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Here are Georgetown's wins this year:

Jacksonville, Mt. St. Mary's, MD Eastern Shore, Richmond (road), Maine, Coppin St., Howard, NC A & T, North Texas, Alabama A & M, DePaul and SJU on the road.

That is not a misprint.  With that type of resume so far I think Patrick Ewing is the next Tom Izzo, what do you think?  Although I am not sure they would have beaten MD Eastern Shore without the staff he put together, good thing he hired Louis Orr for that game.  Drew up some unbelievable plays for Govan or else they may have only won by 20 instead of 26...

Quote from: fordham96 on January 10, 2018, 01:13:19 PM

Here are Georgetown's wins this year:

Jacksonville, Mt. St. Mary's, MD Eastern Shore, Richmond (road), Maine, Coppin St., Howard, NC A & T, North Texas, Alabama A & M, DePaul and SJU on the road.

That is not a misprint.  With that type of resume so far I think Patrick Ewing is the next Tom Izzo, what do you think?  Although I am not sure they would have beaten MD Eastern Shore without the staff he put together, good thing he hired Louis Orr for that game.  Drew up some unbelievable plays for Govan or else they may have only won by 20 instead of 26...

I heard an interview with Ewing - he said something like that is a this years schedule was good for this current Georgetown team. He seemed well aware that it was very weak.
Patrick seems to be in charge. He certainly seems competent

Quote from: we are sju on January 10, 2018, 01:16:51 PM

Quote from: fordham96 on January 10, 2018, 01:13:19 PM

Here are Georgetown's wins this year:

Jacksonville, Mt. St. Mary's, MD Eastern Shore, Richmond (road), Maine, Coppin St., Howard, NC A & T, North Texas, Alabama A & M, DePaul and SJU on the road.

That is not a misprint.  With that type of resume so far I think Patrick Ewing is the next Tom Izzo, what do you think?  Although I am not sure they would have beaten MD Eastern Shore without the staff he put together, good thing he hired Louis Orr for that game.  Drew up some unbelievable plays for Govan or else they may have only won by 20 instead of 26...

Who said Tom Izzo. I think people are just saying seems more coach ready then Chris Mullin. Certainly is more engaged. But as some people have noted he was an NBA asst for years, so it shouldn't be a surprise.

I was obviously using hyperbole to make a point.  He has 1 top 100 win so far and that believe it or not is from last night and anyone who saw that game would tell you Dr. Naismith is not clapping after that display.

What in God's name has he done so far to tell you his hire or his way is working anymore than Chris'?  Nothing except an ugly 3 point win in a game his team did everything but give away last night.

And staff.  For crying out loud a decent high school staff with some team managers could win 10 games with that schedule.

Quote from: fordham96 on January 10, 2018, 01:22:32 PM

Quote from: we are sju on January 10, 2018, 01:16:51 PM

Quote from: fordham96 on January 10, 2018, 01:13:19 PM

Here are Georgetown's wins this year:

Jacksonville, Mt. St. Mary's, MD Eastern Shore, Richmond (road), Maine, Coppin St., Howard, NC A & T, North Texas, Alabama A & M, DePaul and SJU on the road.

That is not a misprint.  With that type of resume so far I think Patrick Ewing is the next Tom Izzo, what do you think?  Although I am not sure they would have beaten MD Eastern Shore without the staff he put together, good thing he hired Louis Orr for that game.  Drew up some unbelievable plays for Govan or else they may have only won by 20 instead of 26...

Who said Tom Izzo. I think people are just saying seems more coach ready then Chris Mullin. Certainly is more engaged. But as some people have noted he was an NBA asst for years, so it shouldn't be a surprise.

I was obviously using hyperbole to make a point.  He has 1 top 100 win so far and that believe it or not is from last night and anyone who saw that game would tell you Dr. Naismith is not clapping after that display.

What in God's name has he done so far to tell you his hire or his way is working anymore than Chris'?  Nothing except an ugly 3 point win in a game his team did everything but give away last night.

And staff.  For crying out loud a decent high school staff with some team managers could win 10 games with that schedule.

Just saying long way from saying someone is a better coach than Mullin to Tom Izzo.

Can't speak for anyone else but my only point is that Ewing seems much more involved. Obviously not in the huddle and he could be talking gobbidy gook, but he does seem more in tuned with everything. Even if that is only an impression, I think that kind of demeanor would have bought Chris Mullin more goodwill. BTW I can't believe I just typed Chris Mullin needs more goodwill from ST John's fans.

