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Re: Delaware St
« Reply #200 on: November 30, 2016, 11:17:50 AM »
St. jean deserves no blame. Tough to coach in big east by ur self

Tonight is on the players. Coaches can yell and scream to play hard but that has to come within.
Coaches don't have to yell or scream. How about calmly saying let's stop taking bad 3's. Let's get the ball inside. Let's drive to the basket.
I didn't see the other coaches screaming.

Odd. Last year after the South Carolina game you were all upset because the staff did not yell, as yelling had magical powers:

"As a coach I absolutely believe that I affected  a game with my words and excitement. I believe that I got stops with my passion. I don't see that with this staff."

What changed, or is it just your mellifluous screaming that has a touch of voodoo?
No I was mad because the  HEAD coach seemed aloof . Coaches need to yell, scream, teach, explain, prepare, call time outs, control a huddle, and many more things on game day. I was also mad at the South Carolina game because a 23 year old was trying to do those things by himself and was failing miserably.
If you demand defense in practice, practice hard, and strongly encourage it during a game . You may get it! Passion and energy are needed in college sports.

Get a job guy! How long did it take you to find that post?

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Re: Delaware St
« Reply #201 on: November 30, 2016, 11:25:46 AM »
I find it alarming that the team took 37 3s against a small, should be overmatched, team.  Ridiculous.  Can anyone play D???  Del St should not have broken 60.  Regressing.
Effective percentage from 3 was a bit higher than from 2 (of course hard to say how things would shake out, because more twos could lead to more turnovers or more fouls or more forced shots bringing the 2 point percentage down and 3 point percentage up or down), but a lot of threes isn't necessarily a bad thing. Especially since it didn't look like our big men were blowing them away when they did have the ball.   Offense wasn't great, but the problem was the defense as you noted. When was the last time St. John's looked this bad to start a season? Really tough to watch.

On a positive note, even though ponds didn't have the outside shot tonight, he's going to be a fun player to watch grow. He has a real nose for the ball, and he can dish it





Too many 3s  is always bad......you don't get to the line...in this case it is the result  of poor ball movement and lack of patience

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Re: Delaware St
« Reply #202 on: November 30, 2016, 11:26:11 AM »
Get a job guy! How long did it take you to find that post?

About 30 seconds. I have a very keen sense of stupid.

Re: Delaware St
« Reply #203 on: November 30, 2016, 11:32:33 AM »
No young athlete - now  a days - want to be yelled in public. - in practice its different but not in public where everybody can see it.

You are living in the past like you said Willis Reed is 75 years old your way of thinking about yelling at players is past it time - Bobby Knight couldn't coach now with his yelling and pulling on kids shirts.

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Re: Delaware St
« Reply #204 on: November 30, 2016, 11:49:31 AM »
No young athlete - now  a days - want to be yelled in public. - in practice its different but not in public where everybody can see it.

You are living in the past like you said Willis Reed is 75 years old your way of thinking about yelling at players is past it time - Bobby Knight couldn't coach now with his yelling and pulling on kids shirts.

Two things: first, consider using the quote function, it facilitates ease of discussion. Second, learn to read, I didn't say anything about the pros or cons of yelling. Other than that you made some good points though.

Re: Delaware St
« Reply #205 on: November 30, 2016, 11:59:46 AM »
College Professor - where do you teach your English class - so I could sign up.

I was making the point you will never get any recruits if you yell at the players in public - it doesn't work.

If you are a coach - I am sure you are not a college coach .

See what happened to Mike Rice - a great X and O coach - got fire because he did not handle the players right.
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Re: Delaware St
« Reply #206 on: November 30, 2016, 12:01:45 PM »
College Professor - where do you teach your English class - so I could sign up.

I was making the point you will never get any recruits if you yell at the players in public - it doesn't work.

Yes it's much better to lose to Delaware St in public

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Re: Delaware St
« Reply #207 on: November 30, 2016, 12:10:57 PM »
College Professor - where do you teach your English class - so I could sign up.

