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Re: Creighton Game 1
« Reply #140 on: January 03, 2018, 10:38:35 PM »
Quote from: we are sju on January 03, 2018, 10:34:56 PM
Quote from: section3 on January 03, 2018, 10:31:34 PM
Quote from: RedmenNYC on January 03, 2018, 10:26:29 PM
From the three point line, Ponds seems to be shooting it flatter than last year.  Also I notice him kicking his legs kinda side-to-side instead of straight up and down.  Three point shot selection is worse than last year as well. 

Additionally, he's the focus of defenses now... it all adds up.

He's so talented and so smooth, that he'll hit hard shots, so he'll keep on taking them.  It's a fool's gold to keep on going back to hard shots.

Essentially, the degree of difficulty is way up on his shots... that, and he's shooting it too flat.  He needs arc on it. 

He's an absolute assassin with the ball in his hand; just need him to a be a little more efficient of an assassin.

Yep. He is short on most shots. Hopefully, one big game can jump start him

He is a volume streaky shooter because he does not have good form. Almost like a touch golfer with poor technique. He is great going to the basket and a tough rebounder. Terrible defender. But so is Simon and Ahmed. Should play zone because they are quick and have quick hands. Closeouts on three point shooters would be a disaster though.

Good point on the 'touch golfer' analogy.
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Re: Creighton Game 1
« Reply #141 on: January 03, 2018, 10:40:24 PM »
Yakwe and Amar are awful. Trimble just not at this level....non existent.

The remaining guys will burn out w/o Lovett.

We killed them on steals 13-1, and only had 7 turnovers.

I don't mind Owens shooting from 3. At this point, more confident in him making realistic 3's and opening up floor, then Ponds continuing to go 1 or 2 of 7 on jacked up shots.

Mullin got redder than a tomato when team shot their load after the half.  Had no answer.

Bad at making adjustments.

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Re: Creighton Game 1
« Reply #142 on: January 03, 2018, 10:41:06 PM »
Quote from: goredmen on January 03, 2018, 10:38:24 PM
Here's an interesting stat from today's game:

Amar Alibegovich 12 mins played
Kassoum Yakwe 2 mins played

It is extremely disappointing that Yakwe has no role on this team after all the promise he showed as a freshman. If he's still here next year he must really love the school.
Yes, but more disappointing to see Alibegovic get anything but garbage minutes.
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Re: Creighton Game 1
« Reply #143 on: January 03, 2018, 10:42:56 PM »
One more point... and an obvious one;  we missed two big free-throws at the end of the game.
Some element of that has to do with tired legs shooting FTs. 

Next year, when finally, in seemingly 15 years, we will have a full balanced team.  finally!

...Then we make those FT's and we win.
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Re: Creighton Game 1
« Reply #144 on: January 03, 2018, 10:47:31 PM »
Ponds' 3 right before the half is symbolic of his play and Mullin's coaching. Instead of holding the ball and getting a good look on the last possession, he took a heat check 3 from almost out of bounds. It's silly and in my opinion ultimately losing basketball. Playing fast and loose is fun and looks great at times, but is it really going to win enough games in the Big East?

Very frustrating.
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« Reply #145 on: January 03, 2018, 10:49:10 PM »
This loss is on Mullin.  He has no idea how to control a game. He thinks he's in the NBA with 5 super options.
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Re: Creighton Game 1
« Reply #146 on: January 03, 2018, 10:49:16 PM »
Quote from: RedmenNYC on January 03, 2018, 10:42:56 PM
One more point... and an obvious one;  we missed two big free-throws at the end of the game.
Some element of that has to do with tired legs shooting FTs. 

Next year, when finally, in seemingly 15 years, we will have a full balanced team.  finally!

...Then we make those FT's and we win.


Don't give up on this season yet.

Plenty of time and lots of winnable games and if they can get some momentum this thing will turn.

This one stings because they were the better team for the first 30 minutes and this would have been Mullin's best win by far...

But season is not over yet...
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Re: Creighton Game 1
« Reply #147 on: January 03, 2018, 10:50:46 PM »
Agree totally on that Ponds 3 before half.

No reason for that.  Shows they were content w/ 10 going into break and not going for simple ball, easy baskets
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Re: Creighton Game 1
« Reply #148 on: January 03, 2018, 10:54:43 PM »
Quote from: RedmenNYC link=topic=10669.msg285097#msg285097 date=1515037376

Next year, when finally, in seemingly 15 years, we will have a full balanced team.  finally!

