Corruption Probe in the Recruiting Ranks

Quote from: fordham96 on September 27, 2017, 09:45:18 PM

Quote from: wpc77 on September 27, 2017, 09:01:59 PM

Quote from: Towerofshred on September 27, 2017, 08:31:20 PM

Quote from: HowCouldUBeSoHarkless on September 27, 2017, 07:33:57 PM

I mean remember we are the team that paid Abe Keita.

Im going to interject that the Keita payoff was a totally different animal. We took someone from Africa and gave him 200 or 400 per month so he would have some pocket money.  This was when we just opened the dorms, so the players lost their stipend.  In terms of that Louisville player, he took the highest offer to play for Pitino. 100k.

To some, that might not be a difference, but I think a distinction can be made.

C'mon let's not bs ourselves.  How did lovin Lavin get Rysheed? Why didn't Nova recruit him?

Dude Temple and Fran Dunphy who is as clean as a box of Clorox was all over him.  One of the big reasons he chose SJU over Temple was he wanted to get out of Philly...

Stop acting like kids who have issues after they leave suddenly proves the staff that recruited them should have known about what would happen after he left.

My point is going over everyone's heads.  I am not talkiing about what happened after he left, other than my snide remark about the slammer   This thread is about corruption in recruiting.

We all get your point, but your argument sort of doesnt make sense.  Youre saying Nova didnt recruit him, yet he didnt go to Nova because Lavin or some booster paid him to go to St Johns.

He had red flags all over him, and lazy Lavin needed bodies, so....

Quote from: wpc77 on September 27, 2017, 10:26:05 PM

Quote from: fordham96 on September 27, 2017, 09:45:18 PM

Quote from: wpc77 on September 27, 2017, 09:01:59 PM

Quote from: Towerofshred on September 27, 2017, 08:31:20 PM

Quote from: HowCouldUBeSoHarkless on September 27, 2017, 07:33:57 PM

I mean remember we are the team that paid Abe Keita.

Im going to interject that the Keita payoff was a totally different animal. We took someone from Africa and gave him 200 or 400 per month so he would have some pocket money.  This was when we just opened the dorms, so the players lost their stipend.  In terms of that Louisville player, he took the highest offer to play for Pitino. 100k.

To some, that might not be a difference, but I think a distinction can be made.

C'mon let's not bs ourselves.  How did lovin Lavin get Rysheed? Why didn't Nova recruit him?

Dude Temple and Fran Dunphy who is as clean as a box of Clorox was all over him.  One of the big reasons he chose SJU over Temple was he wanted to get out of Philly...

Stop acting like kids who have issues after they leave suddenly proves the staff that recruited them should have known about what would happen after he left.

My point is going over everyone's heads.  I am not talkiing about what happened after he left, other than my snide remark about the slammer   This thread is about corruption in recruiting.

We all get your point, but your argument sort of doesnt make sense.  Youre saying Nova didnt recruit him, yet he didnt go to Nova because Lavin or some booster paid him to go to St Johns.

He had red flags all over him, and lazy Lavin needed bodies, so....

What i remember about Jordan when we were recruiting him is that while in high school he had the additional responsibility of taking care of his younger siblings. He had no criminal record which is more than we can say for Brown. If Jordan was white he would have gotten a parking ticket.

Quote from: Towerofshred on September 27, 2017, 10:36:38 PM

Quote from: wpc77 on September 27, 2017, 10:26:05 PM

Quote from: fordham96 on September 27, 2017, 09:45:18 PM

Quote from: wpc77 on September 27, 2017, 09:01:59 PM

Quote from: Towerofshred on September 27, 2017, 08:31:20 PM

Quote from: HowCouldUBeSoHarkless on September 27, 2017, 07:33:57 PM

I mean remember we are the team that paid Abe Keita.

Im going to interject that the Keita payoff was a totally different animal. We took someone from Africa and gave him 200 or 400 per month so he would have some pocket money.  This was when we just opened the dorms, so the players lost their stipend.  In terms of that Louisville player, he took the highest offer to play for Pitino. 100k.

