Syracuse

Quote from: Lycidas on December 22, 2016, 12:05:20 AM

Having Mussini and Amar out hurt forced CM to tighten his rotation, going with only 3 guards and giving RF more time. I think some of our improved play tonight was a result of this tighter rotation.  Ellison, in particular, seems to perform better when he's not looking over his shoulder expecting to be yanked after every turnover, and RF certainly played loose and shot with greater confidence.  This was clearly Bashir's best and most under control performance of the year.

I'm not saying to dump Mussini from the rotation.  There are games where he will play and someone else won't, but I would prefer to see RF get the minutes that Amar's been getting. I think settling on an 8 man rotation improves everyone's focus and improves the team.  We're not deep enough to be playing 10 guys.

To a degree this is true. I do think Mussini has value. He's the best shooter on the team. Need to limit his minutes and increase his usage when in the game.

Ellison is really good. I know he's played poor at times but people tend to magnify every miss or turnover he has.

I agree w you on Ellison. We haven't seen the best version of him yet. But w Mussini, when he's out there, he gives the opposing team a wide open look. He wasn't the only doing that against Penn State and LIU, but he is simply limited physically. His minutes need to drop significantly. I would like to see him used the way Lavin used Max Hooper. If he's going to do one thing, and one thing only, we shouldn't throw him out there and hope that no one notices that he can't guard anyone.

WHere are the pessimists today?  The process seems to be working.  Particularly like the distribution of minutes today with everyone contributing.  When Mussini and Amar are back the starters will play a little less which will be a positive.  GREAT WIN, I'm smelling some BE wins.  Butler will be interesting.

Just when you put this team in your back mirror they pull off something like this.  I scheduled a dinner party last night because I thought there was no use watching a debacle against Syracuse.  I'm thinking they can win half their remaining games.  I hate being an SJU junkie...hate it.

I absolutely think it was beneficial not having either of those guys last night. I think Williams is ok. Decent shooter, but doesn't chuck like Amar. Teams will leave him wide open and he will score 4/6 a game.
Mussini helped us beat some of those bad teams. Without him we may not have 6 wins. His season is over in my opinion. Big east teams won't let him get a shot off.

Quote from: Lycidas on December 22, 2016, 12:05:20 AM

Having Mussini and Amar out hurt forced CM to tighten his rotation, going with only 3 guards and giving RF more time. I think some of our improved play tonight was a result of this tighter rotation.  Ellison, in particular, seems to perform better when he's not looking over his shoulder expecting to be yanked after every turnover, and RF certainly played loose and shot with greater confidence.  This was clearly Bashir's best and most under control performance of the year.

I'm not saying to dump Mussini from the rotation.  There are games where he will play and someone else won't, but I would prefer to see RF get the minutes that Amar's been getting. I think settling on an 8 man rotation improves everyone's focus and improves the team.  We're not deep enough to be playing 10 guys.

To a degree this is true. I do think Mussini has value. He's the best shooter on the team. Need to limit his minutes and increase his usage when in the game.

Ellison is really good. I know he's played poor at times but people tend to magnify every miss or turnover he has.

Mussini has to be wide open with his feet set. I do not think he is the best shooter on the team at all

Syracuse recap: http://www.bigeastboards.com/

The reality is we're not as bad as we showed against Penn State nor as good as we showed against Syracuse. The question is which of those games is closer to who we really are. It would be nice to double down against Butler and start a little BE streak.

Quote from: Dave on December 22, 2016, 12:33:58 AM

Quote from: Lycidas on December 22, 2016, 12:05:20 AM

Having Mussini and Amar out hurt forced CM to tighten his rotation, going with only 3 guards and giving RF more time. I think some of our improved play tonight was a result of this tighter rotation.  Ellison, in particular, seems to perform better when he's not looking over his shoulder expecting to be yanked after every turnover, and RF certainly played loose and shot with greater confidence.  This was clearly Bashir's best and most under control performance of the year.

I'm not saying to dump Mussini from the rotation.  There are games where he will play and someone else won't, but I would prefer to see RF get the minutes that Amar's been getting. I think settling on an 8 man rotation improves everyone's focus and improves the team.  We're not deep enough to be playing 10 guys.

To a degree this is true. I do think Mussini has value. He's the best shooter on the team. Need to limit his minutes and increase his usage when in the game.

Ellison is really good. I know he's played poor at times but people tend to magnify every miss or turnover he has.

Mussini has to be wide open with his feet set. I do not think he is the best shooter on the team at all

That isn't true. He has a nice crossover, step back, he can hit consistently. Sometimes off 1 foot.

I think we have better shot makers than Mussini (Ponds) but he is the best shooter. Quickest release and purest stroke.

Ellison has looked much better lately I must admit. As long as he stays under control and doesn't try to force things by making silly passes or turnovers then he should be a valuable piece to this team.

Rich is getting more comfortable every game as expected. His next step is to be more consistent from deep and convert at a higher rate driving to the hoop. The confidence is building and you see more glimpses of his talent every time out.

Given Ellison's play Mussini's minutes will lessen but he is still an integral part.  With Ponds and Lovett penetrating he will get looks when he is in.  Ellison finally cut down his TOs, which is key.  Feud looking good, Amar minutes will be minimal going forward.  Love the way Freud moves the ball.   