Quote from: Johnny23 on January 10, 2018, 01:19:49 PM

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Patrick and staff in Year 1 are way ahead of Mullin and staff in Year 3. Patrick gets it and isn't afraid to ream a guy out if he makes a mistake. His staff is also heavy on experience. Some key differences.

Patrick took over an established/relevant Big East program. Mullin has more work to do but its heading in the right direction. He is running an NBA style system. We don't have the horses for that and unfortunately I don't believe he is comfortable running anything else. That's where his in-experience hurts. He is to reliant on the horses, but they are coming even though we continue to struggle. 

I disagree, Georgetown was in the midst of a significant fade for a few years under JTIII. 

BTW-I don't think either one has proven squat, all Patrick has proven is he can beat a lot of really bad teams.  Not sure why anyone feels the need to praise Patrick at the expense of Chris, neither has proven anything.

This. G'town hasn't been a relevant program in at least 5 years and closer to 10.

What is our relevancy clock at currently?

Quote from: we are sju on January 10, 2018, 01:33:42 PM

Quote from: fordham96 on January 10, 2018, 01:22:32 PM

Quote from: we are sju on January 10, 2018, 01:16:51 PM

Quote from: fordham96 on January 10, 2018, 01:13:19 PM

Here are Georgetown's wins this year:

Jacksonville, Mt. St. Mary's, MD Eastern Shore, Richmond (road), Maine, Coppin St., Howard, NC A & T, North Texas, Alabama A & M, DePaul and SJU on the road.

That is not a misprint.  With that type of resume so far I think Patrick Ewing is the next Tom Izzo, what do you think?  Although I am not sure they would have beaten MD Eastern Shore without the staff he put together, good thing he hired Louis Orr for that game.  Drew up some unbelievable plays for Govan or else they may have only won by 20 instead of 26...

Who said Tom Izzo. I think people are just saying seems more coach ready then Chris Mullin. Certainly is more engaged. But as some people have noted he was an NBA asst for years, so it shouldn't be a surprise.

I was obviously using hyperbole to make a point.  He has 1 top 100 win so far and that believe it or not is from last night and anyone who saw that game would tell you Dr. Naismith is not clapping after that display.

What in God's name has he done so far to tell you his hire or his way is working anymore than Chris'?  Nothing except an ugly 3 point win in a game his team did everything but give away last night.

And staff.  For crying out loud a decent high school staff with some team managers could win 10 games with that schedule.

Just saying long way from saying someone is a better coach than Mullin to Tom Izzo.

Can't speak for anyone else but my only point is that Ewing seems much more involved. Obviously not in the huddle and he could be talking gobbidy gook, but he does seem more in tuned with everything. Even if that is only an impression, I think that kind of demeanor would have bought Chris Mullin more goodwill. BTW I can't believe I just typed Chris Mullin needs more goodwill from ST John's fans.

Again I answered that I was using hyperbole for crying out loud.

And no I don't think demeanor means squat.  Georgetown's staff has proven nothing and they will be near the bottom of the BE this year and that is OK because they are projected to be bad.  Time will tell on their staff.

And staff.  For crying out loud a decent high school staff with some team managers could win 10 games with that schedule.

Quote from: fordham96 on January 10, 2018, 01:22:32 PM

And staff.  For crying out loud a decent high school staff with some team managers could win 10 games with that schedule.

That is not the point and you know it...

Ewing started his college coaching career by surrounding himself with some people with deep experience at the college level. It is the opposite of Coach Mullin did.

Quote from: pmg911 on January 10, 2018, 02:15:45 PM

Quote from: fordham96 on January 10, 2018, 01:22:32 PM

And staff.  For crying out loud a decent high school staff with some team managers could win 10 games with that schedule.

That is not the point and you know it...

Ewing started his college coaching career by surrounding himself with some people with deep experience at the college level. It is the opposite of Coach Mullin did.

You really think Louis Orr is a bigger name in college hoops than Slice?

Quote from: Amaseinyourface2 on January 10, 2018, 02:28:49 PM

Quote from: pmg911 on January 10, 2018, 02:15:45 PM

Quote from: fordham96 on January 10, 2018, 01:22:32 PM

And staff.  For crying out loud a decent high school staff with some team managers could win 10 games with that schedule.

That is not the point and you know it...