To some, that might not be a difference, but I think a distinction can be made.

C'mon let's not bs ourselves.  How did lovin Lavin get Rysheed? Why didn't Nova recruit him?

Dude Temple and Fran Dunphy who is as clean as a box of Clorox was all over him.  One of the big reasons he chose SJU over Temple was he wanted to get out of Philly...

Stop acting like kids who have issues after they leave suddenly proves the staff that recruited them should have known about what would happen after he left.

My point is going over everyone's heads.  I am not talkiing about what happened after he left, other than my snide remark about the slammer   This thread is about corruption in recruiting.

We all get your point, but your argument sort of doesnt make sense.  Youre saying Nova didnt recruit him, yet he didnt go to Nova because Lavin or some booster paid him to go to St Johns.

He had red flags all over him, and lazy Lavin needed bodies, so....

What i remember about Jordan when we were recruiting him is that while in high school he had the additional responsibility of taking care of his younger siblings. He had no criminal record which is more than we can say for Brown. If Jordan was white he would have gotten a parking ticket.

Are you alluding to his attempted murder charges and if he was white they only would have given him a parking ticket? Are you a radical black man or a self hating white man?

Quote from: Poison on September 27, 2017, 10:42:00 PM

Quote from: Towerofshred on September 27, 2017, 10:36:38 PM

Quote from: wpc77 on September 27, 2017, 10:26:05 PM

Quote from: fordham96 on September 27, 2017, 09:45:18 PM

Quote from: wpc77 on September 27, 2017, 09:01:59 PM

Quote from: Towerofshred on September 27, 2017, 08:31:20 PM

Quote from: HowCouldUBeSoHarkless on September 27, 2017, 07:33:57 PM

I mean remember we are the team that paid Abe Keita.

Im going to interject that the Keita payoff was a totally different animal. We took someone from Africa and gave him 200 or 400 per month so he would have some pocket money.  This was when we just opened the dorms, so the players lost their stipend.  In terms of that Louisville player, he took the highest offer to play for Pitino. 100k.

To some, that might not be a difference, but I think a distinction can be made.

C'mon let's not bs ourselves.  How did lovin Lavin get Rysheed? Why didn't Nova recruit him?

Dude Temple and Fran Dunphy who is as clean as a box of Clorox was all over him.  One of the big reasons he chose SJU over Temple was he wanted to get out of Philly...

Stop acting like kids who have issues after they leave suddenly proves the staff that recruited them should have known about what would happen after he left.

My point is going over everyone's heads.  I am not talkiing about what happened after he left, other than my snide remark about the slammer   This thread is about corruption in recruiting.

We all get your point, but your argument sort of doesnt make sense.  Youre saying Nova didnt recruit him, yet he didnt go to Nova because Lavin or some booster paid him to go to St Johns.

He had red flags all over him, and lazy Lavin needed bodies, so....

What i remember about Jordan when we were recruiting him is that while in high school he had the additional responsibility of taking care of his younger siblings. He had no criminal record which is more than we can say for Brown. If Jordan was white he would have gotten a parking ticket.

Are you alluding to his attempted murder charges and if he was white they only would have given him a parking ticket? Are you a radical black man or a self hating white man?

He's a classic cuck.

Quote from: wpc77 on September 27, 2017, 10:26:05 PM

Quote from: fordham96 on September 27, 2017, 09:45:18 PM

Quote from: wpc77 on September 27, 2017, 09:01:59 PM

Quote from: Towerofshred on September 27, 2017, 08:31:20 PM

Quote from: HowCouldUBeSoHarkless on September 27, 2017, 07:33:57 PM

I mean remember we are the team that paid Abe Keita.

Im going to interject that the Keita payoff was a totally different animal. We took someone from Africa and gave him 200 or 400 per month so he would have some pocket money.  This was when we just opened the dorms, so the players lost their stipend.  In terms of that Louisville player, he took the highest offer to play for Pitino. 100k.

To some, that might not be a difference, but I think a distinction can be made.

