. Until then Lovett should take 30 shots and Ponds should take 25, at least that's interesting basketball.

Agree posts telling people not to post what they think is wrong & I never issued an "edict" WASJU & I were going back and forth and he cited this thread. I simply responded;

"Why react to one guy starting an inane thread like that one on JJ? Btw, when I last looked most guys thought it was silly. Thus, most guys support, value & appreciate LoVett, no?"

If this is an edict, some sensitive little soul needs to reread it. "Why react" meant why get upset, not why respond. Don't want to waste time of those I respect on JJ. Moving on.

 I did not see your post elsewhere but you often tell people that what they are posting about is less than interesting. I could easily cite 50 posts where someone says something they find interesting and you say 'time to move on' or the like, as if you're the arbiter of what's worthy of discussion. The saying of which is your prerogative. But otoh personally I'm not interested in recruiting - I cannot think of anything less interesting than the workings of teenage minds - and so find many of your posts about recruiting pointless and boring. But I wouldn't say that because others find those posts fascinating, as evidently do you, and I don't begrudge you your interests or your readers theirs. As silly as I find this thread of hnk's if he and others want to discuss chemistry I don't see how or why someone who's authored THIRTY THOUSAND #SJUBB   posts should begrudge others bandwidth especially when if no one finds it interesting it'll die its own death  without your help. But that's just me, so carry on.

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