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The good news is that next year Ali will be gone and Yakwe and Trimble should not see one minute of big east play!! 
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Re: Creighton Game 1
« Reply #149 on: January 03, 2018, 10:55:54 PM »
Quote from: we are sju on January 03, 2018, 10:21:06 PM
Quote from: section3 on January 03, 2018, 10:19:12 PM
Quote from: we are sju on January 03, 2018, 10:13:01 PM
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Quote from: Marillac on January 03, 2018, 09:56:58 PM
We are a stupid team and poorly coached. How anyone not named Ponds is allowed to touch the ball at the the end of games is a mystery to me and every single opposing coach. This team has absolutely no discipline. Owens is allowed to take contested whenever he wants now? See you guys next year.

You are making me dislike Ponds.
He can't shoot and needs to take better shots. Missed a big free throw.
He is a good player but not a program changer. .
There is only so much you can do w/o Lovett they only have 5 quality BE players.
Terrible roster management.
Yakwe has gone from good to really bad to invisible.
Trimble is a freshman, but not a good one.
Amar....Staff's fault he is forced to play. See roster management issue.



Get Ponds off the best defender in the conference. Make them switch or get him going downhill off double-screens. Why is this not an option? Every single coach wants someone other than Ponds to beat them. This team can't dribble. That's not Ponds' fault.

He is a good player but not a first team all conference player and certainly not what you are pumping him as. You are drifting dangerously into Carmine territory with him. All that is missing is a silly pet nickname and you are there. Ponds would be great in an up-tempo offense with some athletic bigs that can score. Tough to play that way when you are playing iron man basketball. Ponds is not Hatten, he needs help. Doubt Lovett comes back and as well as he played I do not trust Ahmed.
Ponds is absolutely a first team  all conference player. Just not shooting like one so far. Not sure what is wrong with his shot. He was a good shooter last year.

For a guy who is shooting 20% from 3, he finds more  ways to score.

He absolutely will not make 1st team unless they name 9 guys like they did when BE had like 18 teams
Bollocks. He's the only Big East player in 2019 mocks drafts. St. John's needs a true PG like your boys Boothe or Geno to play 15-20 mpg and get him some looks.
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Re: Creighton Game 1
« Reply #150 on: January 03, 2018, 10:56:35 PM »
Quote from: fordham96 on January 03, 2018, 10:49:16 PM
Quote from: RedmenNYC on January 03, 2018, 10:42:56 PM
One more point... and an obvious one;  we missed two big free-throws at the end of the game.
Some element of that has to do with tired legs shooting FTs. 

Next year, when finally, in seemingly 15 years, we will have a full balanced team.  finally!

...Then we make those FT's and we win.


Don't give up on this season yet.

Plenty of time and lots of winnable games and if they can get some momentum this thing will turn.

This one stings because they were the better team for the first 30 minutes and this would have been Mullin's best win by far...

But season is not over yet...

What is your definition of the season not being over yet?

If it's an NIT appearance and showing progress and growth over the next 2 months then the season is far from over

If it's an at large NCAA tournament bid then yes, the season over.

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Marillac

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Re: Creighton Game 1
« Reply #151 on: January 03, 2018, 10:57:17 PM »
Quote from: fordham96 on January 03, 2018, 10:49:16 PM
Quote from: RedmenNYC on January 03, 2018, 10:42:56 PM
One more point... and an obvious one;  we missed two big free-throws at the end of the game.
Some element of that has to do with tired legs shooting FTs. 

Next year, when finally, in seemingly 15 years, we will have a full balanced team.  finally!

...Then we make those FT's and we win.


Don't give up on this season yet.

Plenty of time and lots of winnable games and if they can get some momentum this thing will turn.

This one stings because they were the better team for the first 30 minutes and this would have been Mullin's best win by far...

But season is not over yet...

Yes it is unless you want to see if we can make a run for the NIT.
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Re: Creighton Game 1
« Reply #152 on: January 03, 2018, 11:02:59 PM »
Quote from: SJUhoopNUT on January 03, 2018, 10:47:31 PM
Ponds' 3 right before the half is symbolic of his play and Mullin's coaching. Instead of holding the ball and getting a good look on the last possession, he took a heat check 3 from almost out of bounds. It's silly and in my opinion ultimately losing basketball. Playing fast and loose is fun and looks great at times, but is it really going to win enough games in the Big East?

Very frustrating.

I didn't like that shot, either.  We clearly had momentum, and I was hoping for us to use some clock and run a play for a good shot.

