17-18 Starting 5

Clarke is not as big as many of you think. Dom pointer was much bigger. He is not close as wide as Anthony glover.

That is not accurate.  Clark is definitely bigger than Pointer

Quote from: TONYD3 on April 05, 2017, 08:40:47 AM

Clarke is not as big as many of you think. Dom pointer was much bigger. He is not close as wide as Anthony glover.

That is not accurate.  Clark is definitely bigger than Pointer

Don't bother. TonyD lives in an alternate reality where his vague memories comprise immutable truths. Ask him about the three magical minutes Joey DelaRosa played against dook in 2014, it's akin to Shelby Foote's take on the Civil War.

Clarke is not as big as many of you think. Dom pointer was much bigger. He is not close as wide as Anthony glover.

Clark is strong. Much more ripped up than Pointer was. Even as a senior.

Quote from: TONYD3 on April 05, 2017, 08:40:47 AM

Clarke is not as big as many of you think. Dom pointer was much bigger. He is not close as wide as Anthony glover.

That is not accurate.  Clark is definitely bigger than Pointer

He looks 6'5 to me . Not 6'7. I have stood next to him a few times . I think he is listed at 205 pounds. He does not look like an imposing inside player many of you think he is.

Quote from: Gray Chudney on April 05, 2017, 09:01:26 AM

Quote from: TONYD3 on April 05, 2017, 08:40:47 AM

Clarke is not as big as many of you think. Dom pointer was much bigger. He is not close as wide as Anthony glover.

That is not accurate.  Clark is definitely bigger than Pointer

He looks 6'5 to me . Not 6'7. I have stood next to him a few times . I think he is listed at 205 pounds. He does not look like an imposing inside player many of you think he is.

It's not even close. Clark is a beast. Look...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mK5aaFVnmlg
Clark is the biggest guy on Michigan State. It's not even close. That was us with Pointer at times, but look at Clark. He's ripped up like a Big Ten PF. 

Might it be time for a trip to the eye doctor? I'm half serious.

Quote from: Gray Chudney on April 05, 2017, 09:01:26 AM

Quote from: TONYD3 on April 05, 2017, 08:40:47 AM

Clarke is not as big as many of you think. Dom pointer was much bigger. He is not close as wide as Anthony glover.

That is not accurate.  Clark is definitely bigger than Pointer

He looks 6'5 to me . Not 6'7. I have stood next to him a few times . I think he is listed at 205 pounds. He does not look like an imposing inside player many of you think he is.

Clark is listed at 6-7 225. Pointer was listed at 6-5, 200. SImon is 6-5, 205. Perhaps you can't tell them apart.

Marvin Clark is explosive, and strong, but he's not a PF.  He's really a lot more of a wing forward like Caron butler or Glen Robinson JR or even Dom(not comparing level of ability).  People expecting him to be more of a post-type like Glover  but he's not.  It's why we could use one or two PF/C types as we don't have much right now. 

Quote from: Gray Chudney on April 05, 2017, 09:01:26 AM

Quote from: TONYD3 on April 05, 2017, 08:40:47 AM

Clarke is not as big as many of you think. Dom pointer was much bigger. He is not close as wide as Anthony glover.

That is not accurate.  Clark is definitely bigger than Pointer

He looks 6'5 to me . Not 6'7. I have stood next to him a few times . I think he is listed at 205 pounds. He does not look like an imposing inside player many of you think he is.

He's taller than Simon and Ellison, and he's definitely the strongest looking guy on the team.

I haven't seen anyone suggest that he is an imposing post player.  He's a tough and explosive combo forward who appears to rebound a bit.  He will definitely be helpful at the 4.

Marvin Clark is explosive, and strong, but he's not a PF.  He's really a lot more of a wing forward like Caron butler or Glen Robinson JR or even Dom(not comparing level of ability).  People expecting him to be more of a post-type like Glover  but he's not.  It's why we could use one or two PF/C types as we don't have much right now. 

