Xavier Game 2

Quote from: survivedc on January 30, 2018, 10:44:24 PM

Don't know how people could say that is Mullin at the end. 4 missed free throws? I'm sure they told them to give ponds the ball but he was well covered and didn't get it...

I say this is Mullin, because even with missed free throws, which is part of game, they had multiple opportunities to win, and do not know how.  There is zero offensive play execution because guys do not know what to do.  They have no one to turn to on the coaching staff that can draw a play to get the guys in position to make a play in crunch time.  The opposing coaches have made a living beating us in crunch time with adjustments, and not a hard one.  Take the ball out of Ponds hand.  Easy enough, when 4 guys stand around and teams can double team ponds.  Without Lovett, no one can make a play because A, they are not good enough, and B, there are no plays to help Ponds get open.

This is not rocket science. These guys have been playing the game from the schoolyard or grammar school to the present - let's say 10 to 40 years including coaches. The game doesn't change. The plays are the same. Why do we look like we just picked up a ball for the first time.

Quote from: rdstr25 on January 30, 2018, 10:51:10 PM

Quote from: survivedc on January 30, 2018, 10:44:24 PM

Don't know how people could say that is Mullin at the end. 4 missed free throws? I'm sure they told them to give ponds the ball but he was well covered and didn't get it...

I say this is Mullin, because even with missed free throws, which is part of game, they had multiple opportunities to win, and do not know how.  There is zero offensive play execution because guys do not know what to do.  They have no one to turn to on the coaching staff that can draw a play to get the guys in position to make a play in crunch time.  The opposing coaches have made a living beating us in crunch time with adjustments, and not a hard one.  Take the ball out of Ponds hand.  Easy enough, when 4 guys stand around and teams can double team ponds.  Without Lovett, no one can make a play because A, they are not good enough, and B, there are no plays to help Ponds get open.

This is not rocket science. These guys have been playing the game from the schoolyard or grammar school to the present - let's say 10 to 40 years including coaches. The game doesn't change. The plays are the same. Why do we look like we just picked up a ball for the first time.

Clearly it is rocket science for Mullin as all he needed to do was have his team run an offensive set with a little over a minute left last night and good things would've happened. The game was tied and was there for the taking. Either a Ponds drive and foul or a make. Clearly Xavier couldn't stop Ponds all night so why play right into Xavier's hands there and not attack or how about just running your offense? Instead Mullin has Ponds isolate at the top of the key and hold the ball for 20+ seconds before even looking to make a move which resulted in more dipshittery and a shot clock violation. Total lack of coaching there. Biddy ball stuff.

Positives - crowd was outstanding.  Kids left it all on the floor and have NOT thrown in the towel (I was afraid of this based on the Butler game).  Marvin Clark showed he can rebound and did.  Shamorie played well even banged up.

Xavier St Johns recap http://www.bigeastboards.com/

We dont know how to finish games. These games are very close against top competition. Furthermore,  we are a lot better than year 1 ,despite the same record.  Goal tending, travelling, shot clock violation and missed free throws cost us the game, not Mullin.  That said, we can use an experienced coach for the staff.  Lets hope we dont loose any core players this year and can take a big step foward next year.

We dont know how to finish games. These games are very close against top competition. Furthermore,  we are a lot better than year 1 ,despite the same record.  Goal tending, travelling, shot clock violation and missed free throws cost us the game, not Mullin.  That said, we can use an experienced coach for the staff.  Lets hope we dont loose any core players this year and can take a big step foward next year.

Experienced coaching doesn't solve these problems.  Having players does.  We lost to a number six team by a handful of points. 

Was Lovett there last night?

Quote from: ras on January 31, 2018, 11:03:16 AM

We dont know how to finish games. These games are very close against top competition. Furthermore,  we are a lot better than year 1 ,despite the same record.  Goal tending, travelling, shot clock violation and missed free throws cost us the game, not Mullin.  That said, we can use an experienced coach for the staff.  Lets hope we dont loose any core players this year and can take a big step foward next year.