Ewing started his college coaching career by surrounding himself with some people with deep experience at the college level. It is the opposite of Coach Mullin did.

You really think Louis Orr is a bigger name in college hoops than Slice?

Orr is Ewing's bench coach with experience that everyone has been harping about for 3 years. I do not think Slice was ever supposed to be that.

Quote from: pmg911 on January 10, 2018, 02:15:45 PM

Quote from: fordham96 on January 10, 2018, 01:22:32 PM

And staff.  For crying out loud a decent high school staff with some team managers could win 10 games with that schedule.

That is not the point and you know it...

Ewing started his college coaching career by surrounding himself with some people with deep experience at the college level. It is the opposite of Coach Mullin did.

You really think Louis Orr is a bigger name in college hoops than Slice?

Quote from: Amaseinyourface2 on January 10, 2018, 02:28:49 PM

Quote from: pmg911 on January 10, 2018, 02:15:45 PM

Quote from: fordham96 on January 10, 2018, 01:22:32 PM

And staff.  For crying out loud a decent high school staff with some team managers could win 10 games with that schedule.

That is not the point and you know it...

Ewing started his college coaching career by surrounding himself with some people with deep experience at the college level. It is the opposite of Coach Mullin did.

You really think Louis Orr is a bigger name in college hoops than Slice?

As a coach, definitely,  as a bag man probably not.

Quote from: we are sju on January 10, 2018, 02:32:55 PM

Quote from: Amaseinyourface2 on January 10, 2018, 02:28:49 PM

Quote from: pmg911 on January 10, 2018, 02:15:45 PM

Quote from: fordham96 on January 10, 2018, 01:22:32 PM

And staff.  For crying out loud a decent high school staff with some team managers could win 10 games with that schedule.

That is not the point and you know it...

Ewing started his college coaching career by surrounding himself with some people with deep experience at the college level. It is the opposite of Coach Mullin did.

You really think Louis Orr is a bigger name in college hoops than Slice?

Orr is Ewing's bench coach with experience that everyone has been harping about for 3 years. I do not think Slice was ever supposed to be that.

I agree but he definitely fits the bill as someone with deep college experience. Where he went wrong was st Jean as his third.

Quote from: austour on January 10, 2018, 02:36:00 PM

Quote from: Amaseinyourface2 on January 10, 2018, 02:28:49 PM

Quote from: pmg911 on January 10, 2018, 02:15:45 PM

Quote from: fordham96 on January 10, 2018, 01:22:32 PM

And staff.  For crying out loud a decent high school staff with some team managers could win 10 games with that schedule.

That is not the point and you know it...

Ewing started his college coaching career by surrounding himself with some people with deep experience at the college level. It is the opposite of Coach Mullin did.

You really think Louis Orr is a bigger name in college hoops than Slice?

As a coach, definitely,  as a bag man probably not.

My point is that everyone including the rest of college b-ball world was exalting mullin and at Johns (something that never happens!)  for hiring slice. Matt came with plenty of experience as well. To say at this point he didn’t go out and hire the right staff seems like revisionist history to me.

Quote from: fordham96 on January 10, 2018, 01:22:32 PM

And staff.  For crying out loud a decent high school staff with some team managers could win 10 games with that schedule.

That is not the point and you know it...

Ewing started his college coaching career by surrounding himself with some people with deep experience at the college level. It is the opposite of Coach Mullin did.

Quote from: pmg911 on January 10, 2018, 02:15:45 PM

Quote from: fordham96 on January 10, 2018, 01:22:32 PM

And staff.  For crying out loud a decent high school staff with some team managers could win 10 games with that schedule.

That is not the point and you know it...

Ewing started his college coaching career by surrounding himself with some people with deep experience at the college level. It is the opposite of Coach Mullin did.

No I don't know it and I don't share your point.

Talk to me in 2-3 years way too early to draw any conclusions over staff 

Hiring Louis Orr proves nothing at this point.  It may well prove to pay dividends but at this point it means nothing.  Georgetown is going nowhere this year with or without Orr.

Give Mullin their roster and their schedule and I don't see a difference with Georgetown's record.  And yet you are drawing these conclusions now as opposed to 3 years from now.