I haven't really seen anyone who expects him to be a big post player. I think everyone thinks he will play the 4 most of the time and will rebound well. Seems like we all still know we need a big man and he wont solve our issues but I think he will rebound and score from the 4 spot which is something we need.

from that single play he looks strong and has some leaping ability, if he wants to box out he could definitely help us on the boards

https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2701742-cbb-teams-getting-a-boost-in-2017-18-from-players-youve-forgotten-about.amp.html

Season one was rough, season two was exciting and fun at times but frustrating, I think season 3 is going to be a lot of fun. The skill level on the court for this season as opposed to two years ago is ridiculous. We still need to add a couple more pieces but kudos to the staff for adding these talented kids. Now its time to go out and win games and if we do win 20 next year these two guys will be a big reason for the improvement on both ends.

Per Rothstein -

Word out of Jamaica is that St. John's is eyeing 3G look with Marcus Lovett, Shamorie Ponds, & Justin Simon with Bashir Ahmed at PF. #SJUBB

Per Rothstein -

Word out of Jamaica is that St. John's is eyeing 3G look with Marcus Lovett, Shamorie Ponds, & Justin Simon with Bashir Ahmed at PF. #SJUBB

No kidding Rothstein. Simon didn't come here to come off the bench

Tariq at the 5. He's the obvious choice, foul trouble is the only thing that keeps him on the bench at tipoff.

Per Rothstein -

Word out of Jamaica is that St. John's is eyeing 3G look with Marcus Lovett, Shamorie Ponds, & Justin Simon with Bashir Ahmed at PF. #SJUBB

So if Mussini leaves we have 3 guards left and all of them will start?

https://twitter.com/NICKIRV/status/868868011192532992

Marcus of course in a gym. Out in LA. Scary to think how much better he can actually get with a year underneath his belt.

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/3938917/marcus-lovett

Say he increases his 3pt% into the low 40% range, is it out of the realm for he and Shamorie to average 40ppg next year combined? These two and JSimon are going to be a scary good triumvirate. Bash at 4 after a Summer w Mitch and Chris? Sheesh, get me to November.

https://twitter.com/NICKIRV/status/868868011192532992

Marcus of course in a gym. Out in LA. Scary to think how much better he can actually get with a year underneath his belt.

He's more than likely hanging out with family at the EYBL AAU tournament with Mac Irvin out in Los Angeles.

Quote from: Gray Chudney on April 05, 2017, 09:01:26 AM

Quote from: TONYD3 on April 05, 2017, 08:40:47 AM

Clarke is not as big as many of you think. Dom pointer was much bigger. He is not close as wide as Anthony glover.

That is not accurate.  Clark is definitely bigger than Pointer

He looks 6'5 to me . Not 6'7. I have stood next to him a few times . I think he is listed at 205 pounds. He does not look like an imposing inside player many of you think he is.

Stop being stupid.  He's most commonly listed at 235. He's been 225 since high school.  He is the strongest looking player we've had since Anthony Glover bar none and you can tell his strength is functional by watching him play and by his football background. 

My guess for the starting five is:

Lovett
Ponds
Simon
Ahmed
Clark

Owens is clearly the best (only) option for the five, but he could only stay on the court 18.8 mpg and the staff seems to favor bringing him off the bench to preserve his fouls.  For that reason alone, I think they start small until he proves he can play 25 mpg or the staff stops being stubborn and plays a zone.

I can't get over TonyD saying a 6'5 196 Dom Pointer was much bigger than a 6'7 235 Clark.  Insanity.  I expect Clark to be a big time player this year.  I don't want put too much pressure on him, but I see all league potential if he has the motor and mindset.  I think his outside shooting will be around the 40% mark.  He will play only the four and the five for us like he did with Michigan St. I see a chance of Ahmed beating him out as the undersized PF, but we need at leas one of them to embrace that role. It's pretty sad that we have to rely on transfers to get strong kids.  The strength and conditioning team should be ashamed of themselves.