I was making the point you will never get any recruits if you yell at the players in public - it doesn't work.

If you are a coach - I am sure you are not a college coach .

See what happened to Mike Rice - a great X and O coach - got fire because he did not handle the players right.

Hey dopey, I was quoting somebody else who was talking about yelling. Quotation marks aren't college level learning! Exclamation points are! And semi;colons! Anyway, I didn't say anything about yelling! (I think Mike Rice is a sociopath!) who shouldn't be "allowed" around "children." 

Re: Delaware St
« Reply #208 on: November 30, 2016, 12:15:57 PM »
No young athlete - now  a days - want to be yelled in public. - in practice its different but not in public where everybody can see it.

You are living in the past like you said Willis Reed is 75 years old your way of thinking about yelling at players is past it time - Bobby Knight couldn't coach now with his yelling and pulling on kids shirts.

Most athletes nowadays don't care to be yelled at in public or behind closed doors.  Some coaches still do it.  Not to mention, there are other ways, has they've always been, to push buttons.

Frank Martin still yells at his players.  PJ Dozier is one of the main players whom Martin berates.  Dozier, a sophomore, is a former McDonald's AA and a legacy recruit.  He's also one of the Gamecocks' best players, and probably has the most NBA ability on the team.  Dozier doesn't always play fundamental defense, and he catches it from Martin, as it tends to get Dozier in foul trouble.  Dozier just casually sits on the bench, and barely says a word. 

I've watched quite a few college basketball games in this early season, and the Gamecocks play some of the best defense I've seen from any, collegiate team, so far, this season.

I'm not an advocate one way or the other when it comes to yelling.  It's all about personality makeup.  I rarely yelled at my players.  Some coaches don't yell nor curse at their players.  Some coaches yell and curse.  Whatever floats their boat.  Motivation, teaching, and coaching (I guess teaching and coaching can somewhat go hand-in-hand) is what it's about.

« Last Edit: November 30, 2016, 12:19:57 PM by mjdinkins »

Re: Delaware St
« Reply #209 on: November 30, 2016, 12:45:37 PM »
Ellison and Sima are awful. Freudenberg looks scared for some reason. Yakwe has the worst hands of any big man on the team.

Teams are gonna figure this out soon that if you shut down Ponds you beat us. We might not get 8 wins.

This is what I've been saying. Hire a fckn tough guy big man coach.!

If you reincarnated Pete Newell, Sima and Yakwe are not going to turn into Hakeem Olajuwon

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Re: Delaware St
« Reply #210 on: November 30, 2016, 12:48:41 PM »
I've always found it interesting that habits like yelling and losing your temper that would get you fired if you were a manager/coach/instructor in any other field are considered a positive trait for athletic coaches.

If you were teaching medical students would you scream in their faces while they worked on a cadaver?

You're rightly labeled a socoiopath and ushered out the door if you're a banker or law partner who berates their associates in front of a client. 

And you would be looked at like a crazy person if you threw a clipboard or headset during a meeting in any office in america.

Critical review is one thing.  But the theatrics and yelling wouldn't be acceptable in any other field.   Sports doesn't exactly pick from the cream of the management crop though so I'm not exactly surprised. 
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Re: Delaware St
« Reply #211 on: November 30, 2016, 12:50:26 PM »
My concern isn't the offense, its the defense. Some of that is personal, some coaching. The effort just isn't there. Doesn't matter how much taller and athletic we are if the other team plays harder. My concern with Mullin at this point is that he may not be concerned enough about the defense or subscribe to the notion that offense is the best defense. He played many years out west on teams that were not know for their defense, may not be a focus of his. Think Richmond is just fine, he will help with recruiting. Think the team would benefit with an experienced assistant to replace St. Jean. Make him the special assistant to help out with scouting. 

Re: Delaware St
« Reply #212 on: November 30, 2016, 12:59:05 PM »
MJ Dinkins - thanks for your post.