C'mon let's not bs ourselves.  How did lovin Lavin get Rysheed? Why didn't Nova recruit him?

Dude Temple and Fran Dunphy who is as clean as a box of Clorox was all over him.  One of the big reasons he chose SJU over Temple was he wanted to get out of Philly...

Stop acting like kids who have issues after they leave suddenly proves the staff that recruited them should have known about what would happen after he left.

My point is going over everyone's heads.  I am not talkiing about what happened after he left, other than my snide remark about the slammer   This thread is about corruption in recruiting.

We all get your point, but your argument sort of doesnt make sense.  Youre saying Nova didnt recruit him, yet he didnt go to Nova because Lavin or some booster paid him to go to St Johns.

He had red flags all over him, and lazy Lavin needed bodies, so....

Lavin may have slacked off, but the recruitment of Jordan didn't have anything to do with being lazy.  Some of y'all are silly. 

Speaking of lethargic....  Nevermind.

Quote from: Poison on September 27, 2017, 10:42:00 PM

Quote from: Towerofshred on September 27, 2017, 10:36:38 PM

Quote from: wpc77 on September 27, 2017, 10:26:05 PM

Quote from: fordham96 on September 27, 2017, 09:45:18 PM

Quote from: wpc77 on September 27, 2017, 09:01:59 PM

Quote from: Towerofshred on September 27, 2017, 08:31:20 PM

Quote from: HowCouldUBeSoHarkless on September 27, 2017, 07:33:57 PM

I mean remember we are the team that paid Abe Keita.

Im going to interject that the Keita payoff was a totally different animal. We took someone from Africa and gave him 200 or 400 per month so he would have some pocket money.  This was when we just opened the dorms, so the players lost their stipend.  In terms of that Louisville player, he took the highest offer to play for Pitino. 100k.

To some, that might not be a difference, but I think a distinction can be made.

C'mon let's not bs ourselves.  How did lovin Lavin get Rysheed? Why didn't Nova recruit him?

Dude Temple and Fran Dunphy who is as clean as a box of Clorox was all over him.  One of the big reasons he chose SJU over Temple was he wanted to get out of Philly...

Stop acting like kids who have issues after they leave suddenly proves the staff that recruited them should have known about what would happen after he left.

My point is going over everyone's heads.  I am not talkiing about what happened after he left, other than my snide remark about the slammer   This thread is about corruption in recruiting.

We all get your point, but your argument sort of doesnt make sense.  Youre saying Nova didnt recruit him, yet he didnt go to Nova because Lavin or some booster paid him to go to St Johns.

He had red flags all over him, and lazy Lavin needed bodies, so....

What i remember about Jordan when we were recruiting him is that while in high school he had the additional responsibility of taking care of his younger siblings. He had no criminal record which is more than we can say for Brown. If Jordan was white he would have gotten a parking ticket.

Are you alluding to his attempted murder charges and if he was white they only would have given him a parking ticket? Are you a radical black man or a self hating white man?

You're right, that's probably not what would have happened. He would have been found innocent.

So wait...only now that there is an FBI investigation that caused Pitino to lose his job over we are going to throw him under the bus? College sports is a dirty business, with or without the arrests. When Mullin leaves, Pitino would be my first phone call. If you don't think rat face isn't doing the same thing your fooling yourselves. Some years ago they "changed" their strategy and began "recruiting" one and done players. Are you kidding me? So you think a kid is going to turn down a $100k from "other" programs just to play for rat face for one year? Wake up. They got caught, good for them and better for us. Pitino is a great coach and as long as the institution (which we won't) doesn't support those antics he would do excellent here.

So wait...only now that there is an FBI investigation that caused Pitino to lose his job over we are going to throw him under the bus? College sports is a dirty business, with or without the arrests. When Mullin leaves, Pitino would be my first phone call. If you don't think rat face isn't doing the same thing your fooling yourselves. Some years ago they "changed" their strategy and began "recruiting" one and done players. Are you kidding me? So you think a kid is going to turn down a $100k from "other" programs just to play for rat face for one year? Wake up. They got caught, good for them and better for us. Pitino is a great coach and as long as the institution (which we won't) doesn't support those antics he would do excellent here.