Experienced coaching doesn't solve these problems.  Having players does.  We lost to a number six team by a handful of points. 

Why don’t we have players? Sima is starting for a tournament team? Ellison left, sitting out. Williams left, not even playing. The German and Italian quit school. Lovett quit the team.
This guy get a pass because everyone he recuits quits on him so he can’t field a full team?

Quote from: newsman13 on January 31, 2018, 11:07:14 AM

Quote from: ras on January 31, 2018, 11:03:16 AM

We dont know how to finish games. These games are very close against top competition. Furthermore,  we are a lot better than year 1 ,despite the same record.  Goal tending, travelling, shot clock violation and missed free throws cost us the game, not Mullin.  That said, we can use an experienced coach for the staff.  Lets hope we dont loose any core players this year and can take a big step foward next year.

Experienced coaching doesn't solve these problems.  Having players does.  We lost to a number six team by a handful of points. 

Why don’t we have players? Sima is starting for a tournament team? Ellison left, sitting out. Williams left, not even playing. The German and Italian quit school. Lovett quit the team.
This guy get a pass because everyone he recuits quits on him so he can’t field a full team?

This is the last year he's getting a free pass from me. 

Quote from: ras on January 31, 2018, 11:03:16 AM

We dont know how to finish games. These games are very close against top competition. Furthermore,  we are a lot better than year 1 ,despite the same record.  Goal tending, travelling, shot clock violation and missed free throws cost us the game, not Mullin.  That said, we can use an experienced coach for the staff.  Lets hope we dont loose any core players this year and can take a big step foward next year.

Experienced coaching doesn't solve these problems.  Having players does.  We lost to a number six team by a handful of points. 

Quote from: TONYD3 on January 31, 2018, 11:27:30 AM

Quote from: newsman13 on January 31, 2018, 11:07:14 AM

Quote from: ras on January 31, 2018, 11:03:16 AM

We dont know how to finish games. These games are very close against top competition. Furthermore,  we are a lot better than year 1 ,despite the same record.  Goal tending, travelling, shot clock violation and missed free throws cost us the game, not Mullin.  That said, we can use an experienced coach for the staff.  Lets hope we dont loose any core players this year and can take a big step foward next year.

Experienced coaching doesn't solve these problems.  Having players does.  We lost to a number six team by a handful of points. 

Why don’t we have players? Sima is starting for a tournament team? Ellison left, sitting out. Williams left, not even playing. The German and Italian quit school. Lovett quit the team.
This guy get a pass because everyone he recuits quits on him so he can’t field a full team?

This is the last year he's getting a free pass from me. 

I am with you Krusty.
I would never go full on crazy and keep posting the same thing every 5 mins, but if not big turn around next year he should go.

Quote from: newsman13 on January 31, 2018, 11:07:14 AM

Quote from: ras on January 31, 2018, 11:03:16 AM

We dont know how to finish games. These games are very close against top competition. Furthermore,  we are a lot better than year 1 ,despite the same record.  Goal tending, travelling, shot clock violation and missed free throws cost us the game, not Mullin.  That said, we can use an experienced coach for the staff.  Lets hope we dont loose any core players this year and can take a big step foward next year.

Experienced coaching doesn't solve these problems.  Having players does.  We lost to a number six team by a handful of points. 

Why don’t we have players? Sima is starting for a tournament team? Ellison left, sitting out. Williams left, not even playing. The German and Italian quit school. Lovett quit the team.
This guy get a pass because everyone he recuits quits on him so he can’t field a full team?

OK State is not a tournament team, they are 13-9, 8th in Big 12. Sima has started 8 games for them averaging less minutes and points than he did here. Would have been nice if he and other stayed (esp. Ellison) but lets not act like some of these guys left and had their potential unlocked for great teams.

Quote from: TONYD3 on January 31, 2018, 11:27:30 AM

Quote from: newsman13 on January 31, 2018, 11:07:14 AM

Quote from: ras on January 31, 2018, 11:03:16 AM

We dont know how to finish games. These games are very close against top competition. Furthermore,  we are a lot better than year 1 ,despite the same record.  Goal tending, travelling, shot clock violation and missed free throws cost us the game, not Mullin.  That said, we can use an experienced coach for the staff.  Lets hope we dont loose any core players this year and can take a big step foward next year.