Syracuse people released game highlights:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2Ol1glrW5Y

Mussini is not Hooper.  Mussini can do far more than Hooper could.  Yes, Mussini is a weak defender, but he can handle the ball, get his shot off the dribble (though not regularly against quicker/bigger comp, at this point), and operate within the flow of an offense. 

Lavin didn't know how to use Hooper and I don't think most major conference teams could find a role for Hooper.  He fared better against mid major comp and playing with a PG who was a really good college player and could control the game at that level so that Hooper was able to get/make open looks, which outweighed the fact that he was a liability on defense and didn't bring anything else to the table.

There is a role for Mussini.  He is a streak shooter, like most, and when he's making shots off the bat he could be in the game and the team should find ways to get him looks.  When he comes out misfiring, he should head back to the bench until the team needs a burst or the opponent plays zone.

Mussini is not Hooper.  Mussini can do far more than Hooper could.  Yes, Mussini is a weak defender, but he can handle the ball, get his shot off the dribble (though not regularly against quicker/bigger comp, at this point), and operate within the flow of an offense. 

Lavin didn't know how to use Hooper and I don't think most major conference teams could find a role for Hooper.  He fared better against mid major comp and playing with a PG who was a really good college player and could control the game at that level so that Hooper was able to get/make open looks, which outweighed the fact that he was a liability on defense and didn't bring anything else to the table.

There is a role for Mussini.  He is a streak shooter, like most, and when he's making shots off the bat he could be in the game and the team should find ways to get him looks.  When he comes out misfiring, he should head back to the bench until the team needs a burst or the opponent plays zone.

Ponds, Lovett, Ahmed and now even Ellison are all shooting 40 percent plus from three and all of them bring something else to the table. What do we need a fifth shooter for, one who brings nothing else to the table?

Quote from: prjohnnies on December 22, 2016, 12:21:13 PM

Mussini is not Hooper.  Mussini can do far more than Hooper could.  Yes, Mussini is a weak defender, but he can handle the ball, get his shot off the dribble (though not regularly against quicker/bigger comp, at this point), and operate within the flow of an offense. 

Lavin didn't know how to use Hooper and I don't think most major conference teams could find a role for Hooper.  He fared better against mid major comp and playing with a PG who was a really good college player and could control the game at that level so that Hooper was able to get/make open looks, which outweighed the fact that he was a liability on defense and didn't bring anything else to the table.

There is a role for Mussini.  He is a streak shooter, like most, and when he's making shots off the bat he could be in the game and the team should find ways to get him looks.  When he comes out misfiring, he should head back to the bench until the team needs a burst or the opponent plays zone.

Ponds, Lovett, Ahmed and now even Ellison are all shooting 40 percent plus from three and all of them bring something else to the table. What do we need a fifth shooter for, one who brings nothing else to the table?

Agree

In games where those 4 are all shooting decently well, I agree that Rico's minutes should be very limited.   In games where Malik, Ponds, etc are struggling shooting the ball, and we need someone to knock down a three, I have no problem giving Mussini some burn for a few minutes at time.

Quote from: prjohnnies on December 22, 2016, 12:21:13 PM

Mussini is not Hooper.  Mussini can do far more than Hooper could.  Yes, Mussini is a weak defender, but he can handle the ball, get his shot off the dribble (though not regularly against quicker/bigger comp, at this point), and operate within the flow of an offense. 

Lavin didn't know how to use Hooper and I don't think most major conference teams could find a role for Hooper.  He fared better against mid major comp and playing with a PG who was a really good college player and could control the game at that level so that Hooper was able to get/make open looks, which outweighed the fact that he was a liability on defense and didn't bring anything else to the table.

There is a role for Mussini.  He is a streak shooter, like most, and when he's making shots off the bat he could be in the game and the team should find ways to get him looks.  When he comes out misfiring, he should head back to the bench until the team needs a burst or the opponent plays zone.

Ponds, Lovett, Ahmed and now even Ellison are all shooting 40 percent plus from three and all of them bring something else to the table. What do we need a fifth shooter for, one who brings nothing else to the table?

As I noted on the other board, I think everyone should aggregate their Great White Hope support to RF. Of the three candidates he has the best chance to have a future role 

In games where those 4 are all shooting decently well, I agree that Rico's minutes should be very limited.   In games where Malik, Ponds, etc are struggling shooting the ball, and we need someone to knock down a three, I have no problem giving Mussini some burn for a few minutes at time.

Fair enough. He's well-suited to being the eighth or ninth man.

As I noted on the other board, I think everyone should aggregate their Great White Hope support to RF. Of the three candidates he has the best chance to have a future role 

I will continue to root for all of our white players. Seriously though really wish you would get off this race BS.

Root for all the players the same regardless of the race.
I say something about Baldi - Celtics - comes down hard on me.
But somebody says something about race -its funny and nobody says anything

As I noted on the other board, I think everyone should aggregate their Great White Hope support to RF. Of the three candidates he has the best chance to have a future role 

Is this 1963? Your posts are disgraceful and you bring nothing to any conversation, you should be ashamed of yourself for writing that and posting it.

Root for all the players the same regardless of the race.
I say something about Baldi - Celtics - comes down hard on me.
But somebody says something about race -its funny and nobody says anything

Lesson learned Scheppy. Don't mess with Baldi