Moderation is your friend

Gonna be another interesting day in college basketball.  Get your popcorn ready.

Gonna be another interesting day in college basketball.  Get your popcorn ready.

Kudos to the SDNY USA.
What timing!  Hes sure making the start of practice interesting.

So wait...only now that there is an FBI investigation that caused Pitino to lose his job over we are going to throw him under the bus? College sports is a dirty business, with or without the arrests. When Mullin leaves, Pitino would be my first phone call. If you don't think rat face isn't doing the same thing your fooling yourselves. Some years ago they "changed" their strategy and began "recruiting" one and done players. Are you kidding me? So you think a kid is going to turn down a $100k from "other" programs just to play for rat face for one year? Wake up. They got caught, good for them and better for us. Pitino is a great coach and as long as the institution (which we won't) doesn't support those antics he would do excellent here.

I doubt Coach K's assistants are involved in wiring cash to anyone.  Not saying they aren't finding a different way to skirt the rules, but I'd bet money this investigation uncovers nothing negative on Duke.

Who's going down today?

Who's going down today?

probably South Carolina

https://www.azdesertswarm.com/recruiting/2017/9/26/16370328/nassir-little-tweets-deletes-reopened-basketball-recruiting-arizona-adidas-miami-visit-bribe-money

So Little tweeted (and then deleted) that he was reopening his recruitment.  Sounds like Zona was a done deal.  Shocker.

https://www.azdesertswarm.com/recruiting/2017/9/26/16370328/nassir-little-tweets-deletes-reopened-basketball-recruiting-arizona-adidas-miami-visit-bribe-money

So Little tweeted (and then deleted) that he was reopening his recruitment.  Sounds like Zona was a done deal.  Shocker.

Get that passport ready Nas

Quote from: SJUFAN on September 28, 2017, 12:50:21 AM

So wait...only now that there is an FBI investigation that caused Pitino to lose his job over we are going to throw him under the bus? College sports is a dirty business, with or without the arrests. When Mullin leaves, Pitino would be my first phone call. If you don't think rat face isn't doing the same thing your fooling yourselves. Some years ago they "changed" their strategy and began "recruiting" one and done players. Are you kidding me? So you think a kid is going to turn down a $100k from "other" programs just to play for rat face for one year? Wake up. They got caught, good for them and better for us. Pitino is a great coach and as long as the institution (which we won't) doesn't support those antics he would do excellent here.

I doubt Coach K's assistants are involved in wiring cash to anyone.  Not saying they aren't finding a different way to skirt the rules, but I'd bet money this investigation uncovers nothing negative on Duke.

So because the assistants or Coach K may not be directly involved its not the same? Pitino probably wasn't directly involved either, most coaches like to be able to play dumb. Duke is landing players we know were being recruited by these assistant coaches who we now know for sure would pay for their services. Yet some players still ended up at puke? Why would a kid turn down money for his family to play one year at Duke? They wouldn't. It is what it is, If i was a school like St. John's, I would still hire Pitino. Other bigger programs wouldn't need to, but we do. Now if Pitino was directly involved that would be a different story.

Quote from: Tha Kid on September 28, 2017, 09:22:17 AM

Quote from: SJUFAN on September 28, 2017, 12:50:21 AM

So wait...only now that there is an FBI investigation that caused Pitino to lose his job over we are going to throw him under the bus? College sports is a dirty business, with or without the arrests. When Mullin leaves, Pitino would be my first phone call. If you don't think rat face isn't doing the same thing your fooling yourselves. Some years ago they "changed" their strategy and began "recruiting" one and done players. Are you kidding me? So you think a kid is going to turn down a $100k from "other" programs just to play for rat face for one year? Wake up. They got caught, good for them and better for us. Pitino is a great coach and as long as the institution (which we won't) doesn't support those antics he would do excellent here.

I doubt Coach K's assistants are involved in wiring cash to anyone.  Not saying they aren't finding a different way to skirt the rules, but I'd bet money this investigation uncovers nothing negative on Duke.