Experienced coaching doesn't solve these problems.  Having players does.  We lost to a number six team by a handful of points. 

Why don’t we have players? Sima is starting for a tournament team? Ellison left, sitting out. Williams left, not even playing. The German and Italian quit school. Lovett quit the team.
This guy get a pass because everyone he recuits quits on him so he can’t field a full team?

OK State is not a tournament team, they are 13-9, 8th in Big 12. Sima has started 8 games for them averaging less minutes and points than he did here. Would have been nice if he and other stayed (esp. Ellison) but lets not act like some of these guys left and had their potential unlocked for great teams.

Funny I had forgotten all about Sima. One day last week I shut off my TV to go to work while watching Boomer and Gio. Later that night when I got home I put on my TV and OK State was playing. I was only half paying attention and saw a guy get called fro traveling on awkward post move. I said to myself, that guy stinks. Then the announcer said his name.

We play 7 kids with man to man defense for almost 40 minutes and people are shocked that we miss free throws at the end of games?

There was a reason I was negative for the first time since the Norm days this summer. How does anyone win with this roster? College basketball is a guards game. You need 4-5 minimum. We have maaaaaaybe two. I'm bullish on next season so long as we don't lose more than two kids and Ponds stays. We will have the #1 turnaround in the country and Mullin will be getting more good press than we've seen on 25 years.

We play 7 kids with man to man defense for almost 40 minutes and people are shocked that we miss free throws at the end of games?

There was a reason I was negative for the first time since the Norm days this summer. How does anyone win with this roster? College basketball is a guards game. You need 4-5 minimum. We have maaaaaaybe two. I'm bullish on next season so long as we don't lose more than two kids and Ponds stays. We will have the #1 turnaround in the country and Mullin will be getting more good press than we've seen on 25 years.

I was livid last offseason. The 2017 recruiting class was a absolute failure and is a huge reason for our struggles. We gambled on the slimmest margin of error and it blew up in our faces-

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/4278403/hasahn-french

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/4277869/jose-alvarado

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/4277967/isaiah-washington

http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/sports/college/story/2018/jan/25/vols-freshmforward-derrick-walker-takes-advan/462069/

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/66947/nura-zanna

Quote from: ras on January 31, 2018, 11:03:16 AM

We dont know how to finish games. These games are very close against top competition. Furthermore,  we are a lot better than year 1 ,despite the same record.  Goal tending, travelling, shot clock violation and missed free throws cost us the game, not Mullin.  That said, we can use an experienced coach for the staff.  Lets hope we dont loose any core players this year and can take a big step foward next year.

Experienced coaching doesn't solve these problems.  Having players does.  We lost to a number six team by a handful of points.

. . . due to poor execution in crunch time.  Work me up in a lather, rinse me with IPA and repeat next game.  I don't doubt that there are some issues with players but they look like they have not been shown what to do in end game situations at all.  Same mistakes every game.  That's a preparation issue, either bad preparation or insufficient preparation.  Both are coaching issues.

Quote from: newsman13 on January 31, 2018, 11:07:14 AM

Quote from: ras on January 31, 2018, 11:03:16 AM

We dont know how to finish games. These games are very close against top competition. Furthermore,  we are a lot better than year 1 ,despite the same record.  Goal tending, travelling, shot clock violation and missed free throws cost us the game, not Mullin.  That said, we can use an experienced coach for the staff.  Lets hope we dont loose any core players this year and can take a big step foward next year.

Experienced coaching doesn't solve these problems.  Having players does.  We lost to a number six team by a handful of points.

. . . due to poor execution in crunch time.  Work me up in a lather, rinse me with IPA and repeat next game.  I don't doubt that there are some issues with players but they look like they have not been shown what to do in end game situations at all.  Same mistakes every game.  That's a preparation issue, either bad preparation or insufficient preparation.  Both are coaching issues.