It can be conducive to losing ball and symbolic of what we do.
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RedStormNC

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Re: Creighton Game 1
« Reply #153 on: January 03, 2018, 11:09:33 PM »
I realize NIT would still be progress, but really don't care about  NIT...just seems so irrelevant.
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Re: Creighton Game 1
« Reply #154 on: January 03, 2018, 11:12:32 PM »
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Re: Creighton Game 1
« Reply #155 on: January 03, 2018, 11:14:42 PM »
I’m tired of hearing about next year last time we won a tournament game I was in 7th grade.
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mullin85berry86

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Re: Creighton Game 1
« Reply #156 on: January 03, 2018, 11:19:51 PM »
Quote from: fordham96 on January 03, 2018, 10:49:16 PM
Quote from: RedmenNYC on January 03, 2018, 10:42:56 PM
One more point... and an obvious one;  we missed two big free-throws at the end of the game.
Some element of that has to do with tired legs shooting FTs. 

Next year, when finally, in seemingly 15 years, we will have a full balanced team.  finally!

...Then we make those FT's and we win.


Don't give up on this season yet.

Plenty of time and lots of winnable games and if they can get some momentum this thing will turn.

This one stings because they were the better team for the first 30 minutes and this would have been Mullin's best win by far...

But season is not over yet...

With no bench how do we win?
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nudginator59

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Re: Creighton Game 1
« Reply #157 on: January 03, 2018, 11:48:39 PM »
Quote from: mullin85berry86 on January 03, 2018, 11:19:51 PM
Quote from: fordham96 on January 03, 2018, 10:49:16 PM
Quote from: RedmenNYC on January 03, 2018, 10:42:56 PM
One more point... and an obvious one;  we missed two big free-throws at the end of the game.
Some element of that has to do with tired legs shooting FTs. 

Next year, when finally, in seemingly 15 years, we will have a full balanced team.  finally!

...Then we make those FT's and we win.


Don't give up on this season yet.

Plenty of time and lots of winnable games and if they can get some momentum this thing will turn.

This one stings because they were the better team for the first 30 minutes and this would have been Mullin's best win by far...

But season is not over yet...

With no bench how do we win?

The bench wasn’t an issue here, it was bad decision making, and choking at the  free throw line. They let this game slip away. Maybe this really pissed everyone off and will rally the team for a run. Out of the first three games  Seton Hall was the only one that felt  like they just got beat. The other two felt like they pissed away chances...
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Re: Creighton Game 1
« Reply #158 on: January 04, 2018, 03:02:25 AM »
Quote from: nudginator59 on January 03, 2018, 11:48:39 PM
Quote from: mullin85berry86 on January 03, 2018, 11:19:51 PM
Quote from: fordham96 on January 03, 2018, 10:49:16 PM
Quote from: RedmenNYC on January 03, 2018, 10:42:56 PM
One more point... and an obvious one;  we missed two big free-throws at the end of the game.
Some element of that has to do with tired legs shooting FTs. 

Next year, when finally, in seemingly 15 years, we will have a full balanced team.  finally!

...Then we make those FT's and we win.


Don't give up on this season yet.

Plenty of time and lots of winnable games and if they can get some momentum this thing will turn.

This one stings because they were the better team for the first 30 minutes and this would have been Mullin's best win by far...

But season is not over yet...

With no bench how do we win?

The bench wasn’t an issue here, it was bad decision making, and choking at the  free throw line. They let this game slip away. Maybe this really pissed everyone off and will rally the team for a run. Out of the first three games  Seton Hall was the only one that felt  like they just got beat. The other two felt like they pissed away chances...

Nud, our starters will battle the other starters, then bettle their bench. wtf do we have? Trimble, Ali, and Yakwe????
They're good for nothing.    wtf was the bench score tonight?
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Re: Creighton Game 1
« Reply #159 on: January 04, 2018, 10:20:19 AM »
A quick review of the BE season to date. 

Providence, a bad loss.

Seton Hall, hung tough in their home gym, a decent performance.

Creighton, a good game.  In it to the end against a team that is very tough on their home court. 

The gloom and doom exhibited by the vast majority of posters is absurd.  Because of the short bench we are going to have problems and the rebounding is awful, -18.  However the team quickness led to 13 steals (against 1), a great stat.  The obvious observations made by the posters are valid and notate the teams's problems but few realize that, with the exception of the providence game,  the overall performance of the team has been very good.  Losing to 2 ranked teams at home is not a disgrace.  With Lovett out it should be expected.  We have a lot of home games left against teams that can and should be beaten.  My only significant worry is the short bench which can lead to a tired last five minutes and an inability to close.  LASTLY, LETS GET THE BALL IN PONDS' HANDS AT THE END OF THE GAME AND HOPEFULLY HE WILL GO TO THE HOOP SINCE HIS SHOT IS OFF.  He looks like he is drifting which is the kiss of death from 3.  The man can draw fouls in his sleep going to the hoop.     
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