So because the assistants or Coach K may not be directly involved its not the same? Pitino probably wasn't directly involved either, most coaches like to be able to play dumb. Duke is landing players we know were being recruited by these assistant coaches who we now know for sure would pay for their services. Yet some players still ended up at puke? Why would a kid turn down money for his family to play one year at Duke? They wouldn't. It is what it is, If i was a school like St. John's, I would still hire Pitino. Other bigger programs wouldn't need to, but we do. Now if Pitino was directly involved that would be a different story.

PITINO WAS DIRECTLY INVOLVED.  It's as shocking to me as you.  He's Coach-2 in the complaint.  Unreal.

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/20848092/louisville-cardinals-basketball-coach-rick-pitino-coach-2-federal-complaint-source

Quote from: Tha Kid on September 28, 2017, 09:22:17 AM

Quote from: SJUFAN on September 28, 2017, 12:50:21 AM

So wait...only now that there is an FBI investigation that caused Pitino to lose his job over we are going to throw him under the bus? College sports is a dirty business, with or without the arrests. When Mullin leaves, Pitino would be my first phone call. If you don't think rat face isn't doing the same thing your fooling yourselves. Some years ago they "changed" their strategy and began "recruiting" one and done players. Are you kidding me? So you think a kid is going to turn down a $100k from "other" programs just to play for rat face for one year? Wake up. They got caught, good for them and better for us. Pitino is a great coach and as long as the institution (which we won't) doesn't support those antics he would do excellent here.

I doubt Coach K's assistants are involved in wiring cash to anyone.  Not saying they aren't finding a different way to skirt the rules, but I'd bet money this investigation uncovers nothing negative on Duke.

So because the assistants or Coach K may not be directly involved its not the same? Pitino probably wasn't directly involved either, most coaches like to be able to play dumb. Duke is landing players we know were being recruited by these assistant coaches who we now know for sure would pay for their services. Yet some players still ended up at puke? Why would a kid turn down money for his family to play one year at Duke? They wouldn't. It is what it is, If i was a school like St. John's, I would still hire Pitino. Other bigger programs wouldn't need to, but we do. Now if Pitino was directly involved that would be a different story.

If you think a coach who can swim underwater for two miles and enter a recruit's apartment via the toilet is going to get caught paying players you're delusional.

Quote from: Tha Kid on September 28, 2017, 09:22:17 AM

Quote from: SJUFAN on September 28, 2017, 12:50:21 AM

So wait...only now that there is an FBI investigation that caused Pitino to lose his job over we are going to throw him under the bus? College sports is a dirty business, with or without the arrests. When Mullin leaves, Pitino would be my first phone call. If you don't think rat face isn't doing the same thing your fooling yourselves. Some years ago they "changed" their strategy and began "recruiting" one and done players. Are you kidding me? So you think a kid is going to turn down a $100k from "other" programs just to play for rat face for one year? Wake up. They got caught, good for them and better for us. Pitino is a great coach and as long as the institution (which we won't) doesn't support those antics he would do excellent here.

I doubt Coach K's assistants are involved in wiring cash to anyone.  Not saying they aren't finding a different way to skirt the rules, but I'd bet money this investigation uncovers nothing negative on Duke.

So because the assistants or Coach K may not be directly involved its not the same? Pitino probably wasn't directly involved either, most coaches like to be able to play dumb. Duke is landing players we know were being recruited by these assistant coaches who we now know for sure would pay for their services. Yet some players still ended up at puke? Why would a kid turn down money for his family to play one year at Duke? They wouldn't. It is what it is, If i was a school like St. John's, I would still hire Pitino. Other bigger programs wouldn't need to, but we do. Now if Pitino was directly involved that would be a different story.

And no, it's not the same if it's boosters alone and no involvement from anyone in the athletic department.   I would think if Duke was cheating you would find players' relatives finding jobs in NC at private companies and receiving undisclosed salaries, or buying houses at significant discounts.  It's a LOT harder to prove.  But perhaps I'm wrong/being naive.