You know why you want see good coaches have problems with guys with low basketball IQ's?
They don't recruit them. You think if Ahmed played for Duke he would all of a sudden become Shane Battier?
Same thing in the pros. Why you won't see Michael Beasley(who I really like BTW) ever play on the Spurs.
To get talent at ST john's sometimes have to look the other way at certain things that better programs wouldn't.

Quote from: Marillac on January 31, 2018, 03:11:31 PM

We play 7 kids with man to man defense for almost 40 minutes and people are shocked that we miss free throws at the end of games?

There was a reason I was negative for the first time since the Norm days this summer. How does anyone win with this roster? College basketball is a guards game. You need 4-5 minimum. We have maaaaaaybe two. I'm bullish on next season so long as we don't lose more than two kids and Ponds stays. We will have the #1 turnaround in the country and Mullin will be getting more good press than we've seen on 25 years.

I was livid last offseason. The 2017 recruiting class was a absolute failure and is a huge reason for our struggles. We gambled on the slimmest margin of error and it blew up in our faces-

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/4278403/hasahn-french

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/4277869/jose-alvarado

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/4277967/isaiah-washington

http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/sports/college/story/2018/jan/25/vols-freshmforward-derrick-walker-takes-advan/462069/

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/66947/nura-zanna

As was I, and I got a ton of crap for my negativity. Dixon and Williams gives us 5 guys that can play 1-3. I'd like to see a dump it off type of PG to give this team some structure. I think there are
25 wins out there for next season with a few changes.

Quote from: QuanMan on January 31, 2018, 03:45:50 PM

Quote from: Marillac on January 31, 2018, 03:11:31 PM

We play 7 kids with man to man defense for almost 40 minutes and people are shocked that we miss free throws at the end of games?

There was a reason I was negative for the first time since the Norm days this summer. How does anyone win with this roster? College basketball is a guards game. You need 4-5 minimum. We have maaaaaaybe two. I'm bullish on next season so long as we don't lose more than two kids and Ponds stays. We will have the #1 turnaround in the country and Mullin will be getting more good press than we've seen on 25 years.

I was livid last offseason. The 2017 recruiting class was a absolute failure and is a huge reason for our struggles. We gambled on the slimmest margin of error and it blew up in our faces-

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/4278403/hasahn-french

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/4277869/jose-alvarado

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/4277967/isaiah-washington

http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/sports/college/story/2018/jan/25/vols-freshmforward-derrick-walker-takes-advan/462069/

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/66947/nura-zanna

As was I, and I got a ton of crap for my negativity. Dixon and Williams gives us 5 guys that can play 1-3. I'd like to see a dump it off type of PG to give this team some structure. I think there are
25 wins out there for next season with a few changes.

Take 20 tops

Quote from: Marillac on January 31, 2018, 04:48:37 PM

Quote from: QuanMan on January 31, 2018, 03:45:50 PM

Quote from: Marillac on January 31, 2018, 03:11:31 PM

We play 7 kids with man to man defense for almost 40 minutes and people are shocked that we miss free throws at the end of games?

There was a reason I was negative for the first time since the Norm days this summer. How does anyone win with this roster? College basketball is a guards game. You need 4-5 minimum. We have maaaaaaybe two. I'm bullish on next season so long as we don't lose more than two kids and Ponds stays. We will have the #1 turnaround in the country and Mullin will be getting more good press than we've seen on 25 years.

I was livid last offseason. The 2017 recruiting class was a absolute failure and is a huge reason for our struggles. We gambled on the slimmest margin of error and it blew up in our faces-

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/4278403/hasahn-french

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/4277869/jose-alvarado

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/4277967/isaiah-washington

http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/sports/college/story/2018/jan/25/vols-freshmforward-derrick-walker-takes-advan/462069/

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/66947/nura-zanna

As was I, and I got a ton of crap for my negativity. Dixon and Williams gives us 5 guys that can play 1-3. I'd like to see a dump it off type of PG to give this team some structure. I think there are
25 wins out there for next season with a few changes.

Take 20

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