Mussini Gone

It does seem eerily similar to the Lavin recruiting model..

Quote from: Johnny23 on June 06, 2017, 09:20:43 PM

It does seem eerily similar to the Lavin recruiting model..

Yeah, no it doesn't. Lavin inherited a tournament team and had one good recruiting class followed by nothing. Mullin inherited nothing and threw together a haphazard team that he's now recruiting over. So that's kind of the opposite of the Lavin model.

There's not a team in the BE that would sweat Mussini leaving. He's not that good at the one thing he does well to make a difference anywhere. If we're sweating it they're to win 12 games again, with or without someone who might be the best eighth man in the big east.

Quote from: Foad on June 07, 2017, 10:01:19 AM

Quote from: Johnny23 on June 06, 2017, 09:20:43 PM

It does seem eerily similar to the Lavin recruiting model..

Yeah, no it doesn't. Lavin inherited a tournament team and had one good recruiting class followed by nothing. Mullin inherited nothing and threw together a haphazard team that he's now recruiting over. So that's kind of the opposite of the Lavin model.

There's not a team in the BE that would sweat Mussini leaving. He's not that good at the one thing he does well to make a difference anywhere. If we're sweating it they're to win 12 games again, with or without someone who might be the best eighth man in the big east.

It remains to be seen if Mullin's method will work better than Lavin's. This year will be a big measuring stick for CM and his ability to build a winning program. I'm cautiously optimistic.

Quote from: Johnny23 on June 07, 2017, 10:24:52 AM

Quote from: Foad on June 07, 2017, 10:01:19 AM

Quote from: Johnny23 on June 06, 2017, 09:20:43 PM

It does seem eerily similar to the Lavin recruiting model..

Yeah, no it doesn't. Lavin inherited a tournament team and had one good recruiting class followed by nothing. Mullin inherited nothing and threw together a haphazard team that he's now recruiting over. So that's kind of the opposite of the Lavin model.

There's not a team in the BE that would sweat Mussini leaving. He's not that good at the one thing he does well to make a difference anywhere. If we're sweating it they're to win 12 games again, with or without someone who might be the best eighth man in the big east.

It remains to be seen if Mullin's method will work better than Lavin's. This year will be a big measuring stick for CM and his ability to build a winning program. I'm cautiously optimistic.

I agree except not with the part where you call what Lavin did a method.

Quote from: Foad on June 07, 2017, 11:09:54 AM

Quote from: Johnny23 on June 07, 2017, 10:24:52 AM

Quote from: Foad on June 07, 2017, 10:01:19 AM

Quote from: Johnny23 on June 06, 2017, 09:20:43 PM

It does seem eerily similar to the Lavin recruiting model..

Yeah, no it doesn't. Lavin inherited a tournament team and had one good recruiting class followed by nothing. Mullin inherited nothing and threw together a haphazard team that he's now recruiting over. So that's kind of the opposite of the Lavin model.

There's not a team in the BE that would sweat Mussini leaving. He's not that good at the one thing he does well to make a difference anywhere. If we're sweating it they're to win 12 games again, with or without someone who might be the best eighth man in the big east.

It remains to be seen if Mullin's method will work better than Lavin's. This year will be a big measuring stick for CM and his ability to build a winning program. I'm cautiously optimistic.

I agree except not with the part where you call what Lavin did a method.

Rank their first year on the job:
A) Jarvis- Elite 8 team
B) Mahoney- Takes Louie bench guys to 2nd round and unleashes David Cain
C) Lavin- Ends the 20 year Norm drought by making the tourney. Recruits bunch of top 100 kids.

I would have to go A /C/ B

Quote from: Johnny23 on June 06, 2017, 09:20:43 PM

It does seem eerily similar to the Lavin recruiting model..

Yeah, no it doesn't. Lavin inherited a tournament team and had one good recruiting class followed by nothing. Mullin inherited nothing and threw together a haphazard team that he's now recruiting over. So that's kind of the opposite of the Lavin model.

There's not a team in the BE that would sweat Mussini leaving. He's not that good at the one thing he does well to make a difference anywhere. If we're sweating it they're to win 12 games again, with or without someone who might be the best eighth man in the big east.

He's not that good at the one thing he does well to make a difference anywhere. 

Quote from: Foad on June 07, 2017, 10:01:19 AM

He's not that good at the one thing he does well to make a difference anywhere. 