That is the point, don't tell me what I should know

Quote from: Amaseinyourface2 on January 10, 2018, 02:35:35 PM

Quote from: we are sju on January 10, 2018, 02:32:55 PM

Quote from: Amaseinyourface2 on January 10, 2018, 02:28:49 PM

Quote from: pmg911 on January 10, 2018, 02:15:45 PM

Quote from: fordham96 on January 10, 2018, 01:22:32 PM

And staff.  For crying out loud a decent high school staff with some team managers could win 10 games with that schedule.

That is not the point and you know it...

Ewing started his college coaching career by surrounding himself with some people with deep experience at the college level. It is the opposite of Coach Mullin did.

You really think Louis Orr is a bigger name in college hoops than Slice?

Orr is Ewing's bench coach with experience that everyone has been harping about for 3 years. I do not think Slice was ever supposed to be that.

I agree but he definitely fits the bill as someone with deep college experience. Where he went wrong was st Jean as his third.

Third? Who is first?
You really see us going 7-7?

Quote from: fordham96 on January 10, 2018, 02:47:47 PM

Quote from: pmg911 on January 10, 2018, 02:15:45 PM

Quote from: fordham96 on January 10, 2018, 01:22:32 PM

And staff.  For crying out loud a decent high school staff with some team managers could win 10 games with that schedule.

That is not the point and you know it...

Ewing started his college coaching career by surrounding himself with some people with deep experience at the college level. It is the opposite of Coach Mullin did.

No I don't know it and I don't share your point.

Talk to me in 2-3 years way too early to draw any conclusions over staff 

Hiring Louis Orr proves nothing at this point.  It may well prove to pay dividends but at this point it means nothing.  Georgetown is going nowhere this year with or without Orr.

Give Mullin their roster and their schedule and I don't see a difference with Georgetown's record.  And yet you are drawing these conclusions now as opposed to 3 years from now.

That is the point, don't tell me what I should know

So your argument is you can't call anything anything until it plays itself out in 2 or 3 years? So if the Giants hire a guy off the street to coach them if it works out great it was a good hire and if it doesn't it was a bad hire?
Not sure life  works that way. You can describe something by the facts you have at that moment in time. Is it possible to be proven wrong, sure. But I would call Orr hire better than ST Jean hire.

Quote from: Amaseinyourface2 on January 10, 2018, 02:28:49 PM

Quote from: pmg911 on January 10, 2018, 02:15:45 PM

Quote from: fordham96 on January 10, 2018, 01:22:32 PM

And staff.  For crying out loud a decent high school staff with some team managers could win 10 games with that schedule.

That is not the point and you know it...

Ewing started his college coaching career by surrounding himself with some people with deep experience at the college level. It is the opposite of Coach Mullin did.

You really think Louis Orr is a bigger name in college hoops than Slice?

Orr is Ewing's bench coach with experience that everyone has been harping about for 3 years. I do not think Slice was ever supposed to be that.

Quote from: we are sju on January 10, 2018, 02:52:48 PM

Quote from: fordham96 on January 10, 2018, 02:47:47 PM

Quote from: pmg911 on January 10, 2018, 02:15:45 PM

Quote from: fordham96 on January 10, 2018, 01:22:32 PM

And staff.  For crying out loud a decent high school staff with some team managers could win 10 games with that schedule.

That is not the point and you know it...

Ewing started his college coaching career by surrounding himself with some people with deep experience at the college level. It is the opposite of Coach Mullin did.

No I don't know it and I don't share your point.

Talk to me in 2-3 years way too early to draw any conclusions over staff 

Hiring Louis Orr proves nothing at this point.  It may well prove to pay dividends but at this point it means nothing.  Georgetown is going nowhere this year with or without Orr.

Give Mullin their roster and their schedule and I don't see a difference with Georgetown's record.  And yet you are drawing these conclusions now as opposed to 3 years from now.

That is the point, don't tell me what I should know

So your argument is you can't call anything anything until it plays itself out in 2 or 3 years? So if the Giants hire a guy off the street to coach them if it works out great it was a good hire and if it doesn't it was a bad hire?
Not sure life  works that way. You can describe something by the facts you have at that moment in time. Is it possible to be proven wrong, sure. But I would call Orr hire better than ST Jean hire.

No that's not my point.  If Georgetown was doing something exceptional this year in recruting or on the court or both then you may be able to draw an early conclusion or something.  But short of that no. Not really.

Bottom line is Ewing is doing with a decent roster and God awful schedule what any decent competent coach, say former HM assistant would do.  So what. I could name dozens of nameless coaches who would have the same record.