But I think if you are going to yell at players in public - you first have to get to know that player to see if he can handle it first.
Some people are more sensitive than others.
I just wish people would show some loyalty to the staff first especially Richmond.
Unless the person witness practice first hand they should not state that Richmond doesn't work hard through unnamed sources.
Richmond is just learning what college basketball is all about at least give him a chance before you say he is lazy.
He wouldn't became an Hall of Fame Player being lazy.

Re: Delaware St
« Reply #213 on: November 30, 2016, 01:22:20 PM »
MJ Dinkins - thanks for your post.

But I think if you are going to yell at players in public - you first have to get to know that player to see if he can handle it first.
Some people are more sensitive than others.
I just wish people would show some loyalty to the staff first especially Richmond.
Unless the person witness practice first hand they should not state that Richmond doesn't work hard through unnamed sources.
Richmond is just learning what college basketball is all about at least give him a chance before you say he is lazy.
He wouldn't became an Hall of Fame Player being lazy.

You're welcome. 

I agree, it's best to see whether a player can handle being yelled at in public before continuing to do so.  I've always been good at learning the personality of my personnel, and then handling things, accordingly. 

I don't have an issue with Richmond, and he's good for recruiting, as SJUFAN stated.  I believe some people get ahold of a term, and in this case, it's lazy, and run with it.  I'm not targeting Baldi or anyone else, but just speaking in general.  If it fits their narrative, then that's what it'll be in their minds. 

Maybe, Richmond or the staff isn't lazy.  Maybe, they aren't "all in," per se'.  Maybe, their style of going about everyday business seems or is perceived lazy, but it's more of a laid back approach.  I don't know.  I do know at the end of the day it's all about progressing and garnering wins.  Right now, it doesn't look like we're doing the former, and certainly not the latter.

I do believe they should move St. Jean into another role, and bring in a veteran college coach next season (if they're still around).
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Re: Delaware St
« Reply #214 on: November 30, 2016, 01:32:18 PM »
The lack of an Xs and Os guy looms large and is a failure of Mullin - he picked his own staff, he has no one to blame for himself.  He must correct this if he wants to have success.  This is the first game of his time as HC that has really worried me about the direction the program is going in. 

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Re: Delaware St
« Reply #215 on: November 30, 2016, 01:59:42 PM »
The players said it themselves, they overlooked the opponent. No excuse for that. You finish dead last in Atlantis and return with an ego? WTF. Practice should have been brutal today, if they bothered to practice that is.

Re: Delaware St
« Reply #216 on: November 30, 2016, 02:18:46 PM »
The players said it themselves, they overlooked the opponent. No excuse for that. You finish dead last in Atlantis and return with an ego? WTF. Practice should have been brutal today, if they bothered to practice that is.

Overlooked the opponent? What were they concentrating on? Powerhouse Tulane?

Re: Delaware St
« Reply #217 on: November 30, 2016, 02:26:13 PM »
The players said it themselves, they overlooked the opponent. No excuse for that. You finish dead last in Atlantis and return with an ego? WTF. Practice should have been brutal today, if they bothered to practice that is.

Overlooked the opponent? What were they concentrating on? Powerhouse Tulane?

Agree.  I doubt they overlooked Delaware State.  I think that was just talk by the players, as they had no other reasoning or excuse for last night's game (more like debacle).

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Re: Delaware St
« Reply #218 on: November 30, 2016, 03:35:15 PM »
The players said it themselves, they overlooked the opponent. No excuse for that. You finish dead last in Atlantis and return with an ego? WTF. Practice should have been brutal today, if they bothered to practice that is.

Overlooked the opponent? What were they concentrating on? Powerhouse Tulane?

Agree.  I doubt they overlooked Delaware State.  I think that was just talk by the players, as they had no other reasoning or excuse for last night's game (more like debacle).

That what Mussini said.

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« Reply #219 on: December 01, 2016, 12:57:11 PM »