That's false.  He did that one thing better than all on our team and almost all in the conference:

3-POINT FG PCT Cl G 3FG FGA Pct.
1. HOWARD, Markus-MU Fr 31 82 150 . 5 4 7
2. HUFF,Cole-CU Sr 35 62 134 . 4 6 3
3. LINDSEY, Jalen-PC Jr 32 74 161 . 4 6 0
4. HAUSER, Sam-MU Fr 32 63 139 . 4 5 3
5. ROWSEY, Andrew-MU Jr 32 71 159 . 4 4 7
6. MUSSINI, Federico-SJU So 30 56 131 . 4 2 7
7. WOODSON, Avery-BU Sr 34 75 178 . 4 2 1
8. ZIERDEN,Isaiah-CU Sr 35 41 99 . 4 1 4
9. PRYOR, Rodney-GU Sr 32 84 204 . 4 1 2
10. HART,Josh-VU Sr 36 74 183 . 4 0 4
11. THOMAS,Khyri-CU So 35 46 117 . 3 9 3
BERNARD, Malcolm-XU Sr 38 46 117 . 3 9 3
13. BRIDGES,Mikal-VU So 36 44 112 . 3 9 3
14. CARRINGTON, Khadeen-SHU Jr 33 63 165 . 3 8 2
15. LOVETT, Marcus-SJU Fr 30 50 131 . 3 8 2

Quote from: Foad on June 07, 2017, 11:09:54 AM

Quote from: Johnny23 on June 07, 2017, 10:24:52 AM

Quote from: Foad on June 07, 2017, 10:01:19 AM

Quote from: Johnny23 on June 06, 2017, 09:20:43 PM

It does seem eerily similar to the Lavin recruiting model..

Yeah, no it doesn't. Lavin inherited a tournament team and had one good recruiting class followed by nothing. Mullin inherited nothing and threw together a haphazard team that he's now recruiting over. So that's kind of the opposite of the Lavin model.

There's not a team in the BE that would sweat Mussini leaving. He's not that good at the one thing he does well to make a difference anywhere. If we're sweating it they're to win 12 games again, with or without someone who might be the best eighth man in the big east.

It remains to be seen if Mullin's method will work better than Lavin's. This year will be a big measuring stick for CM and his ability to build a winning program. I'm cautiously optimistic.

I agree except not with the part where you call what Lavin did a method.

Rank their first year on the job:
A) Jarvis- Elite 8 team
B) Mahoney- Takes Louie bench guys to 2nd round and unleashes David Cain
C) Lavin- Ends the 20 year Norm drought by making the tourney. Recruits bunch of tip 100 kids.

I would have to go A /C/ B

Quote from: carmineabbatiello on June 07, 2017, 12:24:42 PM

Quote from: Foad on June 07, 2017, 10:01:19 AM

He's not that good at the one thing he does well to make a difference anywhere. 

That's false.  He did that one thing better than all on our team and almost all in the conference:

3-POINT FG PCT Cl G 3FG FGA Pct.
1. HOWARD, Markus-MU Fr 31 82 150 . 5 4 7
2. HUFF,Cole-CU Sr 35 62 134 . 4 6 3
3. LINDSEY, Jalen-PC Jr 32 74 161 . 4 6 0
4. HAUSER, Sam-MU Fr 32 63 139 . 4 5 3
5. ROWSEY, Andrew-MU Jr 32 71 159 . 4 4 7
6. MUSSINI, Federico-SJU So 30 56 131 . 4 2 7
7. WOODSON, Avery-BU Sr 34 75 178 . 4 2 1
8. ZIERDEN,Isaiah-CU Sr 35 41 99 . 4 1 4
9. PRYOR, Rodney-GU Sr 32 84 204 . 4 1 2
10. HART,Josh-VU Sr 36 74 183 . 4 0 4
11. THOMAS,Khyri-CU So 35 46 117 . 3 9 3
BERNARD, Malcolm-XU Sr 38 46 117 . 3 9 3
13. BRIDGES,Mikal-VU So 36 44 112 . 3 9 3
14. CARRINGTON, Khadeen-SHU Jr 33 63 165 . 3 8 2
15. LOVETT, Marcus-SJU Fr 30 50 131 . 3 8 2

MU has some good shooters.

Quote from: Johnny23 on June 06, 2017, 09:20:43 PM

It does seem eerily similar to the Lavin recruiting model..

Yeah, no it doesn't. Lavin inherited a tournament team and had one good recruiting class followed by nothing. Mullin inherited nothing and threw together a haphazard team that he's now recruiting over. So that's kind of the opposite of the Lavin model.

There's not a team in the BE that would sweat Mussini leaving. He's not that good at the one thing he does well to make a difference anywhere. If we're sweating it they're to win 12 games again, with or without someone who might be the best eighth man in the big east.

Lavin didn't inherit a tournament team.

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Lavin's problem, besides not being able to coach a lick,

Quote from: Marillac on June 07, 2017, 02:58:07 PM

Lavin didn't inherit a tournament team.

[...]

Lavin's problem, besides not being able to coach a lick,

So he inherited a group of players who did not comprise a tournament team, added one player who averaged four points a game, and despite his "not being able to coach a lick," he made the tournament. That's quite a feat.

Quote from: Marillac on June 07, 2017, 02:58:07 PM

Lavin didn't inherit a tournament team.

[...]

Lavin's problem, besides not being able to coach a lick,

So he inherited a group of players who did not comprise a tournament team, added one player who averaged four points a game, and despite his "not being able to coach a lick," he made the tournament. That's quite a feat.

Quote from: Foad on June 07, 2017, 03:33:11 PM

Quote from: Marillac on June 07, 2017, 02:58:07 PM

Lavin didn't inherit a tournament team.

[...]

Lavin's problem, besides not being able to coach a lick,

So he inherited a group of players who did not comprise a tournament team, added one player who averaged four points a game, and despite his "not being able to coach a lick," he made the tournament. That's quite a feat.

Maybe it was Dunlap but the single greatest thing Lavin has ever done regarding basketball was realizing that Norm's 6th and 7th men from the previous season were his two best basketball players. That right there put us in the tourney. Again whether that was a Dunlap thing or simple blind squirrel situation Lavin gets credit for it. If Norm was coaching that team we don't make the tourney!

Quote from: Foad on June 07, 2017, 10:01:19 AM

Quote from: Johnny23 on June 06, 2017, 09:20:43 PM

It does seem eerily similar to the Lavin recruiting model..

Yeah, no it doesn't. Lavin inherited a tournament team and had one good recruiting class followed by nothing. Mullin inherited nothing and threw together a haphazard team that he's now recruiting over. So that's kind of the opposite of the Lavin model.

There's not a team in the BE that would sweat Mussini leaving. He's not that good at the one thing he does well to make a difference anywhere. If we're sweating it they're to win 12 games again, with or without someone who might be the best eighth man in the big east.

Lavin didn't inherit a tournament team. He inherited a team that went 6-12 in conference as sophs and juniors -- a team that showed no growth whatsoever going from 8 sophs to 10 juniors (adding Brownlee and Hardy) even with getting back their highest rated recruit and 5th year senior, Mase Jr. Lavin added Polee, and Dunlap designed a defense and system specifically to suit their abilities.

Lavin also landed top recruits like this staff. Dom and Jordan were top 35,  Harrison, Sampson, and Harkless were top 50 (and Branch was 52), and Obekpa and Garrett were top 75. Even in his last year he rounded up #57 Brandon Sampson and a very quality player in Samir Doughty -- who, ironically, may be playing together soon at LSU.

Lavin's problem, besides not being able to coach a lick, was that he couldn't complete the roster. Between (mostly) poor planning and risk-taking, we played shorthanded every single season. Ineligibility, transfers, and players leaving to go pro left him scrambling. Well, RF and Mussini went pro (and Lovett tried), Williams, Jones, and Ellison transferred out (Amar tried last year), and Lovett was ineligible. So the staff scrambled last minute to add a three-star kid we were never eben mentioned with before May. How is that different from Lavin?

Missing the tournament and losing a year with an absolute star like Ponds because you don't have a backup big and a fourth guard would be completely inexcusble.

Quote from: we are sju on June 07, 2017, 03:42:12 PM

Quote from: Foad on June 07, 2017, 03:33:11 PM

Quote from: Marillac on June 07, 2017, 02:58:07 PM

Lavin didn't inherit a tournament team.

[...]

Lavin's problem, besides not being able to coach a lick,

So he inherited a group of players who did not comprise a tournament team, added one player who averaged four points a game, and despite his "not being able to coach a lick," he made the tournament. That's quite a feat.

Maybe it was Dunlap but the single greatest thing Lavin has ever done regarding basketball was realizing that Norm's 6th and 7th men from the previous season were his two best basketball players. That right there put us in the tourney. Again whether that was a Dunlap thing or simple blind squirrel situation Lavin gets credit for it. If Norm was coaching that team we don't make the tourney!

Lavin's first year with Norm's kids was one of the best squads to root for. I was there in Denver to watch them. 

Quote from: sju89tr on June 07, 2017, 03:46:21 PM

Quote from: we are sju on June 07, 2017, 03:42:12 PM

Quote from: Foad on June 07, 2017, 03:33:11 PM

Quote from: Marillac on June 07, 2017, 02:58:07 PM

Lavin didn't inherit a tournament team.

[...]

Lavin's problem, besides not being able to coach a lick,

So he inherited a group of players who did not comprise a tournament team, added one player who averaged four points a game, and despite his "not being able to coach a lick," he made the tournament. That's quite a feat.

Maybe it was Dunlap but the single greatest thing Lavin has ever done regarding basketball was realizing that Norm's 6th and 7th men from the previous season were his two best basketball players. That right there put us in the tourney. Again whether that was a Dunlap thing or simple blind squirrel situation Lavin gets credit for it. If Norm was coaching that team we don't make the tourney!

Lavin's first year with Norm's kids was one of the best squads to root for. I was there in Denver to watch them. 

And if Kennedy doesn't get hurt we probably have a better seed and maybe win a game or two.